2022 Best Upper Large SUV | LandCruiser v Defender v Patrol | Drive.com.au DCOTY 

In the Middle East, people drive mostly both Nissan Patrols and Toyota Land Cruisers. I live in the UAE and I've seen a lot. We actually own one as well.

it's because they've never felt a defender

@@harrywaristian7663 lmao, they did try defenders and they turned out to be some of the worst vehicles

@@Countrysideboy247 hahahhaa nonsense

Come to Qatar and you will see each Qatari household having Range rovers and defenders.

How does it compare to the disco 4? P400is petrol hybrid right? Nothing is as comfy as a lr hence I wanna get one again but with warranty 😅

@@gixxr88 I honestly couldn’t say . I haven’t owned a D4 . And yes it’s a “ mild hybrid “. Loving it more every day … Brilliant. I do like the look of the Defender compared to the Disco but I’m sure you would like a bit more feedback. Cheers

@@Chopperbob56 I'll have to test drive it, I drove a 300 series for a few hours and back did hurt which never did hurt in the disco, other than that the 300 was great

@@gixxr88 Wow , interesting. I have gone on several rood trips and have been extremely comfortable. I will say that the seat material itself is a bit hard to clean. Also check the tire pressure if you take the p400 for a drive. Set the tires for normal load. The 10 extra PSI in heavy Load does add some percussion to the ride. Good Luck 👍

Not even a SUV by definition when the new defender is a unibody vehicle, real SUV’s are body on truck frame for better agility and offroad advantage. That defender is basically a suped up crossover, and I understand why OG LR fans are upset about it.

Motoring reviews generally don't take reliability into consideration. When reviewing a 4wd, reliability should be a key aspect. The simple fact is that LR have a proven record of unreliable vehicles over the past 20 years. Fact!. Argue to your heart's content, it will not make any difference. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a new Defender but hate the idea of spending that much money and risking the consequences.

@@cyclemoto8744 Spot on. Jose M is another defender of the Defender! It cannot compare to the real world reality of ownership, service and the fact you get your money back when you decide to sell it on 15 years later is always reassuring. Land Rover`s of all shapes and sizes can only dream of such a reputation, Landy heads are delusional! Viva the mighty Toyota Land Cruiser 300.

@@cyclemoto8744 I've been researching stories of problems and failures, many more than I'd like to experience. But for the looks comfort and capability Defender tops it for me...A hard decision.

Do you own an suv ?

Don't worry there are people looking for laxury vehicle too.

tnx exactely

As opposed to the Land Cruiser which is in itself not trustworthy.

@@textliter in what way ?

@@keanualexander8955 the fact it has to be serviced every 10,000km or 6 months.

@@fourbysolo that's the best servicing time to look after any make of car

@@ehholden2376 and for Toyota to make a shed load more money. 😀

My disco 4 has been all over Australia and not found the same problem. Im curious where you define the ‘outback’. What parts did you struggle with while travelling ?

@@collinstebbins2598 Hi Collin, as an example I did the Gibb River road, the day prior to starting I got a knock in the front. Went to 4 places before anyone would have a look. They said not sure can't see anything so you should be ok.. got to Broome where by now it was worse, again most places said they didn't work on Land Rovers. I found a place and they were great, had a chopped out lower control arm bush , told me it would be roughly 2 to 3 weeks to get the part or I could go to Perth to Land Rover.... don't get me wrong great cars for east coast and major cities and the D4 I could get aftermarket products for them. But if you look at what R&D is happening out there and what your going to get parts for in most places its a land cruiser. But the Defender is a great car 100%... have a great weekend and appreciate your feedback..

How do you test that Just On a Name

@BINAYA KASTHAKAR Owned 2. It’s good to just stay quiet sometimes 🤫

@@amirrezarezaie Binaya is the true defender of the Defender 😂 the dude been responding to anyone that talks trash about the Defender 😂

@@sportsmaster8729 lol

No, it’s definitely the Suzuki Jimny!

Lada 4x4 is cheaper and cooler!

