I was driving this to the cafe the other day and one of the girls that worked there, who I was not interested in, she was not wearing the right product for me, but she's like "how many screens do you have" and I said "we have a conjoined screen" and she's like "what's the inches" and once I told her, the conversation went downhill. Never change Mark.
Kia employee: Hey, boss, I've got another batch of cars that might catch fire. Do you want me to ship them over to those stupid Americans like we did the last ones? Boss: Sure: We don't care about America as long as they send their money to us in Korea. They love a bargain. Employee and Boss: Ha Ha Ha!
I bought a Niro-EV three years ago. I’m saving about $2600 a year in fuel costs, my 50 mi round trip to/from work now costs about 12 cents. I drive it in Eco mode all the time. A full battery shows 310+ miles range 9 months of the year (I’m in Georgia). What reviewers always miss on Kia and Hyundai Evies is the paddles turning your brake regeneration on and off rapidly. Every opportunity I have to coast, I do precisely that. This greatly extends the available range of the car if you don’t live somewhere that is completely flat. My one complaint about this car is that it is bland and ordinary looking.
Spoiler alert: one of them gets gender reassignment surgery. They end up marrying each other and decide to adopt a kid from each of the 7 continents. And their child from Antarctica grows up to be in AI/robot cyborg who ends up living 500 years. Their cyborg offspring eventually dies on an exoplanet near alpha centauri by falling off a cliff trying to take a selfie.
I've got a 2020 Niro EV and live in New England. Summer range is 280-300 miles in Normal mode, driving like a regular person without trying really hard to be efficient. I've got the heat pump, and winter range is 220-240 miles. It has been a fantastic car, and it's awesome in the winter; it heats up extremely quickly. I don't agree with the short-range comments based on my experience, but the charging speed is abysmal compared to other offerings in the Kia/Hyundai portfolio. It's not much of a long road trip car, but for regional trips around New England, it has been nothing short of excellent.
I test drove the 2023 Niro EV and liked it. It's the goldilocks size for where I live in urban Southern California. The Bolt is a little small, and the IONIQ 5 and ID.4 feel a little too big.
Just use diamond-textured matte plastic instead of piano-black. It'll look as nice and last 5X longer. Wished there was someway to communicate this to manufacturers
Gen X’r here. After working 55hrs per week there’s nothing I enjoy more than pouring a rum and coke and watching a new episode of Savagegeese on my day off. 🍻
Our friends Pacifica Hybrid needs a new battery after 6 years and 160,000km. Quoted $22,000 at the dealer for a 16kwh battery. I’m not sure how accurate that is. That is unthinkable. Buyers better do their research because cost of ownership is quite high in that respect.
people dont seem to understand the cost of electric car batteries. may as well buy a new car. teslas are even worse, 25k for JUST the battery, that doesnt count labor. love my hybrid car maintenance and small cheap (2000$ every 8-15 years) battery, sure electric cars have less maintenance but that cost just kills the car later
This is why you buy Tesla. They have the best thermal management and best battery degradation versus the competition. And their cost for a battery replacement is 22k for a 75kwh pack and have a 8 year/120k mile warranty on the battery and drive units.
While I cant comment on the EV, I own the Niro hybrid and it is probably the only hybrid at it's price point with a non-CVT ICE counterpart. That and the cargo space was all I needed to be convinced to make the purchase.
I really wish you can review dealership experience, OMG if public transit exists where I live I’d take a bus and train. From loving cars to not wanting one is hard.
Judging from other comments I'm deeply in the minority here, but increasingly I find myself having to wait for the two minutes of closing thoughts for an actual opinion on the car being reviewed. Granted these aren't groundbreaking in any sort of way, but I miss the time when you would take an Elantra or a Tiguan and provide a worthwhile take on how it works for its intended demographic without falling into social commentary every other sentence.
While I do sometimes wish they have a "but, no, seriously" segment... this one wasn't hard to figure out. In a nutshell, this is a very generic vehicle with average performance, average range, average handling, an average interior with a generic external appearance. There is nothing exciting or groundbreaking with this vehicle... having said that, it's not bad or terrible either... it's an average generic vehicle at an "affordable" price. 40K is the average price of a new vehicle in the US and this comes in at 40K... how more average can you get?
