I own an Odyssey and rented the Sienna. No comparison when you’re climbing hills and mountains. The Honda V6 no issues going 80 uphill fully loaded with family and gear. Sienna was loud and struggled to keep up with traffic going uphill not even fully loaded. Sienna fuel economy was better but lacked the get up. The Odyssey was a little more nimble.
The test drive I took in the Seinna was so disappointing. It sounded like a drone, and I'm especially not used to CVT. Add to that the loud wind noise and poor quality interior, the Oddessy was a no brainer. It especially delivers in terms of power.
I had a Sienna out west as a rental and it did just fine getting over 10,000 foot passes. A little loud but had no problems. Remember 245 horsepower would have been a lot in a minivan twenty years ago and people got up mountains then.
Sienna has a $10k markup everywhere you go. What efficiency are we talking about? Non removable middle row in a minivan? Unacceptable. The only big big plus of a sienna is that available 4wd
I own the 2019 Odyssey and 2015 Sienna. Odyssey wins handdown in every category except for the new Sienna Hybrid and AWD. Toyota still doesn't know how to make a minivan for driver and family. Their cheaper interior material and that horrible 2nd-row middle seat is the worst design ever. It's Hybrid and EV age and I still refuse to get a Sienna Hybrid. There are no options for leather, bench seats, and AWD. You can only go for the cheapest base model for that. This has been the case for decades. I don't know who designs Sienna, but that person need to be fired and sued.
I estimate gas savings based on 12k miles/yr ~ $540. My insurance is about $400 more per year for the Sienna. The Sienna's mileage is tremendous, but it's counterbalanced somewhat. The Odyssey has a timing belt, which means a $1300 surprise at 100k miles. I like the nice touches of the Sienna and the reliability, but the Honda drives alot better and is no slouch in reliability. The decision is pretty nuanced. We have an 09 Sienna (207k) and love it, but I can't even find a new Sienna to test drive. I'm not driving high miles or city traffic these days, so am leaning to the Honda. Both are so much better than the station wagon I grew up in, with wood paneling and a tail gunner's seat!
It looks different on the specs and in the real life. For me is most important how van drives, how suspension work on road, how steering feels, how interior feels on the road. I had both vans and test drive different years. I feel like Honda much better build. Also, the 3rd seats folds on Odyssey way better than on Sienna. It’s just flat to the floor and so solid.
They most definitely are. I'm hoping to wait on my purchase as long as I can so the market can settle back down though I doubt carmakers are going to drop prices any time soon now that they are used to the massive mark-ups.
@@sportsbettingeducation Ha! I will never get "used to it" I bought my first Toyota in 1978, it was a new Corolla. It cost less than $5000, with aftermarket AC installed. I can't see how working class people can buy new cars in this time. Our country as well as the world economy will most likely reset soon...
Me and wife have 2015 odyssey then we change for crv and we have abnother kid do we decide to go for the sienna , but after wait gor like 7 months and mark up price over 7000 (47000 for LE trim ) e check the honda odyssey With the price of 41000 on ex-l model we got the odyssey went on trip from boston to Orlando with minivan packed and the honda odyssey mpg was 30 miles per gallon no regrets
It is completely idiotic that Honda keeps using a timing belt. In the hotter states like Texas they want you to pay over $1,000 every 60k miles to get those changed.
I'm a photographer. I want the Odyssey for its versatility in space configuration. However, since it's near the end of 2023, I'm going to wait to see if I can get the 4WD for 2024.
We have a 2018 Honda Odyssey Touring (Canada Elite). I have an F-150 XLT 4x4 5.0L super cab, and for the life of me I can't think of a reason you would need an AWD or 4x4 mini van. All your weight is right above your drive wheels. I've never been stuck in snow with any front wheel drive car I've owned growing up, but I certainly have been stuck in the built up 1988 Mustang 5.0L... does that mean it should have AWD? You are never going to take your mini van off roading.. ever! The whole AWD bs is just a marketing ploy. Mini vans see paved and gravel roads only, camp grounds, etc.Front wheel drive gets you through a winter no problem, you will never get stuck with proper tires. Ever!
