2024 Leisure Travel Vans Changes Revealed, PRICE HIKE COMING?

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🚐💨 We're unveiling the highly anticipated changes in the 2024 Leisure Travel Vans lineup, including the Wonder and the Unity! But the question on everyone's mind is: are these upgrades worth the price tag?
Here I give my thoughts on the new changes for the Mercedes Benz Sprinter, including new powertrain. I also dive into the new Truma air conditioning, the standard Dragonfly / Battle Born Lithium batteries and other new standard features for Leisure Travel Vans.
But all these improvements come at a cost. Are these 2024 Leisure Travel Vans worth the investment? Stick around to hear our thoughts on the pricing, value, and whether upgrading from a previous model is the right move for you.
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@Makeitblue127 Год назад

Some smart changes for ‘24, but LTV needs to offer more options to the customers, rather than going backwards and forcing the purchase of items that many customers aren’t interested, lithium batteries in particular.

@Pagosa Год назад

At least at that price is insane

@itsPreznt Год назад

Totally agree. I would not like being forced to pay for batteries that I have to change out or add more to. The solar panels should now become standard if they are going to lithium batteries.

@Makeitblue127 Год назад

@@itsPreznt They should offer way more options. I think the folks that are into power upgrading (lithium, solar, big inverters) want to choose the brands anyway. I don’t even my generator unless it’s an emergency, so I could that space that it takes up.

@itsPreznt Год назад

@@Makeitblue127 not to mention the weight lugging it around and the fuel mileage loss because of it...

@Bossladylj Год назад

GREAT VIDEO!!! I need to get on the wait-list ASAP. I want a Unity Rear Lounge/Murphy Bed.

@Pagosa Год назад

Yes!

@dpfreeman1 Год назад

Thanks for your review

@Pagosa Год назад

😃

@jeep4dirt Год назад

Love that 3 way fridge😊

@Pagosa Год назад

😀

@user-mg7ez3og3y 9 месяцев назад

Great video!!!

@Pagosa 8 месяцев назад

Glad you liked it!

@babarock2000 Год назад

Because of the problems with the Ford chassis and alignment issues we were only considering a Unity. Seems like lots of negatives and almost no positives for a significantly higher price. I guess I need to look for a 2020 to 2023 model. I'm starting to think a Winnebago View/Navion may be a good alternative.

@tonytwaanderson Год назад

What are the problems with the Ford chassis?

@Pagosa Год назад

I had not heard of these issues with the Ford, can you elaborate?

@babarock2000 Год назад

@@Pagosa ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-esw81Tmpn4w.html From Endless RVing. I also continue to read about Ford based RV owners having a lot of problems finding any Ford dealer that will work on chassis/drive train issues. We had been looking at the Wonder as I really didn't want to pay the extra for diesel.

@babarock2000 Год назад

@@tonytwaanderson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-esw81Tmpn4w.html From Endless RVing. I also continue to read about Ford based RV owners having a lot of problems finding any Ford dealer that will work on chassis/drive train issues. We had been looking at the Wonder as I really didn't want to pay the extra for diesel.

@Ande0320 Год назад

@@tonytwaanderson there aren’t any that I’ve heard of.

@noworries.8601 Год назад

Hello and thank you for the video. Although, I agree with your point, to buy used. April 28 I took ownership of a 2023 WFTB AWD. She has exceeded every expectation and I would do it all over again. I am referring to the 2 year and 9 month wait. Thank you again.

@Pagosa Год назад

Congrats! See you out on the road!

@kv3417 7 месяцев назад

I was considering buying one but those prices keep increasing, I'm building my own it would be more fun.

@Pagosa 7 месяцев назад

Building one would be awesome

@bourbontraveler Год назад

Great video Just wondering how high they can go with pricing. I’ve owned 2 and you always got great value for price. 200 grand, my last 2 cost under 135.

@Pagosa Год назад

Really interesting to see where the pinnacle is.

@bourbontraveler Год назад

@@Pagosa yea I guess they’ll get to a point where the wait list is back to a year or so. I think that’s in the near future with interest rates and market saturation.

