22LR Self Defense Ballistics: LCR, LCP, 43C, 21A Bobcat, PT-22. Punch, Velocitor, Stinger, Mini-Mag. 

CCI Velocitors get my vote, especially out of a 10/22. Mini-Mag’s and Stingers are awesome too. As a civilian for self defense I feel pretty safe with a good .22LR Rifle/Pistol and some CCI Ammo.

I've always recommended velocitors to people that want to carry 22lr. Good to see yet another test backing up my recommendation! Punch seems like a good second choice though. I occasionally carry a Kel-Tec P17 and use punch in it since I figure that the longer barrel may get velocitors to open up and underpenetrate plus the added velocity can only help the solid punch bullets. Regardless, 22lr is a pretty underrated carry round imo. It certainly isn't very powerful, but something like a Taurus TX22 with a light, red dot, and maybe a suppresor would be a scary house gun option. No recoil, instant follow up shots, and cheap ammo that allows one to really get a lot of practice aren't anything to scoff at.

Totally agree on caliber underrated!!! Growing up in TN. in my 51yrs my neighbor & his son both have killed far more deer & prefer the . 22lr over any other cal, no muzzle rise.

I have Two Kel-Tec P17's, a CP33, a PMR30 22Mag and a Rossi RS22 Rifle! I love the 22LR/22 Mag platform and I shoot at my LGR, Indoor & Outdoors once a week here in Sunny Florida! I also EDC my P17 and sometime my PMR30! All Great guns with very little problems!

I'm getting the 22LR S & W 43C revolver. Super light at 11.5 ounces fully loaded / snub nose / that is easy to carry without showing. I have 2 semi auto pistols used at the range a Ruger SR22 & a Taurus TX 22. Both shoot really well after many rounds thru them. So far the Ruger had one round that failed to fire & blocked the chamber. The Taurus TX 22 had no failures in about 500 rounds thru each. The revolver trade off is number of rounds for reliability. Any misfire just pull the trigger again as the chamber rotates.

I have always gotten the best pentration from the 40 grain Mini Mag solid. They always outperform everything else, even the velociter.

Great video and interesting results. About 5 years ago tested 22LR ammo with my wife's LCR. The three shot average had the Velocitor perform the best at 14.08", followed by Mini-Mag 36g CPHP at 12.75" and Stingers at 11.6". Hope to see more content down the road.

Your stingers do not look like stingers. A real stinger has a nickel case, where yours, in the video seem to just be brass. Also, the stinger case is longer than all of the others, so the Punch is not just a stinger case with a lighter bullet. Make sure someone did not swap out your ammo for theirs and leave you some regular mini mags for your stingers. I have a newer box and have shot them for over 40 years, and that stinger brass is supposed to be nickle plated.

I carry 22LR and I agree with you

I don’t think you can go wrong with any decent .22 loading. It’s a great round that allows for dead on accuracy. How it penetrates clothes I do t know, but Paul Harrel has shown it breaks pork ribs, that’s damn impressive!

Would love to see more of this 22lr testing w lcr.. great 1st video!

Great demonstration of ammunition. Can't seem to find CCI velocitors, so I'll still stay with 3 federal punch. 3 CCI stinger, and 2Aguila extreme velocity ammunition. Barely any recoil and lightweight is great for the Ruger LCR. Also, i did get stuck shell casings from Winchester bulk.22 at range. What i did was use a polymer.22 brush in each of the 8 ports on the cycling and Then added some Birchwood Casey oil in each again, and this helps tremendously to eject all 8 , from cylinder. Basically just keeping cylinder ports clean from blast powder of each time fired, it builds up over time, especially on .22 revolver.

Bummer you didn't test the world's fastest .22 round, CCI 1800+ hp round, I would love to see how it tested against the rest of them.😢

I also have the LCR in 22lr. I typically carry Velocitors in the gun. I tried shooting the Federal Punch, but they are a bitch to extract from the cylinder after being shot. It seems as though the casing is just a hair larger than other 22lr ammo. Over the years, I've shot just about every 22lr ammo out there and the problem only happens with the Federal Punch. Not a problem for my first 8 shots, but if I had to reload in a hurry, it would be. However, they work fine out of my Ruger Mark III semi-auto.

I asked Walmart for a box of Mystery Round & they looked at me funny.

Outstanding video!

Ok. You got me hooked. About a week ago I put a Bobcat "covert" on layaway. Not so much for use with a can but because I like the 2.9 inch barrel length. But the LCR is a good choice - maybe better - when one considers revolver reliability with rimfire. We'll see.

