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2022 Subaru Outback Wilderness vs. Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road Trail Test 

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Can the new 2022 Subaru Outback Wilderness stand up against the legendary 2021 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road when the going gets tough? We took both to an off-road area in the cascade mountains to put both systems to the test.
CONTENTS
00:00 - Introduction
02:40 - Testing the Tires
07:49 - AWD System Challenge Test (X-Mode vs. MTS)
12:49 - Crawl Control
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Комментарии : 2,6 тыс.   
@tonybasilio7003
@tonybasilio7003 3 года назад
Don’t you think having the same tire is important for comparisons?
@MichaelSink
@MichaelSink 2 года назад
Tony, don't bring your sensibilities to this biased comparison XD I was thinking the same thing!
@WaruiKoohii
@WaruiKoohii 2 года назад
As much as I like this channel, you shouldn't watch it to get a fair comparison between cars, because you won't get it. They have cars they like, and they really don't make it a secret that they're helping a certain car to win. Such as the 4runner in this case...they didn't like the OEM tires on it, so they put pretty decent A/T tires on it. They didn't think the OEM tires on the Subaru were that great, but they left them on and compared them as equals. Plus they just don't always use built in traction features and such correctly or at all, giving the advantage to whatever car they're favoring. tl;dr, cool channel, the car they want to come out on top will but at least they aren't super secret about being shady.
@toddfeltman3748
@toddfeltman3748 2 года назад
@@WaruiKoohii favored or not, the 4Runner would win every time. CVT doesn’t compare to a standard automatic, and add in Toyota’s superior drive modes, 4 Low, locking differentials, and the Subie is at a distinct disadvantage. No need to complain, the Toyota is made to be a better off road vehicle. And it costs a lot more too.
@Vagitarian01
@Vagitarian01 2 года назад
@@WaruiKoohii the Subaru was on loan, that's why they babied it more. I'd reckon that's also why they didn't upgrade the tires. The Toyota is their's to modify and they went with a tire that is more capable than stock. With limited budgets/resources they can't line up every test to be as fair as possible. Maybe once they get more income from the channel, that can improve.
@Milehighunter
@Milehighunter 2 года назад
Weird a $50,000 4Runner with aftermarket wheels did better than a $28,000 Subaru with stock wheels….this was a dumb comparison
@vedder10
@vedder10 3 года назад
This channel does a much better job of giving the Subaru a fighting chance at these comparisons. Realistic scenarios with truly objective points of view. I love this channel. I think Subaru hit a home run with this vehicle. A vehicle that can handle some tough stuff but yet doesn't compromise with the majority of everyday tasks like navigating a supermarket parking lot or driving to work with fuel efficiency.
@offroadyaris5257
@offroadyaris5257 2 года назад
For Subaru content, this channel is my favorite.
@alancontreras1362
@alancontreras1362 2 года назад
Best bang for the buck in safety, practicality and resell value.
@CHMoore
@CHMoore 2 года назад
I would on compare the two with the same tires. 4r had the advantage of more appropriate tires in this terrain. Subaru would have been my purchase due to $$ difference. I have a 2017 Forester that I like due to economy and comfort,
@davidfence6939
@davidfence6939 2 года назад
@Alan Contreras 4Runners from over a decade ago are still going for north of $25000....
@justray510
@justray510 2 года назад
@John Dough depends on the use of the vehicle. I have no plans of climbing a mountain or severe off roading. I need 4x4 for snow, and back roads in my National forest. I'll take the comforts of the Wilderness.
@BoanergesJim
@BoanergesJim 2 года назад
I believe some folks were missing the reason for the comparison. The Toyota was a benchmark to base the capabilities of the Wilderness Edition, not to see which one is a better off roader. My next vehicle will be the Outback Wilderness Edition. I love Jeeps, but I am a city slicker, and have no real reason to own one for the driving that I do. The Outback is made for softroading, road trips and grocery getting. If money were not an object, I certainly would get a Jeep with the EcoDiesel, but I would also not live in my tiny condo, and go offroading as much as I could in my spare time. Such as it is, the Subaru is great for my needs.
@googleleavemynamealone9145
@googleleavemynamealone9145 2 года назад
So are you saying you prefer being in your tiny condo than go outside? Maybe you were never really going to be a jeep owner? But I have one and have to say its not as bad a grocery duties nowadays
@BoanergesJim
@BoanergesJim 2 года назад
@@googleleavemynamealone9145 I haven't a clue as to what you are trying to convey. I now own the Outback Wilderness Edition and am quite pleased with my purchase and its capabilities. If I lived in the country, like I used to, then my old Kaiser Jeep M-715 would have been a great back up vehicle to have for harsher or challenging obstacles. As it is, the Subaru is great for my needs.
@MWingate970
@MWingate970 2 года назад
@@googleleavemynamealone9145 #coolguyclub
@cg5434
@cg5434 2 года назад
I have owned 4 Wranglers, and now own a Subaru. Wranglers are great if you are going to be off-roading a lot because they make so many off-road accessories for them and you can really build them up. I live in a really remote area that requires four wheel drive to get to the majority of the time. So I bought Jeep Wranglers for several years. However, I had numerous problems with them including major problems with the lifters and cam in the 3.6 engines. These problems combined (total cost for all 4 vehicles to get repaired by a dealership were $21,876.34 luckily I bought extended warranties on all but one) with not so great fuel mileage, made me change over to a Subaru. Once I got past the fact I was driving a Subaru, I fell in love with it. It has gotten me through some rough snow storms and rain washed muddy roads. They are very efficient and reliable vehicles. Go check out what the locals drive in the ski towns and you will be surprised.
@alexlopez2995
@alexlopez2995 Год назад
The wife and I picked up a 2022 Outback Wilderness last weekend. Its a badass suv. Looks amazing inside and out and its super comfortable. We live in FL and its super flat here but driving on the sandy beaches and getting out the trenches is easy work for the Outback without sacrificing all the comfy amenities. We like camping and hiking and there isnt a place we cant go with the Outback here in FL. Only complaint is the 6 speaker audio system. It just plain sucks. First upgrade is the audio.
@FJUH
@FJUH 2 года назад
I live in Australia and did a recent trip out to Alice Springs in the desert with my FJ Cruiser. My friend had a Subaru Forester. The Subaru could handle all but one of the official tracks of the East and West MacDonnell ranges. These tracks were mainly rocks and sand. You can do a lot more with the Subaru than you think!
@LordSothMajere
@LordSothMajere 2 года назад
Imagine how much better they would have done with the new Wilderness edition! Unfortunately, I checked with Subaru and they don't think they're bringing the Wilderness in to the country :(
@Hertacles
@Hertacles 2 года назад
@@LordSothMajere you can buy a lot of the enhancements yourself.
@Treetopflyer777
@Treetopflyer777 2 года назад
Bring back the FJ!!
@jackle842000
@jackle842000 2 года назад
Well, you could. But if they'd use a good transmission you could more than once every decade. I love Subaru and want a Crosstrek with the new bigger engine IF they'd put a real transmission back in with a slower first gear. Or if they're design their own CVT that's way stronger for towing (as in a small trailer with an ATV or something if needed), more reliable, and offered high and low range. Always wondered, if ATV'S have low in CVT why not a Subaru?