I always hear people say that but they must not live in the mountains. When you’re driving up a steep mountain in the snow, you might need awd in addition to snow tires. Although in my experience awd like you find on rav4, crv, sienna, etc are basically useless. You would need Subaru, pilot, ridgeline, or a 4x4. But I agree snow tires makes a much bigger difference than awd. But when your driving straight up or down the side of a mountain in a snow storm, it’s nice to have a Subaru with snow tires.
The two cars are really good but what I can see is that both car is too low to the ground some countries are having bad roads in their town, special Africa countries like Nigeria. The motor producing company they should producing two types the lower car and the high car of a specific motor
We just switched from a 2015 Odyssey to a 2023 AWD 25th anniversary Sienna. Both vans are nice, but the MPG on longer road trips for youth sports make the Sienna the clear winner. It's pulling 36+ MPG and have ottomans for the kids in the rear. I was worried about the smaller engine but hasn't been an issue at all or the CVT, we have our radio up all the time anyways so don't really hear it. The AWD is sweet to being in Chicago. However, if Honda made a hybrid with AWD I would have no issues with getting the Odyssey, but going from 22 MPG Highway to 36 has been amazing and 6K in 2.5 months with no issues thus far.
@@Angelo_Guzi imagine if you stay up to maintenance this is a non issue. Be those people who buy new and never take it into service intervals and you will have worn and bad drivetrains
I have the 21 Sienna Limited and I fully enjoy this van. It’s so comfortable with its heated and cooling seats, sunroof, and recliner seats in the back. The gas mileage is the best feature, I think. My drive to work is 50 miles round trip and with heavy traffic on the way home I run off the hybrid battery as traffic is usually crawling. It has been a game changer. I put gas in every other week and with the gas prices as such (I’m in Cali) it has helped A LOT!
Yup, here in my neck of the woods there are endless Odyssey’s. No Siennas though. If you order from Toyota, the local dealer here will mark it up $5000+. Such a shame because I needed a van. I ended up getting a Mazda CX9 instead. I just couldn’t trust the Hondas problematic transmission.
We are going to be getting the 2024 Odyssey in a few weeks, and while we really wanted the improved gas mileage of the Sienna, the reality is they are super hard to obtain, and the cost would be higher overall by ~ $10,000 compared to the Odyssey. My wife has done a lot of research and the Odyssey ticked all the boxes, save for the gas mileage on the Sienna because of its hybrid engine. Great review sir!
The only one thing I don’t like about the Odyssey is that they still use a timing belt when all the other Hondas use timing chain. The minivans motor has remained unchanged from the previous generation. I loved mine but it required a bit more maintenance and cost.
Congrats. Sad to read the Sienna is still hard to get and you either have to wait months on end for it or get into a bidding war. Same as you, we where looking to get a Sienna almost exactly a year ago, but after paying a deposit and waiting 6 months with only a vague "an extra 6 to 12 months" as an ETA, we also went to the Odyssey, done a few road trips on it and it's surprisingly pleasant to drive, considering it's a massive car. Powertrain does not care if there's cargo or not and the car will pick up speed quickly (something I keep reading can be an issue with the Sienna), and we've had no problems needing to power out of traffic when required, and while around city we are near 16mpg, going at the speed limit on the highway, I have seen up to 28mpg, which isn't that massively far off the Sienna (again, this in highway, around town it can be massively far off lol). Some build quality issues do show up on some examples, so just be sure to point out any squeaks/rattles to the dealership asap (we didn't see any) as well as checking that the power doors are doing their thing correctly.
im still driving my 2001 odyssey . 300k miles . v6 just won't die. all these 4cyl toy engines jut haven't proved themselves and never will compared to v6. so...
I have a 2019 oddysey and I really dont like the new look of the sienna, or the old one. Plus We will not switch from the 2019 to the 2023 because we have the exl trim, and in the 2023 model the exl trim does not have the rear entertainment system.
