Let’s go back to the beginning: The Wylde chamber is all about seating VLD bullets on or slightly off lands for 500/600 yard single loading US Service Rifle Competition, period. The .223 chamber free bore is too short to properly seat VLD bullets and the 5.56 chamber’s free bore is too long to accommodate VLD’s properly. That’s it. And still today it’s the 500/600/1000 yard high power rifle competition events that make the Wylde chambering viable. Now, these days a match chamber will also mean a minimum diameter neck and that along with a Wylde free bore length, 80+ grain VLD bullets can be shot to long distances extremely well. My experience as an American High Power Rifleman in Long Range Award Winner suggest sub 2 MOA from an iron sight AR is possible at 1000 yards in a prevailing wind. So far though I have only come to realize an 94% average at 1000 yards with my AR. The issue is many of the VLD’s I have shot at 1000 yards only have an MOA wind constant of 10, meaning just an unobservable 1 mph full value wind change will displace the bullet about 10 inches at 1000 yards and thus few hits in the 10 inch X-Ring.
A shooter who has developed picture memory, using a 6 o’clock hold can get sub MOA at 100 yards as easily from irons as from an optic. US Service Rifle Competitors have proven this thousands of times. I have occasionally shot 20 round for record strings where 85% of my rounds have been inside the 3/4 inch X-Ring of the MR-31 Target.
Would have been nice to see results from shooting .223 ammo from a wylde barrel vs. a 5.56 barrel. Makes sense that 5.56 would be a little more accurate when shot from a 5.56 chambered barrel.
Both shoot .5 moa with good ammunition regardless if it is 556 or 223.. I tend to get the better groups with the 556 Ruger MPR more frequently. Does not matter if the ammunition is stamped 223 or 556.
@@absolutegunrights3079 5/17/24 - Good to know. Thanks. I have a Ruger MPR and like it a bunch. A couple of days ago I received a Radical Firearms 18" .223 Wylde 1:8 S.S. Rifle-Length Barreled Upper - 15" M-LOK RPFU18-223W-SS-15RPR-BMD-18R Gen3 Rail and BMD Brake that I ordered from Primary Arms currently priced at 199.99. (search the PA website for "FU18-223W-SS-15RPR-BMD-18"). BCG & CH. is not included. I haven't fooled with it yet. It will be interesting to see how the Radical upper performs next to the Ruger MPR upper.
My experience as a CMP-USAMU Military Rifle Instructor is Mk262, a 77 grain 5.56 match long range round, can be shot by a trained shooter to 600 meters from prone sling supported position using a rack grade M4 to get sub 2 MOA groupings. That’s extraordinary but Mk 262 is indeed a very accurate round. As I understand it that ammunition can hold to .64 MOA at 300 meters when shot from a match conditioned rifle.
I don’t get why people bother with 5.56 now if they have .223 wylde barrel. 5.56 costs more, has usually higher SD, and puts more wear on the chambering
I have a 556 and 223 Wylde both 18 in. They both shoot about .5 moa when I'm on my game with match ammo. I don't see any significant difference between the two.
The cost is only pennies in difference per round right now, but the 5.56 round is more effective at distance, especially with shorter barrels than the 20 inch that the bullets were designed to fragment at for maximum effectiveness against a meat target at distances of say 250-300+ yards, but yeah, just plinking it does not matter really, But SHTF 5.56 is the better choice in general for effectiveness, not that a .223 won't work, just not as effective overall, unless say using a 24 inch barrel.. If you look at the velocity ratings of .223 they are usually using 24in bolt action barrels and the 5.56 usual velocity rating is using a 20in barrel and if you look at the comparison between the 2 the 5.56 is still faster though rated with a 4 inch shorter barrel, So the velocity ratings on .223 is misleading though for those that do not know that they rate the velocity of .223 out of a 24in. barrel vs. the 5.56 with a 20in.. @@alecubudulecu
Noob to ARs here. I was kinda buying into the 223 wylde hype for my 1st. Think I'll just stick with 5.56. I just wonder, if most are not going to be shooting out to 1000yds, why are most barrels in 1/7 if it was mainly made to stabilize heavy long range pills & tracers?
I think the twist rate is a bit overhyped. I was shooting 45 grains out of 1/7 and 1/8 in a recent video that I did. I also have concluded that the 223 Wylde there's a bit over hyped. I have done a lot more shooting since I made this video and the difference is not noticeable. The ammunition and personal shooting consistency is going to make more of a difference.
Its not the chambering as much as it is the quality of the barrel from start to finish….. I run Lothar barrels in a few of mine and they all are very accurate! One ragged hole @ 100 and I have one 5.56 chambered that can do half inch easily…… its a 24” Stag bull barrel….. again its QUALITY because a shitty 223 wylde can shoot terrible.
I did manage to get a half inch Group at 100 yards on different days. I think I just pulled my shots a little bit when I did these tests. A longer 24 Barrel will definitely do better. I've noticed I consistently shoot better with the 18-in barrels over the 16-in barrels.
@@absolutegunrights3079 ohhhh yes! I love my Stag 15 barrel….. over a inch at barrel nut and tapers to .936 at gas block down…… I load my own ammo so I have some killer loads for it with blistering velocity that makes it like a laser beam….. Ive had it out to 736 yards before making great hits with a Sierra TMK in the right at 2900 fps plus fps category!
When they test the pressure on 223 they drill a hole in the middle of the cartridge. When they test on the 556 they drill near the neck where the pressure is greater. If they drill a hole in the same place for each cartridge it will pressure the same all other things being equal like gunpowder, bullet weight, bullet seating, primer.
