27. The Roman Empire and Nebuchadnezzar's Vision 

Thank you! ...and God's richest blessings as you seek to know and serve our Lord!

@@GoreBruce Bible only speaks about Kings over Israel. SO Head is Babylon. Chest is Persia, Stomach is Greece, Legs is Rome. 10 Toes is 1948, United Nations who gave life to Israel. Remember 10 in Bible means Whole, The whole world ie United nations.

+656trav Many thanks for your kind and encouraging words!

656trav I agree!

I,too, ahree.

Indeed. Amazing how accurate Daniel is. This has been explained by Dr Ben Vatican in his book titled the prophetic perspective on covid19.

Also read the prophetic perspective on covid19 by Dr Ben Vatican

Thank you! That is very encouraging!

Thank you!

I think you could be right and Josephus speaks of how the Zealots had 10 Generals and three of them were taken away and another rose in their place. Eventually a couple of them tried to pass themselves off as The Messiah and did some pretty awful things in the temple up to its destruction in AD70. I still have to read a bit more of what those men did in the Zealot uprising though I do think you could be right about the fourth kingdom being the one you say. It was also Jerusalem and The Temple that was crushed to powder and also set aflame and disappeared like Daniel said.

AMEN...

No diamond. Jesus was a simple rock.

@@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733 A diamond is a type of rock, and it’s the hardest known rock on earth. Just as nothing can cut a diamond, so nothing can prevail against the Will of God.

@@jadedmastermind Technically, a diamond is not a rock as it is pure carbon: "A rock is made from two or more minerals. ... Scientists guess that the Earth contains about 4,000 different minerals. The diamond is the Earth's hardest mineral. A diamond is so hard that it's possible to cut a diamond with another diamond."

My philosophy has tended to be, "Never firmly adopt a theological position until the Bible paints you into that corner, and you can't escape!" Thanks for the feedback, and blessings in your pursuit of God's truth, my friend!

Bruce Gore God bless you too Bruce and thanks for the videos, They are very helpful to me !

Bruce Gore And I agree with that philosophy.

i too am reading sproul. i agree with you when you say: "...they do unless you were taught it, or indoctrinated. It doesn't appear to emerge from a plain reading of scripture."

​@@jamesdinallo236it may be you haven't read through the whole scripture, so you can't see it. I noticed that reform theology preachers have no explanation about , the nation of Israel and current events.

You can find my treatment of this question here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cH458CbRzNo.html

Nope, that is almost 100% wrong. You have the little details like Jesus nicknamed Simon "Rock", Paul means little, and who preached what sermons, but Jesus explained the rock cut out without hands which became His kingdom, built without hands, in Matt 16. The Kingdom was built on the fact/rock that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. If you could garner proof that that fact is not a fact, the Church/Kingdom would collapse. That one point is truly the foundation of the Church. Not Peter, you can take him away and still have the Church. Not Paul, you can take him away and also still have the Church. Take Christ away, and there is no Kingdom. Jesus is the Rock in this statue, the rest is just circumstantial evidence which amounts to a red herring.

@@vaeshethblade931 Peter and Paul are shadows of Jesus Christ. It's the gospel that they preached which caused changes up to Rome.

Interesting!

Yes they are the same, John has more revelation of Daniels vision. The antichrist subdues 3 of the 10 toes, horns., making him the 8th in rev 17v11

Interesting thought!

Even at the time of Christ Rome was making alliances and arbitrarily making cities or areas a part of Rome. Take Saul of Tarsus for instance. Tarsus sent aid to Rome during battle and the emperor rewarded their help by making them a Roman province. Paul, of the stock of Benjamin, a Pharisee of Pharisees was a Roman citizen by birth just because of the city in which he was born. If you look at an ancient map, Rome was peppered throughout its surrounding area. The iron mixed with clay is a really vivid and accurate picture of how Rome operated and what ultimately led to its downfall.

My thoughts coincide with yours: The clay represents apostate Israel, which mixed and mingled with Rome and held a 'favored nation' status with each of the Caesars from Augustus to Nero. The Bible also speaks at great length of rebellious Israel as the lump of clay on the Potter's wheel, which refused to obey the LORD and chose instead to follow and make friends with The World. At JESUS' trial, Israel declared in open court, that they "had no king but Caesar"; coupling monotheistic Israel to polytheistic Rome! Therefore at CHRIST's resurrection when the Stone strikes its lethal blow and pulverizes each militarized kingdom into dust; it occurs right on the heels of the Jews choosing Caesar over MESSIAH- apostate Jerusalem as the clay in bed with Rome and/or the Harlot riding the Beast.

@@vaeshethblade931 wow. Interesting

@@elizabeths4371 awesome

Not likely, David was 600 years earlier.

