2023 Civic Type R vs 2022 Civic Si | Motor Blows on Track! 

Lol

Man's salty that Jason can probably just ask for a Honda for MSRP and it'll be given to no questions asked

@@Hondaddy nah just the way he talks comes across as rude when he interacts with other people.

He's not a pro of anything, I threw some curve balls at him about Honda info from the past, guy was clueless. He's just a marketing gimmick.

@@YasssStitch I took it as him being a PR guy, he's not familiar with having fans. He's way too up his own ass about things. Watching the video with him and Spoon techs installing rigid collars was agonizing to see him try and squeeze in wherever he can. Doesn't even look confident around tools.

We can make the L15 hold over 300whp stock motors as well, as you mentioned its done simply by applying tuning strategies to limit the torque…but what’s the fun in that? Lol Heres why we believe the new gen is weaker, we have been modifying the 10th gens since 2016 and have had both our 2017 Si make way more torque & Hp than this 11th gen and they lasted. The reason larger turbo doesn’t blow as easily is because often times they are moving the powerband (certain drop-ins will make the trq a bigger problem). The way we see it, why limit ourselves this motor went out boosting 30+ lbs 😂 . We knew this would happen (just a matter of time) but we wanted to share it with the world, since with our 10th gen R&D was typically kept to ourselves. We already have proven 10th gen engine building recipes to handle 450whp and a 800+ on our drag engine package (that once was a ticking 💥 but the custom rods seem to be doing the trick). We are also currently working on a 11th gen solution which will be announced in time.

@@thefoatmedia have yall ever thought about maybe too much oil sloshing?

@@thefoatmedia What failed? Head gasket? Cracked cylinder sleeve? What damage was there? Rod knock, threw a rod, piston ring lands? What showed on the data logs?

@@jok3yjesu339 There are literally so many factors that can make an engine fail. Only a disassembly and data logs will tell. Otherwise it’s just guessing.

@@weduhpeople8504 Yes, all the above. It's a L15, pick anyone on of those and all at of them at the same time.

Right, good to know not to go full bolt ons on the FE1.

thats why the 10th gen Si is better. 100K miles on my tuned e85 Si and beat the piss out of it daily and not a single issue. The 11th gen rods are worse.

Kind of, but the car made more power without nitrous. So that didn’t affect it as much as you’d think. Now the tuning after and prototype turbo helping us make well over 300hp, that’s got something to do with it lol. The crazy part is, we’ve made more power for longer in our 10th gens on stock motors.

@@user-hh4hc2lt6e yep. Literally taking an L getting an L15 car. I know I did. Terrible engine for sure

@@d0mochi I had zero issues with mine and I was fbo and beat the shit out of it. Almost every person I've seen that blew up their L15 was tuned on Hondata and not Ktuner

@@walahmelons5504 no issues on mine either. It’s a hatch l15ba which has the weaker 59b rods. Fbo, e30 gtx2860r but I’m not gonna pretend the platform is great.

That’s cap. Anyone that really knows cars understands it doesn’t matter what engine management was used. Also the ktuner fan boys just looked out for eachother and never shared when they blow and they only exploited Hondata users. We’ve seen plenty of L15 owners blow there motors and although it’s engine management is irrelevant, it’s equally between Ktuner / Hondata users. There’s way too many variables and lack of taking accountability to truly blame 1 company for things blowing. I’ve heard it all “I don’t beat on my car”, yet their IG shows them doing antilag every night. 😂

@@thefoatmedia lol yep. I use ktuner cause I like the screen but would have no problem jumping ship to flashpro. Fan boys are the worst

That’s what happens when you modify a 1.5 stock block. Tuners only works with what they are given. Honda skimped out.

Yes this was known but we just wanted to see how long it would last. It didn’t last long aha

Also thank you for watching!

8th gen coupe here ..damn near 300k still running strong lol

The best thing I ever did was sell my 19 si. That motor beyond sucks. I went coyote with boost and been boosted for 40k on the stock motor over 700whp. it cost less to buy the stang and boost then to buy the si and mod it to 350whp.

@@Hardwaretuned wow great comment. Glad to hear you are where you are with the stang. Ican't wait to get rid if my Si LOL

same - yet ive ripped it out of the box to 120mph constantly, this was a fluke

Still a great car but ultimately if you want the best reliability, leave your car stock or be prepared to pay to play.

He’s not a bad dude, but he did have a “I got the new Type R, I’m better than your Si” attitude here, which he should have that attitude because he did have the orange Si when he began being HPJ.

@@claudio_wrx he’s like this in real life. Met him on few occasions.

Same bro. Basic bolt ons for me.

Yup bro lol I wouldn’t even go flex fuel

Same here man! I’m not trying to beat scats packs in my civic! I just got a bigger intercooler with charge pipes , Intake, bigger exhaust, and a ktuner with the TSP tune. No issue whatever and I’ve had these mods for 20k+ miles! Super happy with my 10th Gen!

Stick to that. I already blew my Si engine.

@@XGen_23 what tune?

@@BrandonKyle7 TSP Tune

@@XGen_23what were all your mods?

