@@odinikita4821why? I welcome electric cars. It is inevitable and needs to be done to decrease greenhouse gas emissions. I love cars but this is bigger than a few people wanting to drive ICE sports cars.
Those beautiful hands are once again hypnotizing me to get one of these... I miss both my old FRS and my BRZ dearly, they always just felt so special to drive. Seeing you drive these ZC8s is getting me feeling nostalgic, and now I'm perusing the classifieds! Maybe I need to grab a GR86 and we get on track for a head to head... 😉
I love my BRZ! I bought in February and have hardly driven until recently because of the summer-rated tires. I have the "limited" version, which in Canada is called "sport tech" (no idea why there is a different name for it). It puts a smile on my face every time i drive it. This car is not about absolute speed, but travelling on twisty roads, or the rare traffic circle we have here. So much fun!
I will say dealer markups are price gouging and should be illegal. I tried to test drive a 22 civic SI yesterday and not only was the dealer not allowing test drives, they added a 6k markup on top of MSRP. So a 32k car is now 38 and out the door is over 40k. That's ridiculous
Oh I've experienced worse. Tried to test drive the Supra last year, and the dealer was like: "Let's run your credit and discuss price first. Once you decide to buy the car, you may feel free to test drive it." How the fxxk is that a test drive if I already bought the car?!
I've seen some GR86/BRZ owners run the USB cable under their seat and to the driver's door side. They plug in the phone and rest it in the door handle area when driving. I figured I'd do that as I can't think of another decent area either. Hope this helps, love your videos and am eagerly awaiting my GR86 order's arrival!
Convenient timing for this to pop up in my recommended; I JUST got home from the Subaru dealership and placing my order for a manual BRZ Limited. First car I've ever bought, been driving my dad's old Tundras for the past decade. Was originally gonna go for the GR86, but the Toyota dealerships here refused to let me place an order for one saying I just have to get lucky that one would come in and that it was extremely unlikely for a manual version to come in sooooo to Subaru I went.
Did you order a 2022 or a 2023? I even contacted Subaru directly TWICE as the dealers are clueless and they said the 2023 hasn't been "approved" for sale yet. Seems odd. One Subaru rep said the BRZ is having issues passing emissions and not sure when the 2023 will be released if at all. Yeah lady, they spent money to design a car only for a 2022. LOL We are waiting to order a 2023 as soon as we can. :) Grats on your purchase!
I just factory ordered a 2023 BRZ Premium in WR Blue to replace my 2020 performance pack in the same color. Your videos are the reason I've fallen in love with this platform and I am so excited to get my 23!
@@gottagofest1610 I was quoted 30,018. For a premium(base)at msrp 1,080 destination and only accessories is a home link mirror. 23 models are $600 more than 22s
Great video! Your original video on your premium sold me on the car. Just put an order down on this exact spec (Lim, WRB, MT) last week. This wait is going to be hard, but so worth it!
After several autocross events I'm ecstatic with my BRZ. I added the front camber bolts and 245/40R17 Falken RT660s and the grip limits on-course is amazing. I also did an event on the Primacy tires and it was a nice exercise in car control, perhaps even more fun than on the Falkens. I didn't care about the 18 inch wheels on the Limited since I run 17s for autocross.
@@urbly2638 I run 7mm of offset to prevent rubbing. I noted a slight rub due to autocross but compared to street driving it is pretty demanding, so that shouldn’t be an issue there. Due to SCCA rules I run stock 7.5 inch wide wheels but I don’t recommend that for normal driving. Stick to the Tire Rack recommendations and you can’t go wrong in my opinion. They recommend 8.5 in width at this size.
I just ordered a new '23 BRZ Limited 6AT (WR Blue Pearl) two days ago. I have a good working relationship with the dealership and got $1,005 off MSRP. It'll be a June '23 delivery. Pretty excited. Looks fun.
The most fun and balanced sub-$40K driver's car you can buy (or not buy...) right now! Looking forward to driving a base model soon for some extra slidey action. #BRZBOIZ
Nah the new BRZ is such a good looking car, especially for 30k, in a couple years these will hopefully be everywhere and just be such amazing deals for a great look and fun.
First thing I did with my '17 was pull the plug from the 12 volt socket behind the glove box and use it to plug the noise tunnel. It is an annoying sound.
@@xSikks But maybe you should have kept it plugged, since the last gen model did not have any fake engine sound. There was a sound pipe that physically amplified the engine sound from the engine bay. The sound coming from the pipe was 100% real. The new gen model (2022 onwards) are the ones that actually have fake engine sound emitted from speakers. In fact the sound emitted does not sound like an engine at all. It seems like some sine waves were combined to create a new noise to simulate engine noise. The end result sounds terrible.
Solid review. Appreciate how I’m depth you went. One of the few reviews that did such a great job with the video as well as detail you provided. So thank you for that. I ordered a ‘23 limited. As a Brz owner, what modifications would you recommend? Thanks!
