Hi. Great explanation of the differences here between engines and agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I bought a new Range Rover last March and had this dilemma to deal with. I wanted the V8 but ended up with V6 for one reason only that you did not include in your comparisons, that being insurance. Despite being 60 and having a clean licence and being fortunate to live in a low risk post code, the cost the insurance for me would have been nearly 40% more for a new V8 as opposed to the V6 and this was just too much extra costs for me to justify buying the V8. It does need to be factored into your buying process for either new or second hand purchases. Hope you agree👍
i’m 27, 9 points and 32 fault insurance claims, 13 being write offs of expensive range rovers, bmws, mercedes etc. (i know, terrible) However the 4.4sdv8 is cheaper for me to insure than the 3.0sdv6. i swear they just make it up as they go!
Good comparison. No matter which engine you have in your Range just service it regularly and when something on the car stop working or start making noises just check it, fix it/replace it and almost any Range Rover will go hundreds of thousands of miles/km. Only friends of friends talk about reliability. Every luxury car is the same in that regards.
As someone who has needed three engine rebuilds on a TDV6 in a RR Sport, I have a bit of experience! The TDV6 engine was designed for Peugeot, and specifically it was designed to fit in a narrow space. This has created vulnerabilities in the design with some metal thicknesses far smaller than would be usual. The crankshafts fail, normally at low revs whilst under load, typically towing or ours went on a hill. It has been said that the engine is not a great fit for the weight of a RR Sport to propel. thus in a full RR the engine is even less of a fair match. I would suggest that the V8 is the way to go in a full size RR.
I totally agree, im looking to get an L322 in the next few months in an older vintage 06-11 and i wouldnt touch the V6 with a bargepole given the horrors that I've seen recently on youtube. Has anyone watched LR time as Christian is rebuilding his friend's V6 including lineboring the block, refinishing two inner main bearing places as they heat distorted when the bearing shells spun. This all done in his home workshop! Brave man, and in my opinion a bloody good engineer
4.4 V8 diesel Range Rover! You might have just convinced me. Very well done covered basics, "Won't be around that long"; what a depressing country we are becoming.
Felix, you missed a very important difference between the V6 and the V8 Range Rovers and that is DSC/ACE!! Only the V8’s come with this feature which is basically Dynamic Stability Control when cornering. This system keeps the RR planted when cornering by sensing at 500 times per second what each wheel is doing so it can therefore apply braking or acceleration accordingly. Something double decker buses definitely do not have!! I have a 2013 Autobiography 4.4 SDV8 which I have had remapped to 400bhp, 820Nm of Torque and a 0-62 time of 5 secs. This takes away the hesitancy at junctions and roundabouts and, amazingly, better fuel consumption achieving 40mpg on a run 👍🏻😎
@@johannielsen221 You can get a tune best for diesels which not only increases engine power and performance,but also fuel economy too. Search some car tuning areas near you and they might be able to do that itll be called the economy pack of whatever.
I currently have the Range Rover L405 SDV8. It's one of the most beautiful vehicles on the road and is pure luxury. BUT... The vehicle was perfectly fine until we gave it to the dealership for its usual service. Shortly after getting it back Broken! Broken! Broken! The vehicle has been basically broken for 1 year and has had a number of issues. Lol even the parking brake malfunctioned and it took the specialist 3 hours to release the vehicle. We then gave it to another dealership and the vehicle was back to normal after a very detailed inspection and fix up, it even survived an offroading experience. The vehicle was then doing well until we decided to hit a quick road trip and then it broke down. Worst part of all is that the warranty just expired... When the vehicle broke down there was no message on the instrument cluster telling us the fault. There was just a heavy vibration throughout the vehicle. The dealership told us that it's engine issues. 185 000KM on the clock It's collecting dust in my garage Range Rovers/Land Rovers are beautiful vehicles but once it breaks you better be prepared for hell of s journey. Back to our now 3rd Toyota Prado 😁 Form Durban, South Africa
I'm considering a V 8 range rover but my head keeps telling me buy a Toyota landcruiser instead! I'm not used to poor reliability having had toyota and lexus for years.
