CR really doesn’t understand EV buyers like myself. The number of times I travel further than 250 miles in a day is maybe twice a year. Charging at home is really convenient and makes all the difference in the ownership experience. I’ll never go back to a gasoline vehicle
Most car buyers don’t travel more than 250 miles in a day, nor do they plan on renting a vehicle for those extended trips. Having a car is so that you can do most trips. At this point EVs are luxury items and even more so the pricier they get. If one truly cared they would Lyft/Rideshare or take public transport.
I agree with you & enjoy my Tesla M 3 long range for the last four years! The autopilot is a big help on trips & tends to glitch less for some reason. Fast charging makes it quicker at 250 KWh. You should look at video on You tube by a engineer that explains things, “American’s are dumber due to leaded gas. Funny at times but makes you never want to drive gas cars & people forget about benzene in gas & toxic effects!
CR does understand some EV buyers like myself. I want to own one car at a time, not two. I need an EV that will do cross country road trips and that means it has to have some range.
@@johntorrey9510 The range overselling need is true. John, the reality is with fast charging capabilities and the norm of 10-80% in under 30 minutes, more closer to 20 minutes, the statement of needing more range for roadtrips is not exactly true. Of course, that will depend on the fast charging infrastructure available and your particular trips you want to take. We are not at the point of having 350kW DCFC everywhere today, however it is growing especially along most major highway systems for inter-city/inter-state and across-country travel. Plus, people really thing that sitting for 30 mins after driving for 3-4 hours is a waste. Most stops after that kind of driving time, are at least 15 minutes for gas cars. So the reality is you wait another 15 minutes more. If I tell you that I will pay you $40 to sit there for 15 more mins, would you? That's the reality of the lower cost of EV charging versus ICEV gas, even if the EV has less range then the gas version. The economics of EVs weigh in very heavily. Part of CR hesitation on the EV side is really not living with one day in and day out. Once you have one, you learn all the stuff about it and with home charging being 90+ % of the use case, road trips are not the chore most think they are. Taking a longer roadtrip in an all-electric is like driving with small children - you have to put a bit more planning into your stops and/or stop a bit more often and/or stop for a bit longer. I have a Tesla Model 3 LR and drove to the east coast of Canada and back, from the Toronto area. Almost 4,000kms. No issues, my average stop time was 20 minutes. Sure, 1 or 2 were longer but many were shorter. And my charging costs to do that trip would have been about $125-$150 CAD total. I had some charging credits still so that trip actually cost me nothing to charge. My point is that when you look at the dollars and cents and quantify that to peoples time, all-electrics can make great sense for many. Agreed not all today, but for most. The one CR person saying he wants 600miles or more range, is really someone who A: loves ICEVs and will never change, B: really does not fully get the EV experience and lifestyle and probably has not mapped that potential, into his own personal life needs to see if it really would fit. We need to move faster to Zero Emission vehicles and this crap about not enough range, etc. is really backward thinking for the most part. Sure, there are some places where EVs are a harder sell, but on a case by case basis, I would suspect that 80-90% of folks can take advantage of an all-electric in their everyday lives, with the proper education, awareness and right vehicle fit.
I love you guys, but I don’t know how you can evaluate EVs properly if you don’t have a level 2 home charger. Your perspective on them always shows and Mike keeps mentioning he doesn’t have one. Well obviously if someone gets an EV, unless they live in an apartment, they would get a Level 2 charger. So that point is moot. In addition, it wouldn’t surprise me if most folks considering an EV do have a 2nd car that isn’t pure EV. How about evaluating these with that in mind? Thanks again.
Because it literally costs any where from $1200-6,000 to have one installed. Expecting everyone to do this to adapt to electric cars is wildly dumb, and doesn’t fix the problem of people living in apartments.
TAMIR! Exceellente' point!!! I've drove ev's since 2013. no gasoline@ our apt. apts have x3 crghrs here, most don't. THIS is why I usually watch personal AND CR reorts for EV's. not fair reporting w/o the L-2 or 110 trickle@home should be included or its not real info to help the consumer! Thx Tamir, Aman my son has this hybrid Mav and a model 3 T.
I traded my 2021 Lexus ES350 Ultra Luxury last week for a 2024 Genesis Electrified g80 Prestige, and I could NOT be more pleased! I am 6'2" and have approximately 2.5 inches of additional head room, with an extraordinarily well crafted interior rivaling any Lexus I have ever driven. I love using both the "Eco" and "Comfort" drive modes, and the cabin is whisper quiet. I made the right decision.
I bought a 2023 G80 electric. Charges to 320 miles. I charge from home. Install for a NEMA Plug was $400. Bought a charger from amazon for $400. Have solar panels. Routinely has 270-300 mile range. Had a model 3. This was a huge upgrade. Much better fit and finish. As far as where you going with 250 miles, just how often are you going 300/400 miles without a pee break.
The importance of range for road trips really depends upon where you live. If you live in Wyoming it’s along way between fast chargers. In many other parts of the country 250 miles is plenty along major travel routes where fast chargers are typically only 100 miles a part. On road trips you rarely ever need to charge to 100% or even 80%. Just enough to get to the next fast charger and take advantage of the faster charging rates and you won’t ever need to charge for an hour. Charging speeds are also important to the road trip experience. Personally I can’t comfortably sit in any car for more than an hour and a half.