Interesting hypothesis. Thank you!

@@GoreBruce You're welcome! Your own thoughts have enriched my understanding of the symbolism of the statue, so the feeling is mutual.

The image in Daniel is showing the Gentile powers that dominated from the time of Daniel to the time of Rome. Egypt was not a dominate power in that time-frame, but much earlier.

Because Daniel interpreted the head of Gold to be Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian Empire. Egypt by this time was not and would never be a world power again but rather a vassal state of other empires.

Interesting perspective. Thanks!

You are so right when you get to know history you will get to know all of the lies they print in that bible in daniel they say the stone without human hand came struck the image and it all vanish away and the stone filled the whole earth the pastor are preaching in the churches that the stone is jesus christ and also its in the future to happen well its a big big lie because in saudi Arabia in mecca their us the black stone which every year all over the world every persob who are muslim go their to bow down to that black stone which is islam rome Constantine move the empire and they were defeated by the ottoman islam empire which is the stone what a lie they have been feeding us in the bible we have start study history

Gore also make a bold statement supporting the Heliocentric Model (the Jesuit-Freemasonic construct). The Bible of course offers the Truth: stationary under the firmament... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-crasHY5HCdI.html

Ephesians 1:20-21, for one example.

The problem you have with your interpretation, is that you are taking a statement made to Christians in Revelation, and applying it to the Law that God had already removed. The followers of the Beast would be changing the New Law, not the Old Law. In Jerimiah 31 God promised to take away the Old Law. In Psalm 118 the stone which the builders rejected became the head cornerstone. How can that happen? How can a stone left behind by the builders become the most important stone in the house? There's only one way that can happen. A different builder put it in a different house. That is Jesus' point in Matt 21: 33-46. God changed the Law BEFORE He told of those who would try to change what He had done. Your objection to Christianity is based on your ignorance of God's Word, and I don't mean that in a mean or derogatory way, I mean it in its most literal form: lack of knowledge. You can fix that by reading it. I highly recommend reading Hebrews as the theme of that letter is: Better. The New Law is better, the Law Giver is better, the Priesthood is better, literally everything is better, so, why would you want to go back to that which was inferior? Those who seek to undo what God has done in Christ subscribe to the beast, not those who turn from Judaism to Christ.

@@vaeshethblade931 there ain't 1 single verse ANYWHERE that says the law is done away with, for anyone. Yet there are 10 direct verses straight quotes from God, that say the law is never ending and never changing, and there are 3 verses that directly say "the same law that is for the native born Israelite, is the same law for the foreigner". Fact, end of discussion satan.

Jason G True. The numerical value of his name is 666 in Greek. It is also 616 in Latin.

I've been all over the place regarding this issue concerning old testament laws. Jesus said to keep 2 commandments...I believe it doesn't matter what day we set aside for public worship concerning Holy days we are not to judge. Jesus Christ fulfilled every type & shadow the old testament pointed to ! There's so much to say about this subject. May God bless you as you seek the Lord with all your heart and love and obey Him as He leads!

@@nortfroggirl Jesus said to only keep 2 commandments did he? Did you know that the VERY NEXT SENTENCE of that verse you quoted, literally says "and ALL THE LAW and prophets hang on these 2 commandments"? Ypu are 100% trying to enter through the wide path. I wonder how that will work out? I can always tell the lazy ones who do not know scripture, because they copy and paste the trigger verses, which they have 100% taken out of context. Like you did. You even said that we dont have to obey the bibke, because Jesus "fulfilled" everything. Are you this lazy? The word "fulfilled" as translated in your english bible, comes from the Greek word "plarahoo". Plarahoo means "to fully preach", and plarahoo is later translated in the book of Roman's 13 as "fully preach" instead of the wrong translation of "fulfill".

@@-kepha8828 You need to read Hebrews or anything written by Paul. What Jesus said was, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." (Matt 5: 17-18) Until all be fulfilled. The entirety of the Law and the Prophets was fulfilled in Christ, at which point, the Law changed. The end of Heb 8 and the beginning of 9 quote from Jeremiah 31 to show that the Old Covenant has been replaced with a better one. God didn't just pull the carpet out from under everyone, he gave us a bigger, prettier, better carpet. In this context of 'out with the old and in with the new' the writer says, "Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant" in Heb 9: 4. It is not a coincidence that he names the ark of the COVENANT and the TABLES OF THE COVENANT in this "the old COVENANT is dead and passing away" context. He could have said, tables of the Law, but he didn't. He lumped the tables in with that which is Old and dead. So, now that we are under a New Covenant with a New Law, can we commit adultery since the tables were done away? That's a good question, but we can't answer it by going to the Old Contract, we have to go to the latest version, handed down by Christ Himself (see Hebrews chapter 1). Paul writes, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (I Cor 6: 9-11) Again, God did not just yank the Law out from under us, He gave us a new and better Law. It is also not an amended Old Law. It is an all new, all inclusive Law. Anything not found in it was left out intentionally. Anything new and different was added intentionally, such as baptism. (See Romans 6 and the part about being washed in I Cor 6 above.) Ellen White is a liar and she is such an excessively false prophet (predicted the end of the world no less than 18 times when Christ said nobody knows but the Father) that I really can't relate to anybody who believes her. Do yourself a favor and compare what she wrote to what Paul said in Rom 14 on the Sabbath day and you can't miss the fraud that is Ellen G White.