@Hertacles
@Hertacles 2 года назад
@@jackle842000 because regardless of how you want to slice it the biggest customer based they have is middle aged women. The cars are functional in ice and snow which is why they buy them. If you want it on your Subaru you'll have to modify it and explaining why the low range is crawling to a woman who won't care is wasting money. IF Subaru ever did that it would cost $8000 more for the package. The wilderness is a joke btw.
@bizehm
@bizehm 2 года назад
I'm watching you from Germany. I'm so jealous of the cool cars you have in the USA. We don't have any 4Runners and the Outback is only a standard model without a turbo engine. Your videos are wonderful! Thank you so much for that!
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 2 года назад
We don't have the GR Yaris, 2 Door Land Cruiser Prado, Corolla Touring Sports or Yaris Cross to name but a few.
@THE-xp3hp
@THE-xp3hp 2 года назад
@@rightlanehog3151 Pros and Cons for us on either side of the pond.
@davec.3198
@davec.3198 2 года назад
In America, we do get some pretty cool 'adventure' oriented rides. There are lots of places to have fun around here and millions of people live on dirt roads out in the country.
@Nessal83
@Nessal83 3 года назад
The Outback is good for 95% of people. The other 5% that push the limits will do better with the 4R.
@BenjaminCronce
@BenjaminCronce 3 года назад
Offroading is a valid test, but not enough emphasis in reviews about how well Subaru handles slippery roads. The amount of control I have is crazy. Big open parking lot in the middle of winter, making sharp sudden turns, never losing control. Almost boring. Any of my other vehicles and the backend is trying to slide out or understeering. The 4x4s are clawing their ways out of the ditch while the Subarus never get in the ditch in the first place.
@Databyter
@Databyter 3 года назад
Pretty much and I've been trying to figure out for years which camp I belong to, but so far, I shop the jeeps and 4 runners, and buy Subarus.
@douglasshouganai2516
@douglasshouganai2516 3 года назад
and for that reason, it will still be successful. wildly so in the PNW. I could see people having one Outback Wilderness as a daily and maybe a vastly customized rock crawling Wrangler, or just one 4Runner. and i think going either route is perfectly valid.
@billgreen3629
@billgreen3629 3 года назад
It's not about people, it's about uses. I wouldn't want the 4Runner for a 125-mile commute in "mountain driving" conditions (i.e. anything is possible), but I also can't imagine the Subaru on anything more than an easy dirt road. The CVT is a PITA in the best conditions and it doesn't have any low gearing. Subaru claims 8.5" of ground clearance, but that is the clearance of the entire underbody. The stock 4Runner is 9" (ish?) minimum ground clearance -- i.e. a single low point. Further, approach, break over and departure angles are what you would expect in a car. One is a truck that drives fine on road, one is a car that can be driven in dirt. If you have a long daily commute and expect to travel extensively off pavement, you need both.
@texassky9706
@texassky9706 3 года назад
I’m loving this battle. But the Subaru still made it ;) And can we just talk about that turning radius? If there were dirt roads to my office , I would so be in the 4Runner camp. Maybe I should change jobs. I love both vehicles!
@johnbouldin9033
@johnbouldin9033 2 года назад
Ryan thank you for taking the Wilderness on a little adventure. I was impressed with its ability to direct power to the wheels that weren't spinning. I have watched the regular Outbacks and the like spin their wheels - going nowhere. Excellent job on the editing and Karleen adds to the episode.
@standdown4929
@standdown4929 Год назад
I just bought my daughter a 2022 Outback Wilderness, she loves it. I paid just over 49,000 with an added hitch, a little bumpier tire, plus the trade in of my daughters older Subaru. Subies rock!
@johnathonuncapher7523
@johnathonuncapher7523 6 месяцев назад
Hey it's me, your long lost daughter. I could use a new subaru!
@standdown4929
@standdown4929 6 месяцев назад
@@johnathonuncapher7523 Lol, I only have one daughter. If I had extra money, I would actually buy you one for your cute comment! 🙂
@Hallowsaw
@Hallowsaw 3 года назад
This just proves that a subaru does pretty much all you would ever need. If you do anything more than that you should just be getting a dedicated off roader at that point
@milesb4231
@milesb4231 3 года назад
You mean everything you would ever need. My last camping spot needing 4WD I would have never made it out with a Subaru. 0 percent chance. And yes I’ve owned an Outback recently.
@vilhelmstein2091
@vilhelmstein2091 3 года назад
@@milesb4231 not this subaru though... they've done a lot to enhance it.
@AustinH7
@AustinH7 3 года назад
Still it’s AWD. Also it’s subjective because a lot of us want our vehicles to do more. The thing slipped a hell of a lot more and was on three wheels.
@veganpotterthevegan
@veganpotterthevegan 3 года назад
@@vilhelmstein2091 This is a stock Subaru from the factory🤦 It's no different than a Toyota TRD.
@vilhelmstein2091
@vilhelmstein2091 3 года назад
@@veganpotterthevegan all I'm saying is it's better than your average outback. Hell no it won't do hardcore off roading, but it's still pretty darn impressive. Throw some KO2s on it and it would do even better. You'd have to be a little off in the head to believe its on the same level as a true 4x4.
@17IFTnyc
@17IFTnyc 3 года назад
The 4 runner is king except for mpg but the Subaru did better than expected. Put the same all terrains on the Subaru and you got perhaps the best adventure all arounder
@samanthajames9773
@samanthajames9773 3 года назад
Which is why I won’t ever buy a 4Runner until power and efficiencies have been greatly improved. Looking to 2023 for a major redesign
@stout_tossme7541
@stout_tossme7541 3 года назад
When I bought my 4 runner I went from an SUV that got about 15 MPG combined. So it was no change for me. As a softroader the Subaru is amazing.
@Rodisflawless
@Rodisflawless 3 года назад
Albeit with a crappy CVT.
@stout_tossme7541
@stout_tossme7541 3 года назад
@@Rodisflawless yeah. I own a car with a CVT. It is awesome on the road and whatnot. I have no real complaints. But slow driving or any driving that would involve working the tranny....yeah, not a good choice
@flatboxer
@flatboxer 2 года назад
Symmetrical AWD KING
@zadokmotorfreight2423
@zadokmotorfreight2423 Год назад
Really impressed with the Subaru!! It had smaller, less aggressive tires with a lower profile sidewall and still did really well!
@andrewchong1154
@andrewchong1154 2 года назад
I was just laying here on the couch selling an outback to my wife.... when in the first 30 seconds, I recognize the spot where we cur our christmas tree! Then proceed to notice the trail system they're using is in our back yard! Great video, great review!
@jaybou007
@jaybou007 3 года назад
Impressive performance by the Wilderness. But hey, if you're serious about off-roading, come on, the 4Runner is very tough to beat. If your definition of off-roading is a wide track made of gravel, the Wilderness model seems to be very adequate.
@zzanatos2001
@zzanatos2001 3 года назад
I bought a new 4Runner Sport V8 back in 2004. Little did I know that I would still be driving it every day in 2021. Over 200,000 miles with zero problems - and I'm taking it on a 2,000-mile cross-country trip next month. The biggest issue with my 4Runner is that I really want to get a new vehicle soon - but I can't find a good reason to buy one. My best advice to anyone who is thinking of getting a 4Runner is to make sure and get all the options you want, and get the right color because you are probably going to live with it for decades.
