2GGC: MKLeo Saga - Fox | MVG | MKLeo (Meta Knight) Vs. P1 | Tweek (Donkey Kong) - Winners Finals 

Yami Yo I like the way you out that.

Mr. Fry EXACTLY WHY DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS

Mr. Fry You know that ding dong % isn't always guaranteed? Sometimes you either have too much rage or the character you're up against is too light. That's why Tweek didn't jump up after some cargo throws, because he knew it wouldn't work if he jumped. Ding Dong isn't that braindead, knowing percents play a huge part. It's hardly guaranteed if you don't "know" DK. And MK's dash attack is pretty darn safe compared to grabs. It's honestly your fault if you're getting grabbed, while MK can just poke your shield and practically get away with it.

Mr. Fry I never said it was a balanced matchup.

Indeed this MU is clearly DK favour, and i can't believe how people think MK wins lol

you mean dkweakness

r/woosh

How times have changed

@@edwinvargas7969 yeah now Tweek is either two games ahead or one game behind

yes DK crew .. all people know it

This aged well

Boogit Snake was a heavy.

Boogit Yiu clearly didn't played Brawl because Snake and Dedede were threat.

ばーぐとーと your name it must be written in katakana...

Meta Kong v Donkey Knight

Me gusta este juego

Me gusta como persona* He didn't say that he loves him lmao

Me too. Feelsbadman

That's because you're blind

+Conway Zhou LOL it wouldn't even matter if Leo was in this set or Zero people would still be complaining about DK's grab to kill combo.

Conway Zhou tbh I'm glad Leo didn't break the curse imo he's the most boring player to watch he's not hype at all

These are competitors, your entertainment is the last of their priorities

+Jonathan Parnes tru

Toxic Lightning have you not seen MK vs Elegant?

This reminds me: We are out here complaining about no Smash for Switch, when Sakurai hasn't received a large-scale thank-you for the last 3 years of this game. This is literally the most balanced Smash game Nintendo has made, where you can see Link, Bowser, or DK in Winners Finals. And yet we haven't even had any sort of giveback to Nintendo. And then you wonder why Sakurai hates competitive. Just make a giant poster to celebrate the anniversary, it's not that hard...

reading 1 percent range off a spreadsheet = A TON OF KNOWLEDGE LOL

Brennan Frennan “One percent range”. Dude, you have to factor the blastzones of the stage and the amount of rage you have. Those two things take a lot of time to get down for each character

>Has some of the best frame data for a heavy >Has a true combo that kills early

Matthew Morrison >combo is only true for a specific percent window that is different for every character and gets smaller as he builds up rage >literally doesn't get to play the game against good zoners

starpix777 am I the only one who found this set not hype? Mk just fishes for dash attack and can get the kill, where dk fishes for a grab attack and can get a kill. It's super predictable and boring because both of these characters have such bs kill confirms.

But that's the reason why is hype. I don't get why people hate kill confirm so much. And yes is fun to watch those 2 characters fight because those 2 players are very aggressive and can close stock very fast.

Ryng Tolu I guess that's just personal preference. I find games where kills come so easily to be kind of boring to watch. I like the games where players have to be creative to get kills.

Ryng Tolu lol I saw you in chat

Ryng Tolu And yes, this set was boring as fuck, Leo should've won

sexy legs Bro.. People have been angry about ding dong kill confirm since it was patched in

Guy Lloyd only losers like you though

Guy Lloyd most characters have something to make them "jank" zss has rage kills, bayo has witch time, cloud limit, and so on. Just so happens that dk has ding dong.

ninjapie79 don't be that guy

Lets be real though, Name a character that aint bullshit thats worth playing. Pit? Its not even like DK is a bad or a low tier and people are mad that some low tier won, he's a solid in his own right and gets tons off the smallest openings. personally Id just rather the game have less characters that are just bad for arbitrary reasons. Like Ike or Zelda, could they have not given them an actual movement or air speed, and its even worst in Ikes case because we have Cloud who is basically Ike but with options and without excessive lag

still true huh.

The FungusFriend Mk kills at that percent also with a UpAir stream.

If you watch the whole set, you see how Leo dash attacked him at over 60% and he survived to his multiple up aerial and up B. Maybe he kills lights or normal characters, but characters like DK don't die at that percent unless there is rage, which is something which rarely happen in this MU considering Meta Knight die at 60%...

Diego Corral Which one is harder to land bro..

I've died at 30 something percent once as kirby to cargo throw It's absolute bs for lightweights

50% is only on light characters and if DK has ~100+ rage

DK max rage actually kill at 40% characters like Meta Knight. DK may have all problems he has, but he is still a ridiculus strong character.

Yeah, he messed up a bit. But DK has some pretty crippling weaknesses too, so it evens out.

He tried to often to land with an offensive tactic against a character who get so much out of grabs. More over I don't think Bowser or DK with those grab combos are broken or anything. It's a high risk high reward play. If you play good and patiently you can outplay DK so hard with some characters. I mean.... look at Salem vs. Hikaru in this tournament. Patience, stage control - easy game easy life. Leo could do this too, but he's to offensive sometimes - a little bit like Nairo, he has the same problem. Anyway I don't get why people think a heavy punish at around 60% (percent you will need without rage) from a heavy character to a light weight character is questionable, while a easy to land punish with a stupidly fast dash attack or a catch with an uair i little bit above the stage from a lightweight can kill a heavy character at around 70-75% (without rage too), is okay. I think Leo just got overexcited or something - he overdone it. So you get outplayed.