Not even a SUV by definition when the new defender is a unibody vehicle, real SUV’s are body on truck frame for better agility and offroad advantage. That defender is basically a suped up crossover, and I understand why OG LR fans are upset about it.

Plenty of those also read something like: Body has 300,000km but the motor only has 100,000. Don't get me wrong, if they were more reliable I'd buy again in a heartbeat! Loved my D4, but a failed gearbox, rear E-diff, and various electrical gremlins that left me stuck on the bump stop 12 hours from nowhere is enough to put off even the most dedicated customer!

I get that I myself have been stuck but I feel when you buy a vehicle with class leading tech this can happen but why do Toyota feel it's alright to charge ridiculous prices for a vehicle that also has problems though not spoken about in polite conversation and using what could hardly be called luxury accessories

Plenty of snapped crankshafts on TDV6 and SDV6 motors too. Let's hope the new Ingenium inline six diesel is heaps better in regard to reliability. Top marks for ZF auto gearbox.

Did you think that maybe the road to getting 300k on the clock was a long painful and expensive road?

Go to your local Toyota dealer and ask them how easy it’ll be to fix compared to the 200.

Getting tired of the constant repeating of unproven claims against land rover. Everyone cites Consumer reports, no one has any data on land rover. Every one repeats some other comment they heard or that "they know a guy who has a friend who is a mechanic and says land rovers suck". Land Rovers are only as high maintenance as their owners. A Toyota could be on fire and the fans would say everything is fine. A land rover owner might get streak in the windshield because of an old wiper and they'd take it to a dealer and complain. Through advertising land rover has appealed to a higher maintenance audience and consumer and so has gained a reputation of higher maintenance. I moved from years of LC ownership to a discovery and I dont look back.

@Aaron Adkins I agree completely. Land Rover have unfairly developed a reputation of unreliability. Yes, both of my Land Rovers (a 1974 Series 3 88” and a 2000 TD5 Discovery 2 with 500k kms on the clock) are off the road at the moment, but they’re always fixable. Parts are always available from somewhere. There is a certain “Land Rover tax” where everything is kinda expensive but that’s just Land Rover. I wouldn’t say they break down/stuff on them breaks any more or less than a Land Cruiser or any other brand. They’re painful to fix sometimes, yes, and have an infinite amount of nuances that only the owners can understand. But in general, you can rely on them to get you where you need to go. Both of mine are old, and tend to last a couple weeks or months before the next thing pops up. Always sick, but never dead.

@@aaronadkins8234 It is just a fact that LRs have a stinking reputation for reliability. Too many people have been let down by either the product's reliabilty or the dealer network's hopelessness for it to be ignored. I love Land Rovers - I've had 10 or more. They have history and tradition and style and capability and comfort. But I crossed the Simpson in a Toyota. My 110 probably would have made it, but I'd trust a Toyota a LOT more. I hope your Disco gives you a good run, but the complexity and the build quality are stacked against this. I've had my Disco flat-beded twice, so I've seen it happen in person first hand.

@@spudboy1328 but you're just proving my point here. Stating it's a fact, but then giving no numbers to back that up, only subjective perspectives. My dad's land cruiser has been towed out of the bush twice in the past year. Does that mean land cruisers are not reliable? No not at all. And consumer reports are based on expectations and largely rely on the type of person that will respond to a survey or not.

@@aaronadkins8234 I was commenting on their reputation for unreliableness. Just read these comments and count the number of times unreliability is the subject of the comment. The new one might in fact be quite reliable, although on past history I sincerely doubt it, but it is going to take decades for LR to erase their reputation. Skoda did it, so it is possible, but first you need a good decade of solid reliable vehicles to sway people's perceptions.

Not even a SUV by definition when the new defender is a unibody vehicle, real SUV’s are body on truck frame for better agility and offroad advantage. That defender is basically a suped up crossover, and I understand why OG LR fans are upset about it.

@@acemandave7726 true. but it is a more solid build though. And also there's the fact that they've done it thinking about the EV versions that will come at some point.