@bradcomis1066
@bradcomis1066 3 года назад
@@zzanatos2001 guess gas is cheap enough in the US that going for something more efficient like the Outback isn't really necessary. $4.90USD/gallon (3.78L) here in Vancouver BC. Makes gas guzzlers pretty painful. You are definitely getting your dollars' worth out of your 4runner, which is awesome.
@tsankotsankov760
@tsankotsankov760 3 года назад
@@zzanatos2001 best 4runner ad ever! Toyota should be sending you one for free!
@MrSmith-rk4jq
@MrSmith-rk4jq 3 года назад
@@bradcomis1066 that about what prices are like here in california. i just paid over 5/gallon the other day for premium. lots of the country is still pretty cheap in the 3 dollar range though. all depends where ya live
@Databyter
@Databyter 3 года назад
We can realistically expect gas prices of over $6 in the near future with Sippy Cup Sleepy Joe skuttling the newly gained energy independence of the United States in favor of buying the same amount of fuel from competitors overseas. Databyter
@handcuffed302
@handcuffed302 3 года назад
I just found out this amazing channel a few days ago and I have already watched so many of your videos and I seriously love them you guys are doing amazing job .
@thorthehuntsman2382
@thorthehuntsman2382 2 года назад
I’m going outback all day. They both handle the terrain and the fuel economy it’s much more realistic on the outback for a daily driver. The reality is, most people who buys these vehicles are not driving through that type of terrain.
@GabeShowNetwork
@GabeShowNetwork 2 года назад
Also, subarus are decent at off roading but snow is where they really shine
@mangobackwoods8994
@mangobackwoods8994 2 года назад
Your right but the 4runner looks sexier.
@darthtyranus7683
@darthtyranus7683 2 года назад
No thanks. There's a reason most offroad Aussies stick with Nissan Patrols, Land cruisers Hiluxes etc. No bash plates that's a bad day CVT off roading is asking for premature death that's why Toyota won't budge for the Truck class anyone that knows there grit of actual offroading and not trail driving knows there's a minimum requirement for ground clearance and Subarus don't have that
@Tallnerdyguy
@Tallnerdyguy 2 года назад
99.5% of the people I see driving 4runners will never get more than dirt from parking lots on them
@junioradult6219
@junioradult6219 Год назад
​@@Tallnerdyguy i think more people get them for the bulletproof factor and resell value. Subarus lose there value pretty quick conpared to a 4 runner or tacoma
@IronGuardLegionnaire
@IronGuardLegionnaire 2 года назад
Seeing someone put the outback wilderness through its paces outside of a subaru press course was great. Excellent production quality and I hope subaru will loan you out more offroad vehicles in the future for these kinds of tests, far more capable than it looks
@robs6733
@robs6733 2 года назад
The next off road vehicle Subaru makes, will be their first. C'mon man, these are station wagons that are meant for wet pavement.
@IronGuardLegionnaire
@IronGuardLegionnaire 2 года назад
@@robs6733 clearly it is more capable than simply going over wet pavement.
@robs6733
@robs6733 2 года назад
@@IronGuardLegionnaire barely.
@ozzyakiro4734
@ozzyakiro4734 Год назад
@@robs6733 Did we watch the same video? It doesnt have a dedicated super low gear, that's the only thing holding it back. I own one and take it anywhere my jeep can go.
@robs6733
@robs6733 Год назад
@@ozzyakiro4734 yes we watched the same video. All you Subaru guys are the same, "if only it had" excuses. Like I said, it's a station wagon with all wheel drive, and you guys think it's a real 4wd. 🤣
@cycmy1188
@cycmy1188 3 года назад
4 Runner = Serious Adventure Off Roadster Outback = Multi Terrain SUV
@chazerrrr
@chazerrrr 3 года назад
Outback= dirt or paved roads. 4Runner= everything else
@jamespostle6894
@jamespostle6894 3 года назад
@@chazerrrr well clearly the ob can do more than that based on this test.
@blueridgedsia
@blueridgedsia 2 года назад
subaru = junkyard at 88k miles. 4 runner = almost broken in at 188k miles
@liambassitt5919
@liambassitt5919 2 года назад
@@blueridgedsia nah we had a 500k mile outback
@liambassitt5919
@liambassitt5919 2 года назад
@@blueridgedsia also like why is that all you care about? You act as if reliability is the sole concern when buying a car…
@Sirgromulus
@Sirgromulus 3 года назад
Great video as always Ryan. I greatly appreciate your work in taking these vehicles in real life situations that many of us use them in. Far more informative than the reviewers that never venture off the pavement.
@duelinglenses3210
@duelinglenses3210 2 года назад
I've rented 4Runners often while traveling and never fully enjoyed the driving experience or ergonomics. Nice room for extra people and camera gear but not exciting to drive. Bought my son a Crosstrek Sport and was thoroughly impressed with the attention to detail and driving experience. Whether driving canyon roads to the beach or going skiing the Subaru is a very fun and comfortable car to drive.
@singletracksender9021
@singletracksender9021 2 года назад
I had a 4x4 Tacoma a few years ago for work and it was not exactly fun. The seating position was uncompromising and road noise was bad. I definitely respect their pedigree and reliability but man, it’s hard to like one after using it for awhile
@BoleDaPole
@BoleDaPole 2 года назад
4runners are nice if you live on a mountain pass but it's really uncomfortable for longer trips
@gabeah
@gabeah 2 года назад
No doubt, suburbs drive well. then again, one is a car, one is a body on frame truck, so to be expected, especially given the weight difference. The other thing to consider is the 5th gen 4 runner reviewed here was last redesigned in 2011. Pretty crazy it’s a 10 year old model that has only had the most minor changes.
@AP-lh1bq
@AP-lh1bq 3 года назад
Ryan, your channel has become one of the best auto channels on YT.
@adrianw3985
@adrianw3985 3 года назад
I have an Outback and 4Runner... the Outback is an unbeatable road car especially in snow country. The 4Runner is a great off-road machine. The Outback is not a serious off-road machine. The Outback can handle light off-road situations just fine, but that CVT transmission will burn up if you aren't careful. Don't get an Outback and try to follow Jeeps and 4Runners. You will burn and bash it up pretty fast...
@jackrandom4893
@jackrandom4893 3 года назад
My 2018 Outback burned oil. :(
@janoskovacs11
@janoskovacs11 3 года назад
The cvt is updated for the Wilderness. But basically you are right.
@ibrarutta9328
@ibrarutta9328 3 года назад
Do you have the wilderness??
@GS-zc4sk
@GS-zc4sk 3 года назад
No manual option?
@rccr528
@rccr528 3 года назад
Agreed that Outback is unbeatable road car with off road capability. I've had a 2010 for years and a 2019 replacement with no CVT issues whatsoever while towing a boat with the 2010 for years on end. That said the 4Runner is more truck like and it shows off road.
@D_F_L_
@D_F_L_ 3 года назад
This is the first RU-vid video where I’ve seen a 4Runner with the bronze TRD wheels. I’m loving it.
@whydoineedahandle269
@whydoineedahandle269 3 года назад
Mine is black with matte bronze wheels. It looks fucking dope. Wish I could post a picture in here.
@rsscott5672
@rsscott5672 3 года назад
Check out speed academy channel. They've just modified a 4runner and it's awesome
@Whateva67
@Whateva67 3 года назад
I don’t even own a Toyota but I do like the wheels 😊. I would totally put em on an older Hilux diesel if I had one, should have bought a JDM ‘runner while they were cheap here in British Columbia, oh well.
