studied the bible with jehovas witness for last 2 months they are very precise with the understanding and correct understanding of the bible. they have helped me to get a clear understanding of the bible and get closer to jehova through his word the bible and the holy spirit and ofcourse his only begotten son jesus the saviour because through him our transgressions and short comings may be forgiven and we inherit eternal life in a paradise kingdom on earth with yes "jesus christ" as ruler amen!
@@fredrolinners8903 :(Acts 7:59) As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Luke 23:42 Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” John 2:18 Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?” All these requests made of Jesus are people praying to Jesus?????
@@kardiognostesministries8150 : Here is what prayer is. Matthew 6:6 But when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. Jesus followed his own advice by always withdrawing to some isolated place to pray to his God Jehovah. Stephen was making a request of Jesus. Why would Stephen disregard Jesus' instructions on prayer and to whom to pray to? These claims are what are called 'clutching at straws' to find some way to make Jesus into God. Please show me any other incident similar to Stephen's. There should be plenty, that is IF Jesus was God. There was a similar one, though. Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
He did not clutch to His equality, but emptied Himself. Equal to God doesn't mean you ARE God. The very fact that you are equal to ANOTHER strangely confirms that you and the thing you are equal to are NOT the same. God is one thing; Jesus is another. As I said before, you don't have to prove anything to me - I already believe BOTH have very strong points.
My poor Mother never knew that's what the witnesses believed at the time of her involvement...40 years ago they were silent to their followers about Jesus...its so sad
Did one's mother become a JW without knowing who they were? How can that happen? It takes months, if not years of study and making changes to become one of JWs. Knowing the following will happen, sincere searchers of truth become a JW. (Matthew 24:9) “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. No blind believers among JWs.
It says Jesus is God every time someone fell at His feet and worshiped Him and they were not rebuked. In acts Thomas realized Christ's divinity and Christ basically said, it's about time you figured it out. Phillip said to Jesus "Lord, show us The Father and quit beating around the bush, then we will believe. Jesus was grieved and said "he that has seen me has seen The Father. No man can say these things. No man will be worshiped and not be rebuked. No man is without sin. No mere man, anyway.---
They just hired a Jehovah Witness at my work and he makes me very uncomfortable. And now that I know they don't believe in Jesus it makes me want to get him fired
”“We are not throwing stones at you for any good work,” they replied. “We are stoning you for saying a very evil thing. You are only a man. But you claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Didn’t God say in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’? (Psalm 82:6) We know that Scripture is always true. God spoke to some people and called them ‘gods.’ If that is true, what about the one the Father set apart as his very own? What about this one the Father sent into the world? Why do you charge me with saying a very evil thing? Is it because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Don’t believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But what if I do them? Even if you don’t believe me, believe these works. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” Again they tried to arrest him. But he escaped from them. Then Jesus went back across the Jordan River. He went to the place where John had been baptizing in the early days. There he stayed. Many people came to him. They said, “John never performed a sign. But everything he said about this man was true.” And in that place many believed in Jesus.“ John 10:33-42 NIRV
1. OK I said both sides could be argued I'm not trying to convince you of it either way, just sharing 2. Also, I've observed arguments where learned men said "I AM" is an improper rendering of the Greek 3. With that said, I'm done, here. Thanks
One thing we do know is that Jesus is NOT God........If Jesus is God then WHO was he praying to ? ......If Jesus is God then why did he say "I am going back to MY GOD and MY FATHER ? So WHO is the God of Jesus, and what is his name, when you find the answer to that question then you will see the TRUTH behind WHO God is ! Jesus backed up that belief when in prayer to his heavenly father said,...”"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. Notice how he calls his father the ONLY TRUE GOD! The first century Christians taught the same when they preached for example 1 Cor 15: 24-28 where we see in Vs 24 that Jesus has a GOD AND FATHER and that in Vs 28 he SUBJECTS himself to his God & Father! SOME do say however, that Jesus does address God as his God and his father because he was A MAN however one of the clearest scripture which shows that Jesus is NOT God is Rev 3:12 where we see Jesus as NOT a man but back in heaven: "The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. New International Version So WHO is the God Of Jesus, and what is his name ? "Think critically"? NO WAY. I guess they think Jesus prayed to himself and claimed to be his own son.
