First Tow - Did Toyota Really Improve the New 2022 Tundra By Replacing The V8 With a V6 Twin Turbo? 

Thank you for thinking about our family jewels.

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I think you should have used the same trailer for both trucks, so it would be a fair test... Semi Disappointed, but I love the video... definitely a like!

Since the turbo V6 has a water to air intercooler, you guys should hook up a phone type OBD2 scanner (Blue Driver) that shows LIVE DATA so we can see how hot the intake charge gets during the Ike Gauntlet Tow Test? Water to air intercoolers tend to not be that efficient for continuous loads unless they were able to fit a really large heat exchanger for it. It would be nice to see if what Toyota installed is BIG enough to keep the intake cooler without a front mount intercooler.

Sponsored tests are flawed guys c’mon. You know better.

Well well find out as soon as the new v6 tundra gets out and these guys get one

That and giving the new Tundra the more aerodynamic trailer 🤨

Also, new Tundra is double cab based on length of rear door we can see, while v8 was much heavier crewmax

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Looks like that v6 turbo isn’t living up to the hype wonder why that sticker was ripped? And why didn’t they use the same trailer. I’ll keep my v8 Toyota I think u messed up

That trailer is a 2018 Gulfstream Innsbruck Superlight. Weighs in at 5,350 lbs with hitch.

@@TheAlphapuck5280 My 2013 F150 3.7V6 can tow that.

@@elvism684 Did anyone say it couldnt? Its not wise for any manufacture to attach a trailer that is almost at max capacity to test the difference between 2 generations. You put a middle of the road, average trailer on and then let the consumer (who if buying a half ton truck doesn't tow more than 7500 lbs normally) feel the difference. Your statement was a waste of your own time and a waste of my time reiterating how your comment was a waste of time.

Let’s also not forget they put the inherently more aerodynamic trailer on the new truck and the boxier trailer on the old truck, and the old boxier trailer just so happens to be missing the sticker. I would have turned around to whoever provided you this setup and said, this isn’t a fair comparison, call us back out when it is.

@@SniperPilotX My thoughts exactly. As soon as I saw that I thought... No point in watching this video.

I rented a ‘20 F150 5.0L 10spd last year. It was very fast - I was taken by surprise, wow. I did test a friend’s eco boost to tow his boat (he let me drive) and back it into water. That engine was very strong down low but he said it got worse mpg overall than V8 (he had a 5.0L prior). He sold the eco boost and drives a Ram 5.7L and loves it.

Ford had V6 only for 2 years before they brought back the V8 as an option most likely from customer demand. The '14 and '15 model year F150 only had V6. Toyota will probably follow.

@@danc1197 Ford never stopped selling the v8. My in-laws had a 14 5.0. And they did still have it for 15.

I have the 2022 1794 and love it!

Guarantee it weighs 1500 lbs more than the new one.

It’s a big conspiracy 🤣😂

Having pulled trailers for 30 years, the non air stream is not 1500 lbs heavier. We have no idea what is inside the trailers, or what the total gvrw is. That is the problem. When setting up a comp test, you must be totally transparent. Length and trailer shape are every bit as important to how a trailer tows, as is tongue weight. I have owned 5000 lb trailers that tow like trailers weighing 7000 lb because of shape and balance. It is a horribly designed comp test. I would even call it dishonest, and blatantly so.

Yeah I bet the old truck would out perform with a 10 speed

I’m guessing Nathan and the other guy are paid actors by Toyota what a shame they could have easily hooked up the same trailer smh they’re in on the scam and probably are getting paid for every sale of the new tundras

Plus they are using the lighter quad cab tundra which weighs a lot less than the crew cab version smh 🤦‍♂️

@@jorangel87 I didn't even notice that.

@@jorangel87 dude that had no choice, Toyota literally set it up. As soon as they get their hands on one they will do apples to apples

@@jorangel87 did you not see the other campers with more Toyota tundras? Clearly they have multiple media outlets using these trucks. They don't have time to only have one trailer for both trucks and swap them around and then risk that somebody doesn't hook something up right and cause an accident.

5.7L is a beast, its just awful on gas. Gas is $5/gal these days in some places.