In all fairness, this is a global car. In Europe, KIA's are all over the place. Because it's an EV, there are no penalties for ICE displacement because taxes vary with the size of the engine. No ICE engine to be taxed on. Charging infrastructure is better in Europe, so it makes the most of what's available, even though it's a 'transition' car. Our driving distances are greater than that of Europe and Asia; therefore, range is THE issue. By Mark's own admission, the car's interior appointments (except for the piano black trim) and technology work well. If range anxiety keeps you up at night, get the hybrid version. For the price point, it seems to be a damn good car.
I own the previous iteration of this vehicle and LOVE IT! Got rid of a Model 3 and Y because I had two teens learning to drive and they weren’t going to be driving a TESLA to school, but we wanted an EV. First and foremost, the range. Mine was advertised at 239 range and we get that in the dead of winter. In spring/summer/fall, we get upwards of 310! We use it for local errands and my son uses it for Door Dashing with no range anxiety; fast charging not an issue for us. We charge at home on a 220V charger. Thankfully, the infotainment is the regular standard buttons, not the new Kia double duty panel. Acceleration. 0-30 it doesn’t feel much different than my Model Y LR AWD did, but slower than my Model 3 LR AWD w/acceleration package. I totally agree with the piano black. It’s my only negative. The stereo is great, and CarPlay integration is simple. It also helped we got nice discounts on it since the EV6 is all the rage…so, on paper it doesn’t look a lot cheaper than the EV6, but it can be…We had the PHEV version before it, and it sucked. It’s the sleeper in the EV world. Not sure about your range numbers…unless it went down a lot since the 2022…Rides 10x better than the regular Niro; I totally disagree with you. Perfect for families with teens and need a commuter and don’t want an ICE car. Totally disagree with you guys…
The car market did change when the Millennial's started paying for tech over driving dynamics. The future of driving is leasing and having new car every 4 years like smart phones.
We have the hybrid and genuinely love it. Highway MPG is around 43, but in our hilly suburbia we get about 51mpg average on 87. Comfortable and great infotainment for the money. Hopefully with the smaller engine we don't get hit with the Kia curse.
Not much I agree with on this review. It seems the guys came into this with a ready formed view and didn’t review it on its merits. Whether by luck or design this car isn’t compromised by not being a ‘ground up EV’. It has a flat rear floor, plenty of interior and trunk space and drives very well. It doesn’t feel like a heavy EV, It’s suspension and handling are light and comfortable- although it is a bit bouncy. It is one of the most efficient EV’s in its class. 200 miles is achievable in winter. Oh and there isn’t that much piano black either.
This car kind of looks cool. Scary that these days $40k is "cheap" for even you guys, who tend to be pretty good about keeping the way we talk about cars in generals' numbers down to earth - though for an EV it may be true. Good review though - decent enough as a car, looks pretty interesting inside and out, and is actually available. It does what it needs to as a transitional product.
@@VaunShiz it really is. I like EVs and think they have their place but the endless gushing over them by car reviewers. Even if many of them are overpriced crap with a ton of problems is ridiculous
Last I looked, the heat pump battery warmer option (with heated steering wheel and seats !!) was around $1000. no need to make a fuss about it. Not sure why you are getting such. poor range. In the winter, with snow. tires, and pure 70mph plus highway - I get about 190, and in the summer/spring 240 and in town approaching 300.Something the new Niro offers is V2L, which, if KIA gets it together, would be a great house backup in case of blackout. It's a very pleasant car -with all the mod cons - adaptive cruise, lane keeping etc etc, I've had mine for 2 years and like it a lot. Small station wagons rule.
For all the crap this car is getting in the comments - i get it, many are of a particular car driving breed - the niro in all forms is a pretty nice car to drive. It’s not an enthusiast car by any means, but it’s actually a pretty nice car to get around in. I’ve been searching for a new car and this has all the bells and whistles, drives very comfortably/smoothly, has tons of space, and is somewhat reasonably priced, relative to new car prices. I drove all three versions, as well as MANY other cars, and this one honestly made me the happiest. Listen - this car is simply a daily commuter and weekend warrior, nothing more. I wouldn’t trade my ICE car away so i have a road-tripper…but this car will appeal to a lot of the normal, all-grown-up, practical millennial. Can confirm, I’m considering one as i don’t want to spend 10-15K more for the EV6, ioniq, or tesla.