1) Salem VS Hikaru was not even close to be an easy victory. Watch it again, in a best of 3, they were at last game last stock, and Salem was in kill percent for the ding dong. If Hikaru only got one more grab, he would have won. 2) MKleo was too aggressive? Well, can i ask what even he is supposed to do with Meta Knight? He seriusly can only dash attack and dash grab, i watched the set more times, and is not like MKLeo wasn't pacient. DK outrange Meta Knight pretty massively, you can't camp with Meta Knight, in this MU the aggressive style is the best choise, you have to keep DK in the air or off stage and preassure him hard 3) Let's be serius. This is not the first time MKLeo lose to a DK. He lost at least 20 times only last season, is not a question of "overexcited", because he lost multiple times against a DK even in pools.

thelegendofkingdoify me too, he should've opted for a high risk, high reward situatiom imo

I'm sure he will do exactly that next time in this match up... Leo had many opportunities to take the set in the last 2 games

Dk is one of the heaviest characters in the game, and leo definitely knows the percents

SomedayGamin Not the point, he's still a human and can still make mistakes, such as missing a sweetspot, at some point in game 4 iirc he could have chose to suicide upb and if he got the sweetspot with the first hit the second one would have definitely killed, he just decided to play it safe and not risk throwing the game had he failed, it's not the first time he does this and it likely won't be the last, I'm just saying when you're playing against someone who can comeback an entire set from one single opportunity, and someone you're not comfortable playing at that, you need to keep some cold blood and bet it all

Efrén Olivarría english pls

ONLY VS DK CREW... TWEEK cloud is FREE FOR leo

"Only VS DK crew" no, even if you look at his set against Nairo Bowser you can see how he struggle a lot. At the very least, Leo won some games with Tweek DK even if not a set, but in this season, Nairo Bowser is 3-0 against MKleo in games

I'm guessing his fear of Tweek started when his DK blew him back at MSM.

T. S. Alekk ?? Have you watched their Cloud dittos?

I don’t think it’s that he’s broken, it’s just super annoying how it only takes 3 grabs to take a guaranteed stock

Late but he keeps landing on his shield for mixup. Tweek might drop shield early and metaknight will land the nair.

so what if I only play for glory BabyRage

Jaja simon

Elijah Medina dk is high toer lmao

If you wanna clap...

Que dice?

Every player gets grabbed at least 2 or 3 times a stock with any characters, but the reward isn't the same for DK.

Vinson Games sure everyone gets grabbed a time or two during the match, but the point is, DK players need to get the grabs at the right time, right percentage window I mean, to really net the ding dong. Yes it's a very good confirm, but I think the impetus is on all players to learn the matchup, as they say, and make the grabs hard to get. DK players know the rage, enemy percent, and stage data for the ding dong, if anybody is serious about smash, they would learn how it works too and just make sure that they give DK more rage, or take some percent damage or whatever to make the ding dong untrue.

And how many times Leo died from it? You're saying this as if it's hard to get that confirm.

DK gets combo'd so hard and has such a hard time getting back on stage that I can forgive ding dong. In fact, I think it's his saving grace from making him low tier.

That's the point, the reason why DK is considered high tier is only because of ding dong. If he didn't have it, he'll be bottom tier, all from just one confirm that gave him a jump on the tier list. Like I agree that DK deserves the ding dong for his disadvantage, but it's still jank if you look at it alone. And yes, he does need it, but that doesn't mean Ding Dong is balanced.

hes better in ultimate than smash4

They'll still say he's OP because grapplers destroy players who suck ass at playing neutral. :^)

Superpokemaster Its really annoying though

Jared Martin Yeah. Must be super frustrating to play against.

stop bitching on fucking dk

Yes he beat Cloud and Sheik. :)

Ryng Tolu touche, lol

yeah people in this comment section also want dk nerfed

boricua9071 dk is insane against shiek once gets in control lmao. one grab can pretty much guarantee 50%+ at 0 yeah im a filthy dk main

Zelda and Pacman too are pretty broken

Pichu is clearly the most broken character in smash 4

AlphaJNitro007 He was too broken that they didn't add him in the game.

Ryng Tolu how do u compare low tiers to a high tier

We are trolling there lol

It's a 50/50 on some characters (usually fast fallers, I think) after ding dong stops being true. If they try to jump away an immediate up air will kill them, and if they air dodge a delayed up air will kill them.

Max Hughes DONG

Probably doesn't like the matchup, or thinks Tweek likes it more than MK since Tweek comains Cloud. Leo has also lost to both Tweek and Konga using Cloud.

Ayk H He gets free stocks from MK

Jared Martin Really? Is MK just bad against grapplers?

Ayk H MK beats bowser and DK slightly but it's DK and Bowser all they have to do ia grab

Meta Knight : DK and Meta Knight : Bowser are both 60:40 in Bowser and DK favour. They can camp and space Meta Knight and punish him hard, while Meta Knight has an hard time to get in, all he has to hope is to get those characters off stage, but is harder than what people think lol.

Ryng Tolu Lmao 60:40? now I know you know nothing about this MU

yeah and MK is a lightweight so the ding dong its going to kill faster then it should

and DK its a heavyweight so the Up B from MK is going to kill slower

Luis Ocampo Its actually not that hard if you compare it to other fighting games. Plus the buffer window in smash 4 makes inputs a lot more easier.

It really isn't the timing is just weird

It's not the execution so much as the opportunity that is hard. Anybody familiar with the matchup knows the ding dong range as well as the DK main does, and will do well to limit the opportunities

Mr Saturn beat that yeti

Jonathan Parnes really?

"Si se puede!" - Cersar Chavez Hard Translation: (Yes, it can.) Soft Translation: (Yes it's possible.)