100 percent agree. V6 with twin turbos can produce more horsepower but the reliability will always be a problem. V8 is made for abuse and work.

@@Tankerpaul223 as a truck owner i just accept I'm always paying more at the pump. 1-2 mpg is not going to sell me when we all know ur not going to get that unless ur granny on the peddle.

That transmission in the v8 I'm Texas hills is just brutal though. Especially when you lift it 6 inches and have 35s.

That's what I've been saying forever. Forget small displacement and forced induction. If anything force more air into the big engine to increase it's efficiency. As we all learned with Ford and their engines...either Eco or Boost but not both. I would gladly take the plain Jane v8 for reliability and peace of mind alone.

@@coryernewein The Eco Boost has proven to be as reliable as the V8.

@@nm-qt2hb awesome, can you point me towards the vidjéo of the million mile original ecoboost.

Disagree! In 2017 I needed a truck to tow a travel trailer. I bought the truck first. Being a loyal Toyota fan I was ready to buy a Tundra but my son convinced me to at least look at a Ford F-150 Eco Boost. I test drove the Tundra first and then the Ford. The Ford was clearly more modern, comfortable and capable so I took a chance and bought the Ford. The Ford is now four years old with 48,000 miles on it with 10,000 miles towing a 2019 Lance 1685 trailer that weighs 5,500 pounds fully loaded. The 3.5 twin turbo has proven to be powerful, reliable and very fuel efficient. When towing I get 14 mpg on level ground at 55 mph. When not towing I get between 22 to 27 mpg on the highway (partly because I drive like an old man because I am an old man). I also own a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser that might last forever. If I were to buy a truck today it would be hard to choose between the Ford and Toyota but I would definitely prefer a small twin turbo over a large non-turbo V8.

The v8 is a dinosaur! They were extinct for a reason.

I'm glad Ford created the 10 speed automatic transmission

@@jaunramirez3742 The 10 speed that Ford uses was co-developed between Ford and GM.

From what up seeing I'm glad I purchased a 21 Tundra Pro. I love the truck and in my opinion is all as good as the new one. Maybe a little down on MPGs but the V-8 is much better in my opinion. I saw 19.9 MPG on the new one and if I stay under 65 MPH I am getting 18MPG otherwise I'm getting 16MPG.

@@jaunramirez3742 why.? It's a POS that gets nothing but complaints. I work at a Ford dealer in service. We get transmission issues in daily. The 10R80 is a joke. No pickup truck of any size needs a 10spd transmission, especially a Ford, they can't make anything thats worth a damn anymore, thats why so many techs are leaving. The job security has turned into headache.

@@kirkbrown5346 I bet I'm glad I got a 2004 f150 4.6l v8 very reliable comparing to the newer trucks.

This..they probably ran the test with the old one and it did very well so they are like..shoot we need to change some factors here...

They also would've had somewhat comparably configured trucks. Not a Crewmax 1794 4wd versus (current) a Limited Double Cab 2wd (new). This whole thing is deceptive af by Toyota.

Doubtful. The 3.5 Ecoboost tows much better than the 5.0 V8. The torque curves are drastically different. The 4 extra gears help as well.

@@mikedoyle7020 here’s the facts: The V8 is a heavier truck as it’s the full 4 door and fully loaded. The V8 was pulling a trailer that is a lot less aerodynamic. The V8 was only slightly slower. We don’t know the weight of the trailer the V8 pulled. This was all set up by Toyota who has a HUGE marketing and PR budget and is very aware of everything they do. Knowing these facts I believe the V8 would pull that airstream tied with the V6 or around the same numbers.

Ike Gauntlet tests showed that the new Tundra is better.

Agree 100%. Everyone seems to forget. Mike S. said game changer.... really? Less MPG, Payload and Towing than that of a 2018 F150... disappointing to say the least

What does it need to do to impress you? it's got more power, much better gas mileage, a better interior and exterior, and a higher towing capacity. Did they not deliver on everything everyone wanted? I mean it checked all the boxes across the board... Toyota didn't put this together as a test for collecting official data, don't be an idiot.

I personally don't think that turbo charged V6 or any other will ever out last a naturally aspirated V8.