Hmm say what you want about Kia/Hyundai they are making EV’s available on the market. Whether they are reliable/good or not is another question. But they are ahead of the game.
I got my Niro EV 12-05-2022 here in Germany. 4 days later it broke down for the first time: Nothing could be selected, the electronics were locked. After 12 hours sitting in a street, everything was ok again. 3 days later, same problem. KIA Assistance loaded in on a truck, investigated the problem and told me to „always wait a couple of seconds after pushing the START button before selecting Drive Mode“. Next breakdown on Dec 27, 2022: KIA Assistance again arranged a truck pick up. This time the onboard charger did not work anymore. Today is Febr. 13th, 2023 and the car is still unrepaired, because there is no spare charger available in Europe.
Loved the videos guys.. As a 58 year old there was a small segment that I didn`t know what you were talking about ? hahahaha.. Seriously I wasn`t aware of you until Covid struck, and I think I have seen all your uploads from cars to tech. All have entertained me, and Jack has replaced Scot superbly.. Keep up the great work. Love from the UK
I have been looking at the PHEV of the Niro for my 35mi each way commute, I would be able to charge at home and at work so theoretically I would only be filling up with gas twice a month max if that
I agreed with the "NPC" vehicle comment and the quick discussion around it being a basic car, you drive five miles a day, you just need something to go from point A to point B, last gen platform, and I'm thinking, "Okay, it's an electric Corolla. Basic car for people who only want a basic car" And then at 8:12 Mark dropped the "what, 40" thousand dollar bomb. And I'm sitting here thinking, "How economically bankrupt do buyers have to be to think buying this car /at list price/ for /fourty-goddamn-thousand-dollars/ make any sense?!
We got the 2020 model plug-in hybrid. It gets 24 miles on electric, and then 500 on gas. Most days we drive less than 24 miles, so we only fill the tank every 2-3 months, usually because of day trips out of town. At the time, the tax credits still covered it and we got a good deal on a higher end trim. MSRP was $35K but we got it for around $28K after rebates and tax credit. I’m not sure if you could get it for that now, but considering the gas savings I think it’s worth it.
You feel like you getting tired to evaluate EV car, but well, i can understand you 100% if its the case. Too much ''more of the same'' feeling behind the wheel. But your good guys, really. I always appreciate your videos ;)
Great review. I think a lot of other channels struggle to keep perspective in reviews the way y'all do. "This car is pretty great" devoid of relevent thought to competition, longevity, price, daily living. In short, most channels express opinions based on if the car was a week long rental, which they usually are.
I spend a lot of time in the UK and these have replaced the Prius as the Uber car of choice in London. I HATE them. The floor pan in the rear is so tall that as a 6’ 1” man, my knees are in my chin.
Love how they put the stupid charge port dead center of the front. One minor hit and it's a fortune to fix, or you can't charge your ever so green vehicle. That's smart! 🤔
Just traded my base Model 3 after 50k miles bcs (in part) 200 miles is not enough EV range for daily SoCal driving (for me). Happy with my Hybrid Rav4 with 450mi+ range and AWD, getting 39mpg. It’s costing me $.14 per mi instead of $.06 to drive, but I don’t have to charge midday to be sure I’ll get home.
Congrats, but for most people, a commute over 100miles is pretty rare and EVs work perfectly. 200 miles is close to 3-4 hours of driving assuming you are going 50-60mph the entire time and that's just a rare occurrence for most people unless you drive Uber or work gig economy.
@@zoppp621 yeah that use case is absolutely insane. granted, mine is even more crazier but on the opposite end ( I max 4 miles daily to and from work) and within those parameters I can get to my gym grocery shop etc, can charge at work for free, ea chargers also there if necessary.
Don't tell that to some of the EV Tesla crazed channels. According to them, Toyota is going bankrupt and absolutely "no one" would trade in a Tesla for a Toyota. They also say hybrids are yesterday's technology.