Not sure if anyone has said this before but Topher kinda sounds like the English voice actor of Takumi...🤭 so its kinda appropriate of him to be reviewing the BRZ/Gr86.
Amazing video, def my go to to get 22 BRZ content - can't wait for mine later this year! With the phone situation, I've heard routing the cable under the seat, you can place the phone in the door handle area. Involves buying a long cable though.
This is my dream car ever since I played this car at Gran Turismo 5, and even at Assetto Corsa. Would love to drive the real thing, but stocks and pricing here in the Philippines is very unfair. The BRZ or GT86 here would cost around $40k~$45k when paid in cash, and around $50k~55$k when paid in terms. Hopeful to even buy the older model used, because I truly love this car. Watched your old videos also back then, and I hope to buy one soon.
I hope Toyota/Subaru finds a way to keep this car alive in the age of electrification. I think something along the lines of a electric motor sandwiched between a manual transmission and a gas engine like the original Honda Insight should be adapted here!
@@Brzito I got it for MSRP price plus tax, plus license and registration, got up to around 32, that's what I financed with my bank. Took about 5 months to come is.
The brz is truly something special. I miss my 2014 frs. Still the best feeling manual transmission and clutch in any car I’ve driven. So satisfying to drive and corner with. Unfortunately I couldn’t deal with the stiff suspension and manual trans for daily driving, it just became a headache for me. But on night drives with just me and the car, nothing else mattered but that connection. Wish I could have just one more night ride with it. Great video!
@TheTopher great video! Anyway possible for you to create your top 3 list of cars that you review in each car category / segment? Sometimes it's difficult for the audience to compare your feedback between two good reviews of the cars from the same segment. Having your preference supported by your experience in a top 3 list, etc. would be super helpful.
I’m surprised you went with this over the WRX for a daily driver based on both of the videos you posted. Seems like the WRX premium would be more practical with the car seat and both cars (wrx premium) are roughly the same price. Also WRX is all wheel drive and you like in MI with a lot of snow. Great reviews though thx
Honestly for me I wanted the Limited (or GTS for the toyota) for the sound system, lights, heated seats ect..... but I HATE the feel of suede, so I'm worried I couldn't stand the feel of the seats or door pads
I'm probably gonna wait until next year but I'm really itching to sell my CX-5 and get into something smaller and back to driving a stick. I'm basically gonna cross-shop every manual under 40k that isn't a complete dog but I'm kinda leaning BRZ. It just looks so fun.
I got my GR 86, and I love it.... seriously this beast is amazing to drive. Best purchase I could have made. Should I stick to 16' inch tires for winter tires?
I got Michelin x snow tires on the same 18 inch wheels and was super pleased. They are quiet and the grip levels are honestly similar to the ps4 tires.
Thanks for releasing these videos, they’ve held me over until I was able to pick up my Halo Premium MT GR86 earlier this month! If you see one driving around Novi, give me a wave or flag me down for a chat! I also removed the clutch helper spring as I really enjoyed my 13’ BRZ much more with it removed. I also adjusted the clutch travel to have less dead travel prior to the engagement point (it now sits slightly above the brake pedal), have you tried this? Took about 5 minutes, it feels a lot more natural to me now, and I wish I had done this to my BRZ while I had it. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts.
Any plans to review the mx5 2022 with KPC? Im interested to hear what you think of the new brz/gr86 vs mx5 now with all the changes made to both the cars
Re the pad for right leg tunnel. My '17 Limited has that and it seems like it doesn't hit me in the right place. It is right where you showed you wish you had one. Nice that you can drive and compare the two trim levels.
My only question about this car. How is its audio system for the limited? And how would u guys compare it to the audio system on the 2021 wrx sti limited? There's no good comparison videos out there so wanted to see if anyone knew
Thanks for the extended insight! I'd be happy to see you make more videos on it. I have one question if you don't mind: Are the mode settings sticky? Does it stay in sports mode after you turn off the car? Same with traction control and lane keeping assist. It is one of the main things that annoy me about modern cars. Having to configure things every time the car is started. It's what makes me think to get a base model as it hopefully comes with less. Though it might be different in Australia. The Type R came with lane keeping and other annoyances in AU when it didn't yet in other countries. PS: I did watch your Type R videos many many times. And when I got to a point of being able to buy one they stopped making them. I'm hopying to have more success with the new GR86 once it makes it to AU.
You said you would update us on everything you’d do to the car. You did not update us on the camber bolts and adjusting your camber. I just ordered a 2023 premium from factory and I’m following you very closely.
I wish the WRX got all the sporty tech from this car, I guess it really shows the wrx is not supposed to be a true sports car. I like my analog gauges but all those other features are neat, and the shift light is cool too.