Great comparo! We have a 2019 Odyssey EX-L and really like it. The ZF 9 speed transmission isn't my favorite, has some odd shifts sometimes, and I wonder how much better the Honda 10-sp would be. It's a great school/activity schlepper and road tripper. I like that the center console area is open, gives me a little more knee room. After 65k miles, Fuelly says lifetime mpg avg is 24.7. Not too shabby for a non-hybrid 4500 lb box-on-wheels but the Sienna might be our next. I love the idea of spending 50% less on gas but keeping the box-on-wheels shape.
On your Odyssey disconnect the battery terminal, let the van sit disconnected for 24 hours. Reconnect and you should see improvements in the shifts. Try doing this about every 3 months.
We had two Honda Odysseys (2003 and 2008). We enjoyed them a lot and went on many road trips. In 2022 we got our first Toyota Sienna, top of the line Platinum AWD model. It's great, especially the 35 MPG. This Platinum model also has ventilated front seats.
@@beexiong2995 I’ll take the 28 mpg aspirated from Honda all day. That hybrid electric setup in Toyota will cost a pretty Penny when it needs to be fixed, even the extended warranty from Toyota won’t cover that repair.
@@ds1755 This is my biggest concern now that you've pointed out it's not covered by extended warranty. Both minivans appear to be impressive but the trade-off for that increased MPG in the hybrid will likely come due when issues with the hybrid system start to appear. The aspirated Honda should keep going (especially considering it's a 10 speed transmission and not a CVT like the Toyota) a lot longer without expensive repairs than the Toyota. I like to keep vehicles until they die so long-term costs and reliability are huge for me. I've not made my final decision (as I've not yet road tested them) but considering these issues and the difficulty even getting a Sierra I'm leaning strongly towards the Honda. I also do mostly highway driving so the city gas mileage difference isn't a huge concern but with gas prices so high it's a consideration.
I agree, sort of. I think any great mechanic will tell you the same... however, my '16 Accord has a CVT with 200k miles without a single problem or concern and I really like the way it drives. Given the choice though I think I'm leaning towards the 10 speed.
What also worth mentioning is rear suspension. Sienna has a rear torsion (wishbone ) axle semi independent system. which can be a floaty motion sick ride for that 3rd seat. Honda totally independent front and back suspension which tracks road better.
Just bought a Honda Odyssey!! To me, the interior material is much better and the power is so sufficient! These two are the main reasons I prefer Odyssey more. Sienna does have better fuel efficiency but after 100 kmiles the extra cost we will spend on replacing the battery will be an extra pain point. Oh one key reason is ...... nowaday in north California the Toyota dealer asks for 10000 mark up price to order a sienna with 3 to 6 months lead time .........
Same. Honda’s V6 and also the state of the art industry best 10-speed transmission is super smooth, powerful and doesn’t get loud on freeway and acceleration! Also better build quality and design!
@@Aikynbreusov there will be energy degradation from any batteries. No such thing in ICE cars that can also do family road trips without having to stop by charging stations for hours each time/
@@Aikynbreusov Yeah, but for a Toyota or Honda 100k is just getting worn in! My Accord is at 200k already with not one major repair and I'm looking for similar reliability for my next minivan. I agree, Toyota makes great hybrid systems but the risks are still far higher than an aspirated V6 from Honda and you just know there's going to come a time when you have to fix something in the hybrid system and it's NOT covered by extended warranties (at least any I've seen available now). Also, that 10K markup is a LOT of gas money!
I own a 21’ XSE Sienna. My first Hybrid & Toyota. I love the Sienna. The 2nd-row long slide seats and the efficiency are unbeatable. I wish I had the upgraded JBL stereo and look forward to Toyota upgrading the center screen someday, but other than that the XSE trim levels looks the best! I also really like the Ruby Red!
I've read mix reviews about the XSE FWD. I've read that The ride can be kind of rough thanks to the 50 series tires on the 20-in rims. Outlet over the hill and through the Dell trying to find someone that would rent me an XSC for a couple or 3 days. I've even looked on Turo. No luck.
We've had a Sienna and Odyssey. Even the older models, I prefer the Sienna. The new hybrid with 36 mpg, the Sienna will be our next van. We have Prius hybrids with CVT transmissions and no issues after 200,000 miles.