Turbo v6 versus v8! That’s a no brainer! V8, simpler, doesn’t work as hard!

@@arendbehrens2761 exactly! That axle ratio is going to be a pain in the butt...just like the Tacoma...they slapped 6 gears on the 3.5L and the gear ratio is not compatible...it wont hold gears if you have any extra weight or a small hill or wind. She didnt know what gear she needed to be in. The engine is screamin at the high rpms. So fuel economy still sucks...sooo they are going to put 10 in a Tundra with the 3.5L twin turbo...it will probably never access those gears and it will probably be a gear hunter too..i regeared and tuned the engine on my Tacoma..she actually gets better mileage and the engine doesnt scream as she downshifts etc while going up hills and the important thing...she holds the gear. That screen is incredibly large...like the grille lol...i want to see these guys take it up into the mountains. Toyota is NOT wanting to give out important info which is bizarre...this has to be the longest rollout of a new vehicle. If they were proud of its performance...they would have no issues with letting people take it up hills fully loaded and they definitely wouldnt be ripping weight stickers of a trailer...good grief...

You would know then that GVWR does not equal the trailer weight, just the maximum capacity of the trailer. We don’t know what any of these trailers weigh even if it had an intact sticker.

Turbo engines never last as long as NA V8s.

Can confirm, I have owned both types

Airstream also has independent, dampened suspension.

They are trying to convince people that it will be fine for towing. It’s fairly disingenuous. Not too many experienced towing people are going to deal with a turbo, no less two.

Surface area affects aerodynamics and those aluminum siding panels have a lot of surface area. Had one and now have a much larger smooth fiberglass sided trailer. Much better on a wind day. That said the aerodynamics aren’t going to matter much until highways speeds. I would guess the Airstream weighs a bit more. As a Toyota fan though it’s pretty disappointing a major international corporation couldn’t figure out how to use identical trailers for this.

It sure does

Umm it is a Toyota is will last; Lexus had turbos for years and have ZERO PROBLEMS

@@allentoyokawa9068 This is the first time Toyota has put turbos in a truck.

Yeah same but really we don't know if the V6 is better or not till is out for a few years.

V6 only belongs in a single cab 2wd base model. I don’t care if it has 2 turbos (the impending issues!) it just feels like it’s trying to compensate

I'm definitely keeping my 2018 SR5 4x4 Crewmax. I feel like there will be some buyers remorse in the months to come.

This isn’t new. It’s all manufacturer demo. That’s why u take it with a grain of salt coming to these events

I bet the wind resistance alone cause about 1/2 a second of deficit between the two.

Could also be 7000lbs minus whatever was removed from the inside.

@@zebracobra328 Why would they try to make the older one look better? I think that they probably weigh the same but due to wind resistance the older one has an unfair disadvantage.

That particular model can weight as little as 6300lbs or as much as 7900lbs, which makes a huge difference in 0-60

@@nickloss it weighs 4880 lbs dry Its a 2019 model 255BH

Not just that but the older Crewmax is also 4wd and the new one is 2wd.

@@putmeincoach7663 Good catch! Ad that to the list of blatant dishonesty by Toyota.

@@percivalgooglyeyes6178 This entire test was completely skewed purposely by Toyota. This video should not even be on the internet other than to highlight the deceptive practices of Toyota.

Exactly

@@putmeincoach7663 it’s like comparing tow numbers with a 2wd single cam ram rated at 12,750 vs a crew cab ram 4x4 rated at 8,000 lol what a shame Toyota.

I want a v8 truck. turbos are for diesels.

So you want less hp, less torque, and worse fuel economy? Sure, makes sense...

@@freedomrider266 turbo v6 only do better on paper. in the real world of trucks the v8 is king and will achieve twice the reliability at half the repair cost

“Hiding information from the public”… 🤔 hmmmm, what other group(s) are doing that same thing especially as it pertains to the big \/…

I’ve yet to be convinced the 2022 will actually be an upgrade. Twin turbos on a V-6 makes me nervous (I drive a commercial truck for a living and turbos are not an uncommon or inexpensive part to replace). All the fancy computer gimmicks will be outdated and obsolete before the truck is even a year old. I’m just going to keep driving my 2000 Tundra with its “ancient” 4.7L V-8 and four speed automatic. 215,000 miles and counting. Why mess with what works?