I agree. Curious to see what failed.

@@chrish8487 a rod. That's what an engine window is. A rod out the block. The e85 and bigger turbo is what did it.

@@jrkustomz5538 I could see a rod giving out, especially with higher torque at lower RPM.

Stock turbo. We swapped back and detuned. The 10th gens definitely lasted at this power level compared to everything we’ve done with the 11th gen. We will be tearing apart soon.

Mk8 GTI here, loving the thing with some simple bolt ons. Just waiting for a tune

@@A_Guy123 Downpipe and stage 2 is the best upgrade! I am actually IS38 now, that will be your next step... It becomes a monster when you are pushing it, but when cruising it's like a normal car. 98k miles on my GTI since 2016 (360 whp) a modest hp number, people go crazy and tune them to 400+hp.

i mean, most people won't be pounding it on track like they did here.

@@ciello___8307 you are right as well... 👍🏾

Lots of variables. As always, we recommend if you’re concerned about reliability and warranty don’t modify your car. Even then you’re still not safe, that’s why we have Lemon Laws. Lol

the best SI was the 10th gen!!

Nah it’s the 8th gen 😅

@@Bbc418 that’s laughable

@@Bbc418 nah I had a 10th and it’s 8th. 10th just has good creature comforts over the 8th. 8th is better in over other way minus torque lol but that’s why we boost them

Nah its the 9th gen

Gr 86 has many other issues right now with blowing up. I'm mean it's a Subaru motor 🤷

Get another car

Same. I'm thinking of Hyundai N because of that if it's going to blow might as well have fun instead of L15s.

Same. About to hit 100k on my 08 coupe. It’s been my daily since 2009.

I had an Acura rsx type s, awesome car. No issues. I drove the $%#@ out of that car on a daily basis. Sold it ( kids) with 256k. Will miss it's character

@@fhowland my 08’s got 94k on it

Don’t feel bad, We don’t. This is all part of the game. The 8th gen is a great car. We sold one a few years back. What’s done to it?

The Si race car uses the stock motor and does just fine lol. This dude tuned the hell out of his Si with full bolt ons, nitrous, and E85. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner

It was a matter of time. FYI Si race cars definitely mess up too, some just don’t share it. This is racing. Race, break, repeat.

I agree that any stock sports car is amazing to drive.

You will not be CARB compliant. You will have to go to a referee station. Waste of time.

@@dougritter429 he can put a K20C1 and be CARB compliant, since he’ll still technically have a Civic engine

I still think Honda should have just done a 2.0t K20C in the Si. Just put a smaller turbo on it so it doesn't compete directly with the Type-R. But I think Honda is sand bagging the Si hard by putting a weaker 1.5t in it.

thats because the shitty sport has the weakest rods out of all the L15's

Were you running regular gas.

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@@thefoatmedia Please film every aspect, and give us your thoughts on what role the previous turbo played in the failure.

Hondas went to shit recently. I worked at a dealer the cvt's are killing themselves at 50k the 1.5t's are blowing up. The new accord is hideous (2023 model hybrid only shit can)

@@lennytate4246 It boggles my mind why manufacturers choose these transmissions, especially Honda. To make it worse some even put a tow rating on these things. They have single handedly ruined the reputation of various manufacturers.

This specific vehicle was running nitrous prior to having issues.

@@ROBMACDUI Thank you for Clarifying that fact!

@@RoadKiller114 if only the base sedan had the manual option…………..

We have 2 10th gens, so we definitely knew this was bound to happen, unless it’s build properly. It seems that the 11th gen is weaker.

What do you have now?

Could be right but what's your justification for saying that? Other dude just claimed it's weaker than the 10th gen after testing...wait for it...one 11th gen engine. You both seem very credible. You do realize that Honda didn't intend for you pretend to be engineers, as is typical with your demographic.

@@RAY_FILET bro these engines are ass, I don’t know what to tell you

Thanks for your continued feedback. We have extensive knowledge and R&D behind these motors and built correctly the L15 can be made to hold lots of power. Our L15 10th gen engine package is rated for 450hp. The oil dilution was actually only a problem for certain areas and the Honda recall fixed that several years ago in the 10th gen. So that hasn’t been an issue for quite some time. Your “not made to be modded” statement still hold true because Honda built this for economy but we aren’t worried about breaking. We decided there’s more value in sharing our experience/ knowledge with all of you. Which is why with this build we are being more transparent and going through every phase (even though we know what it takes to just make lots of power). Thanks for watching and feel free to always reach out.

@@thefoatmedia If you have knowledge, your engine would not have blown up. Just buy a CTR.

@@dougritter429 lol. Good one.

Yeah, blindly throwing $ at an econobox is stupid. Just buy a real sports car. Si is tuned to save gas from the factory. Stock internals are not forged.

Lol great guess. Hope you still watched it.

What’s hilarious is you think it’s a lot of power. We build these little 1.5T to easily handle over 500hp reliably. Be sure to subscribe and thanks for watching.

That’s exactly why we buy them. We got two 10th gens when they first came out and our R&D plays a key role with developing that platform.