Only problem w odyssey sliding seats is when 2nd row seats are removed the mounting bracket/box for the sliding seats remain so the cargo floor is not flat. Irritating as I load items in the side door and have to deal with a 2 inch tall mounting box. No way to remove. This is a concern. Also, the lack of front seat storage is bad on the 3 lower trim levels..not sure about upper trims. Am having to purchase a storage bin when it easily could have been included on all model trims. (Like a 5$ part or less).
I do not like Honda Odyssey. They still using timing belt cost around $1500.00 to replace water pump and timing belt. Check engine light code p0301 #1 cylinder miss fire due to oil deposit on spark plug. P219a,p219b codes only 54 thousands miles need all fuel injectors replaced. Go get yourself Toyota.
I like honda Odyssey the exterior design, interior design and the most comfortable, stabilize car plus I want reliable one. I don't like Toyota out of interior design is old fashion and I don't like tail gate light design(when I look at it, looks like crying(tears coming down) LOL. I still have 2010 Odyssey EXL trim with Navigation & entertainment systems, I like it and very comfortable & stabilize on long distance road trip. I will wait Odyssey redesign and if they come out with hybrid that will be perfect. I don't want honda change the size down to smaller, people like bigger space for road trip comfortability.
Honda Wins. I’ll tell you why, it has electric motors. That means it has big batteries. I had a hybrid and it was $3000 for the replacement battery and $1000 for the labor. To have an unforeseen bill that high in 4 or 5 years is a buzz kill. It will leave you very angry. Get the straight engine. You’ll be a happier person.
Had the 2019 Odyssey. Software is garbage and often reboots the console and RES when it crashes; looses sound w/ the Bluray. Bluray is useless anyway. Just get a Chromecast w/ Google TV for the Sienna and you're good. Simple is better. Odyssey pros: Styling. Middle seats removable, third row is solid when stowed. Powerful engine. Odyssey cons: buggy software. Sliding doors often malfunction and don't close. EPA is horrible. Sienna pros: AWD! Styling is nicest on the SE. Infotainment just works perfectly. Cameras everywhere. Camera-based rearview mirror. Hybrid motor gets great mileage. Simple RES w/ HDMI input; works perfectly w/ a Chromcast w/ Google TV. Sienna cons: third row is flimsy and wobbly when slowing. Can't remove second row seats. Only 7-seats in the top trim. Hybrid engine is lacks guts and is slow. Leaving the sliding doors open overnight renders them electronically inoperable until you forcibly close them manually.
I own and love my Honda Ridgeline truck. I purchased that due to my own needs, but have access to both mini-vans. The Honda, IMO, is a much more comfortable vehicle to drive and seems to have a bit better alignment to daily needs. Thanks for the honest look at both!
@travisstrickland7270 I'm used to my Ridgeline and love the way it handles as well as how useful it is for hauling. The Odessy, on the other hand, has space for a load of people! It is extremely stable and a predictable driver. If I needed the people space, it would be minivan all day, but otherwise, sticking with my truck. 😀
I found a 09 odyssey ex-l w/40k miles. The only thing these newer vans have is more charging ports and entertainment systems. Sure I'd love the sienna hybrid for the mpg's, but damn 45-60k for a van is insane. I mean suburbans start at 62k.🙄
Well you're right that this is a historically poor time to buy a vehicle though that's true of both used and new. If you can get a deal on a used Odyssey it's a much smarter buy.
I affraid the 4cyl on a minivan won't survive +200K mi. after 10 or 15 years. My 2007 Odyssey is now 270K min. and still an excellent runner. I'm planning to switch to Sienna before it hit the 300K mi. I do like the Sienna just because of its MPG however, my co worker who already bought one, he's not recommend me to get the Sienna. He said the Sienna feels underpower when driving with 7 passenger on board.
I have Honda but I will never buy Honda again horrible gas mileage and every 60k you have doing timing belt because it’s not chain, on Toyota you don’t have to do anything except change oil on time..
Went with odyssey because of the motor. Significantly more horsepower and torque. I have a trailer hitch on ours, so that should say something about my needs.