@whydoineedahandle269
@whydoineedahandle269 3 года назад
@@rsscott5672 just watched the whole series. Was awesome. Most impressed by those morimoto head/taillights. Wow
@mre_1911
@mre_1911 2 года назад
Well done Karleena! Great job with the 4Runner and nice video of both of you. Greetings from Austria
@mk27texas
@mk27texas 2 года назад
The more I watch about the wilderness edition, the more I want one! Great video as always!
@adcurds6
@adcurds6 3 года назад
You guys are the best! Thank you so much for this video!!! So well done. Excellent editing and production! As a Subaru sales rep and future Wilderness owner, I value this. I’ve owned a 4Runner and loved it... but for the value and performance....Outback all the way always!🙂
@MeliorIlle
@MeliorIlle 3 года назад
I mean from the start the 4runner is going to have a huge advantage with those tires. That's a huge upgrade.
@nostrilnick
@nostrilnick 3 года назад
Agreed. It was the first thing I changed on my 4R. Toyota really should be selling these with more capable off road tires, but that might cut into sales of the Pro version.
@levskitoronto
@levskitoronto 3 года назад
The Outback tires are Yokohama are Geolander G015's all terrains. Not a slouch tire by any means.
@MeliorIlle
@MeliorIlle 3 года назад
@@levskitoronto Not even comparable to the Falkens. BFG and General ATX are really the only AT that are same aggressiveness.
@mathewscott9453
@mathewscott9453 2 года назад
@@levskitoronto it’s like the least aggressive all terrain tire there is tho
@jarrodmcgahan2709
@jarrodmcgahan2709 2 года назад
Still amazed at how well the outback kept up, even if there was a slight mismatch with the tires, still did amazing.
@seanj3695
@seanj3695 7 месяцев назад
I think one thing people are forgetting is also that the subaru is sort of pushing its limits to do this kind of stuff. Yes you CAN do this with the Subie, and its great that it can handle this kind of stuff from time to time, but... If you did this regularly with your outback it would definitely pop some rivets. Where as the 4Runner is made for this and is not pushing any limits at all.
@kmanter
@kmanter 2 года назад
4Runner forever, I wouldn’t trust anything else, mine has never let me down.
@CourtyardPigeon
@CourtyardPigeon 2 года назад
it will if you swerve quickly.....they are number one in roll over..
@lucsonfrancois6292
@lucsonfrancois6292 2 года назад
Same comment here
@kmanter
@kmanter 2 года назад
@@CourtyardPigeon ANY SUV that you swerve quickly with could roll over, that just common sense. Show me your facts that say it’s the #1 vehicle in 2021 to roll over. Go ahead, I’ll wait….
@kmanter
@kmanter 2 года назад
@@lucsonfrancois6292 same comment here….waiting…
@lucsonfrancois6292
@lucsonfrancois6292 2 года назад
@@kmanter I have a off road one I am planning to keep forever
@sensualeye
@sensualeye 3 года назад
I’m impressed with the Subie! As I live in the city and like a vehicle that I can use to access trails on occasion with no issues I’d go with the Outback.
@flatboxer
@flatboxer 2 года назад
YES
@billg2790
@billg2790 2 года назад
Subaru's are for woke idiots, not outdoorsy people.
@BoleDaPole
@BoleDaPole 2 года назад
Oh no, it's so bad to " awoken" to the problems facing minorities and the LGBTQ community, I'm sure Jeep has only straight white Americans that drive them.. THE HORROR👹
@sensualeye
@sensualeye 2 года назад
@@BoleDaPole I know so many lesbians with Jeeps. I know Bill will be disappointed. And if the worst thing you can call a Subie owner is “woke" I’ll take it. I’m happy past owner of an Impreza Sport and current owner of a 2015 WRX. Call me “Woke as F***”. 😊✌🏾🖖🏾✊🏾⛩🕉
@64kdawg
@64kdawg 3 года назад
You guys are So MUCH better than TFLtrucks, this is unbiased real reviews with real people!
@subazealand9158
@subazealand9158 3 года назад
I hope TFL learns something here...quite few of us don't like their style anymore
@truenorthcarver
@truenorthcarver 2 года назад
I have a 2022 Outback Wilderness and a 2015 4Runner so theses challenges were particularly fun to watch. I think they are both excellent vehicles with their own individual attributes. I would never be doing that level of off-roading. More mud , loose rock and lots of snow where both are very capable. Great videos!
@stevep4236
@stevep4236 Год назад
Which is better for a daily?
@truenorthcarver
@truenorthcarver Год назад
@@stevep4236 with the price of gas probably the Outback😁
@stevep4236
@stevep4236 Год назад
@@truenorthcarver especially when you're in places like CA...lol looking into the outback myself, Thx for replying back
@Anyfantis0
@Anyfantis0 2 года назад
This is exactly the test I was waiting, those are the only modern cars I am interested in, otherwise I'd have to go for an '05 pajero sport, and both outback wildernerness and 4runner trd pro are US-exclusive. Since I am from Europe, well done motor companies, you f us once again
@tiger_powers
@tiger_powers 2 года назад
Same here...wish I could get me a 4runner TRD Offroad over here in Germany - so far my 2018 Forester is holding up well tho when it comes to some more "serious" offroading...hoping to be able to upgrade sometime rather sooner than later
@andersbjrnsen7203
@andersbjrnsen7203 2 года назад
4runner I can live without, a Hilux or Isuzu with a bit of is a good alternative, but that we cannot get the newer turbo engined Subarus here in Norway /EU is just a shame..
@soulknight89
@soulknight89 3 года назад
Very impress with the Outback Wilderness. Can't wait for a few more videos from you on the vehicle.
@dougnyc8324
@dougnyc8324 3 года назад
Great, was looking forward to this, my reflexes hit the thumbs up immediately!
@andrewr1355
@andrewr1355 2 года назад
I really really want a Wilderness Forester. But of course I have had concerns with the CVT. I love the info that was packed into this video
@HaemonAK
@HaemonAK 2 года назад
And here I am with an old F150 just running terrain like this never thinking I shouldn't be able to make it 😂
@BernonCars
@BernonCars 3 года назад
Great way to start my Saturday!
@goneoutside1011
@goneoutside1011 3 года назад
The Outback did well now let’s see the wilderness on TFL with better tires.
@idkwhattonamemyself5513
@idkwhattonamemyself5513 3 года назад
TFL will take it somewhere it can't handle and then complain about it
@vilhelmstein2091
@vilhelmstein2091 3 года назад
Lol they will say it sucks
@vilhelmstein2091
@vilhelmstein2091 3 года назад
They are just haters 😏
@ivannarvaez367
@ivannarvaez367 3 года назад
Subaru doesn’t loan cars to TFL. They don’t want their cars in true off road situations, I guess 🤷‍♂️
@ronh2660
@ronh2660 3 года назад
TFL junior will back it up into a wall in a shopping mall
@AmbuBadger
@AmbuBadger 2 года назад
That CVT is why I’m a “bitter clinger” when it comes to my 2013 Forester. As a great patriot once said, _”From time to time, the Tree of Liberty must be watered with the transmission fluid of CVT-equipped Subies.”_
@jackhoyer7467
@jackhoyer7467 2 года назад
Excellent video! Thanks. Look forward to your off-road videos of the 2022 Subaru Forester Wilderness - hopefully one comparing the Forester Wilderness to the Outback Wilderness.