I waa just thinking about the velocity difference between lcpII and the lcr. Very timely video. Great work

Tools&targets has been testing that punch a lot lately interesting youtuber but this was a good video thanks

I’ve got Punch as a back-up defense, hunting and SHTF round for my S&W M&P 15/22, with a suppressed 18” barrel. It cycles flawlessly and should be coming out at around 1600 fps. I have no complaints about that.

Finally a real ballistics test from a short barrel 22lr self defense gun pitting velositors with punch. This just confirmed my choice of round for self defense in my lcp2.

Those federal punches in 22lr is a game changer people doubt the humble 22lr but I wouldn't feel unarmed with one that's realible like the taurus tx22 in fact I carry it sometimes when it's hot it's lite weight and fallow up shots are easy to get like a swarm of hornets coming at you

Thanks, good thorough review. Would like to know how the mini mag round nose performed too.

Great video bub

Remember that for ammo to pass the FBI test, it must penetrate beyond 12 inches, but no further than 16 inches. If it exists the 16 inch block, then it fails the test. Over penetration is hazardous to any unintended targets.

Mostly long winded, incoherent and totally disorganised. However the information from 15 mins and 14 seconds onwards was worth it for sure. God Bless.

I would love to see federal do a traditional case length for the punch 22lr, would cycle in a wider range of guns at the cost of little velocity

Great video! I’ll be picking up some Velocitor for my Ruger LCR. I’d love to see more gel ballistics with the Velocitor and the mystery round. Just a guess here on the mystery round, but could it possibly be the cci mini mag 40 grain copper plated round nose?

CCI IMHO makes the most reliable rim fire 22. if you use a pistol you dont want a dud, a revolver on the other hand can bring up another round with a turn of the cylinder. P.S. never had a CCI not go bang!

I have 2 of the PT-22's and neither will run the Federal Punch. One is an older model and one is the PT-22 Poly. I really like your ammo selection. A really fine selection of hyper velocity ammo.

It's strange how different gel tests come out, using the same ammo, and similar length barrels. Usually the punch far out penetrates other lr out of short barrels. I guess your denim had quite an effect on results.

Thanks but you forgot the best personal defense 22lr round IMO, Winchester Silvertip. Punch is my next choice but the Silvertip is awesome.

Thank you !

Is it just me or does the smoke from the Aguila rounds have a different smell than cci and Winchester? Noticed it last time I went to my local indoor range

CCI also makes an SGB load. Small Game Bullet is 40gr. with a flat or maybe cupped nose. That bullet may hit hard.

Good video except for not disclosing your mystery round. Guessing it's Winchester Super X but only you know !

Thanks

What's the name of that holster you show the LCR residing in? Looks like exactly what I've been looking for.

All of those wound channels would qualify as a deadly wound.

I believe Lucky gunner used the same revolver for his 22lr test. I was curious why his results were so much shorter than yours for the velocitors? I am planning on carrying a .22 and have been trying to figure out some of the discrepancies in these tests. Any insight or something I’ve missed? Thank you for the very thorough test!

Im a fan of a 22lr for ccw now that the ammo has come a long way with fed punch i have a whole safe full of semi autos and revolvers of high calibers but i now carry a sw 43c or the 317 kit gun in a 3 inch barrel with 2 10 round speed strips I have had a ccw for over 35 years every day and its hard for me to carry a heavy gun any more its a real chore Im starting to ware out and I can put all the rounds where they need to go to stop any threat that comes my way I carry to protect me and my wife and she has a ccw also

Who made that holster for the LCR? Looks like exactly what I want for mine.

I've shot the cci stingers for years and they have always been a nickel case not brass. I was curious about the brass ammo in your stinger container. Have they changed recently? Thanks for the great vids.

Just bought lcp2 ,22 - only ammo rec was cci mini & win sil tips. All they had!!!! And they weren't throwing any in the deal.

can you test all the segmented 22lr in the LCR snub nose? I am curious to see if they would expand.

Would be great if S&W make an aluminum K frame with a 10 shot cylinder and 2.5 or 3 inch barrel. Forget about the 12 inch FBI standard! For normal selfdefence without barrier penetration its not important.

I was just thinking about Shooting the Bull yesterday. I hope he's alright but I tend to think not. Hasn't been around in years now. Didn't look too healthy in his last couple of vids. I really wish he was still around.