@rogerkarstofsky9208 11 месяцев назад

I resently ordered a 2024 unity RL model, I ordered the Alcoa wheels option only to find out there are no TPMS with these wheels. To my surprise Mercedes steel wheels have the TPMS as standard.I know there are after market TPMS available. What are your thoughts?

@Pagosa 11 месяцев назад

If you add TPMS, you have to change out the valves to the Borg metal valves. There are quite a few folks who have done this and these can have constant slow leaks, so airing up tires all the time. I opted to just check our pressure in each tire on drive days and I carry a Viair if any need air.

@JohnSeitz Год назад

The new 2.0 twin turbo engine has no turbo lag (nothing to do with transmission, rather a staged turbo design). Biggest reason to get the 2.0 is diesel fuel. It supports b20 diesel. Unlike the outgoing 3.0 diesel which forbids bio and if you must - change the oil much more quickly and fuel filter 10k or less.

@Pagosa Год назад

Thanks for the info. Really looking forward to some real world experience with the new drive train.

@hrustar Год назад

I wish the Merc used gas. I wont go diesel. It's coslty and a pia with DEF. Gas is simple, efficient and abundant.

@jellyfish181 Год назад

Very lucky here to find a nice used Wonder. I cancelled my order which I would have done anyway because of the 30K price increase.

@Pagosa Год назад

Nice!

@mr.stickyfingers3189 11 месяцев назад

Would you buy this over a Grech Strada ion? Since the Unity price with the solar panel option and others are now priced well over 200k

@Pagosa 11 месяцев назад

They are two totally different things. The Grech is a class B, so significantly smaller with a wet bath. The LTV is a class c and much larger, especially those with slides. I don’t know what the use for a class b over a small class c is, other than parking a bit easier, so I would go with the spaciousness of the LTV

@bb.cute.channel Год назад

We are looking for a 19’ RV with DRY BATH (separate toilet and shower) like the Roadtrek Pilot and a drop down bed from the ceiling like the Wingamm Oasi. Can Leisure Van design one? 🙏🙏🙏🙏

@Pagosa Год назад

I would love for them to do a class B!

@Ande0320 Год назад

I want to know more about the new digital camera? Is it a full time rear / front camera?

@Pagosa Год назад

I'm interested as well. I don't have any details yet

@ericstrong54 10 месяцев назад

I have read all new Sprinters have AWD. Will the Unity be AWD? Totally agree with other commenters- they are way behind the curve on lithium. Enjoy your channel.

@Pagosa 10 месяцев назад

I haven't heard if they will offer the AWD for Leisures yet, but would be nice!

@rvtalltales9327 Год назад

Dragonfly now has 270 amp lithium battery, that should be offered as an ltv option.

@jonathanhiron341 Год назад

At LTV prices that would likely mean $$6-7k for a single battery. Nice to see higher capacity. Hopefully one day at a lower $/AH. It looks promising and hopefully LTV offers that capacity but at a lower cost per AH. That would take some of the sting out of it.

@Pagosa Год назад

The problem with Dragonfly is they don't have great battery density tech. That's where Lithionics shines, as well as a few other brands. The 270 would not fit in the LTV battery bay.

@Pagosa Год назад

Yes, and if they had gone with Lithionics, would have to pay a fortune for a battery easily accesible and easy install aftermarket.

@johnmreale 10 месяцев назад

Have you ever looked at the Coach House RV brand? If so, what are your thoughts? Thanks.

@Pagosa 10 месяцев назад

I’ve never been in one, but I’m sure they are good. Same chassis, and thought process, so should be fine

@mcelroychandler6267 2 месяца назад

Are they adding awd and new Mercedes chassis to the unity line?

@Pagosa 2 месяца назад

The new 4cyl diesel is already on newer LTVs, and hopefully they will incorporate AWD in the Unity at some point

@mcelroychandler6267 2 месяца назад

That would be nice.

@angelpeterson9843 11 месяцев назад

I just watched the LTV 2024 Unity video. Did they discontinue the stair cover?

