to anyone saying that in Ju Jutsu you dont spar full contact in our school we do, when you train like the way you do in the video you are practicing technique only. so your Uke is not meant to resist he is simply just a body to be thrown. however in randori and sparring you do in fact practice throws on a non co operative opponent.
When I was young Jujitsu was just called "jujitsu" and we practiced many moves seen in several schools today, even some of those known as "aikido" and "kodokan goshin jutsu". The Japanese science of winning by giving way is still the best system for self defense, IMO.
I've been training in both fields. 2nd degree black belt in Japanese Jiu Jitsu, 1st degree black belt in BJJ, plus 2 1/2 years in TaeKwonDo and 5 years in MMA. Plus SSG US Army 3rd Battalion 3rd Infantry Division. In my experience as a competitor and Soldier they have their strengths and weaknesses. I will not say that I've killed with my bare hands because I didn't, but I will say that in competition or real life engagements, both have been essential. Let me know you have more questions.
Although bjj and Gjj are extremely useful on the ground that's all they're good for the gracies were exposed when they fought sakuraba because they couldn't take him down and had no stand up game just relying on their own jj. Street fights don't go to the ground unless the attacker is acting on extreme rage and just wants to strangle them or beat then to a pulp which in that case they are more likely to just come at you swinging and punching like madmen. Jjj teaches you some ground techniques too but really people want to stand up fight and are going to just stomp and kick you while you flop onto your back hoping they'll mount you. traditional jj is much more realistic and effective for self defense on the street I don't see how this is even a question which is superior
thats why you also train wrestling or judo to be able throw someone on the ground... otherwise you end up like andre galvao getting his face beatten because he cant do a proper single leg
TJ Sho oh really dumb ass??? Michael Bisping doesn’t seem to think so either. You telling me that Bisping, A former UFC champ doesn’t know what he’s talking about and you a youtube nobody knows more than him??? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1jSTfUCPQfc.html
This is quality guys, did JJ for years and loved it, nice to watch guys that no what they are doing. Must admit though I would have liked to see some finishing techniques, no criticism just my personal preference. Great stuff :-)
Guys, can we stop arguing about whether BJJ or JJ is better? I love BJJ but I also have great respect for JJ because it's the grandfather of BJJ. They're both great, but they're different: BJJ is the evolution of JJ, just like Judo is the evolution of JJ.
actually bjj is not the evolution of JJ, BJJ is a dilution of judo. Bjj is not a real thing, the first dudes in brazil just learned judo but couldnt do all of it so they left out a bunch and spent more time rolling around on the ground.
jas kay "BJJ is not a real thing?" Can I ask you a) what proof you have when it has all the hallmarks of an established martial art besides institutionalism and mysticism, and b) why you think that BJJ doesn't come from JJ because there's a step in between. If that were true, Darwin's theory of evolution would be monkey --> modern human, which we can all see (bar yourself) is a ridiculous assumption. Or, to use an analogy that an ignorant keyboard warrior such as yourself would understand, it's like saying the PlayStation four comes straight after the PlayStation one. Evolution is gradual change over time, so JJ has changed to Judo, and that has changed to BJJ. QED, stultus sangiunum.
Matt Henderson yes, I read it im just saying that Darwin never said that in any way, even in the origine of species by natural selection. Just for your information :)
It's not "better" it depends on the situation like I said. JJJ was made for Samurai combat, it includes weapon disarms and grappling with weapons and is designed for war based combat. Rolling around on the ground or shooting in for a double leg simply would not work in the middle of a Feudal era Japanese battle field... But today many traditional arts seem like they "suck" simply because the people who practice them often times do not train hard, are out of shape and never test their ability.
when I learned it, I started young and our sensei taught us Judo because it really is the (gentle way), but as we got older he allowed us to focus into jiu jitsu. They work extremely well together.