Hi Topher, Enjoy all your videos about brz so much actually because of your I bought my BRZ ad I'm loving it. Two things: Wondering if the engine makes a clank sound or noise when you cruising in first and second gears? Also sometimes I find that when 2nd gear goes into 3rd gear it feels like it's hitting gears if I change it a bit fast. Are these normal? Thanks !!
Driving a 2011 prius i will definitely will pick this up when it kicks the bucket which might not be for a couple of years but ill be ready for any opportunities
The thing to keep in mind is that YOU are going to kick the bucket. Life is too short to spend it driving a twelve yr old Prius. Go out there and make it happen!
Im glad you said "Australia comes with a spare (tyre/tire)" because I was wondering why I sometimes saw a spare sitting in the middle of the boot/trunk in some videos and not others. Since im in Australia mine will obviously come with a spare (full size actually).. I wonder if I can pull it out and put in the repair kit instead to utilise more boot/truck space?
Fingers crossed, everyone. Come noon tomorrow, I may or may not have a reserve on a 6-speed GR86. I've only driven manual a handful of times, outside of sims with a full setup, so it'll certainly be a learning experience, but I'm chomping at the bits, waiting. EDIT: No dice. The allotment to my local dealership was only for ONE automatic, zero manuals. I will try to remember to update in two weeks, after they get the next allotment.
Thanks for the night drive and test of the adaptable headlights. Do you know if they adapt for hills? I have the '17 and I think they went to a single illumination source with an "eye lid" type shroud that drops down over the top half of the light source to make the low beams. They have a brutally sharp horizontal cut off across the entire beam spread and are bizarre on hills. (Some engineers somewhere should be slapped for this design.)
@@2qwik4u Thanks! Just to be clear, you have the '22 Limited? (So they kept the "eyelid" for vertical, but added horizontal movement? Wow! Can't believe more people have not complained about the eyelid situation. Going down a rolling down hill, the top section of the hill just vanishes, creating a weird illusion.)
Agree on the steering. Apparently the rack is very slightly slower (13.5 v 13.0) but it feels like they’ve upped the assistance a bit too. It’s like they’ve been influenced by the ND Miata. It’s accurate enough and probably makes the car feel a bit more “chuckable”, but it’s lost quite a bit of feel (maybe any feel) in my opinion. Probably the only thing that I think the new model has gone slightly backwards on. Agree with the knee pad! The voice command initiation is from the steering wheel button. I accidentally knock it all the time too.
Hey Topher, couple questions! How does the music sound on highway compared to an ND soft top miata? The miata bothered me since I couldnt really hear the music with all the wind noise. Also you mentioned 28-29 mpgs. Whats your typical commute? Ive heard huge ranges of mpgs for this car… some saying as low as 21 mpgs. I feel like ~25-26 combined might be an accurate assumption?
Hey Topher and fans, do you have recommendations on other tires? When I test drove the GR86 Premium the Michelin’s literally hurt my ears on the freeway. My ears still hurt 5+ hours later after the only 10-15 minutes on the highway. Loved the handling and shifter otherwise.
Those pilot sport 4s are really bad. Continental extremecontact sports will be a lot quieter, pretty much anything else in that category will offer better noise levels. Downsizing to 17s will help too
I swear the Japanese just don't do good fake engine noise. I mean I'm not for them, but at leat the Germans make their soundaktors sound good. The new Civic Si and this BRZ soundaktors make it sound so much worse than just real engine noise. Its like they took a 4-cylinder sound, made it sound fartier, and threw the sound file into a speaker and called it quits.
My two cents...I don't know... Seems like a waste of money for a 30k car with 2 doors and a "back seat" and a tiny trunk. Then you deal with depreciation and having to purchase all 4 tires at a time, it seems pricey for an average person. However if you're into cars and modding and race on the track and stuff like that then i get it. Seems foolish to spend 400+ on a monthly car payment for 2 doors unless you're winning it back in races or RU-vid videos lol.
Hey @TheTopher #TheTopher , watch at 7:46, but with all love bro, I love watching your videos but ain’t tire pressure always physical? Lol thought that was funny, thought I should share 😂
Cool car. Wouldn't give my 2021 wrb sti for it, but I wouldn't mind having one and putting the sti under a cover in the garage now that they don't make em.
I filmed a few GR86 videos from the launch last year 🙌 here’s the review: 2022 Toyota GR 86 Premium - POV Driving Impressions ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FSzsU0lyv-U.html
@TheTopher Thank you so much for doing another review and including the sound system test. Your channel is truly the best for car reviews. Anytime I wan to see what a car is like I search TheTopher (car here) :)
Different classes of cars so not directly comparable. Also they provide different experience. M2 offers more of everything except perhaps pure connection between driver and the car. Which might be the reason itself to go BRZ/gr86. Keep in mind, M2 will be significantly more expensive over the long run. If your finances allow for it, go m2, but since you're asking this particular question, I think you would be better of with BRZ/gr86. You want to own the car. You don't want the car to own you.
