@@canatolakhoemini6728 but it is the most reliable vehicle? First gen is basically a tacoma with a v8, Goldilocks size. There’s a reason why they are in such demand and people want them for their off road builds. Gotta respect your elders.
V8 Tundra: "Oh, that V6TT is pretty damn strong..." Also V8 Tundra: "... wait, I'm a V8..." [starts dragging the V6TT] The old school V8 Tundra still has the end torque and power past the initial ratings, so while the V6TT kept up well, in the end, that brawny V8 ended up pulling, and pulling hard.
Wasn’t the engine it was the gear ratio. I also saw a tundra out pull an f250. These tests don’t mean shit because it’s all about who loses traction first.
@@18HunnidBK good thing I got the 2018! I had a 2008 as well, Why would Toyota remove the transmission coolers?… I saw a video saying they removed it because Toyota tundra does good without it?… more like going cheaper and save $$$.
I've only experienced it in two loaner Tundras from the dealership and I agree, it's great. The 4.0L v6 feels almost just as fast on my Tacoma, but the 5.7 has an incredible launch if you know how to put it down.
The old Tundra rolled the new one because it has a much better gear ratio. 4:3 for the old one compared to 3:31. It had a heavy duty ratio for massive pulling power.
Yea but can get used low mile one for 35-45k not sure what the new one costs but definitely allot more and I'd take the 5.7 over a v6 any day depends on what's more important to you I keep my trucks till 300k miles + and use for work so to me its a no brainer old one all day long may5im.wrong but no way a ttv6 is outlasting the 5.7 but to each his own
They were both spinning to their heart’s content… power had nothing to do with it The truck with the larger tires squeaked out a touch more traction, that’s ALL this proved . Put them in 4wd with similar tires on the 22 and that will give you actual results.
I'm pretty sure the 2022 went through a weight loss program from 2021 as well. Between the turbo v6 and more aluminum panels leaving even more of a disadvantage on tire grip. Not always, but a V6 typically has less low-end power and torque that a V8 does which can make a difference
@@keinanvivian4089 they weigh just about the same. But the 22 clocks in almost 100 pounds heavier. So I doubt weight is an issue. And regardless of weight or where the power is, it's traction that matters. Plenty of videos of the science of how dumb this test is. It proves nothing. It's to do dumb things because we can, not because it proves anything.
@@jkfox88 appreciate the response man. I haven't read in very much about the new Toyotas. Just speculating additional factors based on the trend that other manufacturers have done already. And you're right, at the end of the day, friction is your friend when you do these kinds of things. I remember Engineering Explained doing a video talking about an F150 and a Tesla Cybertruck doing this exact thing on video. And why it proves nothing. If you haven't seen it, check it out. Proves both of our points. Anyways, way off topic. And not much point in going on with this. I don't own or plan to own a Toyota. Happy with the new truck I have now. Thank you for correcting me on the 2022 info. Appreciate your input
@@keinanvivian4089 solid discourse! Enjoy your trucks. I love Toyota but I'm not feeling good about new vehicles at all right now. We are in a transition period with mandates coming for a move to all electric in the next 25ish years. I just want the hybrid epa consumption number. 👊
Agree. When I saw the tire marks i was like 🤔 🤭😀but the ‘22 had skinnier tires. If that’s the case the 21 would have better traction to pull. Would love to see a rematch with at least same tire width.
@@rebelcitysports1outlook186 but the new one is a v6 twin Turbo + Is electric motors a hybrid system Doesn't that combine with the electric motor have more torque
@@rebelcitysports1outlook186 honestly, the best thing about 8 and 10 speed transmissions is that they can have a much lower first gear than the old 6 speed could have ever dreamed of. This allows for a taller final drive ratio (3.31 instead of 4.30) to maximize fuel economy, without killing Low end power. So, while the newer truck may have a taller final drive, I'm betting it actually has a better first gear crawl ratio than the old truck with the 4.30s. Meaning, it'll put power to the ground more efficiently. Also, the older truck had aftermarket wheels and tires (probably wider and taller, so more grip than the factory trash tires in the new truck. So, I short, tug of wars don't mean shit. You could put a little 20hp tractor on the other end and with the right gearing and traction, it would have drug either truck around all day without sweating.
@@hunterdan2002 yup, i checked the numbers a while back when they were released. The new truck does have more aggressive lower gears while still having better overdrive gears for highway fuel economy. People use rear end (3.31 vs 4.30) to insinuate it's not as good, but forget about what the transmission does for them.
@@rebelcitysports1outlook186 honestly it really does, more than the v8 in fact. many ppl who have driven the 22 have noted that there is literally no delay or turbo lag for the torque to kick in. 479 ft lbs in the new one vs only 401 in the old one plus it has a 10 speed with short ratios so theres no need for a 4.30
Put 500lbs in the bed if one and it will always win. Its about the amount if wieght over the drive axel. The 22 has a composite bed so its lighter. Expected outcome
Yet the Tundras with the iFORCE V8 usually win these types of battles, and against all trucks. Same outcome vs a bigger heavier and more powerful Ford F-250 Super Duty. 🤷🏻♂️ Tires definitely don’t make the difference. Give credit where it’s due.
