2025 The Second Falklands War: Who Would Win? (WarGames 70) | DCS 

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Hello! I am Argentine, your videos show a lot of respect and impartiality even though you are British. It is appreciated! Today we have almost nothing to defend ourselves and less to attack the islands jeje our pampa 3 block 2 is a very very good advanced and light attack trainer, you should see it! Greetings from Mar del Plata.

My uncle was on Minerva during the Falklands. He said the Argentine airmen were astonishingly brave. He also noted that they didn’t attack the big white painted Canberra as they thought it was a hospital ship. This was a happy accident as the ship was crammed with troops but the hurry to get the Task Force to sea meant paint jobs were not a priority.

I'm not allowed to tell you how many lightnings were involved in this mission... but I can tell you that I counted them all out, and I counted them all back again.

Interesting video, but it ignores that the current Falklands Garrison is of a strength that would defeat any invasion in the first place, and that the Argentine Navy lacks the capability to re-run an invasion.

FYI in the RL, ANY of the F35s which have target on their radar can share it w/ all other aircrafts. Also, cruise missiles and air to air missiles can be "guided" by any of these planes enabling the Navy to strike WAY over the horizon now. All these aircraft are interlinked and can work together. When they are Navy, their radars and the ships can work together. When the US Navy and Japanese Navy are working together, we can see targets from any Japanese destroyer as if it was the US. So - we can launch from way over the horizon and the Japanese destroyer can guide it to target.

It’s amazing how far the RN has come since 1982.

As to the AWAC the RN would have Crowsnest (basically the same system as mounted on the Sea King ASaC7) equipped Merlin Helicopters they would probably have a radar range around 150nm which when operating 50nm down the threat axis would provide good AEW coverage, the system is currently in service and 3 sets went with the CSG21 on it's Far East trip. The RN will have 10 sets for operational use. Outside of that a good video.

That paint scheme on the J17's is the most Airfix model paint scheme i've seen in game yet....and i love it. Reminds me of about 60% of the model planes my father made me as a child...lol

I hope Britain and Argentina never have to go through another Falklands it was nasty last time

They did well to take the islands given the skysabre, type 45 and 4 typhoons stationed there

This was a singularly awesome simulation. All the effort was well worth the epic moments, well done boys!

First Step by Brits.... sneak subs in close to the two airbases and launch surface to surface missiles to take out planes/runways....then run Carrier Group in close enough to launch F35s to do follow up attacks on airfields. Brits would also send both carriers...QE and POW...and a lot more surface ships....radar picket frigates. Maybe even load up some transport ship carrying tomahawks in contatiners....to attack airfields.

Please note that the first Battle of the Falklands was in 1914, against Imperial Germany. The second and better known in 1982 against Argentina. There is no need or purpose whatsoever for a third one.

Great scenario, Cap and boys! The amount of work and research that you put into your videos is evident. Thank you!

Kudos gents ,like GR vids so much i'm learning to fly on DCS and even with so many resources available it is not an easy learning curve ,so i really do appreciate the time and effort you put in to make the missions and scenarios. Keep up the fantastic work.

I appreciate the effort you put in to these videos. Thanks.

I'd like to see an all out attack against the 4x QRA Typhoons and likely 1x patrolling Type45 Destroyer before the all out attack on the task force with whatevers left.

great video as always GR! Love seeing the JF-17! Great looking plane.

Well done Cap! And to all that worked on this :) Thanks!

Fun fact about the first war, the main thing that gave Britain an decisive edge was the uses of Chilean Radar stations to watch the Argentine Air Force take off and head out on missions, so the Harriers could be placed in the right place in the right numbers at the right time to intercept them. In fact the only time British ships got hit was the few days that the main Chilean Radar station went offline because of a malfunction that they needed to quickly bring parts to repair.

11:21 I love watching the business end of a fighter jet pucker up for takeoff

I worked on both new aircraft carriers, during construction the flight deck needed a special thermal resistant layer of paint that cost £2,500 per square metre. Also on the flight deck during construction they had a row of porta-loos......I am one of a handful of people that have taken a dump on the queen lizzy carrier flight deck........I can't wait to tell the grandkids

thanks guys couple of beers, dinner and a great boom boom video...I'm now ready for Tuesday

Just watched this having seen the latest ones, and Wow, you guys have done so much work in the last few months!

