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2023 KTM 300SX Two-Stroke TESTED 

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Motocross Action Magazine tests the 2023 KTM 300SX Two Stroke at Glen Helen Raceway. What did we really think of the bike? The $9199 KTM 300SX lives up to the hype. It is ultra-fast, ultra-smooth and ultra-stable. Because the bike is so fast and so comfortable out of the box, we think many riders will be happy with the stock setup and won’t feel the need to add on oodles of aftermarket upgrades.
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@KyleMicena
@KyleMicena Год назад
God bless KTM for continuing to develop 2 strokes.
@racefeen22p
@racefeen22p 11 месяцев назад
If KTM can get the 300 in a supercross or Motocross race and win, that could open the floodgates for other companies to start developing two strokes again.
@scoremxcom
@scoremxcom 11 месяцев назад
God could you please get rid of the AMA?
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
Be sure to support them with your purchases or they will go away. Facts.
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
@racefeen22p Not happening bud ..due to CARB / emissions standards.
@tymotoboy53
@tymotoboy53 Год назад
This bike should be allowed to race by the AMA. The 450 class needs something different and I think bringing the 300sx into the mix will create more diversity rather than an unfair advantage.
@jpesicka999
@jpesicka999 Год назад
💯
@racingjunk7024
@racingjunk7024 Год назад
I think people should be able to race any bike they want . Most of these 450s are detuned so not a advantage
@daneg
@daneg Год назад
the 2-stroke/4-stroke rules have always been tilted toward 4-strokes. some of the rationale used for the displacement "equivalents" aren't even relevant in 2023. but in all honesty, electric isn't far away. putting aside the environmental impact debate, a lot of MX tracks have been closed simply over noise complaints. for that, I give you the Stark Varg. voila. I'm guessing something like 10 years. the unfortunate thing is that electric motors dumb down the skill level required to race. but that's also a complaint 2T fans make of 4T, so...eh. if I could still ride, I'd have one of everything at this point 2T 125 & 250, a 450 4T, and an ez-mode Varg. 😄
@darrylmarbut47
@darrylmarbut47 Год назад
Oh yeah definitely that the only way it could clearly compete as four strokes got so powerful in the last few years
@chrisbeerad8835
@chrisbeerad8835 Год назад
unfair advantage !! it will get smoked
@vintagetrikesandquads4012
@vintagetrikesandquads4012 Год назад
The AMA should allow 300 two strokes to race against 450s. That's a fair equivalence, especially considering you dynoed the KTM at 55 hp, which is in the stock 450 ballpark. Back in the day, they put two strokes at too much of a disadvantage when they limited them to 250cc's.
@FrankyboyGiovanni-yz8qi
@FrankyboyGiovanni-yz8qi Год назад
Enginge horses
@MaxwellKina
@MaxwellKina Год назад
we're back, 2 strokes rock!
@gregroybal348
@gregroybal348 Год назад
I love my 300SX!!! It’s the best 2-stroke I’ve ridden!! The power and handling are top quality! Excellent job Josh! Looking forward to a modified test of this model in the future 👍👍👍
@daneg
@daneg Год назад
glad to hear it. gonna be honest though, a 1994 CR 250 with zero mods beyond a Bill's Pipe had all the power I ever needed as a B rider. though I'm sure modern 4-strokes are easier to ride.
@justincoats7236
@justincoats7236 Год назад
​@@danegI had a 2001 RM 250. My buddy had a new 2011 RM 450. He let me ride it. I thought, it's nicer but not $10,000 nice. I do like extra power and torque of a 450.