That old dude is in pretty good shape to keep up that pace for almost 2 and a half minutes, I know it's all redirection of force, but not many folks can keep that up for that long
Different ladies have different reasons, but it seems to often be that ladies are not comfortable with that much close contact with guys they don't know. Once we opened our ladies only classes, enrollment skyrocketed. Try not to worry about your gender, once you have been there for a month or two you will be seen as "one of the guys" so-to-speak. As long as they know you are there to train and not to flirt, they will respect you. Stick with it and I think you'll find it to be very rewarding!
Japanese Jiu Jitsu teaches you to break that thresh hold. With BJJ it's tap or snap, you are trained to give your opponent a chance to submit. With JJJ, there is no tap, it's just snap and you are taught not to give your opponent a chance to submit. As my instructor says; "When I grab anything, your wrist, your neck, your arm or your leg. I already have it in my head that it has become my personal property, and I will break it to take it home because it is mine to keep." (Continue...)
Im currently a second degree brown belt in jjj and started doing bjj again a few months back and i use alot of jjj in my standup game along with some wrestling and it amazes me how much all of it can flow together.
The throws themselves will work from multiple entry points; they are just using punches for the demo because it's a good way to showcase the throws Most/nearly all of those throws will work from more of a clinch-fighting position, like in Judo; and possibly from other entries like wrist grabs or bear hugs from behind, etc (depending on the techniques themselves).
Most of these appear to be the same throws. Mainly ipponzeoi, ogoshi and harai goshi with a few others like tsurikomi gosh and o uchi thrown in from time to time. And tori is really taking his time and entering really widely. Especially for his harai goshi he's really throwing his leg far forwards then really driving it backwards with a lot of strength and very slowly And uke's ukemi...
Thank you for your reply :) I went to my first lesson last week and felt a bit conspicuous because i was indeed the only female there, going to my second lesson today and am really quite nervous! but yes its a very close contact sport! How did you manage? :)
@@DrMathOfficial he's throwing his arm down before his body hits the floor. The timing is wrong. The idea behind it is to increase the surface are of your body as it hits the ground to spread the load and reduce impact. He his putting his arm at peril every single time he throws it down like that.
ive just started jiu-jitsu and i didnt see you using many pre-emptive strikes before the throws. Have you tried using these techniques on someone un-willing you like a boxer that is guna throw more than one strike? or where you dnt know what hand they guna use? i would like to know for practical use for e.g. say i got into trouble with a boxer and he was fast jabbbing/hooking me? would it work?
This is a practice session/demo of the basic throwing technique, not a sparring match. Hence Uke does not resist. The jujutsu dojo in which i train practices full contact randori with striking and throws against resisting opponents, up to four or five at once at the higher Dan ranks, as do many others. People with little or no training spend a lot of time making misinformed comments on the interwebs.
Traditional jujitsu is the granddaddy. It far more rounded than it children because its all inclusive. From JJJ came judo, aikido and bjj; which are more specialized. It currently train JJJ but I definitely admire judo, aikido and bjj and hopefully get some train in those as well. Time willing :)
I practice japanese jujitsu but i was able to watch a little bit of a judo practice and let me tell ya, when it comes to throwing, Judo is where its at. however, they have much fewer techniques for self-defense like jj but then again judo is optimized for sport whereas jj is optimized for self-defense.
BJJ(grappling) is one catalog in Jujutsu. One can argue many different arguments on both side but a thing can never be better than something that it comes from. It can only make advancements.
@ianbeon BJJ is taken from Judo, that is where it originated. It actually has more throws than most people know and they stem directly from a lesser known form of judo that focus's on katame waza more than throws. It does have all of the same throws. This has been watered down over the years and you see more shooting and leg sweeps than hip throws or shoulder throws but it is in its history. I feel both systems are great in different aspects. Nice throws though. Do you guys freespar often?
i have never practiced jujutsu (japanese) and i have never practiced brazilian jiu jitsu and have always wondered about the differences between both styles. from what i can see here about the throws is that bjj aims more for the legs in the throws and takedowns. but like i said i really don't know if that is what it is about.