I'd like to see a continental war games. Such as North America/Great Britain vrs Europe vrs South America/ Cuba vrs Australia vrs Aisa. Like a tournament style. I think it could be a very good series NO NUKES ALLOWED

I am Argentinian and the only way for our country to recover (appart from recent history, those islands are in dispute from early 19 century...) is to play a football match in the islands and the winner takes the territory. Not in a millon years through military efforts or diplomatic

Great episode GR. Well done.

Catching up on videos, great battle!

I am pretty sure the RAF also has permanent based Typhoons on the island (i think 6).

Speedy missile seems harder to dodge, despite the legitimate distance argument

I really enjoyed that, Cap (and boys) :) I know it's a lot of work, but I'd love to see some more missions like this with the dramatic irony of you setting up and explaining misdirection from the AI.

Worth it!! Thanks for the hard work

The Type 45s would close the airspace. The F35s would have no adversary, and give the task force the ability to simply attack what ever we desired. Airfields, radar sites, command and control centres, any surface vessel.

I don't know how they would have taken the island in the first place considering how fortified it is now but still fun to watch. Argentina didn't have a chance even against one Duncan let along a taskforce. What would be more fun is Argentina trying to take the island defended by a River class patrol vessel, 4 typhoons with I assume meteor missiles and 1700 troops with I assume fixed anti air and apparently datalink of some sort.

Wow, can't believe how awesome this is and the effort you've put in to get this working! Fantastic effort chaps. I have a strange request can you on a hypothetical scenario that would never happen but it would be interesting to see. Can you do a straight fight in open water between Charles De gaul aircraft carrier and get accompanying fleet versus one of the UK carriers and her support ships. I think the fight between the French Rafales versus the f35s and the different weaponry they both utilise. Thanks so much for your content!

Love the crash landing at the end. You can imagine frantic radio chatter of "You're coming in too hot and you're too low. PULL UP NOW!!! PULL UP!!!! PULL UP!!!!"

First time viewer, I just got recommended this video, really enjoyed it. Wouldn't the Falkland's garrison have repelled any attack before the Argentinians landed troops?

With the Royal Navy's two new carriers and their F35s, plus the Astute class attack subs, it's difficult to see how the Argentinians could hold the islands even if they were able to take them in the first place.

Awesome, thanks guys.

Loved this, Grump we are gonna make you repaint that :)

It's interesting to note that one of the reasons the Junta decided to attack in '82 was because the Royal Navy had retired their F-4s and the carriers that could transport them; the ski-jump carriers could only operate Harriers. In '25 with RN F-35s, there would be no way they could sink a British ship.

Can’t wait to see if someone eventually models the type 26 and type 31 frigates for potentially future Royal Navy battles, especially seeing as it plans to expand w buying the odd expensive ship like the type 26 w a few type 31/32’s in tow. I could expect to someday see a QE carrier with a pair of type 45’s, coupled with up to 4 type 26 frigates and 3 type 31 and type 32’s together. that’s with leaving a minuscule amount for home defence and not a carrier in sight. Tho the home defence for clarity would include 2 type 45’s, alongside 2 type 31 and 32 frigates each left over, plus with the potential of further expansion having one expensive ship and a batch of up to 4 that cost the same, it could be a lil better

Another brilliant GR production.

I would like to just put it out there that I'm not a DCS player, but I have fallen in love with the GR channel! I love aviation but am not a video game player. You lads are top notch!

These are genuinely relaxing to watch

If Argentina has control of the island then wouldn't they have air support at the air field ? Also , maybe Simba should have been able to respawn seeing as the AI wasn't able to attack the inbound antiship missiles ? GREAT JOB GR LOADS OF FUN THANK YOU

Great vid as always.

That was great to watch thanks.

Cap there is a score window in dcs where you can filter events like kills and it shows the amount of planes on each side, look in your settings "score window" for the bind

Everyone tends to forget the "eyes" we had on the Argentinian airfields for early warnings giving the task force number and time of takeoff for most of the airstrikes. what about modern anti air capabilities based on the Falklands?? would that make much difference??

Haven't even started watching the fight yet and its awesome. No AWACS and no idea what's coming in the form of tactics! Still the F-15 upgrade radar should be quite nice! Im excited, here we go!👍.........I have got to get a good computer and a HOTAS so I can play, im dying watching. I have surgery next week, and about 6-8 weeks to heal then Im going to save every dime possible to get to DCS! Im looking at 5-6 months or more, but its something to look forward to and hopefully be able to fly with you guys one day! 😁😁

Love your videos!. But to correct a couple of misconceptions: First the air force has 7 operational A4AR. Second our entire hércules fleet has undergone modernizations and upgrades (including our 2 refueling tankers). Third the number of operational pampas as of 2023 is close to 20 (mainly because they are Still being produced in their most modern version) And four the deal with china is for 24 jf17 Block III . Other than that great video.