@daneg
@daneg Год назад
@@justincoats7236 tbh, I would choose the 2T simply for the ergos/"feel" of the lighter bike. but the extra cost and complexity is insane. TBH, I was shopping around gear in 2024. Alpinestars and SIDI want over $500 for a pair of boots. I could swear I saw models over $600. I mean...really? the sport has always been expensive, but this sheeit is getting absurd. fwiw, KTM's fuel injection 2Ts and electric start, etc. are beginning to close the initial price gap between 2Ts and 4Ts. I'm not sure what to think of that. Does bringing 2Ts into the 2020s warrant an additional $1000? I'm not sure considering much of the reason they still sell is cost and difficulty working on 4Ts. w/e. it's a mess and we'll all be swapping out battery packs between motos in 5-10 years. 😄
@Jrockilla137
@Jrockilla137 Год назад
I haven't ridden mx since 2015 - the part I miss the most is finding a natural jump on some terrain and just hitting it all day until you have it so perfect it's just like butter
@derkbrock5996
@derkbrock5996 Год назад
Would love to see a carson brown type on one of these especially with how the field is looking rn in the 450 class I bet he could top 10
@davidmcnerney3048
@davidmcnerney3048 Год назад
The AMA Needs to let the 300 compete in 450. Every 450 moto this year has been boring other than hearing Matt Burkeen ripping around.
@chrisbeerad8835
@chrisbeerad8835 Год назад
4 strokes been the main bike for a decade and this year is boring !! gotta be something more
@CoolcatAMA-Pro
@CoolcatAMA-Pro Год назад
It BS AMA needs to change the Rules
@jimbo4203
@jimbo4203 Год назад
It's crazy how the AMA is so out of touch and won't change , almost like they try to keep the sport small on purpose
@CoolcatAMA-Pro
@CoolcatAMA-Pro Год назад
AMA & Its Organizer, Get Their Money Comes From the people To wield it's Power
@spacejaime
@spacejaime Год назад
A stock 300cc peaking at 55hp, truly amazing. Wonder what an ECU tweak can do. Probably fatten the powerband and grab a couple of horsies at peak.
@HPRaceDevelopment
@HPRaceDevelopment Год назад
no - yamaha has not use an electronic powervalve, ever TM has and Honda has the yamaha uses an electronic powerjet
@40rpt
@40rpt Год назад
Yes, I heard that also. You think someone would have caught that before the vid was published.
@panic-revv85
@panic-revv85 Год назад
When has Yamaha ever used an electronic power valve on a 2t? I think you're thinking of sherco.
@kellybrown6988
@kellybrown6988 Год назад
Maybe they thinking of Honda’s cr250 RCvalve
@panic-revv85
@panic-revv85 Год назад
@@kellybrown6988 Honda also used a mechanical power valve. Sherco and the KTM brands are the only ones with the electronic PV. Unless Yamaha has some unreleased goodies for 2024.
@derkbrock5996
@derkbrock5996 Год назад
300 should be aloud it 450 class and 250 in the 250 class for the pro nationals it’s a no brainer
@derkbrock5996
@derkbrock5996 Год назад
@@patrickkearney8774 the 2 stroke is faster in stock trim yes but the advantage comes from the rider. Plus a factory 250f against a stock or privateer level 2 stroke is pretty fair and it really comes down to the rider. A lot of people can’t even ride a 2 stroke properly.
@mikebrown41182
@mikebrown41182 Год назад
I think the aftermarket pipes will open up the rev a bit more aswell. Admitting it is great to see KTM pushing the r&d, but a slight concern if they want to mimmick the four stroke powerband, i think two stroke should keep the classical bark, but that is my subjective opinion.
@WilliamStewart1
@WilliamStewart1 Год назад
The traditional 2 stroke powerband is what makes them not competitive, spinning isn't winning.
@koybaker643
@koybaker643 Год назад
I just got my 24 300 SX can't wait to rip it this weekend! 🤘
@kelliebrooks9094
@kelliebrooks9094 Год назад
Great video its always nice to watch someone shred a new mx bike on a sunny day...especially one that sound propper
@gamermoejoe
@gamermoejoe Год назад
Love my new 250sx! A PC pipe and silencer is a big improvement over the FMF equipment though IMO
@steveg56
@steveg56 7 месяцев назад
Which combination did you go with?
@Krondelo
@Krondelo 10 месяцев назад
I was privy to ride this bike. Not track tested but damn I loved it!! 9/10.
@motoxmatt
@motoxmatt 10 месяцев назад
Love the testing videos!