@@vaeshethblade931 lol, not falling for the loes you spread. Paul himself said this about the law: "What shall we do then, should we abolish the law? Heaven forbid! We should ESTABLISH IT! Paul also says in Hebrews 8 that the holy spirits job is to write Gods law on our hearts, causing us to want to obey the law. You dont know scripture and it shows. You only spew the lies your lawless leaders have fed you, like a lieing parrot.

The church of later day saints has many problems the first being their beliefs concerning Jesus Christ. Bruce has good vids that touch on LDS

@@nortfroggirl Jesus Christ was Heavenly Father's literal son. And as such they are two separate personages representing a united Godhood along with the Holy Ghost, the only member of the Godhood that is purely spirit as opposed to flesh and bones, as demonstrated by the literal and physical resurrection ofJesus Christ. The Nicean Creed, adopted by apostate Christianity, that makes God the Father and Jesus Christ a part of a vague and undefined common substance is both confusing and false. The Apostle Stephen saw Jesus Christ standing next to Heavenly Father when he was being martyred. Joseph Smith likewise saw a similar vision in 1820 that I know to be true. You can know too by reading the Book of Mormon and asking God directly if it us indeed an additional witness of Jesus Christ. Which I testify to be true.

That's the most hilarious take in this whole thread. HAHAHAHAHHA

This is certainly the view held by dispensational thinkers, but would be quite rare outside those circles. Thanks for the feedback.

@@GoreBruce I wouldn't call it rare. I don't hold to dispensationalism and yet it is clear we still live in the tension of now and not yet. There is no way a solid reading of Revelation can lead someone to believe everything has been fulfilled.

I agree! I hope you will find time to following along our upcoming series on Revelation, The uploads will start showing up soon (September 2019).