And this is the problem that no one in the comments is talking about I'd like to know where did the other two cars lost points and why but that we will never know 😂. A misleading title what a disappointment 😞

Exactly my point too.

Of course it was.

What information do you have on reliability of land rovers? Any data? Or just repeating RU-vid comments and consumer reports?

@@aaronadkins8234 I don't know maybe a 4x4 Community member that reads up on crank cases that detonate on the Disco 3 and 4. Also follow TFL cars and they had I think 3 dud new Defenders before getting basically an upgrade because of their YT channel. That's just skimming the info from first hand users I have access to, so maybe they don't like their own vehicles.

@@henkstols9326 well, I'm a long time fan of both land cruisers and land rovers. Find they both have advantages and disadvantages. Neither is better than the other. TFL are ridiculous and their stunts with the defender were laughable and fabricated for the sake of drama and YT views. Worst of all was the video with the blown tires. I wouldn't trust them to review an ox cart.

@@aaronadkins8234 if you follow TFL you will notice that they owned a few older LR and really liked them, they aren't doing extreme hardcore trails with most of their vehicles and the issues they had were not really due to abusing their vehicle.

So you would rather buy a car/brand with no track record that you don’t know will still exist in 10 years?

18 inch is available.

Tyre size depends on the model. Entry level models have 18” wheels AT tyres are a no cost option Clearly, u will get tyres to suit your requirements

Defenders best at that too!

Defender can tow 3.5 t, AND it has more payload then the Patrol & LC. LR have always been excellent tow vehicles. Great GVM Great GCM With the electric air suspension, it’s a brilliant tow vehicle

How long you say the same joke?

Lol

What the...

A sore point! I`ll go Toyota Land Cruiser every day, if just for the reliability and resale of course. A Land Cruiser is an investment, unlike a Range Rover which will rip the shirt off your back throughout ownership and moving it on!

Getting tired of the constant repeating of unproven claims against land rover. Everyone cites Consumer reports, no one has any data on land rover. Every one repeats some other comment they heard or that "they know a guy who has a friend who is a mechanic and says land rovers suck". Land Rovers are only as high maintenance as their owners. A Toyota could be on fire and the fans would say everything is fine. A land rover owner might get streak in the windshield because of an old wiper and they'd take it to a dealer and complain. Through advertising land rover has appealed to a higher maintenance audience and consumer and so has gained a reputation of higher maintenance. I moved from years of LC ownership to a discovery and I dont look back.

@@aaronadkins8234 ok i get it, long story. short, Land rovers are for rich people

@@nepalesenewar573 But isn't the LC300 and Defender around the same price?

@@cresedian6769 yeah except for LC300 does not break as often and cost as much to fiiix

@@nepalesenewar573 How do you know it's only been out for a year and there are hardly any on the road. Are you obtaining your facts buy using a confirmation, anchoring or misinformation bias?

It was one of our utes the BT-50, hit a sharp rock in a ditch while turning, unsure of the brand wheel.

If u drive the defender once. You will never go to cruiser again 😂

People buy landrovers for luxury, ride comfort , refinement, technology, status not for reliability or resale you should go drive your boring garbage toyota

Yes but lot better than your outdated ugly land cruiser

its a paid promotion from LR

@@hotrod7603 true

@@tesla_models You do know the 300 came out late last year right 😂

Yes 130 model should be released in the UK approx July this year. 130 is same wheelbase as the 110, but with about 30 cm of extra length at the rear. Much more room as a 7 seater, and more cargo space

I don't doubt that the Defender is a great off-road vehicle, with all the tech and all the off-road stuff it really is the best off-roaders. As you mentioned the problem here is the fact that this was never a comparison instead it was a review of the Defender. To me that title is very misleading I came here expecting a good comparison instead I just hear the Defender is the winner 20/20 but nothing is mentioned about the competitors.