God can be many things at once. You see yourself as spiritual being, emotional being, physical being, etc. You meditate to clear your conscious, essentially empowering and speaking to your own god body. Buddhists do this. Many people do. So Christ, in man form, reached to his higher self. He set out to teach us to do the same and also give his man body as the last blood sacrifice for atonement of our sins. This was teaching us how relate to God the creator. As in a marriage or “covenant”, where 2 become 1.
You Trinity people say Jesus God and holy Spirit are all equal,so if they were all equal why would God exalt Jesus after he died for our sins..dosent make any sense..if th3y were all equal why did Jesus say there is one greater than me?? Trinity didnt start until 600 years after Jesus death..It started when constatine was ruler over rome.. remember Constantine was pagan before he turned Christian, Trinity believes are the same as pagans..
Yup. The main reason Yeshua was terminated was because he revealed a Gnostic teaching. The Pharisees accused Yeshua of claiming to be god. He asked "aren't we all gods like in your text?", referencing Psalms which says we're gods, too, but not the main one. We are reflections. Avatars that will "die" because we are small atoms of god bound in flesh. Yeshua also said the devil was the father of the Sagucees, Pharisees, and Heroditites. That's the old testament god. The Bible debunks all pagan sects that came out of Europe, and they were too dumb to take it out. They just have all their "tower of babel-like" interpretations.
Jesus said "I and the Father ARE one". Not IS one. The Chairman tell the reporters that he and the management ARE ONE. Meaning, they are united in their decisions. Learning grammar would help. Else, twisting verses to fit some agenda will always run into trouble.
The identity of the person, Father and Son, makes it plural. But they are one. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. See the separation of the Word and God yet one! In the same way, I and the Father separate persons by one. If you can explain this union and the separation at the same time of the Word and God John 1/1, then you can understand the union and separation between (I and the Father). It is a mystery. We are called to worship in mystery.
@@patrickmugwanja8667God is not a God of confusion. The trinity should be clear (if it is truly that inportant) but isn't to many people. 1st Corinthians 15:28 explicitly states Jesus will be in subjection to God. Revelations 3:12 Jesus is in heaven at this point and still calling God "My God". Jesus cannot have a God when/if he is God in heaven. What Trinitarians do is try to twist in any way they can to make these scriptures work and it simply doesn't work. What makes more sense is that God, Jesus and HS are a team, but not 100% equal to one another. If I take the other scriptures that appear to support the trinity, I then have to outright deny the other scriptures that go against it (and there are more than I posted). I'm not going to cherry pick versus that support my view. I take them together and feel my above belief makes the most sense.
@@tongakhan230exactly. There's different ways we can interpret this. God is not a God of confusion. The trinity should be painstakingly clear if it exists.
@@AbstractMindsThinkAlike :Anyone living before Jesus and during his time would understand who a father is and who a son is. When some apostasy tried to make a son his own father, how would any sane person view that. All these futile exercises to make such happen is more to do with saving face. Truth is irrelevant.
It become a matter of perception based on one's knowledge and acknowledgement of their trust in scripture as the word of God or just religious literature. If you can trust God to have done as He said He could do by preserving the bible even though heaven and earth would pass away, then realizing the divinity of Christ can and will come by reading His word, and by faith, believing it.