@@benjaminsmith2287 many of those EV crazed channels are likely Tesla stock holders. EVs are great for most people but hybrids are currently more accessible. Just would be nice if Toyota/Lexus would release some affordable yet engaging hybrids that have a V6 paired with a hybrid system + RWD. EVs are alot more fun to drive than their hybrid counterparts and have less parts than hybrids, even a typical ICE car has less parts than a hybrid so I would be hesitant to purchase a hybrid from anyone else except Toyota.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Hybrids are today's technology. They make far more sense for most people (and the environment). The future is EV, but I still think we're at least 10 years out from them actually making sense. Improvements on battery technology, performance and chemical make up are still a ways away. It is likely we'll get to a point where the batteries are made of materials that are far less expensive (and "cleaner"), far easier to handle, weigh much less, cost much less and provide increased range.
But how can I watch Tik Tok while I'm driving when the DUAL SCREENS are stuck in landscape mode? That's why I took out an 8 year loan at 19% on a Mustang EV.
This model will be available under 60K miles for 25,000 out the door in the year 2025 very frequently, you probably can get it certified also if your lucky and that will give you extra peace of mind .
Strange how much this appeals to me as a daily driver. This + a Miata would be a perfect 2-car garage if I didn't have a weakness for big fat European luxury vehicles.
@Don't Worry to my surprise apparently it is a fact. Example A is the Nissan Leaf which sold in this country with sub 200 miles of range for like 10 years. Not even close to 200 either. Closer to 150 miles of range.
I drove this thing as a rental and it’s quick. Nice interior and I burned the tires on several occasions. I’m surprised to learn it’s in the 30s honestly as an EV…
Watching your Kia review is less exciting after watching 'CarWizard' which told us about the reliability of a Sonata . Checking oil is basic maintenance and here we eliminate that and that's good but will reliability be there with this new one , stuffed with software controlling everything? . There are already horror stories with the Ioniq5 .
I'm not sure if these two are misgendering the Kia Niro or if I'm mistaken and there actually is a non-hybrid ICE version of this car? I was under the impression it was either Hybrid, Plug-in Hybrid, or EV.
I spotted your question, checked their website and they do not list a plain ICE version of this car. It happens I have a 2023 Hyundai Kona which is a plain ICE car. Very similar size wise, and it ran me $29,000 out the door. It works. Only one tone too!
It's a great car in any form but EV. It's also a decent transitional EV for places like Europe where the bolt doesn't exist, which makes it an actual affordable option. I'm definitely more interested in the new Kona AKA the sibling. It will have AWD available along with a much nicer interior with Hyundai's new design language and physical controls. Brand new infotainment and software, and OTA updates for every part of the car, which makes it the first of its kind for the company. I think Hyundai will start to deviate from Kia by going more upmarket based on the new Kona. It's a huge improvement versus the Niro, and surpasses even the current Tucson in interior.
You know what I love to point out? I know you guys have pointed this out, probably, but I hate piano too much piano black too, however I don't understand why aren't 100K Cars like the S-Class being bashed by most people for the piano black? Also the A8 Audi and A6 have TONS of piano black, yet that flies under the radar just because they are established brands or what is it?
As a boomer myself, I have to ask, is there an EV out there that won't make me feel micro-aggressed when asked about the range I'm getting here in the northeast?
At some point we had the following vehicles in the house: a 180 mi range e-Golf, a 70 mi range Smart ForTwo EV and a 90 mi range BMW e-bike. All bought slightly used and comparably priced to ICE. Abysmal ranges by North American standard yet I had absolutely no intention or need to go back to ICE. That was in Japan, and charging on solar the savings were huge, and I assume same would be for EU too, or anywhere with high gas prices and smaller distances. Here in the rural Midwest now it's a different story, I need the AWD and affordable bigger range, yet our second car will still be an EV once prices calm the fuck down again. Or at minimum something like the Honda Clarity with usable 47 mi EV range. So to Mark's comments in the end, for many who once lived with an EV will be very difficult to want or justify an ICE again. Not having to stop at gas stations or do oil changes, etc., or not having to listen to the whine of a 4-banger - oh joy! Although to be fair the ICE I drive now gives me some nostalgic joy too :)
For a lot of my friends and people I know(2000s+), they would simply look at this and start gushing over it. This video would go over their heads and honestly, they would stop paying attention or struggle to understand anything that happened in the shop segment. Some of that is because its not always simple to understand every trim and the nuances behind powertrains for the casual consumer, but more importantly, some of it is because people do not care and just buy more or less on a whim. I think this is only punishment for a lot of us as enthusiasts, regardless of age. I respect the car and it is a decent product, but it is not built for "us" as a more niche type of discerning consumer demographic.