If you want a bigger wound channel go with a bigger round. Withsmall calibers penetration is most important. Always when small calibers dump energy they loose penetration.

It looks like a bit more mass just penetrates better, even if slower, up to a point. Velocitor is what, a 40 grain bullet? Punch is 29 grain? Stinger is 32 grain? I could have BBs at twice the muzzle velocity here maybe penetrating half as well.

Does anyone know the verdict on what the mystery round was?

Thanks for the effort to put this video out. Very informative, but your slow delivery put me to sleep. Sorry

I know you were simply stating your opinion, however, I wish folks in the firearms community would stop saying things like, “It’s really all you need as a civilian”. I’m in law enforcement, but will retire in a few years. I think I’ll decide “what I need” based on the context of my life in retirement and the activities undertaken. Those against our right to carry what we choose often say, “blank is all you really need” when discussing the caliber, capacity, configuration etc.

There 2 questions when it comes to using .22 for self defense. Is .22 good for self defense and is .22 good ENOUGH for self defense. My opinion is that compare to other calibers, .22 is not particularly great for self defense. It makes smaller holes after all. However I do think it is good ENOUGH for self defense. It still put holes inside the target and at the end of the day shot placement is most important. All in all this was an excellent video. Thanks for sharing.

Hey bud your stingers are not stingers how good of friends are you talking about for helping you with this

Punch or stingers I'll go with I'm getting my lcr 22 soon.

Winchester silvertip works well

Please tell me about the holster

Let me give you some of my 60 years of experience. I see everyone looking for that magic bullet that has the most penetration. Why? So you all want the bullet to pass through and maybe hurt or kill an innocent person standing beyond the one you might have to shoot at? What you need to be looking for is one with decent penetration, not too much, but with the largest would cavity. That one will hurt the most and make them bleed more. Stop looking for the one the passes through as you do not want to kill maybe a baby on the mother’s arms standing 50’ behind the person you are trying to control with that shot. Be careful what the wish for. Also, all handguns are pistols. The revolver was and still is the original pistol. They are both pistols. If you need to define them, three use the proper terms like revolver and semi auto. A pistol is any handgun, and that could even be a T/C Contender single shot pistol. On first pass, to me, the Mini Mag HP’s had the best and most dramatic wound channel. I have seen and know many who shoot the Mexico made ammo, and I am not at all impressed. You also want to pick the most accurate ammo for that gun. If you cannot hit what your aiming it, no matter how the ammo tests in he, it does you no good what so ever. You may as well be carrying a stick. Just be smart. Find the most accurate and best would channel ammo that works well in YOUR gun.

Did i miss it,? Wh as the mystery ullrt?

Why not disclose the mystery round ? Is it legal?

Which 22lr round would you carry for self defense and why?

video starts at 8:00 you are welcome.

All this video is missing is Winchester Silvertip

Wheres the next video?

Excellent video man thank you! Just liven it up a little. Your slow talking almost put me to sleep in the beginning. 😂 Just kidding man.

Good information, sir, but you need to either speak faster or condense the information. Thanks for the video.

I don't get caught up in the FBI/government testing. The vitals are not that deep in the chest cavity.

Why on earth would you carry 22lr when 9mm is readily available? I can't wrap my head around it. Do you want the guy to live? You will be paying his medical bills and for his disabilities if he does regardless of the fact that he was the aggressor. My home was broken into one night years ago while I was asleep. After I woke up and racked my 870 the three ppl (2 guys 1 girl) leaped through windows to escape. Called 911 and after almost 2 hours of waiting because of a dispute on whether my house in the city or county, (city police hq was 1 mile away.. 🤔 county arrived and took pictures. The deputy explained to me that I was well within my rights to kill them all as long as they were in my house. He added that I needed to make sure that they were dead as it would be less paperwork for him and that I wouldn't get sued if they survived. I respect that cop. It was years ago but I haven't met many like him since that time.

You want to have your projectile strike the bystander behind your target so you get sued. I prefer to have my projectile stop in the perp so they have to seek some sort of medical help if they should out do me. You need to understand how much pass threw can cost you in the end, everything you own or ever will own in many cases. Disruption is what you really want, the more the better, I carry a 22 magnum varmint round in my 1.75 barreled revolver. Look on line and see what happens when a 22 projectile fragments inside a gel block.

Omg! WAKE UP MAN!! OR PUT DOWN THE WEED PIPE.. JESUS!!

Bad video.