1. ? I think that the Truth can emerge - I don't deny that. 2. This answer is irrelevant to #2. 3. This answer is not related to #3. #2 I agree; however, some or most apologists aren't exhaustive methinks #3 I'm not "attacking" it; I'm just pointing out that one could see valid points for either view.
despite insults and abuse jesus maintained self control never trying to harm his opposers 1st peter 2:22-23 he remained faithfull until death a cruel and painful death at the hands of his enemies philippians 2:8 accused by false witnesses, convicted by corrupt judges, laughed at by mobs and tortured by soldiers. nailed to a stake, took his last breath and said 'it has been accomplished' john 19:30, 3 days later came back few weeks later BANG!!! sitting at the right hand of the father. easy>hard?
john 17:3 please allow yourself to take in knowledge of the one true god (jehova) and of the one whom he sent forth, jesus christ. one person said you are eye opening and you have informative videos... recall that this son is a perfect reflection of his father. "he that has seen me has seen the father also" john 14:9 you gotta check your facts bro im just a beginner and i got more knowledge then you and all your followers... nothing about the arch angel mickey also... dont waste peoples time
This is why Christ stressed the importance of the whole of scripture. Jesus has dozens of names. He's called the Lily Of The Valley, A Root Out Of Dry Ground, The Great Physician But we don't assume He's fauna nor just some doctor. Nor do we assume He's just a lamb. Why not? Because He's also given the title I Am The Alpha and Omega, The First and The Last, King of kings and Lord of lords, The Beginning and The End, The Everlasting Father. His titles are unique to Him in His word and the world.
1. I believe there is enough evidence in Scripture that either point could be well-argued. 2. "God was IN CHRIST" - that is how He could know. 3. The knowledge of God is through faith in His Son's Word; God knowing my temptations is irrelevant.
1. Not enough evidence at all. Even you are not sure 2. God doesnt need to be IN his creation to know. Jesus said i dont know the hour? Mark 13:32 3. Gods knowledge is not limited. Please dont talk about things you have no knowledge of.
Therefore, whether you understand Hebrew or not, there are just too many places in scripture which not only suggest His deity but actually give us no other way to interpret what's being said. So relying on your lack of understanding about why one of His titles is Everlasting Father as a reason for denying all the rest is more irrational than just accepting the fact that it's one of the references to His deity which you need to learn more about to understand. Aloha!
--to be someone who would crush their enemies and move them back into the position of a world power, as in the days of David and Solomon. But Christ is a manifold person. He's The King of kings, and a child wrapped in swaddling clothes (whatever those are) The point is, they did the exact opposite of what you're doing! They ignored His humanity! And just like you are wrong now, they were wrong then. We don't decide who or what God is. We are taught who and what He is. He is God. We are students.
ledererddy HAVE we ever thought what is implied by the expressions "the Creator of the heavens," also, "God, who created all things"? Those expressions imply that there was a time when God was all alone. (Isaiah 42:5; Ephesians 3:9) No creation existed. So for an eternal past this God was all by himself and he had not yet become a Creator. That is why the the prophet Moses said in prayer to God: "Before mountains were born or earth and universe came to the pangs of birth, and from eternity to eternity, you are Deity." (Psalms 90:2, Byington's translation) During all that eternal past before creation God was able to enjoy Himself..
You are wrong I am a Christian and Nesus said I do not my will Buttonwillow, of he that sent me. He said the father is greater than I. JEAUS IS THE FIRST BORN OF ALL CREATION. man could not put God to death. At the end of his 1000 yr reign Jesus hands ma kind in their glorified state back to God's kingship for now man will not have to go through Christ to talk to God Almignty.
I would argue that you cannot have a personal relationship with God if Christ was not God incarnate. How can God empathize with you if he were not tempted as you are? It's as if I raise my son to be a warrior, send him to battle, he then returns to tell me the horrors and tribulations of war and in turn I now go out proclaiming I know what war is like. Simply put, that would be very arrogant and presumptive not to mention a harsh degradation of warriors. GOD'S EMPATHETIC NOT SYMPATHETIC
@@archangeljesus4369 The Watchtower: The man that had been sightless from birth and whom Jesus had healed said in answer to the question, "Dost thou believe on the Son of God?" "Lord, I believe," and then worshiped Jesus. (Judgment Day For Jehovah's Vindication, June 15, 1947, Vol. 68, No. 12, page 185)
Man and woman become one flesh because just as woman came out of man, also the son came out of the Father in like fashion.. the Father begat himself.. into time whereas the Father remains within Eternity or the place with time.. Therefore Jesus is the God of Reality or the Universe.. His birth occurred simultaneously creating time and space
Hello there, can you tell me where in the bible does it say that "Jesus created all things"? At Colossians 1:15 It says that Jesus is "the firstborn of all creation," for he was God's first creation. He is the "only-begotten Son." (John 3:16) This means that Jesus was the only one directly created by Jehovah God. Jehovah God used Jesus to create all other things. (Colossians 1:16). Please feel free to contact me. ~ Yours Truly, A Jehovah's Witness Named Eric
But it doesn't say 'the son" and "the Father" - it specifically says "GOD" and 'the Lamb" as if "GOD" was one thing, and "the Lamb" was another. Again, it doesn't say "the Father".