@Zarigueya007
@Zarigueya007 Год назад
I,ve got one. It’s a nice machine. Powerful and easy to ride. My previous bike was a 150SX 2018
@andy5786
@andy5786 Год назад
Really like the KTM 300 its sounds great brilliant test josh thanks👍👏
@kellybrown6988
@kellybrown6988 Год назад
I must’ve got a knockoff yz250, bc mine doesn’t have a electric power valve 😢
@HotBlooded_21
@HotBlooded_21 Год назад
Marked! Best regard from the Philippines! 2stroke user. I can smell the smoke 💨💨💨🤘🤘🤘
@86rustbucket
@86rustbucket Год назад
Hopefully will see the full 2023 TC250 review soon. We had a 2023 TC250, it didn’t even compare to our 2019 TC250. Might have just been the fact that we had more than 100 hours riding the 2019 and were used to the power hit, but the 2023 felt very muted, even down on power versus the 2019. Also, add the fact that the 2023 was significantly heavier. AND…finding parts for the 2023 is just about impossible. Almost nothing available and if it is, parts are on back order. Sold it back to the dealer after putting about 10 hours on it…..😢
@spacejaime
@spacejaime Год назад
Josh - I've never seen you this fast at Glenn Helen (on video, of course). You are truly hauling butt!
@urbanhagman2078
@urbanhagman2078 Год назад
I had one for 4 hours. Sold it because of bad knee... Bike felt really rigid in frame and suspension at first. A little better already after 4 hours. I was happy with the ergonomics of the 300 SX. Engine character didn't make me all smiles. The rev limiter is a problem IMO. My old Husky TC 300 -18, with Keihin carb and lots of mods (RK Tek head, FMF pipe et c), pulls stronger everywhere in the powerband and revs far longer. A few tweaks with the ECU and some more time to soften it up I think the 300SX will be a winner though.
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
Will be a winner 🏆 for sure!
@oskarfrye9971
@oskarfrye9971 Год назад
I like the FI instant power from the bottom end!
@kawicepticon8866
@kawicepticon8866 Год назад
I bet with some ecu tuning they can be made to fly on the big end while retaining some bottom end and throttle response especially on c12 with port timing changes and pip to suit . We are now in a new age of 2t boys :) Time will tell
@andrewmarshall360
@andrewmarshall360 Год назад
Never ridden one, however I would love to build one starting from stock . Nice bike !
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
Get one! I am. If we don't they won't build em anymore. Facts.
@daneg
@daneg Год назад
OMG. I had to go back to 1:00 and rewatch twice. I thought at first that you were pouring premix directly into the gas tank and I was like, "NOOOOOO!!!!" 😄
@barnescycle
@barnescycle Год назад
I've been waiting for this one
@marcusbarnes5929
@marcusbarnes5929 Год назад
Whats KTM recomended premix ratio for the new fuel injected 300sx ?
@mxhusky5308
@mxhusky5308 Год назад
I love my 300SX!!!
@mikebarger3563
@mikebarger3563 Год назад
TPItuning has remaps available for the TBI bikes.
@Lee-mx5li
@Lee-mx5li Год назад
Good job on video
@stevefowler2112
@stevefowler2112 4 месяца назад
"you can't remap your new KTM ECU"...as a recently retired Aerospace/Computer/Software Engineer with a large American defense contractor who was a Principal S.E. on the F35 Flight Dynamics and Battle Space Management software suites, breaking into any commercial CU on the planet only requires some sniffer software and enough computing cycles; intel i7 or up or AMD Ryzen CPU to overpower whatever security they have. With the current automative or motorcycle ECU's, it's about a 30 minute job.
@ianmangham4570
@ianmangham4570 Год назад
These are awesome beast's
@georgecarmel6114
@georgecarmel6114 Год назад
I thought the AMA allowed 270cc in the 450f class and 134cc in the 250f class?
@TrueNorth13
@TrueNorth13 Год назад
I truly appreciate ktm for this
@alincdhr
@alincdhr Год назад
Hey Josh, the front end doesn't feel as planted to me, and I have remember to lean forward more on eccelaration than a husky/ktm 250 or 350 4 stroke. What is your take on that?
@jordanthomas7043
@jordanthomas7043 Год назад
Coming off a 350 I felt the same. Ended up fixing with both running less sag and running forks higher in clamps. Spring forks also give you more front end bite. Just my 2 cents
@andrewmarshall360
@andrewmarshall360 Год назад
With the new fi you might be able to get away with 40 /1 on decent fuel . Mapping plays a huge part as well.