@Pagosa 10 месяцев назад

I think stair cover is only in the MB

@robgrune3284 9 месяцев назад

agree, changes to the Unity on MB chassis will likely increase the price. But some changes have increased value to owners. The Wonder model is aptly named, as I wonder why anybody would choose to own anything made by Ford.

@Pagosa 8 месяцев назад

I've never heard a Wonder owner complain about their Ford, so I don't think there is a cause for concern. I also own an F350 to pull my Airstream and it's fantastic.

@Kevin-eu8vb Год назад

I think the new Truma eco air conditioner could be a good change for 2024 models. I got my new LTV 2023 RL last month and tried a two days weekend camping last week. Everything worked fantastic except for the air conditioner. It is too noisy during the night and we were always woken up every time it started. I have already set up the air flow to Low, but it is still too loud. Maybe the new Truma eco air could change this situation.

@Pagosa Год назад

It's a great addition. You can solve your issue with a soft start. You won't be able to hear the compressor kick on at all. pagosasupply.co/ac

@Kevin-eu8vb Год назад

Wow, good to know, thanks a lot!

@Kevin-eu8vb Год назад

When will the plug and play version of the soft start release? I can’t want to buy one😂

@richardbanks6025 Год назад

Doesn't matter the price, you can't get one for 2 years so the price will be higher by then anyway. This company only produces about 4 month.

@Pagosa Год назад

It’s getting better as far as timeline. The price increases have made the waitlist much better. They produce about 1,000 per year

@evquietcornerct3210 Год назад

@@Pagosa prices have gotten out of control. newmar is now offering incentives to take delivery of in stock coaches before june 30th 2023, on new coaches in dealer inventory. they have not done this in many years. aging inventory on the class A driveables is becoming an issue. it could certainly become the same on the smaller rigs.

@jonathanhiron341 Год назад

@@evquietcornerct3210 Canada gets about 10% of the units so only about 80 across the entire country. I have phoned 2 dealers so far and one has a build time of September and the other Feb so not so bad. Plus dealers are discount upwards of 6% off MSRP with zero negotiation. Times are very different. RV shipments year over year are down 50% and motorized 20%. We are seeing more and more cancellations also making it easier to get one sooner. I missed out on 3 different chances at getting a 2023 immediately last month simply because I only seriously started looking this month. So there are more opportunities to get an LTV sooner. Plus I see most other motorized Sprinter RVs with a minimum of 25% off and some hitting 40% off. Which includes Coachmen Prism Elite, Jayco Melbourne, Winnie Navion ... At the moment LTV is in a bubble and fortunate position that right now demand is still keeping prices inflated.

@deborahallford7337 Год назад

All the more reason to shop for a lovingly used LTV.

@Pagosa Год назад

Yep!

@marchanchak4650 Год назад

Has anyone heard what the new towing capacity would be? I know the smaller I-4 has more torque and horsepower, but I'd love to hear from someone if they know the towing capacity. I do worry that the motor is going to be wound-out all the time at the top of its revs for towing. Thoughts?

@Pagosa Год назад

I’ve heard it is the same towing capacity. Not sure if additional engine strain is associated though

@kevinkimball715 Год назад

The lack of a tpms for the MB chassis (with frame only) is astounding. That's a MB issue; not a Leisure Van issue. I also think they could do away with the Winegard system. Totally useless and if you try to use it to boost wifi, it degrades the speed significantly. It is also hard to use from a consumer point of view. You made a comment about lithionics and Winnebago that I did not understand. Would you elaborate on that?

@Pagosa Год назад

Agree with the TPMS, insane. Winnebago Industries bought Lithionics, yet Stephen will still run the company as usual. The only thing that will change is other OEMs not having the ability to utilize Lithionics.

@kevinkimball715 Год назад

@@Pagosa So will we still have access to the Lithionics batteries? At the time I ordered my Unity, I included the lithium upgrade. By the time I received the RV, new options (e.g., lithionics) were now out there that weren't available at the time of order. I haven't boondocked enough to see how I tax the 200 ah setup, but I still would like to have an upgrade option that I could do should I need more power. I guess you are saying that other RV manufacturer's won't have access.