Odyssey because the extra mpg from the Sienna does not offset the OTD price and the high cost of batteries when you need them. Also, the easy removal of seats is extremely important, which the Sienna is lacking. Last, it looks if the Odyssey is so much better than the odd looking body lines of the Sienna.
Odyssey any day of the week. Sienna’s powertrain is grossly underpowered and unrefined compared to the Honda v6. I rather eat the MPG hit than suffer through a penalty box of the powertrain. The Odyssey’s 2nd row design is so awesome, i don’t know why ppl don’t copy it. It’s the best of both worlds: enables 8-ppl capacity, massive arm rests for captains chairs when not needed and completely removable but yet still retain arm rests. Minivan is for maximum versatility and it doesn’t make sense to force a 5th person to the 3rd row because it was decided that captains chairs are more lux. I can have 5 ppl in the odyssey and still do the mother of all Costco runs. Separately, I’m currently in an X7 and I’d be willing to pay for an Acura-fied Odyssey with that Type S powertrain and 4WD. Honda/Acura hit me up!
I like the Honda, because of the v6 engine that’s naturally built. I’ve driven an 2010 Honda odyssey with over 276,000 miles. And I was very impressed with the handling.
I biggest concern with Honda is the faulty VCM or whatever. Having to muzzle and turn off the eco mode so your car doesn’t need new pistons in a couple of years
I don’t like the High console in the Toyota. Too constrictive. I don’t like the pushbutton transmission in the Honda. Finger tip pain develops with pushbuttons. Very annoying and destructive on knuckle joints. Thank you for the comparison! ❤❤❤❤
I own sienna for 17 years its rock solid but i’m not convinced with new sienna because no V6 engine and ceiling height has been reduced and not much rear window
See, I think the Sienna is kind of ugly and I hate the front grill. It's a minivan though and you wont' care what it looks like after awhile. Well, at least I don't! I'm definitely leaning towards the 10 speed transmission in the Honda.
Honda Odyssey is the roomiest minivan on the world with up to 158 cubic feet with both rear seats folded down . Even Kia Carnival can't beat it ! The only thing missing is an hybrid version and Odyssey with throw everything else down
Hi I just got my BBL and it cost me 7K. Which of these cars have the biggest and most comfortable seats and suspension? I need to be sure my cheeks fit and are cradled well! Thanks
It is very interesting that many people are discussing the fuel consumption of the two cars. Yes, the Sienna is a bit lower, but it's not too much. But it costs more! The higher price more than makes up for the difference in fuel consumption. However, Odyssey's V6,10AT experience is far superior to that of the Sienna
With $3/gal gas, you are correct. The cost savings are a wash. What will gas prices be in 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? Are there other reasons you would want to save the 1,767 extra gallons you would use in the Honda by the time you hit 100k mi?
You also have to plan for the almost certain expenses servicing the hybrid system if you plan to keep the vehicle into high mileage while there's not reason to expect that with the Honda. If the mark-ups from Toyota come down it will change the calculus though of course.
@@timtian448 Yeah but that's combined and a bit unfair because I don't drive city miles very often so I'm looking at the numbers more like 28 for the Honda vs 36 for the Toyota and that's not nearly as compelling. The hybrid excels in city driving but I drive mostly on highway (though traffic is like city driving mileage of course).
They are equals to my requirements. Issue will be July 4th incentives in Phoenix. If these vans are the same price then perheps Honda as I like removable seats alot. I do not care about AWD nor DVDs in the back. We are retired and take very long road trips often. Comfort and reliablity matter.
The AWD sounds nice but only if you live somewhere it matters much. Where I live it's not a concern. The hybrid is great for the improved gas mileage but offset by the fact that you'll be paying so much more to get it with the Toyota mark-ups and the fact that hybrids are more complex and use batteries that will need servicing some day. I think for reliability reasons I'd lean towards the aspirated V6 with no batteries. I don't do a lot of city driving though so it much depends on your own needs.
V6, 3.5L and 10 Speed Trans must be for the next 5 years or more, should be acceptable for all my families members and relatives. Non removable second or third roll just not mpv (multi purpose vehicle). Honda backup camera not high quality. However, both vans still not modern engineering, designing and manufacturing, yet.