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
Maybe. Then buy premixed fuel from VP or ETS. -NY
@keelangerken5154
@keelangerken5154 Год назад
1: Can't believe Josh got this one wrong, It was Honda that started the Electric Servo driven powervalve using cables. 2: the older 19+ 250sx was a much faster, much more powerful bike, especially when paired with any carb that isn't a Mikuni. The Yamaha has a Kiehin and that's one of the reasons why they have more response off idle. 3: These new ktm 2 strokes feel slow because they are designed to Dig, and maintain traction much like a 4 stroke, making them easier to ride, thus allowing riders to hold on longer without fatigue.
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
Sounds good to me!
@ianmangham4570
@ianmangham4570 Год назад
Mad Power 💯🤟💪
@jdub976
@jdub976 Год назад
I have to think KTM is working on getting these in to racing. This bike is a direct competitor with a 450 otherwise why build such an awesome bike. Thank you hope they can get this thing in.
@chrisvids1820
@chrisvids1820 Год назад
Nice hp numbers. What about the torque?
@NickyP902
@NickyP902 Год назад
2024 is out now lol
@ndegraafndg
@ndegraafndg Год назад
Now that I cant ride anymore they release this bike, I would of loved this thing. I rode a friends bike with a 280 big bore in the 250sx and it was amazing, I imagine this is just that much better with the EFI. Love the 2 strokes and love that KTM hasn't given up on them. Canada has a rule that you can ride up to a 285cc two stoke, wonder if they will up that to 295 or something to let this bike be legal.
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
Get one! I am. 💯
@andrewmarshall360
@andrewmarshall360 Год назад
Weapon in certain classes . Do they allow them in isde ?
@Climb_Trees
@Climb_Trees Год назад
That is a good looking bike
@adisantoso2602
@adisantoso2602 Год назад
Mantab Bang...mesin 2 tak khas suaranya
@maxrpm2215
@maxrpm2215 Год назад
It even looks better on the track than the 4strokes
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
That's purely subjective bud. We are better off with ALL types MX bikes. Not 1 type.
@francisguerrero3240
@francisguerrero3240 Год назад
You shred😎
@Runk3lsmcdougal
@Runk3lsmcdougal Год назад
I think I would want to wait for tuning options if I was looking into these tbis myself
@d.m.7234
@d.m.7234 Год назад
they can crack the ecu i already have mine remapped greetings from Europe
@Runk3lsmcdougal
@Runk3lsmcdougal Год назад
@@d.m.7234 good to know
@Mineratron
@Mineratron Год назад
@@d.m.7234 cool. How is it?
@joenobody2580
@joenobody2580 7 месяцев назад
Whose the 2stroke pilot ? Dude can ride 🤙🏻
@kelliebrooks9094
@kelliebrooks9094 Год назад
I will say this KTM just killed their shot i do FMX an im building a small SX track i was thinking of getting a 23 YZ 250R 2 smoke but i heard good about the 300 ktm and to me the 300cc 2 smoker is the right size...but i hate rev limiters that why us hard core 40 year mxers cant stand 4 stroke noise...i like the 2 stroke because that full song is so sweat
@Davido50
@Davido50 9 месяцев назад
Get one. You will love it. It's amazingly smooth & strong!
@daveyboy7305
@daveyboy7305 Год назад
Is it competitive with a 450 ?
@ggilesy
@ggilesy Год назад
Gimme one of these over my YZ450f any day! That looks sick as!
@massboys7313
@massboys7313 Год назад
I thought you were allowed to run a 250 2 stroke in the 250f class in amateur races?
@anthonymejia5964
@anthonymejia5964 Год назад
ill make sure to get one for me and my girfriend so we can cruise the offroads of Ocotepeque Honduras
@keithkeller698
@keithkeller698 Год назад
Yamaha never used an electronic powe valve. Honda did.