A Falklands scenario without Thatcher is like a Sealion scenario without Churchill.

Cap, as much as I love the concept, the entire invasion seems to have just completely blown last the flight of fighters that secured the Falkland islands, specifically No. 1435 flight with FGR4 Typhoons. I suppose they could have been withdrawn in 2025 for deployment elsewhere starting the invasion, but it would be interesting to see if flight 1435 could either see off the attack, or cripple the Argentine air force to the point the British relief party would face considerably less resistance.

I would love to see some videos on lua editing and that stuff. Love your vids very detailed.

I love this! I love your videos with the British Army, Navy and Airforce in war thing pls do more!

We would always send 2 carriers ,our doctrine is they work in pairs during wartime, in case one is sunk. I've always thought smaller carriers in higher quantities is the way to go. They only have to sink one large carrier and we will fold . Too many casualties. You can have more smaller carriers in more places at once with more flexibility and if one is sunk it's not war ending.

I am so sad, that your video wasnt any longer than this, given all the work you did on the programming.

Loved the video @Grim Reapers! Can't wait for the next video man! I'm surprised the Eurofighter Typhoons of 1435 Flight weren't involved in any way. It would've been nice to see Typhoons and Lightning 2's flying against Argentine Aircraft. For Carrier Operations, it would actually be the C model for the Lightning 2, but I'm guessing that DCS doesn't have that at all. I'm curious as to how the Ground Combat would play out since The Argentine Army has American AAV-7P's, M113's, Humvee' as well as their own TAM 2's, Austrian SK-105 Kürassier's and French F3 155mm's while the British has the Challenger 2's and FV510 Warrior's as well as the AS-90 "Choirboy's". However, I do have a Few "What If's" to propose. • What if the Argentine Navy had some serious Investments made as a means to Strengthen their Numbers? As in more ships planned and slowly but assuredly built as a Means of Small-scale Power Projection. Patrol Craft similar to the British River-class Frigates or American Tacoma-class Gunboats, Frigates/Destroyer Escorts similar to the John C. Butler-class Destroyer Escorts or Dealey-class Frigates, Destroyers Similar to the Gearing-class (Which they had in 1982) or, at best, Forest Sherman-class Destroyers, Light Anti-Aircraft Cruisers Similar to Either the American Atlanta-class (Atlanta or Oakland Subclasses) or the Italian Capitani Romano-class, Light Cruisers Similar to the American Cleveland-class or the Italian Condottieri-class, Luigi di Savoia Duca Degli Abruzzi Group, Heavy Cruisers Similar to the American Baltimore-class or Des Moines-class and Aircraft Carriers Similar to Either a Modernized British 1942 Type Light Fleet Carrier (Colossus or Majestic Groups) or a Modernized Essex-class Aircraft Carrier. • What if the Argentine Government had Also invested, to a Lesser Extent than the Navy, in production of Maintaining the A-4 Fightinghawk's as well as Locally Produced versions of Aircraft like the F9F-5 Cougar, The F-8E Crusader, Development of a Carrier-based Pucara, or even the A-4's themselves. Maybe even a Locally produced version of the F-14 Tomcat. • What if the Argentine Air Force had Similar Investments to the Navy and had Attack Aircraft similar to the A-7E Corsair 2's, Fighters Similar to the F-4E Phantom 2's, Transport Jet Aircraft Similar to the C-17 Globemaster 3's, Attack Helicopters Similar to the American AH-64 Apache or The European Eurocopter Tiger, and Transport Helicopters Similar to the Westland AW159 Superlynx/Futurelynx. If not, then What If the Argentine Government had purchased some Mig-29 "Fulcrum's", Su-27 "Flanker's", Su-24 "Fencer's", Su-25 "Frogfoot's", Mi-24 "Hind's", and Ka-50/Ka-52 "Alligator's/Black Shark's" for the Air Force? Hope you like the Idea man, I spent about an hour typing this up! I know there might've been a few things I overlooked (like maybe the Argentine Government buying T-72B's to supplement or replace the TAM 2's) but I was trying to think of how cheap the Argentine Government might still end up being if anything were to be done at least in Preparation for a "Falklands 2: Electric Boogaloo" LMAO!

Surely, British subs would take out the Argentinian Air Force on the ground, with cruise missiles?