Good summary. I have a 2014 SDV8. They are expensive to buy & run, but I still get 42mpg on motorways because the engine rev's really low at high-ish speeds. I've owned mine for 5 years & would hate to let it go. It's such a great car. Some people are being priced off the road & that's a real shame seeing as this is one of the greatest cars ever built (imo).
i bought a 3 year old v6 autobiography , now 8 years old, no mechanical problems only 100000km here in new zealand. at 75 it suits me fine, my only annoyance it has a cambelt which i have had to change. if I want extra performance drive my V12 XJS convertible.
I would say Do NOT extend warranty as I had an Autobiography worth £75K one year old so 2yr warranty left when a piece of rubber stuck up on the panoramic roof. I took to main dealer where I was told the whole panoramic roof had to be replaced. I said ok car is under warranty but was told that was not covered ? Even tho roof was an extra fitted by Land Rover when new ? I contacted ceo of Land Rover and was told it is up to each individual dealership so basically warranty is worthless. They wanted £2,500 to replace roof because of a piece of rubber liner ! So I sold the car ! Check what warranty actually covers before you buy 👍
Hi Felix, great video. Having had both the 3.0 and 4.4, the 4.4 wins for me hands down. Just one thing that I'd like to mention, the 4.4 V8 in the L405 is actually a derivative and therefore newer variant of the Ford Lion V6/V8 diesels, not older. We commonly know these Lion engines as the 2.7 TDV6 (used in the L319 Discovery 3, and pre-facelift L320 Range Rover Sport), 3.0 T/SDV6 (used in the L319 Discovery 4, facelift L320 Range Rover Sport, L494 Range Rover Sport and L405 Range Rover) and the 3.6 TDV8 (used in the pre and post facelift L320 Range Rover Sport and L322 Range Rover). For reference, please see here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_4.4_Turbo_Diesel It is not the same engine as the 4.4 litre AJ-V8 diesel engine used in the early L322 Range Rover, which I believe you are probably referencing when you said old design from 2004. Please keep up the great work on the videos and thank you.
Thank you for the insight Kevin! You are the Land Rover engine oracle for sure! I wasn't 100% sure of the history of that engine so I tried to be deliberately vague but you've cleared it all up - many thanks for watching.
Good vid, understand why you mentioned warranty’s especially if you don’t like getting your hands dirty. Personally I’ve done most of the services and lite maintenance on both l322s I’ve had and enjoyed it, also have a fantastic specialist around the corner for everything out of my capabilities. I’m currently looking at getting a sdv8 L405 to hopefully have for the long term.
good video and makes a good point- 3.0 diesel wont be as desirable /easy to sell vs SDV8 would like to see v8 petrol supercharged vs v8 diesel comparison.
I couldn’t care less about the 16mpg I get from my 5.0L Super Charged V8 Autobiography Dynamic. It puts a smile on my face every day without fail. I am so glad I didn’t go for the 4.4L!
Porsche Cayenne 4.2 TDI. Having driven both the 405 and the Porker back to back, the Porker takes it, such a dynamic car and has an even better sound as a V8 as its less muted than the LR.
Great video, you should have detailed the cam belt change cost for the V6….I currently drive a 2008 3.6 TDV8, 132k miles without a major issue….sadly I can’t enjoy the V8 sound due to the car’s double glazing! Planning to buy an L405 soon….thank you👍👍👍
I worked for land-rover v8 is far superior unit the v6 is plain shit the amount off engines I had to bits I lost count never buy a v6 it will bite you in the arse
Now that they don’t do the V6 and the V8 diesels anymore, but switched up to 6 cylinders D300 and D350 what do you think? Will they be reliable in a long time run?
The V6 is basic a V8 with the back 2 cylinders removed. The rear oil ways in the crankshaft feed 2 bearings instead one one each, because the rear two cylinders are missing, the other crank oil ways are fed with oil individually.
I just had a total engine failure on mine (2013, at 174000 km) but now with a brand new engine and tubos it is running perfectly. Btw, new Engine in Norway has the bargain price of 48k pounds, including turbos. But they got some kind of refund from LR, so I ended up paying 50% of 34K Pounds, since insurance covered half.