@Pagosa Год назад

@@kevinkimball715 correct, you can still order online at pagosasupply.co - Nothing changes at all for the consumer.

@Makeitblue127 Год назад

Lithium really needs to be an option

@Pagosa Год назад

For sure

@johnhodge1263 Год назад

Would like to see a real life unity conversion using the new Mercedes Electric Sprinter chassis.

@Pagosa Год назад

That would be cool. Someday!

@johnhodge1263 Год назад

@@Pagosa I imagine due to battery placement & weight the range would be poor compared to current RVs. Hopefully Battery technology will improve in years to come.

@briangasser973 3 месяца назад

The LTV coaches are impressive, but the price seems to make this a very expensive luxury purchase.

@Pagosa 3 месяца назад

Any Sprinter based RV is def a luxury item. Much less expensive alternatives like Transit based, Ford E450, etc

@dns16372 Год назад

Brandon, do you still have your Maverick? I figure now that you have an Airstream you don't need to tow behind your Unity. Anyway, if you want to sell it let me know. Thanks, Dan.

@Pagosa Год назад

I do have it. We decided not to set it up to tow since we do have the Airstream, but Janet loves it and would kill me if I sold it, lol

@PRESA25 Год назад

I really love your channel and what you do. Dean is an excellent rep for LTV but It is a bit out of hand with the pricing and wait times. I feel the brand is sought after because they are hard to get. Yes its a good product but so is the Tiffany or renegade. And you can get them for much less. Use that money on solar upgrades or what ever. It’s crazy that people are placing orders and still getting several price hikes before the are ready 2 years later. Unethical IMO. I will still support your retail site, watch your videos and listen to your podcasts. But I am over this LTV.

@Pagosa Год назад

Thanks for all the support. Hopefully the pricing and wait times get better.

@Lolaandcassidyadventures Год назад

LTV needs to do the Volta power system and Timberline diesel heater system then no propane!:)

@Pagosa Год назад

That would be nice

@markgoldner3083 Год назад

My dealer in Ohio says new orders are out 5 years! Yikes!😮

@Pagosa Год назад

Wonder orders are estimated at that. Unity is much sooner

@jerrybrooks6066 Год назад

Still no TPMS on new Unity?

@Pagosa Год назад

Dang, guess not. Didn’t even dawn on me

@ecwynkoop Год назад

Can you not just swap out the Lithium batteries for something else from big Battery? The footprint is similar enough you can get 2 big batteries in there and swap out the inverter for the 3K watt? Easy enough to sell the batteries to not lose the money. Is there something else I'm missing on why you couldnt put better batteries and Inverter in? The wiring schematic supports it.

@Pagosa Год назад

Absolutely, we do it all the time. My point was that they now force you to pay 4200 for batteries you can sell for $600 each. Before this, you could get the free AGM and swap out to lithium. But now you are wasting $4200 because it’s a standard feature if you want to switch to a better solution.

@ecwynkoop Год назад

@@Pagosa I gotcha. Ok I actually just wanted to confirm that as my plan is to do exactly that and wanted to make sure there wasn't something I was missing. Thanks. I was slightly worried I was gonna be stuck with their little Dragonfly batteries.

@lakrfan4980 3 месяца назад

The battery upgrade is definitely a negative because a higher capacity Lithionics battery would be much more cost effective.

@Pagosa 2 месяца назад

Yes. Factory lithium is 2X - 3X cost of better aftermarket

@reempire888 9 месяцев назад

You'd be a fool to buy an RV cost over 200k. Value drops faster then you can say cat in the hat. For an average Joe, buy a house in the cheapest state would be a wiser choice/investment than an RV.

@Pagosa 8 месяцев назад

RV folks generally know it's not a financial gain situation, but an investment in life. And many people who buy 200K RVs also have investments that are paying off for them already.

@hrustar Год назад

I'm not sure I follow your logic on the batteries. Yes, Dragon Fly is expensive - no argument. But, I've looked at Lithionics. That's just as expensive. The 320 amp hour is $4,500 and a similar, 260 amp hour is $3,000. Do you know of some super low price seller? Do you get preferred pricing from Lithionics?