@Away907
@Away907 3 года назад
Nice review! Finally see some offroad action above somethig any stock prius can do. It's always nice to see cars pushed to their limits.
@eduardocanelada9688
@eduardocanelada9688 3 года назад
That's an engaging comparision, loved those explanations. Well done team!!
@MrPhatties
@MrPhatties 2 года назад
The Subaru: more comfortable, better mileage, cheaper, easier to park, cheaper to insure And it hangs with a trd 4runner on trails that most of it's owners will never endeavor to take on .. And on the tires it came with! Big win in my books. Guaranteed that 4runner gets even worse mileage with that wheel/tire package...
@imnotacrook5298
@imnotacrook5298 2 года назад
Repairing and maintaining the Subaru would be cheaper and easier most likely.
@MrPhatties
@MrPhatties 2 года назад
@@imnotacrook5298 way cheaper - but you probably won't have to repair much on the Toyota ☺️
@alichaudhry12
@alichaudhry12 2 года назад
That 4 Runner has a bullet proof rep not to mention you hardly lose any money when you sell it might even make a profit these days...if the Subaru reliability is close to the Toyota it should be a no brainer for most...
@Flying_Dollar_Motorsports
@Flying_Dollar_Motorsports 2 года назад
Not to mention the 4Runner has a live rear axle so it would have significantly more articulation for off road traction.
@Soh90
@Soh90 3 года назад
That second course…….. the Outback handled it like a champ. That was NOT and easy course.
@ismaelsandoval9240
@ismaelsandoval9240 3 года назад
did not expect it to make it
@vedder10
@vedder10 3 года назад
@@ismaelsandoval9240 I didn't either. I was sure that with the stock tires it was going to fail.
@robs6733
@robs6733 2 года назад
Yeah, it was pathetic how much it took to make it though.
@Soh90
@Soh90 2 года назад
@@robs6733 I wouldn’t call it “pathetic”. All things considered, the Outback is a car posing as an SUV. So with stock tires and a CVT that cripples it due to its lack of a low-range gear. Getting up that corse was pretty gnarly. There’s some CUVs that can’t do that.
@IronGuardLegionnaire
@IronGuardLegionnaire 2 года назад
@@robs6733 for a wagon it was fucking great lmao
@whafrog
@whafrog 3 года назад
I'm surprised how the Outback did, certainly would handle anything I would throw at it.
@edwardlaw797
@edwardlaw797 3 года назад
Outback huge interior quiet ride and safety features including near autonomous driving I used in traffic daily it’s a no brainer. It’s the only car I don’t get tired after 10 hrs. Audi Q7, xc90 in comparison. 4 runner is a truck, period. I’ll get one if I off-road more than 50 percent. Check the spec of outback rear leg room and head space vs ANY VEHICLE!
@vedder10
@vedder10 3 года назад
@@edwardlaw797 Absolutely 100% correct. As someone who purchased an Outback Onyx edition last year I considered the 4runner but ultimately gas mileage, and 4runners lack of blind spot monitoring did it for me.
@taraaaron1242
@taraaaron1242 3 года назад
Really, it showed that subaru is a joke off road. Now imagine it loaded with gear , along with your family that 4runners and jeeps tend to haul.. This thing was loaded and had problems. They just need to get rid of cvt or make more Manual transmission. If they are concerned about gas, then make a more efficient engine. But honestly I did harder stuff than that this weekend in my gladiator ecodiesel, and it gets better mpg than both , has more torqe, more room, and latest tech and comfort., ps, I pulled one out of sand at Lopez lake sunday.lol.
@whafrog
@whafrog 3 года назад
@@taraaaron1242 Sure, but it depends what you want it for. I'm not going "off roading", so it's more than enough, and better than expected.
@Darion350
@Darion350 3 года назад
@@taraaaron1242 Jeeps are basically purpose-built for off-roading. Subarus are made for every-day driving with off-road capabilities. Not everyone likes the utilitarian styling of the Jeep, and that's fine. The Jeep is also a lot more expensive, so that's a consideration. My Forester Sport has done an amazing job with everything I've thrown at it, including driving in snow up to the bumpers. I will agree that the CVT is a weak-point, but as far as CVT's go, it's actually pretty good.
@luiscastillo8416
@luiscastillo8416 Год назад
I like this channel a lot it reminds of the weekends power block they show that use to be on tv.
@johnparrish336
@johnparrish336 2 года назад
Enjoyed the video and comparison. Thanks for posting.
@gagd7351
@gagd7351 3 года назад
Impressed by the subie! If i would be going for a full off-road adventure/project i'd choose the toyota of course. But If i'd just be an off-road&camping adventure amateur i'd go for the subie for sure.
@Databyter
@Databyter 3 года назад
Finally somebody who gets it.
@frankish5314
@frankish5314 2 года назад
@@Databyter yup and what was the 4runner rated at.. 17mpg?
@jpc3984
@jpc3984 2 года назад
Yeah my only beef with the outback wilderness is it really expensive for The fact that it’s still doesn’t have a normal automatic transmission, no real four-wheel-drive. Subarus thing is being cheap but capable enough, the outback is capable but not cheap.
@frankish5314
@frankish5314 2 года назад
@@jpc3984 Yes and honestly those CVT's scare me. I don't think I'm ready to trust my $40k on something that might hand grenade and leave me stranded 1000 miles away from home.
@Databyter
@Databyter 2 года назад
@@frankish5314 The Wilderness Drivetrain is warrantied for 6 years or 60,000 miles. Subaru is standing behind their new CVT. This is the CVT used in the Ascent which is tow rated for 5,000 lbs. If your gonna have CVT problems for your usage, chances are you will have them within that Warranty period. That is huge and worth 40K in my opinion. Databyter
@pipote90
@pipote90 3 года назад
Finally watching! from Chile! 🇨🇱
@hsarhsaw2240
@hsarhsaw2240 2 года назад
Wow I really like the style of the video y’all made.
@timanderson6111
@timanderson6111 Год назад
Another excellent video. Ryan. I really like the addition of an unexperienced driver. Kudos! Itsa 10!
@danielnormandeau2393
@danielnormandeau2393 3 года назад
You definitely showed at the end of the video that driving skill and experience has as much to do with off roading as the vehicle. So yes crawl control is a cool trick.
@wootwoot5032
@wootwoot5032 3 года назад
The fact that a Subaru is even keeping pace with a 4Runner blows my mind.
@717UT
@717UT 3 года назад
It's because the 4Runner is soft.
@wootwoot5032
@wootwoot5032 3 года назад
@@717UT lol
@veganpotterthevegan
@veganpotterthevegan 3 года назад
As someone that off-roads his subaru a lot in Utah, it's not really keeping up. It definitely could on these trails though. I'm disappointed they picked Geolander tires for the car.
@717UT
@717UT 3 года назад
@@veganpotterthevegan Tires can completely change the characteristics of nearly any vehicle. Sometimes with my WJ, I wish I had bought a set of MTs before I ever lifted it and just drove the heck out of it. Now I have a small lift and 31" MTs and I can go way more places than I ever imagined. 33s here I come!