I would as well. I didn't have any engine issues or transmission issues with my 08 5.7L Tundra, just front differential issues with the bearings failing, as well as rear axle bearing failures...twice....covered under warranty....truck rated to tow 10k, couldn't handle towing a 3500 pound ATV trailer/UTV and gear...wasn't impressed with the quality of the build on the 2nd gen Tundras...I actually prefer my grandfather's 1st gen Tundra. My 08 Tundra I sold at 104k about 4 years ago, the 05 Tundra of my grandfather's is still sitting here...had to have the AC repaired in it earlier this year due to a failed AC compressor, but otherwise no mechanical issues, timing belt has been done in it recently as well....last I looked it was at 161k on it.

All day. Less stuff to go wrong. I want a toyota for reliability not max power

Probably in the NDA that they couldn't

The weight doesn't even matter unless you're going up a hill... Airstream has way less drag

That'd be hilarious if they took it to one while doing the test lol

I implied the same thing! Toyota came out to help them so maybe they didn’t want to embarrass Toyota with a weight test and risk losing their support for the channel. It is what it is.

@@johnsteele8073 Weight (actually mass) is critical to acceleration.

Yeah at this point they might as well just replace the whole damn windshield with a giant LCD screen. 🙄

@@Eclipsed_Phoenix Give it time. I'm sure Elon Musk is working on that "feature".

I actually like the bigger screen. Streets on Maps are compressed small.

I thought he was talking about the interface/software.

They don't even have two remotely close configured trucks. The 2021 is a fully loaded 1794 Crewmax 4wd while the 2022 is a Limited Double Cab 2wd. Did they think this deceptive crap was gonna fly with ppl who have watched videos of the 2022 and currently own 3rd gen Tundras?

Problem wasn’t just mpgs. It was EPA. This new era of gassers in trucks now need direct and multi port injection to cut particulate emissions, as well as 4 ...yes 4 catalytic converters. Also needed are EGR coolers (21 F150s have theirs right up front on passenger side where you can see and access it) ...that’s to reduce NOX and other gasses. CO2 is now looked at as the enemy as well...So, in a nutshell, the v8 in its current form would be nothing short of, well, nothing like it was-to meet all the new EPA requirements for gas engines. So they couldn’t just throw one in hooked to a 10-spd and call it a day.

@@natehawkins2910 It's sad what they're doing to the motor industry. Essentially, big gov bureaucrats want us out of our own vehicles entirely. So as usual, they're doing it drip by drip. By the 2010s cars were already 99% less wasteful and polluting than cars in the 1960s. That was just pure developments in technology and customers wanting more efficient engines. Now the EPA are imposing their regulations and it's destroying these cars, and there are few improvements over old standards (and certainly no improvements in pollution reduction or environmental damage with EVs). But that didn't make the federal gov (or China) any money, so they stepped in with this environmental crusade.

@Steven Strain i completely agree that the main reason manufacturers are going to smaller turbo engines is for cost savings. In the short term the V6 might be as reliable as the V8 but that smaller engine getting pushed harder by turbos will not last half as long as the V8. The turbos themselves are not likely to last the lifetime of the engine will probably need replacement 200-250k miles costing $5-10k to replace. Add to all of this that when you work smaller turbod engines hard they get worse fuel economy than their similarly powered NA engine. Though it is cheaper for manufacturers to make, I feel we are receiving a far inferior product. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

​@@g0g0Sutraa turbo replacement is 2k

​@@natehawkins2910they could just keep paying the epa fine

Ass turbo destroys the engine of hell a lot faster better Get a normal engine without turbo it’ll last a whole lot longer

Ford’s been doing this for a few years now. I have a 2016 F-150 with the 2.7. It has 216k miles. Regular scheduled maintenance and oil changes…nothing extravagant.

@@Heffelz8 I think they can be reliable, but this tundra is all new, and I’ll have to wait a few years before I trust the new power train

@@anthem4333 I guess. I suppose Toyota isn’t known for their phenomenal reliability…or something like that. I think they will be just fine.