The Rangerover is like a troublesome but beautiful girlfriend you are in love with ...we know all the issues but its a must have,enjoy the moment when it lasts😂
I don’t think you can compare these really your either a diesel person or petrol, those who tow might say diesel, others like me would never drive a Smokey old diesel that sounds like a tractor and has van like throttle response. In a similar manner I would never buy any sporty type SUV because there is no such thing beyond a badge, to tall to heavy and slow, if I want that buy an RS6 as for costs, I don’t care.. it’s RR. ❤️❤️
Can you stop doing that old person thing were you keep putting your hand over the camera lens! It stops us seeing what you are filming. Watch the video before uploading, it helps correct mistakes and stops you falling in to really poor video production.
Owned Range Rovers since the P38 4.6 (my garage loved me), L322 4.4 (garage took my first born), L322 3.6 TDV8 (ok, I’m a slow learner), then a L405 4.4 SDV8..,which was the final straw. Yes I know first of versions can have gremlins but even I wasn’t prepared. That was a 2014 model brought new and in 2019 I gave up and went Touareg, and in 2021 I swapped that for a Touareg TDV8. I love my rangies and the feeling they give you when you hop in… it I hated the feeling they gave you when you opened your wallet. Touareg hasn’t got the regal feeling I must admit, but grunt, toys, grunt, reliability, grunt (get the idea) I can’t see myself going back. Rangies are like a naughty child…love them one minute, want to scold them the next, but love them all the same. I now look at it like my naughty child has left home and I got something that doesn’t okay mind games with me
Best to do it between 100,000 and 160,000km. Reduces stress on motor and gives you piece of mind. I am doing it on L320 at around 160,00km together with timing belt on 3.0
ZF recommend between 80-120k miles. No such thing as “maintenance free”. Did both mine and my mates L322 and what a difference, feels much smoother and like new again 👍🏻😎
Great video Felix and smashing shirt!! I loved my RR....I had a V6 AB and unfortunately the LR Warranty doesn't cover your for the Crankshaft issue. On the basis your car is serviced by LR, they will typically cover as this goodwill, although you may need to fight a little until they cover the cost 100%. Next one for me will be V8 AB, although I will wait for the new model to be launched next year and for 2nd prices to settle..
Great comment, thanks for watching! The V6 issue not being covered by warranty is pretty shocking to be honest, especially given it is such a widely known fault. Wise move waiting for the prices to settle, everything is incredibly expensive at the moment - it won't last!
You mean the warranty doesn't cover after the standard period? Surely it must do within that. The fact that they offered me 20% when the crankshaft went on my 5 year year old discovery sdv6 with 55k miles and FSH put me off JLR for life!
@@josephjohnston1894 The Extended warranty (at circa £1000 a year) doesn't cover the crankshaft issue as it's a 'known design fault' and it isn't actually a Landrover warranty, it's a 3rd party warranty, like 'Carwise' or something similar. Luckily when my 5 year old HSE Luxury went at 60,000 I was able to get Landrover to cover the whole £15,000 bill. Very lucky!
I had both v6 diesel l494 and l405 both 2014 it pretty good car i done the tune and egr deleted for engine life span purpose and we good to go!! Keep upate your video i enjoy it since im a rover fan
just pop up to tell you the truth>none of them are good!!! Those excellent SUVs are a nightmare...🤮yes yes...and in the future one might not be able to drive both of them-the car industry is going in the wrong direction-diesels will be banned 🤷♂
Historically, youtubers who are afraid and hesitant to express their opinions in their reviews do not succeed. I hope you can overcome the odds. Your videos are useful and well-thought. Thank you
"I'm an Englishman who has been driving Land Rovers products for over twenty years and can honestly say there is no place more comfortable to be.... ....whilst waiting for a tow truck!" 2 days ago
Infelizmente carros da land rover só presta os que são a gasolina ,porque os diesel estão dando muitos problemas e geralmente são muito caro as manutenções
@@OnurKartal why are the big end bearings one the crack shaft going on a lot of them nearby every one I know that has a Range Rover sport 3.0 stdv has had to fit a new engine
@@OnurKartal Today, my dad’s SDV6 just broke down on a highway. Before it happened, my dad was cruising at 200kmh and suddenly he heard some whining noise in the interior (it’s loud). Then, the car just started to decelerate and broke down. Now, the mechanic said that the engine can’t be saved. This cause my dad to change the new engine. So, which engine you think that is better to replace? The same SDV6 or SDV8?