Trinity is a from paganism..the pagans believed in a Trinity of there God's.. Jesus was more than a man your right about that..he was an angel sent by Jehova.. Jesus never said he was God,they tried to stone him cuz he said he was son of God.. Jesus also told his followers I am in u u are in me..doesn't mean his Disciples were also Jesus.. Jesus told the Pharasees u need two witnesses that I am son of God..I am one my father is the other..if Jesus was God that would only be one witness..when two of Jesus disciples asked if they could be by his side in heaven,he said that is not for him to decide but for his father to decide..after Jesus died for our sins Jehova exalted him,gave him the highest rank in heaven..he is king of kings and Lord of lords,and he is king in heaven,but Jehovah his father is God of heaven..
Jesus said, "I came down from Heaven" When asked about his age, He said He was alive "before Abraham was" Jesus is given the Title "the Word of God" even after He takes on Human Form [Rv 19] - Co-Creator of all things. Jesus being firstborn of Creation could also be explained as "firstborn of the NEW creation" (as you know the entire creation will be new), in that He is "first born from the dead" Col 1:18 - i.e.: "firstfruits of the resurrection".
mathew 16:16 john 3:13 mathew 9:35-36 jesus lived in heaven as a spirit creature way before he came to earth. he came as the bridge back to god the ransom for our sins and he came because the religious leaders at the time werre not doing a good enough job. he came from heaven to earth to show the way from the earth to the stake my debt to pay from the stake to the grave from the grave to the sky lord i lift your name on high. but remember jesus did all this for the father jehova
In a way, you're right! God doesn't come right out and say Jesus is God. But He also doesn't come out of Heaven and tell us which one is right. It is a matter of reading and believing what scripture teaches. Inference is an integral portion of the laws of logic. We must make them in order to get to the truth. Christ wasn't running around shouting "I'm God in the flesh! Do what I say!" But when He was asked directly in court of San Hedron, He confessed "It is as you say!" That cost Him His life!
I think Jesus is somehow equal with God, but why does Revelation say "the Throne of the Lamb AND God" if they are the same? You're saying "God" is one thing, altogether, and "the Lamb" is something else. I don't understand 100%, but I know Pp2 & Jn 5:18 say that He is equal with God, somehow.
Renaissance and Reformation periods used the term Jehovah for YHWH, in the 19th and 20th centuries biblical scholars again began to use the form Yahweh. Jehovah is a Jew and he is Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.
LOL fauna... one could argue that He is "alpha" by reason being "first of all creation", etc., ... I'm just saying, I think either point could be argued, and I would like to see both points argued exhaustively. I don't think Jesus could be called the Everlasting Father, He has never been nor ever will be the Father. I'm not saying Jesus isn't unique - apparently, He was there before and at creation; however, this just adds to the mystery for me. I consider ALL Scripture; I don't brush clues off.
Moreover, Jesus is a Son Who will eternally be obedient to His Father - the Father is not obedient to the Son. Just something to think about: if Christ commands the Father, then we can command Christ. Of course, we are called only to SUBMIT.
It doesn't say "God the God" and "God the Lamb"; it says "God" and "the Lamb" as if they were not one in the same. I'm just saying, it gives rise to questions and possibilities.
I think it can (at the very least) be said, with safety, that Christ is "divine" - He was "in the form of God" and came to be (later) "in the form of a servant [man]" [Pp 2:5,6]. Being "in the form OF God" means you are not God but in the form OF that God. If I make a matchbox car that is in the form OF a Porsche doesn't mean I can drive to work in it. I'm just trying to see the issue from both sides.
Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is God? Can you use the bible to back your points? Psalms 83:18 says that Jehovah alone is the most high over all the earth, and if you question the name Jehovah, it is rendered from YHWH that was used in the hebrew scriptures nearly 7,000 times. But here you are saying that Jesus is God. I find that very interesting that you would say that. If you were taught by the bible, you would know God. ~ Yours truly, a Jehovah's Witness named Eric.
@@fredrolinners8903 Thomas was so shocked 😱 about seeing his Messiah risen from the dead that he used a phrase very common to us these days as omg. Thomas never said he was God though.
1. Scripture is theologically ambiguous whilst "inerrantly" lucid. 2. Somethings in theology cannot be compromised, thus we have apologetics. 3. The deity of Christ and the doctrine of The Trinity being foremost and surprisingly most attacked along with the resurrection.
As I said, I would like to hear it discussed. I heard the debate of Drs. Brown+White vs. Good + Buzzard and I thought Good and White were "creamed" and did not represent their position very well. LOL Ultimately, I don't care if Christ IS God or not God: whatever God says Jesus is I'll accept.
Sorry, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17. Is it too far fetched that before being sent to earth, Jesus’ name might have been Michael? Jesus, who is the most important human to have ever walked the earth, is never mentioned by name in the ‘Old Testament’. Isaiah 9:6 says of his name: “….and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” (King James) He was assigned the name Jesus when he was born. Luke 1:31, Matthew 1:21, And Immanuel at Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23 Did you know, in Rev 3:12, after referring to His God 4 times, (Yes, Jesus has a God) Jesus receives a new name? Rev 3:12 “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.” King James
What we "believe" is of no consequence. What is written is of eternal consequence. Being accurate and involving all of His teachings is a commandment. Perverting, watering down, being selective, ignorant, even sincerely ignorant is blasphemy and heresy. Jesus taught, it's better that you were never born then to twist His word, leading even one soul astray. Consider yourself rebuked. If you don't know, don't go. Using capital letters doesn't fix the problem of misrepresentation of Christ's word.
In the Bible, there is no word trinity. But the Bible was written in Hebrew.. Jesus name was called . By a different name as well was God was called by a different name only because there is no J in the alphabet in Hebrew.
And no one or nothing is equal to God, btw. Any fool who claims he's equal to God is delusional. Jesus is equal to God because He is God. "Before Abraham was, I Am" Logic demands us to draw conclusions from the information available to us. There are laws which orchestrate the proper outcome. While it's possible for that outcome to be wrong, there is still only one "logical" outcome given the inferences made by the available information. Contradictions are not logical outcomes. That in mind-cnt'd
I could have sworn it was in Revelations as well, but I couldn't find it there. But I did find it here -->Isaiah 9:6- For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.... No one is entitled to these names but God Himself. Any and all created beings taking or giving claim to these titles to anyone but God are blaspheming.
lederereddy If Jehovah is "the only true God," what kind of "God" is Jesus? Jesus himself referred to his Father as "the only true God." (John 17:3) Jehovah himself said: "Besides me there is no God." (Isa. 44:6) The apostle Paul wrote that, to true Christians, "there is one God the Father." (1 Cor. 8:5, 6) So Jehovah is unique; no one else shares his position. Jehovah stands in utter contrast to all such objects of worship as idols, deified humans, and Satan. All these are false gods. Jesus is spoken of in the Scriptures as "a god," even as "Mighty God." (John 1:1; Isa. 9:6) But nowhere is he spoken of as being Almighty, as Jehovah is. (Gen. 17:1) Jesus is said to be "the reflection of [God's] glory, "but the Father is the Source of that glory. (Heb. 1:3) Jesus in no way seeks the position of his Father. He said: "It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." ( Luke 4:8) He exists "in God's form," and the Father has commanded that "in the name of Jesus every knee should bend," but this is all done "to the glory of God the Father."---Phil. 2:5-11.