Yeah so instead of 14 mpg, we’ll get 10 mpg

I'd rather have the V8 and slightly less real world fuel economy than the twin hamster wheel engine in the new one. Its a truck, not an economy car, if you are worried about fuel economy you shouldn't be looking at trucks, you should be looking at a Prius or an electric car LOL.

Easy to find them new and used go for it

@@wildbill23c your post is stupid, fuel efficiency is more important in a larger less efficient vehicle.

@@byanymeansnecessary9329 You have 100% no clue. If you are buying a full size truck for fuel efficiency you have rocks for brains. They're built to tow/haul, not be your mall crawler soccer mom van.

@@wildbill23c a 10% increase in fuel efficiency for a truck is a lot more fuel than a 10% increase in fuel efficiency for a small car. Fuel efficiency is extremely important for trucks, ask long haul truckers. Of course everything else is important too, but all else being equal fuel efficiency should win out. A twin turbo v6 can be just as reliable and powerful as a n/a v8. There is a reason why long haul trucks mostly run turbo diesels. I'm not comparing a truck to a corolla, im comparing it to other trucks. Wouldn't you want your truck to get 30% better fuel efficiency?

Very minimal and also many factors that we don't know. (Trailer weights, type of tires etc...)

It's a specification that is looked at too often because +90% of the time almost all drivers will not be accelerating flat-out. MPG and capabilities matter more during a test like this. Unfortunately this test isn't even fair - no sticker and different types of trailers with different suspension setups.

It’s about time someone said it!

Shady as hell.

Yeah prolly a gutted trailer

Probably heavier than the other trailer. They didnt want the old model to seem better

The comparison did slightly favor the new Tundra in the truck configs. Old was CrewMax, new was lighter Double Cab

Listen lets cut the shit and just put the whole drive train in a Tacoma and be done already

Even though that's a good idea to still do, this is not 1985. Oil improvements plus effective water-cooling post shut down prevent that. They don't last long because despite twin scroll and other trickery they still use undersize, heat generating, overworked turbos for every application in the name of low end tq end linear power bands. IMO while running is when they are hotter than they should be for the power being made. Diesel turbos don't have reliability issues because they run cooler (the nature of diesel combustion). The easy way to run cooler on a gas turbo is running a bigger turbo and let it run like a traditional turbo is suppose to (weak down low, ferocious top end). Those who want the feel of a V8 should buy a V8.

Spot on. The largest automobile manufacturer in the world couldn't offer a V8 option? Looks like my next truck will be an F-250 with the simplified 7.3L godzilla V8.

I think its a matter of manufacturing efficiency. Ford sold 7x F series trucks than Tundra. I know what you mean though, we want what we want.

@@chrisvids1820 I agree that it's likely that. But even so, they could at least offer it for the first two years and informing consumers that the v8 would be discontinued so those who would want it could have one last opportunity to do so.

Exactly....... I agree 100%. Toyota tells you what you want and what you like, Ford listens and builds a truck real truck drivers want.

@@chrisvids1820 there’s also the fact that Toyota isn’t as competitive as the other brands, which is a shame really.

You haven’t even been in the new one

This video highlighted the old one looking super dated and plasticky. New interior is loads better

and a hell of alot more roomin the 2nd gen.

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Why would Toyota make the cabs smaller? Makes no sense, but that is exactly what Toyota did.

@@AJourneyOfYourSoul watched a bunch of these videos on 2022 tundra last thursday woke up friday morning bought a 2021 i didn’t want change if it means less comfort and reliability the 2022 will have problems 🤗🤗🤗

@@kevincline9477 the previous tundra is a proven long term truck. You can’t go wrong with that purchase.

@@AJourneyOfYourSoul i no i traded my 2006 tundra with 135000 miles on it never any trouble and got 12000 trade in hopefully in 15 more years i do same

They were only 1 second faster with the new truck with 2 missing cylinders and turbos which will undoubtedly fail sooner than later especially being called upon continuously to get that heavy beast moving and keep it moving...they really should have left the V8 as an option as Ford has done with the Coyote 5.0L V8 in the F150's. If the mall cruiser crowd wants a lawnmower engine let them buy it, but the rest of us who actually use our trucks for work purposes towing/hauling all the time want the reliability and durability of a V8.