Lol but if you watch the videos we say the motors won’t last of you start pushing them

Add over 50% more power and torque to any car and be prepared for failures.

@@ROBMACDUI not true

@@mogulme6190 Absolutely true. All vehicle components have an acceptable variance for strength/measurents etc. Manufacturers have to keep power at a certain level to account for those vehicles with weaker components and is why some cars of the same make and model can handle a lot more power and some fail with relatively low additional power. Also, it's not just the engine. All of the powertrain components need to be able to handle the additional stress. Because of this you are always taking a risk for failure when adding power to any vehicle. Of course some tolerate it better than others but it's still a risk.

@@ROBMACDUIjust change the internals

@Tutturu If the engine was the only part of the equation, then sure, but adding that much more power to the engine will also require that every other component can handle it. Transmission, differential, clutch, cooling system, axles, etc. Don't think there was any year civic that didn't hit a transmission torque limit pretty quickly. If you want reliable power, either pay the price of upgrades or simply buy a platform built from the factory to handle it.

He did seem like a dickhead here tbh, he had that “I got the new Type R, I’m the top dog” attitude in this video.

@@claudio_wrx yup. That's how he walks around ALL the time. Dude has less than 200k subs. Lol. Settle your tiny ass down. Haha.

Exactly. Our full race 1.5T engine package makes over 800hp. It’s in our 10th gen civic si.

@@thefoatmedia ❤️❤️ wow 800bhp from a 1.5 ltr sounds crazy

This is an ignorant statement. Displacement does not dictate engine longevity or capability. This is an issue with this particular engine's design.

Accord Sport 2.0T K20c4 does not blow up with mild mods.

@@dougritter429 Last I checked, the K series and L series were completely different engines. The L series is weaker because of how it was designed, not because it has smaller displacement. Don't be daft.

Thanks and no worries this is all part of the game

Lol did you watch all of it. In the first part of the video they tell the driver we said “it’s ok”.

Running ethanol on the 1.5t si or 2.0t Fk8 will always end up causing a rod to go.

@@robertblack6630 Is there a fine line with the tune that will cause this… With more conservative tune been a , how should I say More Lasting Out Come??

That's great. Motors will definitely last longer with less power.

@Hula ChiChi What?

@Hula ChiChi never had any issues with my 10th gen, 11th gen not that great

@Hula ChiChi The new 1.5 isn't weak in the Si by any means. The engines are still practically built the same. Ethanol increases cylinder pressure and increases bottom end torque tremendously. The torque curve is too aggressive and bends rods / wears out the main bearings too quickly. You can run a bigger turbo on these 1.5's and get more reliability. run bigger turbo on 93 or high octane versus driving stock turbo with ethanol

​@Hula ChiChi older generation k20z3 with a turbo blows away the new K20C turbo the older motors cylinder head flows way better and it has more potential people who build these engines like 4 piston racing even they say that themselves

Not really commenting on the build quality per se but they seem a lot less fun than my K20Z3 and they seem to not be able to take the same kind of abuse.

The internals can not handle an additional 100 hp.

Canada doesn’t have sarcasm? 😂

Too much power for a stock 1.5t yes. Our built 1.5t can hold over 500. Our drag set up makes 800+ but that’s a ticking time bomb as well….maybe because so far the latest changes, it’s still holding.

Built inside out after some hard miles. Lol

@@thefoatmedia 🤣

We’re one of those people, but that’s with 10th gen Civic Si. We also have the highest Hp L15 and have been one of the pioneers in modifying/tuning the new Honda L15 platforms. As for tuning it’s subjective because we shouldn’t have to manage the torque at such low power levels. You are correct though if someone’s scared of breaking, torque is what causes it and they can manage it through Hondata…but why would we limit ourselves? That’s the point of building to push limits. We have ran 400trq on stock 10th gen motors and would daily drive them for years without issues with the same tuning strategy…All The Torque! Of course with that comes disclaimers like, be prepared for this lol.

@@thefoatmedia wasn't this car previously on big turbo and e85 and stuff? Do you think the fact that it lasted less than a lap indicates that the damage was already done from the previous mods rather than the current power level causing it?

L15 motors are not built to last period... not capable of withstanding hard rips and definitely not track ready. My D16 would’ve last longer than an L15. Modded or stock

@@brisevans8976 you're just repeating the same nonsense that gets proliferated on the internet without any actual knowledge or experience. If you have the right supporting mods and your tuner actually knows what they're doing, ie dialing back torque especially at low RPMs, paired with regular maintenance, using good oil, etc.. they can be super reliable. The one in the vid has been tuned very aggressively with no intent to actually make the engine last as long as it should. I suggest reading 27won's blog post about safe HP numbers with the L15

@@dinkleberg2013 the fact you hit me with the I’m just talking out my ass “without knowledge or experience” is all I need to hear. My D16 would actually have lasted longer than the L15 and that’s off factual knowledge and experience my friend. Have a good one

First the motor has to be torn down and the data log has to be looked at to determine what exactly is the achilles heel.