What I've found is most all brands will sell their brand new vehicles with the "cheapest" crappiest tires only for the buyer to change them out years, maybe months later. I bought my '10 dakota (3.7l v6, rwd) in '13 with 21k miles (sold her so my family could afford moving from OR to AZ). Not long after did I replace the Goodyear wrangler SRAs with bridgestone revo 2s, those were some fun tires and were definitely more capable tires year-round. :)
About a month ago I traded my 2020 Tundra with 119,000 miles on it for a2023. Pretty close on the truck to truck pull but towing 6 days a week like I do there is no comparison. The 2023 handles my trailers much better . Not as much downshift and the electronics for towing really helps. Not much difference in the fuel mileage towing but a couple miles per gallon empty. Spent an extra 3500 dollars and bought a 150,000 mile Toyota extended warranty. Peace of mind for a long time. Also had one on my 2020 model. Most everywhere I go I get compliments on the new body style. A long needed change.
@@CaptainFALKEN I understand that but when the the 2022 Frontier has the best engine (I believe) in class, that 439 HP hybrid in the 2022 Tundra would absolutely be a "world beater" then in a Tacoma.
Diff ratio only tells half the story. Combined with he 1st gear ratio in that 6 speed and Tundra actually has the worst final drive / torque multiplication of any half ton. Makes it all the funnier when folks get so excited about the 4.30:1 axle.
Combined final drive of the new tundra (transmission first gear and diff gearing) is probably much better for pulling than the old tundra. Diff gearing is only half the equation, first gear in the transmission is just as, if not more important.
I'm 25 and had 12 vehicles in the passed 6 years. I'm used to 60s-70s muscle cars and trucks. Bad gas? Doesn't matter. I work hard and pay for that $#!7 gladly. Somebody looking my way at the gas station isn't going to offend me.
It's amazing how many people don't understand that the weight, type of tire, type of differential and stance are really the only factors that make the difference. Power is less important than all of these.
I own 2018 1794 edition. These new ones will never replace that V8 grunt. Also does anyone else feel like the the new body style looks too try hard? The old gen has a classy timeless body style with sharp lines that work. New truck is trying TOO HARD
@@himanshusud1047 nothing to do with that either. Obviously both trucks tires are spinning so there’s plenty of horsepower and torque. It’s just a gimmick.
So glad I purchased a 2021 in March. I love my Tundra, my 4th Toyota Truck and they have all been great trouble free workhorses. I knew that Turbo V-6 was not going to match that 5.7. Thanks for posting
not sure what engine they had would have made a difference here? both were spinning their tires so they both had lots of horsepower to break traction. It was about weight and tire not about engine size. A better comparison would be loading them up with the same amount of weight and doing a drag race.
I’d say we have two different size tires and they were on different surfaces. Also, traction control is on by default and therefore should be left on for a fair comparison.
Great Video I remembered when I first got my 2007 Tundra I tolerated slot of nayers until it pulled that space shuttle then things change now I see the Nayers driving the the Big TOY...
Well put those turbo in the V8 or install a supercharge in the V8 than the 22 aint nothing i will stick with the old mod...I drive a 2019 tundra and its a beat thinking about installing a supercharger in it...
Both of those trucks are insane! Toyota builds a symphony of premium parts that crescendo into a masterpiece the low and mid-grade trucks can only fantasize about.
@@paulchalos8502 your ram only wins to the junkyard lol. Not even American any longer. Owned and produced by fiat. Dodge is the worst car manufacturer that has been bailed out twice and now 3 times with their new partnership. Meanwhile Toyota dwarfs every other manufacturer. There is a reason Toyota is the biggest company.
@@palmermadson9222 Is that sarcasm? On a scale of 1 to 100; ford=28, Nissan=52, GM=58, Fiat=63, Toyota=114. In terms of quality, dependability, reliability and usability. Of course if you're talking about cuteness or gimmicks then that's a different scale
Nothin like a natty aspirated 5.7L V8 that can do the job. One thing to take in mind that the 22 Tundra had an advantage because it was 4x4 while the old gen tundra was 4x2 rwd. This goes to show don’t mess with a V8 😤
if you think the engine had anything to do with this test then you are incredibly unintelligent. They were both in 2wd, the new tundra is lighter with smaller tires (by the looks of it, the older tundra had aftermarket tires). The engine doesn't decide these tug of wars, rather weight and traction. Both trucks were spinning their tires so both had adequate torque and horsepower, it came down to weight and tires.
@@shawng6415 We dont know for sure.. Probably yes. I have a 2019 trd sport it is my second tundra and i love it but i am deff going to look at the new hybrids for sure
I have my 2023 Capstone ordered and ready to trade my 2016 Platinum in. This video makes me worried. But then I remember how many times I actually took my tundra off road - once, and played tug of war - 0 times…. I think I’ll be happy driving in the luxury.
Tires and weight are the only things that matter if both trucks are strong enough to spin the tires. This says almost nothing about either truck except that one had more grip than the other for some reason
@@chainringcalf a big factor is the height of the tow point. The 21 lifted the rear end of the 22 causing it to lose traction and added traction to the 21.
TFL is full of it unless their video was old. I have seen 4-5 of them on the streets here already and the dealer has a 2wd access cab SR on the lot currently