We tried renting a Chevy Bolt and driving it from CT to Pittsburgh through the mountains on the interstate. It took us instead of one day or 8 hours it took us two charging cycles which added two hours to the trip and 10 hours. On the way back it was even longer because the fast charger at a stop we made was broken and we had to take a slower charge - it took 12 hours. It really does depend on where you live and where you drive - electric cars from my experience are not ready for the long trips yet. The Wall Street Journal last month had an even worse experience than I did. The rental was an experiment - I will stick with gas/hybrid for now thank you.
Sorry but that 1+hr charging time is a rare worst case scenario. Most fastchargers are either 150kw or 350kw capable. Most of those are 150kw, meaning it'd take around 30-35 minutes for a 10-80% charge, while a 350kw charger would take around 20-25 minutes for the same charge (car charges around 235kw max).
Three things about the G80 EV, take it off my "Want" list.........#1) No sun roof, because of the solar panels on the roof. #2) Reduced space in the trunk, because of the battery. & #3) The floor of the back seat is higher, causing reduced leg room, again, because of the battery.........The gas powered 3.5T G80 is still #1 on my list ($70,000) PS.....I almost forgot....Because of the battery, NO FRIGGIN' SPARE TIRE.
I have driven a number of EVs in the $40k-$60k range and found that EPA numbers are all over the place. At the end of the day, the actual daily driving ranges are far closer to each other than the spread between EPA ranges would suggest. The group of EVs I’m talking about are the Model Y, Mach E, ID.4, XC40 Recharge, Ioniq 5 and EV6
Now that the G80 EV is out (and I have one) people should know that the car is conservatively rated at 282 EPA miles, but it is quite easy to get in excess of 300 miles. The Koreans and Germans tend to be conservative with their range ratings. The same can't be said for most other EVs.
I'm happy to see Genesis offering another EV. I still really want the Genesis Mint Concept to become a real car; I'll probably be waiting for a very long time. I assume that it would be an EV but the concept's silly interior had three petals.
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I like these guys, but Adam and Jen are solid because they don't expect or want every single car to go 0-60 in 2 seconds and demand every EV to charge in 2 minutes. It's very hyperbolic, but car guy bias runs deep.
If you don’t buy hybrid now. Why would car manufacturer have a reason to make them better.Remember how long it would take your cell phone to charge in the 90s.
0:06 I recall (years ago) CR said the Kia Optima was the most America car, in terms of where it was made, and numbers of made in America parts. Curious to know if that is still the case.
Genesis underestimates the specs on their EV's. Based on my research most users are getting 320 to 340 miles range on this vehicle which I find quite acceptable (I'd want at least 300).
This "what is best for the environment" question is interesting to me. I think an argument can be made suggesting that it is actually better to keep your current car running with regular maintenance and even major repairs rather than to buy a new vehicle. There probably is a point when a car actually and truly "dies," (e.g. major collision damage, rust-belt cars that are no longer structurally sound,) but even the environmental and monetary costs of say transmission/engine repair/replacements, have to be less than the purchase of a new vehicle. Right? I suspect most folks who claim their car has "died" actually just get tired of their old car before their old car gets tired of them. Which is fine, I get that. But let's also not pretend you are getting a new car because your old car is at the end of it's life.
I know someone that has a leak behind their dash. They now park it in a garage and does not ride in the rain. Runs like a champ though. To your point, yes, keeping your current car is the best thing one can do, both financially and environmentally.
If they didn't have a sunroof, it would've been nice to have the solar roof like Hyundai has in other models to run the climate controls and save range, if not charge the battery.
RE: your GV60 review “As with all EVs, there’s basically no noise from the powertrain…” Please read owner reports from forums. EV powertrains may be quiet, but for some of us they are still extremely annoying and it varies based on model. It is likened to a dentist drill or coil whine. Quiet sounds can still be annoying and the number of noise complaints for “quiet” EVs should make this clear. I am extremely disappointed that you miss this continuously while some other reviewers are beginning to point it out.
Top 5 most American made cars: Rank Make/Model U.S. Assembly Location 1. Tesla Model Y Fremont, Calif. Austin, Texas 2. Tesla Model 3 Fremont, Calif. 3. Lincoln Corsair Louisville, Ky. 4. Honda Passport Lincoln, Ala. 5. Tesla Model X Fremont, Calif.
You want answers? I think I'm entitled to them! You want answers?! I want the truth!! You can't handle the truth!!! Lol Ryan can't handle the truth! You guys are crazy. Thanks for the chuckle. Have be a great day :-)
It seems to me, that slightly more important than a vehicles total range, is an EV's charging speed. If you can "fill up" in 18 minutes, it almost doesn't matter that there may only be 250-ish miles of range. Almost. I do agree that a luxury cruiser coming to market today with less than 300 miles is a little weak. It's one thing for a daily driver/errand-runner to have 260 miles, but not a vehicle in this class.