@davidgledhilljr71
@davidgledhilljr71 Год назад
Hey man. That was a great test. Your best so far. Very descriptive. Specs are awesome, but the seat of the pants analysis is the best. Slower pace. Very nice. Thank you. That bike is awesome. The front wheel constantly off the ground is perfect. The AMA needs to readjust the rules, as they did with 4strokes, to allow them to compete. Two strokes now require the same. Would broaden our sport, create dynamic variety in racing, and satisfy the eternal dirt bike question: two or four stroke? Which is better- playing out on the world stage! Ohhhh yeaaahhhh. Let's lobby.
@kelliebrooks9094
@kelliebrooks9094 Год назад
Sounds factory team bike going up the hills oh my
@YZ250W1
@YZ250W1 9 месяцев назад
Some of us will be on two strokes until we die. I'm still on my YZ250. Not changing any time soon. No on the electric start, everything else is cool.
@kelliebrooks9094
@kelliebrooks9094 Год назад
Im building a small supercross track in my front yard an this 300cc engine of a 2 stroke is my ideal first choice...or mitch is gonna build me a maxxxed out 23 yz 250cc 2 S
@johndepperschmidt8984
@johndepperschmidt8984 Год назад
Looking forward to the Beta/TM/Husky/Sherco shootout.
@teamflanneloutdoors5631
@teamflanneloutdoors5631 Год назад
FANTIC as well would be cool👌🏻
@Ranger4444
@Ranger4444 Год назад
Is MXA running 100% pump gas on the 300sx?
@corey-em8kn
@corey-em8kn Год назад
Seems to run thr best on vp 110 or t2. Cleans up much faster and you can tell the crisp feeling on power.
@shondalewashington3239
@shondalewashington3239 Год назад
Great job ktm the premix is better then oil injection
@-GodIsGreat-
@-GodIsGreat- Год назад
That bike is sick!! But I'm still waitin patiently on that new KAWI 250 smoker to be released 😭😭😭 #Kawi4Lyfe
@stevefowler2112
@stevefowler2112 4 месяца назад
..."or you really needed to know what you were doing"...therein is the key to going fast on a two stroke!
@dylanjames4537
@dylanjames4537 Год назад
Ama needs to sanction the 300cc 2t capacity to the 450cc class and a 150cc 2t to the 250f class my 2c, I'd buy another new ktm 2 stroke next.
@jimmysmyth7510
@jimmysmyth7510 Год назад
Can the 300 be raced at district ama races?
@Runk3lsmcdougal
@Runk3lsmcdougal Год назад
In open classes absolutely. 250/450 a b c classes I don't know
@kelliebrooks9094
@kelliebrooks9094 Год назад
Yeah test a ktm against its self...i like the white plastic....thats main difference that an probably frame geometry...the huskys look so cool
@bryarjamak
@bryarjamak Год назад
How tall are you ? in foot our CM ? pls
@andrewmarshall360
@andrewmarshall360 Год назад
With e start ,light and quiet pipe I could make it to the store and back before anyone noticed.
@dhdyrjfmenrydka
@dhdyrjfmenrydka Год назад
busssin
@rong4911
@rong4911 4 месяца назад
Call up noleen and see if they would make a long rod kit for it.
@rong4911
@rong4911 4 месяца назад
I mean it has been a while since anyone has sported a L.R. kit.
@shmirdonkin
@shmirdonkin Год назад
What does a two-stroke on the rev limiter sound like? You guys want to make a follow-up video with it?
@_WatsoBrii94_
@_WatsoBrii94_ Год назад
The first 2 mins you can hear him in the limiter go back and watch it
@shmirdonkin
@shmirdonkin Год назад
I only hear a warble when he revs in the air. Kind of a let down.😂
@Corteum
@Corteum Год назад
Here's a question:- Why do AMA rules for the 450 class limit the max displacement for 2-strokes to 250cc? Isn't that a bit weird? It seems so stuplt to me why you would even make a rule like that. I mean, why does that rule even exist? Maybe it'st time that they updated the rulebook to allow for anything from 150 up to 350cc 2-stroke engines. Thoughts?
@viggohansen2754
@viggohansen2754 Год назад
Holy sh## i really want one now
@Pompomgrenade
@Pompomgrenade Год назад
😂I NEED one..