@@wildbill23c only one second faster with a more aerodynamic trailer of unknown weight...

Well yeah but that wouldn't make the new truck look better.

I know. Sketchy

Not in a test arranged by Toyota.

It’s an Innsbruck but the weight range is very broad.

If you search for the VIN, you come up with a 2020, 29-ft, Gulf Stream Innsbruck. The dry weight on one of those is between 5,120 lb, and 5,664 lb. The Air Stream weighs 7,600 lb. That means the Air Stream is about 2,000 lb heavier.

@@OscarSchneegans Good investigation work. My guess is that the truck heat soaked in the Texas sun, they put a lighter trailer behind it to prevent the times being even. I'm going to take a close look at the intercooler once they start coming in for pdis. They used a different trailer and scraped off the sticker give me a break, you couldn't be more obvious trying to cover that up. So much for world beater

@Rick Turbo failure is a myth......umkay bud. Even Fords own warranty reporting numbers strongly disagree with you. The carbon buildup issue ended in a class action lawsuit.

@Rick LoL what because i have a life outside of the internet i'm a troll? Buddy nothing i say or post or link will clearly change your mind so buy/drive whatever pumps your nads. BTW Ford is a public company just about anything can be sourced, just ask Elon Musk after California stuck it to them earlier this year on their warranty claim records.

@Rick what proof? These guys are just talking out of their asses. We run ecoboost as fleet vehicles and rarely, if ever, have issues. The last issue we had was a 2011 stretching the timing chain. That's it. A lot of "hur dur but muh v8" types think that turbochargers are some new fangled mythic technology when in reality they are not, and when properly maintained they last a very long time.

agree

Precisely why over the road tractors are all NA and to save them from the dreaded turbo.

yeah that is true. all these excess points of failure.

The answer is turbo V8 but don't tell you;re wallet or EPA

Ford turbo blows white smokes. The tundra won’t

@@cpenv if you say so

@@cpenv are you sure about that

@@davidmckibbin4440 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7kK5NpPE97A.html

It's absolutely shady. The Airstream is also much easier to pull (less drag) due to it's shape and likely aids fuel mileage as well. This test was completely skewed to make the V8 Tundra seem inferior.

@@putmeincoach7663 The Airstream is heavier though.

@@user-tb7rn1il3q The older v8 Tundra is also heavier. It's a fully loaded 1794 Crewmax with 4wd versus the 2022 which is a 2wd double cab limited. What's your point?

i agree, you dont see ram going this direction

English lesson. Translucent: transmitting and diffusing light so that objects beyond cannot be seen clearly. Transparent: having the property of transmitting light without appreciable scattering so that bodies lying beyond are seen clearly.

@@larrysmith6797 lmfao do you think I really give two craps about my grammar or the fact that it’s autocorrected and I couldn’t be bothered to change it since the message still gets through either way. But glad to know your life hold no meaning other than to spend the time correcting strangers in a social media platform 😂😂😂 exciting life you must live 😂😂

Yeah. Sketchy

I would have definitely bought a 5.7 with the 10 speed. Idk how reliable a twin turbo engine will be, but if one company can make it reliable, its definitely toyota

You are exactly right. I have seen so many comments drawing a correlation between gasoline turbos and diesel turbos. It's sad how uneducated folks are and what kind or marketing propaganda they are willing to regurgitate. They are completely different animals. Educate yourselves folks Quick Summary: Diesel: Low RPM Low Boost High Volume of Air Lots of Warm Exhaust Gases Slow Spool Up Almost No Back Pressure on Throttle Close Gasoline: Variable RPM High Boost Variable Volume Hot Exhaust Gases Quick Spool Up Hard Back Pressure on Throttle Close

@@putmeincoach7663 exactly!

Looked at them the crew cab is huge inside like a limo, but man the bouncing down the road on the test drive killed it for me. Got a different manufacturer instead

@DrNoAudio I mean right but I am not putting in 2k worth of airbags on a brand new truck

Yea you can see the airstream sticker shows a cargo capacity of roughly a 1300lbs. So the trailer weighed about 6300lbs for this video.