Even if they had all those Chinese jets they'd never be able to defeat the garrison on the Falklands let alone take on the retaliation force.

Great job.

Also, there should be a flight of 4 Typhoon FGR4 at Mount Pleasant. I’d like to see how well they blunt the initial invasion.

Few questions Cap. - Why no Argentinian AWACS? (If this is a fiction they could also buy 1 from China!) - Where is the Argentinian Navy? (At least as decoys.) - F-35s have pylons on them, then how are they stealthy? - Why no human pilot on Argentinian side?

Argie here, 2025 would only give a new government (est 2023, election year) 2 years to reverse a heavy, decades long spiral of defunding of education, health and overall cultural and cerebral decay caused by peronism and similar forces, this is accompanied by their heavy defunding and reduction of military forces in all areas. So yeah, a new Malvinas occupation is not on the forecast for 2025, or at least another like 100 years. Even with Chinese funding, which I don't know where your GR members are sourcing from (as we've just received 5 billion USD from them literally a couple weeks ago for another project, further destroying economic forecasts).

Love the video! Maybe a US attack on the Paracel islands?

Great work

How come you couldnt use RFA Bay Class Vessels for the landings? Also the Type 45's radar has a range of 400km!

I am biased, being Australian, since we developed them, but I’ll have you know that the Americans and other allies pretty much acknowledge that the wedgetail E-7 AEW&C plane is superior to all current available analogues such as the mechanical “ufo” 707 or 767 awacs aircraft

We have no air force and pretty much no navy, so this would be over before it started. Great video.

Fascinating simulation and huge respect for the effort you guys have put in to bring the weaponry up to date. Observations I would make would be: - the QE carrier would be equipped with more than 24 F-35s in a war (surge) situation, and the F-35s are purpose-built to network their data/intelligence (and the QE carrier is the only carrier so far designed from the outset to fully utilise the F35 networking capabilities); - there would be at least 2x T23 frigates with her in 2025, equipped with Sea Ceptor (shorter range than T45 Sea Viper, but with an uprated C2!) - UK would definitely have AEW in addition to the Crowsnest system, as tankers, P8A & Rivet Joint could all be utilised; - Satellite coverage would also be utilised & is way more sophisticated than in 1982; - Meteor missile is way more capable than shown here, and using a modified AMRAAM doesn't do it justice. It's the only missile the Russian air force are reputedky absolutely terrified of... Nevertheless a great simulation, though as other contributors here have pointed out, probably a more likely scenario would be to simulate the existing garrison with Typhoons & Astute subs successfully defending against an attempted 2nd invasion.

Ooooh I like this concept cause I immediately think “Britain will win right?” But I have no idea about the military of Argentina or what they use I’m definitely going to research what equipment now! Thanks for reminding me to research smaller countries and their ability in world power

I’m curious is it possible to counter a all aspect IR missile with another all aspect IR missile in DCS?

Waaay, you did it. Not what watched it yet, but thanks anyway!

Great stuff lads, now a follow up request…. What if (again future plan) Argentina had those fighters at Mount Pleasant (assuming in the time it takes the UK to sail to the falklands they would have it ready for use) and were able to get some China Sam sites based on the islands? Would they be able to defend off the UK task force fleet before it had a chance to get close to the Falklands and retake the islands? Could the task force get close enough to disable the runway at MP and the SAM sites before they start the invasion?

Argentina can't afford to hold an Air Force...

My mate was in the Army and was stationed in the Falkland's for a while. According to him the Argentinian Navy is scared to death of our subs which we always have one in the area (allegedly) due to what happened to the Belgrano. They couldn't find the sub back then and know they have even less chance of finding it now. Also there were 3 subs in the task force but we only know of one due to the Belgrano. EDIT: There were 6 subs, one ran aground, one got hit by sheer luck by bombs jettisoned by Argentinian planes after an aborted bombing run.

This could be a whole mini series of upgrading and purchasing equipment for this new war

Awesome targeting guys. Kinda like shooting ducks at a fair (130 Miles away). Suggest the following. Due to a Logistics System Breakdown the Chinese sent Argentina the following:- 1 Xian Y - 20, 2 Shaanxi Y - 8/9, 4/6 Xi'an JH 7, 6 Xhengdu J - 20, 8 Sukhoi Su - 35 and 4 Type 22 missile boats. Even up the odds I say chaps. Tally - ho.