@veganpotterthevegan
@veganpotterthevegan 3 года назад
@@717UT I love only having a 1" lift and tires that just barely fit. The low center of gravity makes up for a lot of my Forester's shortcomings
@griffinballard8763
@griffinballard8763 2 года назад
Appreciate the content! So FUN and informative!!
@J32839
@J32839 2 года назад
Great video and comparison. You guys have an awesome job...
@TheDGeneration
@TheDGeneration 3 года назад
Even though it seems like an odd comparison, it’s a solid test for the Outback to compete with a BoF off road SUV. Great vid!
@johnfarel3152
@johnfarel3152 3 года назад
In these tests the Subaru kept up with the 4-runner and did quite well and I thought the challenges were very difficult. It’s still not as capable obviously but it seems like it’s a significantly better than a basic outback or forester. Very impressive.
@MemphisMojo15s
@MemphisMojo15s 2 года назад
The Outback did remarkable, end of story
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 Год назад
My Forester Touring with a 2 inch lift from Ironman 4X4 and the Falken Wildpeaks can do as much as a Forester Wilderness. Sadly you can no longer get skid plates from Subaru. Ralitek had the best skid plates on the market, (my opinion). But for any serious off roading (if you don’t have a Wilderness trim), you’ll need to install an additional engine and transmission cooler. My wife will Not let me take her Outback on anything more than light off roading (like her parents’ 3 mile long driveway in MT), but she’s ok when I do a bit more in my Forester. For serious off roading, we take our 4X4 pickup.
@tomsonntag6769
@tomsonntag6769 2 года назад
Thanks for all your testing and giving such useful information! We had fallen in love with Subaru when on vacation in the US 3 years ago. When back in Germany we actually bought a Subaru Outback of our own and have been very satisfied with until now. However, it will be in 2022 only when we'll start "offroading" (a 4 months and 10,000 mile trip around the US, mainly in the North and South West). Unluckily, we are at loss which AT tires to purchase. We intend to just medium level/difficulty offroad tours, but you never know - better safe than sorry. Any suggestion as to what tires would serve our purpose best? General Tire Grabber AT3? YOKOHAMA G003? BF Goodrich Al-Ter? UNIGRIP LA-AT? We have honestly no idea. Thanks and regards from Germany
@donnycraft869
@donnycraft869 4 месяца назад
I like the General Grabber ATx
@offroadyaris5257
@offroadyaris5257 2 года назад
Good back and forth with the two hosts on this video.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 года назад
Watching from Europe!
@TheShootersBay
@TheShootersBay 3 года назад
So!
@T.e.d.d.y.
@T.e.d.d.y. 3 года назад
Roller slip test of both would be nice!
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 года назад
@@T.e.d.d.y. I doubt I can find these cars, 4Runner is not offered in Europe. Outback is available but not in Wilderness version.
@windirwindir4518
@windirwindir4518 3 года назад
to polecam 4runner TRD PRO do testu tam w Polsce. Kupilem w tym roku i jestem mega zadowolony tylko wyzsze modele wranglera w terenie sa lepsze
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 года назад
@@windirwindir4518 Super, skąd dokładnie jesteś? Jeśli masz możliwość, to zapraszam do kontaktu przez Facebooka albo gdzieś u mnie na kanale 🙂
@tyslogcon
@tyslogcon 3 года назад
Love the video, I'm so excited for my Wilderness, it's coming in the next few weeks. I haven't decided if I'm going to get the two extra skid plates for the differentials, did you find that they came in handy during this? Did they prevent any scraping?
@ninja83187
@ninja83187 3 года назад
It’s for them to be scraped vs what they are covering your soft bits…per say
@Databyter
@Databyter 3 года назад
It's only $600 for a vehicle that costs 40K. I would personally do it because I WILL and HAVE taken my Subarus off the beaten path and always have to be super careful. And even with skid plates you will still have to be careful, but it should help a lot and give you advance warning of problems in your line. Databyter
@TheIndigenaut
@TheIndigenaut 11 месяцев назад
Nice, thanks for the insightful tips. Just bought a 2023 Wilderness and I am incredibly satisfied with it "out of the box". And FYI, I'm a 25 year veteran of the Old Dale District running over that terrain with 3 generations of Toyotas!
@tjadventures9163
@tjadventures9163 2 года назад
I went back and forth for a few months between Outback and 4 runner. I bought the Outback XT and very happy I did. I live in Nevada and go off on trails for hiking and mountain biking. Longs drives are more enjoyable with the Outback vs my SUV I had.
@menifo4334
@menifo4334 3 года назад
That's one of your greatest tests. The trails were extremely challenging and daring. Well done people!
@CarnutMM
@CarnutMM 3 года назад
That 4Runner with those TRD bronze wheels is sheer beauty. Great video.
@brianadunlap
@brianadunlap 2 года назад
Does he have a video detailing the wheels and tires?
@CyndiGabe
@CyndiGabe 2 года назад
Great video! Thank you for making this
@jadewulf3625
@jadewulf3625 2 года назад
Excellent review ! You are a great team !
@subazealand9158
@subazealand9158 3 года назад
Awesome review as always! Greetings from New Zealand! Crazy how a good review, unbiased gives also positive comments. If TFL would have done this review, the comments here would be just from the people who had experienced bad things with the CVT, and it won't be much positive comments.
@Databyter
@Databyter 3 года назад
Those guys are mad at Subaru, and whether they admit it or not are baised. They are also really into Jeeps and compare everything to hard duty technical offroading. And they think their ownership of a Crosstrek makes them immune to this criticism. Databyter
@GirlAndStarlighters
@GirlAndStarlighters 3 года назад
As a Seattle-ite, I have a major bias in favor of Subaru, and this video only validates my opinion
@Stevespecs
@Stevespecs 6 месяцев назад
Having had both, I think they are both great vehicles, but as far as longevity, nothing beats a 4 runner
@mihcaoja1
@mihcaoja1 2 года назад
Love these videos, thanks !
@Adrian-jh5cr
@Adrian-jh5cr 3 года назад
Much respect for the subaru's but let be honest that 4Runner is made for strictly off-roading and it was not even driven to its full potential. Toyota for the win.
@housco11
@housco11 3 года назад
Subaru is a comfortable safe AWD vehicle. However that outback with the same kind of tires as on the 4 runner may perform a little better for the intended test. We know. Subaru hasn't built a real 4x4 suv yet. Up to now It's an excellent AWD.
@Adrian-jh5cr
@Adrian-jh5cr 3 года назад
@@housco11 your right is it a good vehicle nothing taken but... it is still not a full 4x4 meaning that in a tight situation would you take a Subaru out in the wild country hunting probably not. Most will have a truck or real 4x4 they just have different suspensions longer travel better shocks etc.. I'd take the Subaru to the beach though... they actually nice... just like the toyotas better
@pablomaximilianogomezaguir7659
@pablomaximilianogomezaguir7659 3 года назад
@@Adrian-jh5cr I agree with you in some points, and I think one of the weak points of the Outback is low travel due to independent suspension front and back, but the Subi with better tires a lift and suspension has a lot to offer. Having said that, more often than not, the driver makes a lot of difference, as seen in the video on the following link ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_RafVwMjOKY.html I own a 2004 Legacy but I wouldn't buy an Outback to do off road (for overlanding perhaps) I own an old Jeep for off road and a 426 Unimog for mix off road and some work.