I sure will. I have loved your detailed teachings. The messianic Jewish belief and the Christian belief can be easily resolved with right division of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), the mystery hidden in God from the foundation of the world (the Gospel of grace [1 Corinthians 2:7 & Ephesians 3:4-6] about salvation for also the Gentiles revealed by Christ unto Paul) ) and thus all according to the Scriptures. The rapture (gathering) teaching hovering around the onset of the great tribulation or in that period is based on two or three assumptions that are not really tenable for multiple reasons and ignoring verses that point away from those assumptions. In John 6:39,40 & 44, three times He (Jesus) clearly states "I will raise you up at the Last Day." In Job 14: 12-14, it says "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that Thou wouldest hide me in the grave, ... until Thy wrath be past, that Thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! ... all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come." [from the corruptible to the incorruptible]. 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 > Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (The reason that Death has no power thereafter is because Death and Hell are also cast into the Lake of Fire.) [Heavens (1st and 2nd) being no more can only happen at end of time i.e. end of the millennium reign and the first earth passes away - at His third coming to cast Satan, Death and Hell into the Lake of Fire and then bring down the New Earth where HE will dwell with Believers forever.] (The following verse clearly states that tribulations are a manifest token of Gods righteous judgement and to be counted worthy of the Kingdom of God). 2 Thessalonians 1:4-9 > ... patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: ... you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be "punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord", and from the glory of His power; (Contrary to most preachings the time of great tribulation is not the wrath of God but the work of the Antichrist and Satan - and in any event Paul states we are to endure persecutions and tribulations; the wrath of God that Believers will be spared from is the everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord at His third coming and for that alone we should be grateful). The truth is that, the time of great tribulation will culminate with the 2nd coming of Jesus and establishing His Millennium reign from David's throne from Jerusalem (after He judges the nations that come up against Israel.) Then, He will fulfill the Ezekiel 36 and 37 prophecy by bringing the dry bones of Old Testament Jewish Believers including the Patriarchs and Prophets to life (born again - part in first resurection and therefore no second death), and sprinkle them with water and give them a new spirit [Ezekiel 36:24-26 ]; i.e. born again, with water and spirit and they will reign with Christ for a thousand years. He will both purify their lips and also restore the purity of the Hebrew language and over a generation or so, Hebrew will be the universal language of governmental administration. Other languages will fade away and thus the prophecy that "tongues will cease" will be fulfilled.(1 Corinthians 13:8). John (the Baptist) indeed baptised with water; but John also revealed that One who comes will baptise with the Holy Spirit. There is a time and context to Scripture ; there was "times past", "but now", and "ages to come" - (Millennium followed by Eternity). Examine the reality - most Jews in Israel and outside do not get baptised ; most Christians do get baptised. Was Paul disobeying Christ when he stated that "he was not sent to baptise" but to preach the gospel. Are the Jews disobeying Christ when they do not conduct water baptism. Examine the controversy about Sabbath - Saturday or Sunday ? In this "but now" age of grace - Remember what Jesus and Paul have declared to us in Scrioture. Jesus in Mark 2:27 > And He said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Paul in Romans 14:5-6 > One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it... In any event, God mandated the Sabbath that Man may remember the Creator and His 6 day creation account as His Word.. Just as He commanded, that as often as we can, to remember that He gave His body and blood as atonement for our sin; we could do it everytime we eat and drink with family, relations , friends etc. The establishment has however sought to make it a sacrament. (The hindrance today for Israel as a nation is what Paul has revealed in ) Romans 9:31-33 > But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written [in Isaiah], Behold, I lay in Zion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Our hope is in Christ and His promise - Colossians 1:22-23 > In the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in HIS sight: If ye continue in "the faith" grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; "The faith" referred to above is in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 and Ephesians 1:13 is, If you believe that He died, was buried and resurrected, you are sealed [baptised] by the Holy Spirit. Salvation and Redemption is given unto us by HIS grace, and is by the faith of Christ (obedience to the Father), and an opportunity for us to receive through faith in Christ and not by our works; for if it's by works then it's not grace; if we think we can stand before Him based on our good works be very careful for it's not a better option than His grace where Christ present's us before HIM, as blameless. Finally, at the end of the millennium after Satan, Death and Hell are all cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10, 14), there will be resurrections - (i) Believers will be gathered unto Him and Resurrected to Life (part in first resurrection) and (ii) others (atheists, agnostics, religion followers) to the Resurrection to Judgement when He will judge them not according to what mortal Man considers as good works but on His standard of righteousness and it's possible that He may well have mercy or compassion on some of them - Remember Romans 9:15-16 > For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. Therefore it's not for Man to judge today, who goes to paradise or hell but be content that in His grace, He gives Resurrection to Life freely to those that accept Him as Saviour and Redeemer. John 14:2-3 > In my Father's house are many mansions: ... And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. ["a place" is referring to incorruptible covering if rightly read along with 2 Corinthians 5:1-8] 2 Corinthians 5: 1-4 > For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, ... eternal in the heavens. ... For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 > For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." At the end of the millennium reign, after the resurrections on the last day at His third coming, this the First Earth will pass away and there will be no more sea (no more a firmament that separates Heaven and Earth) and thereafter the New Earth will come down from Heaven and God will dwell thereon with those Redeemed for eternity. - Revelation 21:1-2. Until then, while we live, we can only renew our mind as Apostle Paul states in Romans 12:2 > And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. The Kingdom of Heaven (on earth) is the millennium kingdom and reign promised to the patriarchs, prophets and Old Testament time Jewish believers. The Kingdom of God is when God is all in all (1 Corinthians 15:28-30) and the Son after He has fulfilled all things is subsumed into the Father.

Daniel says the Annointed One is cut off after the 69th week and I am pretty sure 70 comes after 69. So maybe it’s the last half of the week that has taken a near two thousand year break so far.

I'm sorry, David but that doesn't fit the text at all. God, through Daniel, interpreted the dream. You are trying to interpret the interpretation so it's no wonder you are confused. Read it again and let Daniel's words tell you the meaning of the dream. He counts the kingdoms. Literally. He counts: A kingdom (37-38), Another Kingdom (39), Another Third kingdom (39), and a Fourth kingdom (40-43). Then, "In the days of these kings" (44) God will establish His Kingdom. Matt 16: 18-19 Jesus tells us that the Church is the Kingdom they had been waiting for. If you are still waiting for this to happen, you missed the point of the entire Bible as both New and Old Testaments were designed to point us to Christ. John the Baptist preached the Kingdom is at hand. Jesus preached the Kingdom is at hand. Paul preached we are in the Kingdom right now (Col 1:13) The problem with a future Kingdom being established is that you have to rip Jesus off His throne to get there. Jesus sits on the throne of His Kingdom right now. Mark 9: 1 says that there are two thousand year old people running around if Jesus is not the King in His Kingdom right now.