Is it just me or is the AIM-120D smaller than the AIM-120C? If Argentina really wants to take another shot at the Falklands, they going to need to buy some AWACs and tanker planes. Not that it will guarantee victory but it will at least make them a little more competitive. As for the fight itself, you guys clubbed the opposition like baby seals. Next up should be Greece Vs. Turkey. Rafales vs. Vipers.

Well, I've read a lot about the topic of modern Argentinian armed forces, and most analysts day that currently Argentina has even less capability to invade and hold the islands than during the real Falklands' War

Hell of a furball up there! Bodes well for the future of my beloved RN (being a scabby old Matelot - missed the Falklands, joined in 1983).

The UK did have AEW, it was a Nimrod based out of the Chilean Island San Felix. We also had access to Chilean Early Warning Radar stations. 👌

The Argentine Navy at this point has practically no working SAM's or Anti Ship Missiles (Aspides and Exocets are all antiques and past their use by dates) however the RN doesn't have any Anti Ship missiles either (Sea Skua /Sea Venom are very very lightweight) and in a CQC gun fight the Argentines do have a big edge in gunnery with a faster firing Oto Melara (Now Leonardo) 5 inch gun and 4x2 Bofors L70 CIWS guns. Within 3km using the islands as cover (Submarines cannot operate close to the Falklands as it isn't deep enough, the Almirante Brown Class would rinse a Type 45 and could defend itself from Air Attack albeit at short range The Falklands War Radars were the Antique Type 965 (Most common and least capable) the Type 967/968 on the 2x Type 22 Frigs and HMS Andromeda (Leander Class), the Carrier invincible and HMS Exeter with the new Type 1022 Radar

The UK fleet would have at least 4 Type 23 frigates armed with Sea Ceptor. Plus AEW helicopters. In reality the Meteor is better then the AMAAM and the F35s would also have medium range ASRAAM. SM2 is not as good as ASTER 30. Plus The T45 is in line for an upgrade to give it 48 ASTER 30 block 1 and 24 sea Ceptor. In short your sim is showing a weaker British side then there would be. Tactically the T45s would not de put in San Carlos Water - they would be put out to sea. The Type 23 frigates would be more than capable of looking aft the landing...

Thanks!

Today on September the 8th, 2022 the queen of England has died. I pay my and our tributes to the woman that got us through several wars and many more hard times. May she rest in peace. Long live the king.

I'm glad that you skipped 'how' they invaded the islands, given that they have no functional navy, no landing craft, no amphibious/support/landing ships and the UK defences are easily adequate to defend the islands against whatever terrible hodgepodge of civilian ships they would have to press into service to do this invasion. Also ignoring the flight of Eurofighters that would have opposed the initial invasion, with fuel, AWACS and support required to defend them against Argentine forces at max range and with no support. its....... yeah its good that you skipped that phase.

Nice video, as usual. The new QE2 carriers have to be some of the most ugly ships. But seems to make sense as far as redundancy goes.

Hey GR do you have access to the type 23 mod? It'd probably be helpful in rounding out the numbers in british scenarios.

24:00 Yes sir, AIM-120D and Meteor (and most modern missiles) are believed to have data link to include in-flight targeting information, the capability to change targets, and general communications capability between missiles/others networked platforms on the data link. The upcoming AIM-260 (set to be deployed as early as Q4 2022 with speculated specs of around 200 km and speed of mach 5), AIM-120, and Meteor are all supposed to have AESA active-homing radar and passive radar onboard, with the active-homing also assisting in electronic warfare defensive capability.

It appears that people have forgotten why the Falklands War was fought. There was a right wing military junta in charge of Argentina at the time, which indulged in torturing and murdering any opposition. (There are still protesting women who are seeking the bodies of their relatives.) Had the British government ignored the invasion, there were plans to ship all the islanders to prison in Argentina or dump them in the Atlantic from a helicopter.

Nice to see the container ships again.

Nice video, you forgot the 4 typhoons that are based on the island lol

A couple of radar picket ships would open the surveillance so much further west. Great to watch. BZ

Great vid, but you forgot about the flight of typhoons and the infantry company and air defence artillery battery stationed permanently on the Falklands

A small correction, we do have 7 operational a4ar fightinhawks equipped with Aim 9-m missiles, and the deal with china is only for 12 jf17 of the block 3 variety. Other than that great video!. Cheers from argentina

That paint scheme on the "Jeff" makes it look like an F-105 Thud.......until the cloaking device went down!!

Would say don't forget there's also 1435 Flt on Falklands, currently using Typhoons