@Adrian-jh5cr
@Adrian-jh5cr 3 года назад
@@pablomaximilianogomezaguir7659 Your right I have seen them do some pretty cool stuff i saw one that was lifted and had KO2s on it did very well.
@pablomaximilianogomezaguir7659
@pablomaximilianogomezaguir7659 2 года назад
@@Adrian-jh5cr Yeah properly equipped they can do a lot, considering they are AWD and have independent suspension, there's a guy here on RU-vid that travels around on a lifted forester with Ko2s and it does pretty well.
@cancel.lgbtq.6892
@cancel.lgbtq.6892 3 года назад
Both of these vehicles are more likely to see Starbucks drive thru than off road trail ....
@pauldenali6367
@pauldenali6367 3 года назад
I think that's true of an awful lot of AWD vehicles too.
@xaviervee4462
@xaviervee4462 3 года назад
@@pauldenali6367 and most 4WD vehicles
@james-p
@james-p 2 года назад
Interesting comparo. I was expecting the 4Runner to trounce, but the Subie did quite well (and I own an Outback). For "heavy lifting," I'd still pick the 4Runner, but for more moderate adventures combined with daily driving, the Subaru looks to be a fine choice as well.
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 Год назад
My wife’s Outback stays on the road. My Forester Touring can do mild to moderate off roading, but for the serious fun we take our 4X4 pickup
@wes326
@wes326 2 года назад
Would be nice if you could adjust the lift on the Outback electronically, so you could keep the good gas mileage, a major plus. Like the strengthened roof rack for RTTs and the optional skid plates.
@liron000
@liron000 3 года назад
TFL should watch this to learn how to drive a Subaru off road
@js-dz5bs
@js-dz5bs 3 года назад
Oh don't get me started on them LOL
@TFLtruck
@TFLtruck 3 года назад
You’re correct with a Subaru off-road we’re about as confused as a fart in a fan factory 💨😜
@theburntbanana9875
@theburntbanana9875 3 года назад
Those clowns are bound and determined to drag subarus name through the mud
@H3YB33ZY
@H3YB33ZY 3 года назад
They are clowns
@haroldbeauchamp3770
@haroldbeauchamp3770 3 года назад
@@theburntbanana9875 Subaru drags itself through the mud by itself. Doesn’t need any help.
@trailrunnah8886
@trailrunnah8886 3 года назад
I'm actually really impressed with the Subaru. I knew the 4Runner would handle all these with ease, also great choice on the new tires and wheels, I love that color combo. But I did not think the Subaru would do as well as it did. Really, unless you're regularly doing trails this difficult or harder, the Subaru is a great choice, because it (probably) does literally everything else better than the 4Runner, and is much easier, comfortable, and economical to live with. (I have a 5th gen 4Runner with all terrains, BTW, and I drive with a light foot and do mostly highway at 70 mph or under, and I typically get about 20.5 MPG with it) That said, I wouldn't buy a Subaru, because I don't like their engines, and I'm still not sold on the CVT. If they ever get around to updating their engines and putting in say an 8 or 10 speed auto, I'd be a potential customer.
@wildbill23c
@wildbill23c 2 года назад
The engines and the CVT keeps me away from Subaru as well....or at least if they'd offer a manual transmission they might get my interest but the CVT in itself keeps me away. They're cars are capable in certain models like the Outback Wilderness, its not 4x4 rock crawling vehicle of course but for most of us who just drive down some gravel and dirt backroads to a camping spot occasionally, the Subaru would be a great fit for those duties, as well as snow/ice.
@somethingelse9535
@somethingelse9535 2 года назад
@@wildbill23c Without those engines, they wouldnt be subarus, so its kind of an oxymoron. Absolutely nothing wrong with them.
@wildbill23c
@wildbill23c 2 года назад
@@somethingelse9535 Nothing wrong with them other than the fact they still have the same power outputs they've had for what 20+ years...although good for snow/ice as they don't have as much power to just sit there and spin the wheels like today's high horsepower/torque crossovers do. They had issues with overheating and cylinder head warping did they fix those problems in the newer models? I think those were issues in the early to mid-2000's? They've come quite a ways with their CVT's as shown in some recent videos with the Wilderness models.
@somethingelse9535
@somethingelse9535 2 года назад
@@wildbill23c The only real issue with them were the 2.5L NA motors from 2002 to around 2005 with head gaskets. Which at worst was a gradual thing, not a leave you stranded fault. (the fix is to use the gasket from the Turbo model). Otherwise Subarus are extremely reliable. If you want a modern car with old used forever motor designs, try Toyota. There's a reason Toyota and Subaru stick with a design.
@wildbill23c
@wildbill23c 2 года назад
@@somethingelse9535 I've been eying the new Subaru Outback Wilderness lately. I wanted a Ford Maverick AWD Fx4 but they're so backed up with orders, and I'm not all that fond of a turbo replacing a larger displacement engine LOL. So the Outback Wilderness might find itself in the driveway in the next year or so.
@danielmiller6983
@danielmiller6983 Год назад
That 4Runner is definitely the benchmark. I can’t believe how well that Subaru did. I just picked up a 2018 outback with the 3.6R. It’s really a great vehicle
@forkthepork
@forkthepork Год назад
What kind of fuel economy do you get in the outback? Looking to replace my wife's Legacy, and weighing economy vs power for occasional trips to Utah and Colorado.
@notidentified4031
@notidentified4031 Год назад
I have a ‘13 Outback with the 6. Thinking of trading it in for a new Outback.
@danielmiller6983
@danielmiller6983 Год назад
@@forkthepork I get between 23.7 and 24mpg combined. It’s a pretty big vehicle with a pretty powerful flat six. So it’s actually not too bad. The lack of high mpg is definitely worth that extra power
@MamboFerido
@MamboFerido 2 года назад
I have a 2020 Forester and I love it. I don’t do a lot of off roading but I do wish to do it more. My pick is the Outback since I’ll probably use it more as a daily/ family car than an off roader. But I must say 4runner has been my dream to have and honestly I’m rooting for it but the fuel economy is going to be a big deal for me.
@mpetrides
@mpetrides 3 года назад
Cool! Once again, the Subie is amazingly impressive, especially given the less-than-comparable tires.
@haroldbeauchamp3770
@haroldbeauchamp3770 3 года назад
It’s very impressive. It only needed 1 quart of oil to top it off this time. And the cvt went out on his way back home instead of on the trail. Very impressive indeed.
@Databyter
@Databyter 3 года назад
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 that you need to make stuff up and lie to make your points is enlightening.
@Databyter
@Databyter 3 года назад
Actually this model uses smaller rims and taller tires designed to hold more air, that can be aired down, which makes a TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE when going over rocks and stumps. The tire deforms over the obstacle and grabs it like a glove. I get why reviewers don't air down, but people going over challenging roads do, and carry either a small air tank or an electric pump with them to re-air at the highway. It really makes a big difference and most serious AT or AT light tires are designed to be aired down with less chance of slipping a bead. Databyter
@Kiss__Kiss
@Kiss__Kiss 3 года назад
Yep this is exactly what I've been waiting for... (Rubbing my hands together) Lets get to it!!! lol
@user-ev7qk2pz2e
@user-ev7qk2pz2e 3 года назад
Very good review. Keep up the good work
@cjmarquart8168
@cjmarquart8168 2 года назад
Subaru has had me thoroughly impressed as of late. Their attention to detail and everyday focusing is great. I'm bummed they didn't put the turbo in the Forester Wilderness, or bring back the XT, but I'm sure it's on the horizon now that Foresters have taken over as the top sales vehicle for them.