@@johncolage1651 Why don't you ask God to explain the trinity to you, because apparently, you're unable to comprehend what you're reading. And toss the JW perversion of the true Word of God. In English, that would be The King James translation, period. Then maybe you'll see the fact that there is only one God, John. The Alpha and Omega, First, Last, Creator of all, The Almighty, God, and The Everlasting Father. You seem to think you can deny God's word if your 3lb brain can't understand how The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one God is possible. But that's the problem with people who choose religion to save them rather than accepting God's salvation. You're not interested in seeking God or His will. I agree that the Trinity is humanly inconceivable! But I don't have to understand the trinity to see that it is exactly what the Bible teaches and it's what The Holy Spirit confirms. And if contradictions, seeming or literal, were such a problem for you, then you must not be a Jehovah's witness! They can't open their mouth when it comes to scripture without contradicting scripture!... Or being blithering idiots, forgive my frankness. The Mormon church and Jehovah's Witness Temple are two of the biggest cults in the world, next to the Catholic church. Why would anyone expect you to get the doctrine of the trinity right when you've screwed most of the rest of the Bible up so badly? Read Genesis 3. What did the serpent promise Eve if only she ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Satan said she'd be like God. He lied! She was already like God. She became less like God after she ate. Jehovah's Witnesses promise people they too will become like God. They couldn't come up with something original, so, in service to their true master, Satan, they make the fools the same stupid promise! No one can be like God! By definition, God would not be God, if some created being could ever become like Him. Jesus reveals Himself all through scripture. Especially the new testament. Get a King James Bible. There are only a few dozen difficult words to understand, so get a dictionary too. Then pray and ask The Holy Spirit to guide you, teach you, and humble your spirit enough to receive The Lord and His salvation. God promises to do the rest. Seek Me and you shall find Me. Knock and the door shall be opened. Ask and you shall receive. Time is short. I pray that you can find your way home. And soon, John. In Jesus' name. Amen.
Sir, I'm sorry but you missed what I said here: I never said even one time Jesus was human nor attempted to accentuate His humanity - what I said was that He could NOT be merely Human (its safe to say He is divine) because He PRECEDED humanity and created all things. With all due respect, I think you have to be more careful when reading so you don't falsely accuse brothers.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3 What does: Only True God mean? Who said this statement?
I appreciate your effort, but: 1. I am not fluent in ancient Hebrew at the moment; I heard there are often problems with translations as well as base texts. 2. It would make ZERO sense to call Jesus the Father if He is the Son. That would be like calling the Father the Son or the Holy Spirit Jesus or the Holy Spirit the Father. It is logically incoherent: Jesus is not the Father, period. 3. I'm already busy studying something else; if God wills, I will look into this at another time. Thanks
That in mind, When Christ said "Before Abraham was, I Am!" Inferences can be made, and they must be made according to the context of what was written, the cultural implications, Judeo principles of law, etc. If and when we consider the fact that Christ was no fool. Realizing then that He knew exactly what He was saying, why He was saying it and how the religious leaders would react. Then there is but one reasonable conclusion. Christ believed and taught on His divinity even at the risk of death.
JWs have a counterfeit Christ (2 Cor. 11:4) and a false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9; Jude 3). They are a pseudo-Christian cult, not a biblical, Christian group. The Deity of Christ is essential, salvific truth. Jn. 1:1; Jn. 5:18; Jn. 8:58; Jn. 10:30-33; Jn. 20:28; Heb. 1; Col. 1; Phil. 2, etc. Jesus is YHWH. This is the truth JWs need to have eternal life. Jesus is the God-Man, one person with two natures.
---because Christ is eternal, having no beginning and no end. A High Priest after the order of Melchizedek or Melchisedec. He is The creator of "all" and was not created John 1. He is The Word which was in the beginning and spoke all things into existence. And then He became flesh, lived victoriously over sin, was crucified by man, accursed by God, endured God's just wrath, rose from the dead an became the firstborn over all creation. Who Christ is, is indispensable to salvation. A big decision!