So true ...couldn't agree with you more

🤦‍♂️ My thought too. The Defender is actually a tad higher, 1967 v 1905mm, a tad wider, 2008mm v 1970mm but is shorter at 4323 v 4950. The Landcruiser feels bigger on the inside but the Defender feels more high end. For $140-$150k for the upper end Landcruisers, they’re a little bit lacking in finish imo & I’m a cruiser guy……

No new car reviews go into long term reliability because mostly they can't. Landcruiser and Defender here are both really new ground up models so how can they comment on that? Past models reliability can't objectively be used because it would be making assumptions that reliability hasn't been either improved or declined from the previous models. You should check out redriven if you want longevity reviews. They are great reviews too.

@@smuy3782 I do watch Redriven- how a good journalist would analyse the past behaviour and how the product had been developed prior it's release. All I am saying is they can not come and say its the best SUV because it feel luxurious.

@@TheAthavanleon I think as a review what they are doing is correct. They drive the cars, they talk about what they experience. Comfort, handling, capability, practicality etc. I reckon they covered most of that. I think what you are looking for is investigative journalism which doesn't exist in the automotive media. Any time anyone mentions the testing and development that has gone into a new model is because it was included press pack they received at the launch.

Ah but it looks pretty in Chelsea`s little streets, all butched up with nowhere to go!

Funny when i broke my d300 windscreen I walked into my dealer and bought one to have it installed down the road. Mine has already been to the tip of cape york including the old coach road and is about to do the Simpson.

Left to Land Rover owners to do the considering

How can you consider reliability of either the LC300 or Defender as this cannot be measured yet. Therefore, to lump all LRs or Toyotas onto a single basket to measure any desired variable is stupid.

Yup, the Defender is really not all that big, especially in the cargo bay area. Absolutely tiny and a lot of wasted space underneath the false floor.

Not anymore, it used to be in the same class as those vehicles as it was utilitarian, had live axles & simple systems. It’s now just a disco with a defender name badge on it

Going by your logic, means that the 2022 winner of best dual cab these guys did was a paid report too?🤔

Getting tired of the constant repeating of unproven claims against land rover. Everyone cites Consumer reports, no one has any data on land rover. Every one repeats some other comment they heard or that "they know a guy who has a friend who is a mechanic and says land rovers suck". Land Rovers are only as high maintenance as their owners. A Toyota could be on fire and the fans would say everything is fine. A land rover owner might get streak in the windshield because of an old wiper and they'd take it to a dealer and complain. Through advertising land rover has appealed to a higher maintenance audience and consumer and so has gained a reputation of higher maintenance. I moved from years of LC ownership to a discovery and I dont look back.

@@aaronadkins8234 yeah couldn’t agree more. I do like me a Toyota and it’s always a brand that you have to consider when buying a vehicle. Having said that JLR have really done a great job with their current fleet of cars. Especially the defender. I can agree with some that Land Rover has had their fair share of problems, but what car hasn’t? Since TATA bought JLR, I believe they are really trying to show the consumer that JLR products are just as reliable as other brands( proof of them doing this is now they offer 5 year warranty on all JLR models). Back in 2016 my wife and I were looking for a new family SUV and ended up buying a 2016 Disco sport. We were aware of all the people saying their issues with JLR( mainly reliability) but we took the chance and haven’t regretted it. Since owning it we have down now over 140000kms and had no issues whatsoever. We use this vehicle for everything (only car we have) we tow our camper trailer with it, take off road, camping and been to multiple trips to QLD and NSW (I’m from VIC) in it fully loaded and hasn’t skipped a beat. We service it and look after it (like any responsible car owner should with any car) and car looks after us and gets us to wherever we want to go.

100%. This was an advert for Land Rover. Fooled no one!

So like I have done with my D300 gone to 18s.

@@petermarten10 What is the cost of the modifications to enable 18" wheels to be fitted? Do the front brake calipers and rotors need to be replaced and the whole shebang certified by an engineer? I was considering the D250 which has the white 18" wheels but JLR Australia discontinued this model so quickly, it was barely available for a year.

@@tempestv8 no it is not a total change just the rear calipers. Yes it is engineered so all above board. Contact tuff ant for final costs

Simple! Add a 1.5 inch lift and you can have 32” BFG’s on it! Solved! I did and it works great! Looks even better now