@Pagosa Год назад

The pricing is basically the same, but the Lithionics has 60% more capacity. It’s like a free extra dragonfly plus 1/3 of another for basically same price. Lithionics also has built in Bluetooth so no need for a $160 smart shunt. Lithionics also has auto heating instead of manual switch. Dragonfly’s are like flip phones at iPhone pro max price. So I’m saying if you are paying that price; get the Lithionics

@sherryb8133 Год назад

@@Pagosa Living in the Midwest and storing outside, the automatic heater was an absolute must! Love it on the lithionics; one less thing to worry about.

@davidmandell9909 3 месяца назад

A 4 cylinder turbo on an RV? Absolutely a no go.......

@Pagosa 3 месяца назад

All reports say more power and 20+ MPG. Plus if you want a Sprinter, it is what it is.

@amiralions2681 10 месяцев назад

It's starting to sound as if it's cheaper to just import a nice RV from Germany.

@Pagosa 10 месяцев назад

Getting there!

@larrygray1557 Год назад

An alternate thought on the anticipated price increase, there may be another scenario that would not be as adverse. Price increase coming is the easy guestimate projection, but look at the industry. As you begin to see softness in pricing, other manufacturers are significantly discounting, albiet from a higher MSRP, but the percentages approaching the 30+% range. LTV historically has been loath to discount, which together with their production schedule control limiting supply is actually a good thing. Discounts throw existing customers under the bus (or RV???) as it impacts used sales. hith the weakness in the market overall, it may provide an opportunity to increase value and have little, or moderate adjustment in MSRP and still have a level of profitability. Will be interesting to see what is finally published as they roll into the 2024's.

@jonathanhiron341 Год назад

Just saw a 2023 Newmar Dutchstar MSRP 599k on for $299k. And one person stated that they thought they were providing dealers with rebates. Not something heard of for a very long time. Yes, LTV not overbuilding and keeping demand higher than supply is fortunate for resale but not so much new buyers like myself. At least if I join the family I can benefit from such a strategy. The only grip I really have is having to pay so much for the force lithium only to have to replace it all for the capacity I desire. In the big picture a rounding error to the overall price but a bad task in ones mouth.

@Pagosa Год назад

I think LTV, being a small manufacturer with stellar reputation could price at whatever they like. I think they started out too low in the first place, and these massive hikes now are a pain point.

@mikekarena Год назад

If you can’t supply within two years, a price hike is really a joke.

@Pagosa Год назад

Something is worth what people are willing to pay, so don’t see the demand waning anytime soon

@CharlesAnsman Год назад

With the recession right around the corner, they will be dropping the price

@Pagosa Год назад

Lot's of the price increase will be due to the MB chassis change, so not sure they will be able to

@jasoncruz3506 Год назад

Definitely lower tow capacity

@Pagosa Год назад

I don't think so, think it's the same

@czealtamahawk1228 5 месяцев назад

Hi, why don't you talk about the real problems owning wonder and unity or any leisure RV? Like obsolete generator, propane fumes inside when cooking, inadequate solar, inverter, batteries, cheap macerator hose, obsolete 4gLTE booster antenna, 6k awd upgrade, loud generator, crappy diesel Mercedes engine and Ford gas engine loosing power? Am just getting started. LYV need engineering and innovation changes a decade ago. RV trader are flooded with this brand that aren't being sold like most crappy RV brands. smh

@Pagosa 5 месяцев назад

I think you don’t quite understand how RVs work, lol

@vinoto 5 месяцев назад

He's not wrong. LTV tech is outdated for the price. There are companies like Pleasureway and Panoramoc with better tech and better build quality. And your channel is so biased at this point to be trustworthy.

@vinoto 5 месяцев назад

@Pagosa 5 месяцев назад

Actaully RV tech (which I assume you are talking about the electric system), should always be aftermarket to get the best and save the most. Anytime you purchase an RV with an amazing off grid system, you are paying 2-4 times more than that system is worth. Manufacturers mark up considerably what retail is. People don't pay the premium on LTVs or Airstreams for "tech", they are purchasing a brand that holds value the best as well as has great community. I am very biased through experience. Own both LTV and Airstream and head and shoulders above competition such as pleasure way. Just look at the used market and you will see what those brands can be bought for after 1-3 years, then look at LTV. @@vinoto

@mreger6 Год назад

Now that LTV is going with Lithium, why doesn't LTV use Ford Transit AWD for the Boondocking Beach Folks. Set yourself apart.