@kelliebrooks9094
@kelliebrooks9094 Год назад
I am really exception at holeshot in motocross...one thing i do is shift really fast like an air shifter...that would be away to work around the rev limiter...i get upset with all the 4 stroke panic revving use that power to drive away on landing..its not good for any race motor to free rev its the worst thing u can do to it....if u want it to last...money is no object no worry about it
@ChunDayOfficial
@ChunDayOfficial 9 месяцев назад
2 stroke all the way
@johnlastname2895
@johnlastname2895 Год назад
Yamaha yz250 with electronic power valve??? Do you mean the old Honda cr250 that hasn't been made in 16 years? What the hell are you talking about??
@andrewmarshall360
@andrewmarshall360 Год назад
34 to 1 ?
@randysmith8604
@randysmith8604 Год назад
This bike probably would be sick with a paddle in the sand dunes
@whiteman3075
@whiteman3075 Год назад
Yamaha does not use an electronic power valve and any of there 2 strokes dirt bikes so not sure where you got the false information. Honda did use an electronic power valve on certain years of there cr250. The efi system has n these bikes is not a very good design that’s why the carb versions will all make more horsepower. Efi on a two stroke is very hard to get to work properly to get best performance. Yes they are achieving better fuel economy and smoother power but it’s never going to be the performance of the carburetors. I love the evolution bulgur they are making the 2 stroke too complex and taking away from the simplicity.
@darrylmarbut47
@darrylmarbut47 Год назад
They got minor complaints about the inertia of that 300 kind of making a bike want to stand up not layover and flickg as easy talk about a bike that's a b**** to lay over and flicking a corner that's a kx500
@Northwoodz1961
@Northwoodz1961 Год назад
In the first couple of minutes you stated TWICE that KTM has never produced a 300SX for motocross? WRONG!!!! I owned / raced the very first year of the 300SX in 1992! And I'm pretty sure there were many other years.
@andrewmarshall360
@andrewmarshall360 Год назад
Fancy
@user-ti2fd9ih6j
@user-ti2fd9ih6j 8 месяцев назад
2025 they need to step it up to a real big bore 360cc is the magic displacement they will no longer need a rev limiter because you will be more then satisfied with the power and the motor will last longer also.
@mattcowlard4662
@mattcowlard4662 Год назад
Yamaha does not have an electric power valve lol this magazine company think they know everything TM have been making a 300 for 25 years soon as KTM make one they can't stop talking about them, do a head to head with a TM 300 you won't because they don't pay your bills
@cbogolo
@cbogolo Год назад
4 strokes made racing boring especially supercross. It takes less skill and the creativity from the rider having everyone pretty much running the same lines
@cbogolo
@cbogolo Год назад
It would have made since to not let 300 2 strokes race 20 years ago but it's stupid to not let them race now with all the advances the 4 strokes made since they came out making 250 2 strokes pretty much obsolete in racing
@jasonlawrence8302
@jasonlawrence8302 11 месяцев назад
this 300sx sems like a futuristic cr500 lol
@kelliebrooks9094
@kelliebrooks9094 Год назад
Traction traction traction
@Santor-
@Santor- Год назад
Something is def wrong when one have to "work hard to crack the ecu", when one are buying competition equipment. There is zero reasonable excuses for locking the owner out. No buy.
@aaronw1338
@aaronw1338 Год назад
No Kickstart? I'm out
@paulelm4645
@paulelm4645 Год назад
It's not a full 300cc it's 294
@daneg
@daneg Год назад
it feels backwards to me that a 4-stroke likes to be revved but the 2-stroke does not.
@SPCRacing1
@SPCRacing1 Год назад
It’s always been that way.
@daneg
@daneg Год назад
@@SPCRacing1 yeah. terminology error on my part. I was seeing "rev" and I was thinking "keep the RPMs in the power band" (100% the most difficult thing on a 2T vs. 4T). the revving (especially with 250 4Ts) is definitely a constant.
@kelliebrooks9094
@kelliebrooks9094 Год назад
Ur test rider looks more comfortble on this 300 then he did on the 23 crf honda 250fourstroke R...tell him to stsy off the honda he no look comfortble at all
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