Ah, yes. I agree. But regardless of this passages perfect translation, the deity of Christ has been exhaustively established. The prophet's establish Christ as God in the flesh, the only begotten son (meaning, Christ was incarnated as an infant through a physical term of human birth.) Christ admitted His deity to the San Hedron and was executed for it. Christ is defined as The Creator of all things and was not created Himself. His deity is a biblical reality.Our fate's decided in regards to Him.
If you want to know what the word teaches, just read it. Don't read into it. As soon as you start deciding what can and can't be with God, you're going to get lost and start rewriting it in your mind. Yes, the bible has a lot to say about Christ's humanity. But it has just as much to say about His deity. The Jewish nation was harshly judged because of their ignorance of scripture. He came unto His own, but His own received Him not! They were consumed with religiosity and power. Expecting Him----
What you believe is irrelevant. What you're doing is bleeding His humanity out, as if that was all there is to Him. Meanwhile ignoring His deity. You're not being studious by "believing there are strong arguments for both. There's only one truth. It's the one that embodies the whole truth about Christ. You come across as if you're asking questions, but then you've already made up your mind. If you think you know something, why pretend like you don't? Very odd.
Except that according to scripture, John titles Christ as "The Everlasting Father" in Revelations, near, or the last chapter. John 1 clearly testifies Christ as Creator of all. He paints that conclusion into the corner by stating All things were made by Him. without Him was not anything made that was made. Christ would be just another blasphemous lunatic worthy of stoning for saying "Before Abraham was, I Am!" These concerns have been reviewed extensively, the truth established for centuries.
(Jesus)- "I and my Father are One!" The Jews picked up stones to stone Him to death. Because He, being in the form of a man, made Himself equal to God. Lawful! Except He is. What you just said would make sense except that's exactly what Isaiah calls Him- God! The only problem of logic is preconceived notions about who and what God and Christ can and can't be. You're assuming the verse is meant to take away from The Father or replace The Father. No. Not possible. The Father and The Son are One.
Jesus was not a created being, as Jehovah's claim He was. That is an intentional misrepresentation of what's truly being said in colossians. He is the firstborn over all creation does not translate He was ever created. Like as if it said "He was the first of all creation!" I'd have to study the passage more but I'm sure it refers to the fact that We are new creatures because Christ makes all thing new through redemption. If what JW's say was true then there would be contradictions because----cnt
Lederereddy But who said that Jesus was making himself equal to God? Not Jesus. He defended himself against this false charge in the very next verse (John 5:19): "To this accusation Jesus replied .....'the Son can do nothing by himself, he can do only what he sees the Father doing." For whatever. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner.
@@johncolage1651 --- "But who said that Jesus was making himself equal to God? Not Jesus." You're not too observant, apparently. Try reading the Bible carefully, and in context. While Jesus was in the flesh, yes, He was limited by the flesh. Obviously, He didn't come in the flesh to demonstrate His infinite powers to us! He was humbling Himself by becoming a mere man, walking as a mere man, fulfilling all of the law and the prophecies, and thus, securing our salvation. There are a dozen scriptures that undeniably sustain Jesus' deity. You're trying to ignore all of those and pretend John 5:19 describes the eternal state of Christ? Who told you Jesus isn't God? And why did you believe them over God's word? How do you justify quoting John 5:19 as denying Jesus' deity, then deny John 1? How can Jesus be The Creator of all things, and be The Logos, and Be God, without being God? God's not an amoeba! He doesn't split into multiple beings! That's a contradiction in terms. Read the King James Bible carefully and prayerfully. Burn the diverse modern English perversions. They are demonstrably errant. Then get back to me. FYI, you had better figure out who Jesus is, immediately, John! Because no one enters into the Kingdom of God, or to The Father, but by Him. And if you have a perverted understanding of who Christ is, then you don't know Him and you have not been saved. Jesus gave us a blank check. But you can only cash it through His official and extremely secure account. Trying to cash His check through someone's account that isn't Him, but just looks like Him is going to fail. For many shall come to me on that day, and I (Jesus) will say, "depart from Me. I never knew you."