Ahh ok, I know how to do both of those I just wasnt watching closely enough. For some reason I thougt it was a shoulder throw with an Americana arm entanglement. Thanks for the reply. Do you know the throw I mean? I think some people call it a falcon throw but I was wondering what the Japanese name for it is.
I have a question for the tori here in this situation. What is the name of the second throw. It looks like you had his arm in an underhook entanglement. I've seen this one before but wondered what the name was. Thanks for your time.
It looks like a half shoulder throw (in English) but I don't think the Japanese differentiate all the types of shoulder throw (Seoinage in Japanese). The full shoulder throw is the Ippon Seoinage, the one with the right hand gripping Uki's ghi is a Morote Seoinage and there are numerous others just known as shoulder throws. Same as neck throws are called Kubi Nagi and there are loads of them!
+Chris “cd” D As long as you're being Uke for someone who's skilled at throwing. Getting thrown by beginners is generally much more stressful and painful in my experience :)
I loved being 'special' - I'd rather do something more challenging, than do what's ordinary for regular girls. I think it very muched helped me that I used to fight with my brother when I was younger - I mean punching, kicking, skin twists etc. We hated each other!! (we are really good friends now though!). I'm a bit more of a tomboy than a girly-girl too, so I was happy to mix in.
All I notice the difference between JJJ and BJJ is that BJJ goes to the ground on purpose and fights like that, and JJJ stands up, I wonder which is better...
@ianbeon Traditional Gracie BJJ, which is what people talk about when they say BJJ, does have all of this. These are normal BJJ throws. They are more simplified than traditional JJ.
Techniques differ, for example, while ground work is not really a JJJ practitioner's forte, we still work with it. Most of our ground work involves pressure points to soften the opponent up. This gives us an opportunity to spring to our feet or slide in a choke or eye gauge or other techniques. I may grab a fist full of someone's carotid arteries, or I may shove my thumb down the sternal notch and strike the vegus nerve. While BJJ focuses more on chokes and arm bars so to speak.(Continue...)
Call out to god Yes, however you need to unbalance your opponent first and sometimes this part of the training is ignored to focus on the throws alone. It's important to teach strikes aswell which are used to soften your opponent making them easier to throw...
Any technique is effective in a street fight if you're comfortable enough. I have an orange belt in JJJ and have done wrestling for 2 years. The leg sweeps technique from JJJ can be quite effective against wrestlers sometimes and easy to pull off.
The one at 1:54 is some kind of Harai... Not sure which. He's basically just angling out to the side and sweeping one leg. Judo harai techniques are usually done with motion (like "Deashi harai") You may have a hard time finding someone in the youtube comments section who knows the specific JJJ name for that specific sweep.
@ianbeon we practice throws at my school. its a gracie bjj school but we learn judo techniques also pretty cool to learn the japenese history of bjj i think bjj n judos origins should be more well known
Ah, yes of course, please forgive me. It was I that misunderstood the question. Not sure exactly what traditional style of JJ this is, difficult to ascertain that info by looking at throws. Salud...
No, but since nobody else has commented I can get you started. The basic over-the-shoulder is a seio nage. It's possible this is called "ippon seionage" (one arm shoulder throw) but if so it's a variation. It's putting a lot more tension on the elbow joint than for example, Judo would recommend doing (for safe practice without frequent injury). It also reminds me of "sode tsurikomi goshi" because of the sleeve pull; I don't think it's a "goshi" (hip throw) though; but I'm just throwing out additional techniques for you to google since I'm not sure my first answer is going to hit it 100%.
Well i like BJJ but it doesn't have any standing Aikido throws and Judo throws like traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu. It is really good on the ground though
@mrajack1984 If im on the ground in a real fight and someone bites me, im breaking your arm instead of just choking or letting you tap out. Bad, bad idea