@Pagosa Год назад

They have a Ford Transit AWD model now.

@re575817 Год назад

This awesome for rich people. Oh well.

@Pagosa Год назад

They are expensive

@czealtamahawk1228 5 месяцев назад

Dean is hallucinating salesperson who's trying to squeeze the goodies ignoring all the baddies. Typical LTV puppet

@Pagosa 5 месяцев назад

I’ll let him know

@sidk4515 6 месяцев назад

Way way over priced You could buy a lovely home for that price. Vehicles lose value the moment you drive them off the lot compared to a house that appreciates in value.

@Pagosa 6 месяцев назад

I actually sold my LTV for more than I paid in 2020 recently. That’s rare for RVs, but LTVs hold value better than most. Also, RVs are not financial investments, they are life investments. Can’t take it with you, so enjoy experiences if you can.

@danatmatchvox Год назад

Your over negativity towards the dragonfly battery is disconcerting

@Pagosa Год назад

Not the battery, the price. I think it’s a disservice to the consumer to force charge double retail for basic batteries. Should allow for cheap batteries from factory and allow to replace with better solution. Sorry if it appeared negative toward the battery, but it’s not good for the consumer.

@jonathanhiron341 Год назад

@@Pagosa I am with you. A massive disappointment. I like so many others would like 300+ AH of lithium batteries as well a 3kW inverter. To pay such an outrageous price for only 200AH is frustrating. As you state, it's not that Dragonflys are bad batteries but they are low AH and high cost per AH. As well, they have a manual heater which for me up in Canada is awful seeing that I RV in cold temps in the mountains. I would prefer an intelligent and automatic BMS managing the heater and not a manual switch. We were close to putting in an order for what would end up being a 2024 but throwing away $4100 for 200AH of Dragonfly batteries irks me enough to hold off for now. As you state, in the overall picture not a big hit but I could spend that money on a 3k inverter and more and would prefer to do so. It's the principle of being force to buy an overpriced option especially when you cannot mix and match manufacturers with lithium. So you have to rip them out and likely get very little for them.

@ghoover111 Год назад

For such an impressive rig and company, LTV has been way behind with Lithium.

@ediewall6360 Год назад

Too many TVs! Humanity is going downhill ( although I believe a recovery is in our future) from too many kids and teens into their phones and computers. What happened to getting in touch with nature and with one’s inner voice? Peaceful moments. I have not had a TV for 15 years! Yes, I use my ipad for communication and alternative news and for info, but no TV shows or fake news. I think it is very sad that RVs or LTV , for those going on a “ vacation” find it necessary to fill up time with the TV. So very sad, when people are not in touch with themselves and aware and balanced. I would MUCH rather see a culture of self- realized individuals.

@Pagosa Год назад

They are there if you want them. If not, keep them off 😃

@hrustar Год назад

I never thought Id use my TV. I was a hardcore tent camper. Turns out, I love it. Relazing can take many forms. And after a long day of hiking and biking, a movie sounds pretty nice.

@ediewall6360 Год назад

@@hrustar Understood, to each his own. I hope you understand that TV programming has invaded our society and psyche in a negative way. Most people are unbalanced, in general due to so many factors in life. And younger adults and children are having their minds taking over by too much technology interaction. We need balance and to stay connected to nature, and our own spirit and other humans at times.

@robgrune3284 9 месяцев назад

uh, no. Humanity is not going downhill. Americans in America are downhill, fast approaching bottom. If you were to venture for a few years outside your ignorant, self-anointed exceptionals, you may come to see this for and by yourself. Your point to TV is valid; TV is designed to render people controlled and slightly above moron. The moniker, drugged up and dumbed down, applies aptly to Americans as a whole. Kudos to you for rejecting TV - a ray of hope.