@AltonTorres
@AltonTorres 2 года назад
The wilderness is turbo charged
@PrisonMike117
@PrisonMike117 2 года назад
@@AltonTorres that’s what I thought too
@josephwillig8561
@josephwillig8561 2 года назад
Not the forester wilderness
@josephwillig8561
@josephwillig8561 2 года назад
Not the forester Wilderness only the Outback
@EJGentleman
@EJGentleman 2 года назад
Nice comparison and good review. Crawl control would be a very nice add to the Wilderness. I wonder if it could be a software update, since most of the mechanical items are in place.
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 Год назад
A Crawl in the Wilderness would be great. I’m sure Subaru could do it with a program. Perhaps they’ll do it down the road
@mikethompson7406
@mikethompson7406 2 года назад
Thanks for confirming my decision that I still want to trade in my 2" spacer lifted 2018 Outback 3.6 for a 6th gen 4Runner when they finally come out. Toyota fanboy here. The Outback certainly has done a better than expected job on trails but I just want that 4Runner, can't afford the gas on the current one.
@danc1662
@danc1662 2 года назад
Definitely curious how the Outback would perform if you used the Wildpeaks and what about lowering the air pressure a bit? 33psi seems a tad high for those situations and 33psi would hold up better if they were the same tires vs those Geolanders.
@larryrussell7406
@larryrussell7406 4 месяца назад
I have a 2022 Outback Wilderness. I would not trade it in for anything. Good fuel economy, turbo, and pretty capable AWD. I have taken my Subaru to gnarlier places than in this video. No sweat. Almost 3ft of snow, deep mud and severe grades. Love this channel, great content.
@MKNYC_
@MKNYC_ 3 года назад
I really wish Subaru would've spent their time developing an auto transmission instead of throwing their CVT into everything. The CVT was the biggest reason why I got rid of my Crosstrek (that and it's horrible power out put). Got into a WRX and it's great, but when it's time to grow up and get a family car, it's probably going to be a Toyota.
@JasonPMcElroy
@JasonPMcElroy 3 года назад
Agree but offer this counterpoint: I just sold my Outback 3.6R due to concerns with frequent towing and the CVT (had one replaced under warranty). Bought a 4Runner and took it on a trip last week with the camper. The five-speed AT was hunting constantly so I had to use manual select mode. It was still a compromise and loud getting over Sonora Pass in 2nd and 3rd gear. The gearing was truly annoying compared to the CVT. Never thought I'd say this about the CVT. Still glad to not have the mechanical hassles of our Subaru though.
@johnd8971
@johnd8971 3 года назад
This. Woedul CVT and under powered engine killed the cross-trek. Disappointing that the CVT is not going away.
@pepehands8224
@pepehands8224 3 года назад
The CVT is horrible on the crosstreks especially the 1st gen. That and the gutless 2.0 is the reason why I'm selling mine soon. The only good thing about these cars is that they hold their value extremely well especially in the north east.
@djxpress
@djxpress 3 года назад
@@pepehands8224 the new Crosstreks have the option for bigger engine/more HP
@parallelpost
@parallelpost 3 года назад
Crosstrek is great for doordashing. You know, potholes, paved asphalt street hills and the ocassional gps mapping thru an unpaved rural road on a long dried up lake bed with rain divots.
@rkon02
@rkon02 3 года назад
Thanks Ryan for a great review!! I’ve been waiting for The Wilderness and you just demonstrated that it has more capabilities than I’ll ever need. Subaru has hit a home run with this.
@leslieangus47
@leslieangus47 2 года назад
Mine arrives on July 13th, been waiting since early May!😀
@scottmiller1956
@scottmiller1956 2 года назад
Just got mine last Monday. CANNOT wait to hit the Rockies this fall!
@JustDriving4K
@JustDriving4K 3 года назад
Very good video, thanks for sharing it, keep it up !!
@beaublanchard9225
@beaublanchard9225 3 года назад
I'm sure the 4runner is the superior performer but it really invalidates any comparison when the tires on the 4runner are significantly better. Why bother if you're not keeping things equal where you can?
@robs6733
@robs6733 2 года назад
Do you really think tires would have made this any closer?
@marcymcsheehan3579
@marcymcsheehan3579 2 года назад
@@robs6733 Would you like to play basketball in High heels vs playing in Basketball shoes? Put snow tires on the Outback, and Off Road tires on the 4Runner and then lets do a street run on 6 inches of snow and see which one handles better?
@Asientabs
@Asientabs 2 года назад
Idk why but Subaru never gets a Fair game. Always needs to stand up against 4x4s or clearly more off-road capable cars... Subaru should get compared to Audi quattro,Volvo Cross country and so on.
@ToyotaNutjob
@ToyotaNutjob 2 года назад
@@marcymcsheehan3579 dude you literally could put fucking highway tires and steelies on the 4runner and it would still walk over the subiewooo in mud or rocks
@marcymcsheehan3579
@marcymcsheehan3579 2 года назад
@@ToyotaNutjob Cite your source..
@henryfeng1994
@henryfeng1994 3 года назад
Based on your comments about the going up roots: “No bark, No bite!”
@mz6187
@mz6187 3 года назад
I was looking to buy a 4Runner but found a used 2018 Outback Limited for $20k with low miles and clean title. Currently waiting on Toyo at3 tires and 2” lift kit on it 🤷🏽‍♂️.
@jaloladdinmatnazarov5605
@jaloladdinmatnazarov5605 2 года назад
Really have been waiting
@tomrobinson7393
@tomrobinson7393 2 года назад
GREAT review!
@jim_mccall
@jim_mccall 3 года назад
Just bought a 2021 TRD Off-Road Premium. Loving it so far. Need to find some winter tires and wheels for our deep snow in the snow belt where 20" over night is not that uncommon.
@gnfanatic9139
@gnfanatic9139 Год назад
Jim, Toyo Open Country ATIII are incredible. I had them on my 4runner and so do several other friends. I would drive 1200 mile trips with them , no noise either.
@MartyMeyerdierks
@MartyMeyerdierks 3 года назад
Great comparison! Outback Wilderness was impressive more than capable for most people but, man, 4Runner Off-Road is unfairly better and so composed.
@robertrangel09
@robertrangel09 Год назад
Awesome content... I was and still trying to decide between the outback wilderness edition and the 4 runner 40th edition. ..... subscribed
@tobiaswillson5900
@tobiaswillson5900 Год назад
at the end of the day the subaru is a car and the toyota is a truck . your choice
@LeeMims
@LeeMims 2 года назад
I own 2 vehicles. A 5th Gen 4Runner and and a 2020 Outback XT Onyx. This was a satisfying video knowing both can perform well. My 4Runner is my tow vehicle and offroader, and the Outback is a great road tripper for everything else. Really two different tools for two different purposes. I enjoy driving the Outback on roads and gravel roads more, and 4Runner makes easy work on the harder stuff with a locker and 4LO.
@bash6519
@bash6519 Год назад
The wilderness and 4Runner have the same tow cap of 3500lbs I believe.
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