This seems to be more of 3 random guy's personal opinion on the car and EVs in general versus being a CR review of it. Honestly, their personal opinion means nothing, especially when they say things like "I'm not sold on EVs" or "I want 400 miles of range".
I am a 40 year CR subscriber. Such a great show but sad to see that they really don't get that EV's are not just the future but are better cars than ICE cars for many people today. You can take the same long road trips as with a ICE car with a little planning and some extra time taking a break from driving while charging. Perhaps the can spin off a second show only for EVs so they can stay relevant.
Buying an EV as main daily driver at $45k @msrp from manufacturers with full fed rebate $7.5k beats any gasoline cars on the market due to current oil prices. Yes NOT a Tesla, you’re late on that boat by 3 years, lost fed tax credit and tesla inflationary prices are in effect now. But if you really have to have that tesla, go for it.
I would definitely not buy a road trip car such as this G80 as an electric car with only 250 miles range and the current status of Electrify America charging network :( I’d love to buy a city EV though
Incredible, I paid $29K for my 2013 Tesla model S P85 it does 0 to 60 four seconds it has 265 miles of range, it’s crazy that other auto makers can’t catch up to a nine-year-old Tesla
Not recommended because of 'reliability'? Id love to see the data to back this up - I am in disbelief. I would take this over a Lexus any day of the week.
A converted gas car will always be compromised. What is the purpose of the fake grille? What is the purpose of the huge under hood area to house an engine that doesn't exist? This car will have a very limited appeal, compared to a ground up EV.
Some manufacturers make the decision to design a ground-up EV to offer multiple propulsion technologies because those cars can be assembled on the same production line and the the mix of drivetrains can be easily done based on customer demand. EVs are not the end-all in a global market that produced 66 million vehicles in 2021. Many EV purist believe an EV is not 'great' unless it is designed as a EV-only architecture. As someone who works in manufacturing, why would I leave billions ($$$) in petrol vehicle sales unmet when I can in 2022 target all drivetrain customer needs. FACT: Many around the globe do not want an EV and the compromises it requires. EVs have a place in the marketplace but those who only see EVs as the only future drivetrain tend to suffer from tunnel vision IMO.
I know you guys are financially well to do, but how about reviewing some affordable/economic cars? The average price of an automobile might be 48 grand but the average American salary hasn't kept pace. So we aren't going to buy the G80 or the Nissan Z or the Rivian RT1 or any of the other unobtainable vehicles you seem so intent on reviewing on a weekly basis. Unsubscribe.
How many people spending $80k on a car either A) Don't have a second car for longer trips or B) Aren't flying for any trip more than 250 miles? In my circle, very few. Charing infrastructure is coming along so far and so fast, especially when Tesla open theirs to non-Teslas...at that point almost any argument against EVs goes away. Now we just need more nuclear energy to make it sustainable.
Not everyone’s ex-wife moved 300+ miles away from you and took the kids. I get that you guys may need 300+ miles, but very few folks drive 300+ miles in one day. It’s a balance of cost and weight vs range. The sweet spot is likely closer to 185 for most. With a home charger most owners would never need to charge elsewhere. Use your minivan for the family long haul trip to Bush Gardens.
Plug in hybrids make sense as long as you don't thing about it too much. They are inefficient EVs (that need to be charged everyday) for everyday use and inefficient gas cars in long trips. Why? because they lug around the dead weight of an ICE engine/gearbox or the dead weight of a small battery/motor.
I drive 30,000 miles a year with my insurance business can’t own an electric car plus I car about the environment and electric cars are worse for the environment than a gas engine
Charging is a lazy reason to not buy an EV. It just tells me that you guys don't know what you are talking about. Home charging is done 90% of the time. I've owned my Tesla for two years and I can count the number of times I've been at a supercharger on one hand. I drive more than 80 miles one way to work. IMO price is the main reason to not buy an EV.
Not much diversity here; not in opinion or background. 3 middle-aged, white, upper-middle class suburban dads all basically agreeing that the best ev is a car that’s not an ev (Prius). Why even review this car when you have such a lack of understanding around who it serves? It may not meet your myopic, old-world needs, but it meets many others’ needs. I was just waiting for these guys to talk about how many bags of golf clubs fit in the trunk. It’s a bit ridiculous. 3 suburban dads with a bias towards ICE from what I’m guessing is years of being gear heads with wives and kids. The comment about needing 300+ miles of range is really off the mark. The vast majority of car trips are far shorter. Not everyone is hauling their kids to lacrosse matches and driving 100 miles to work. There are other needs than the ones you guys get covered by default all the time. Apartment dwellers, city dwellers, single moms, Uber drivers, folks that live in areas like CA or Hawaii where gas is close to $6/gallon, folks that care about carbon footprint… this was narrowcasting. Maybe call this channel Vanilla Daddy’s Car Chat. Just needs a secretary to bring you guys your coffee mid-episode. Then a little smack on her tush to thank her. Or how about Leave to Beaver car chat. ‘In this weeks episode we review a pointless car that never needs oil or gas or transmission fluid, so that’s suck, but we’ll also be reviewing the newest beige colors of dockers slacks for 2023!” Welcome to polo shirt with white undershirt car chat!
