Ive spent a lifetime hunting with a .308Win, .270 Win and most recently a 6.5 Creedmoor. I doubt seriously a person could examine the wound channel of a deer taken with one of these cartridges and be assured in guessing the cartridge which was used. In my opinion, these three cartridges all perform nearly identically on deer sized game. A poorly made shot will lose game even if you shoot a 300 mag.
So the guide can’t find deer shot with the 6.5cm but people in Europe have been killing moose with the 6.5x55 and they both have the same weight bullets running the same speed. Must be some big whitetail deer where he’s at. 🤷🏽♂️. Obviously I like the cm and if you are not killing whitetail with that you are not hitting em in the right spot with a good bullet. Compare that to the 50 grain 22-250 that you’re using. The cm is a way better choice than the 22-250. At least in my experience and yes I’ve used both. Use what you like they all work. I like them all. Happy hunting 🦌
I just bought my first rifle Browning AB3 Hunter in 270 went with that caliber off my uncle’s recommendation just got it haven’t shot it yet how’s the recoil on it?
Theses “old school “ rounds may not have the b/c or powder efficiency of newer offerings but they are “knock down” rounds, more than makes up for it. Outfitters and guides love it when they don’t have to track wounded game!😊
My experience with the 6.5 CM has been all positive. 143 ELDX bullets. We have taken 8 mule deer, pronghorn and 3 elk. ZERO issues. Know your limits and make good shots.
6.5 is just a great all around cartridge. I’ve basically replaced my .308 stuff with 6.5cm as it seems to do the same thing just a little better in most categories
@@CiviTacnot that either is my very favorite, but I have owned and hunted with the 308 and 6.5 creedmoor. I no longer have the creedmoor, I do still have 308.
More power and at worst, only 2/10th of an inch off 6.5cm at 200 to 300 yards. The velocity overcomes the 6.5cm boat tail drag advantage at any normal hunting distance.
If you already have a 270 I agree. 6.5 is super pointless.. I like the fact you can stretch a 270 out for Antelope or use it for Elk. Really if you have anything already in that range, 6.5 is just not needed. I love my .270 remington 700. It's plenty capable of taking medium game at 400-500 yards and elk at 350 yards and in. I hardly ever use my .270 because I hunt short ranges.
Would be interesting if you also review the .264 Win Mag, which has been around since 1958 and performs the same as the 6.5 PRC; probably better when handloaded due to a larger case capacity.
It's not the case size it is the case efficiency, twist rate, new powders, and tight champer. All stuff we learned in Afghanistan. For instance Military now uses 5.56 in a 70gr bullet with a 1:7 twist barrel. Also the new ogive designs allows the bullet to grab the grooves sooner. All thanks to Military Developments.
It’s an awesome caliber for deer. Especially if you hunt a nice mix of woods and edges/fields/swamps and if you are interested in keeping recoil comfortable.
@@stoli-9574 would definitely recommend one it’s by far my favorite cartridge for deer and elk (within proper range) I’ve had my Remington 788 in 7mm 008 for 10 years and my dad had it since the late 80s and the ole killer still gives us groups the size of my thumb
6.5x55SE killed more Moose and every other Game Animal in Sweden Norway and Finnland then every other Cartridge in the last 129 Years / it is equal in Performance then 6.5 Creedmoor with European Factory Ammo and you get a little bit more Juice out of it if you load it for an newer Rifle with with good Brass you can easiliy load it for a little bit more pressure then from Factory
My Creedmoor is half the recoil and drops them hard at a 1/3 of the price of the others. It's the bullets. Hornady rounds shatter. We've lost 2 deer. As soon as we went lead soft point. No problem. Thks WTW
I agree.They put down the 260 rem because it was too hot so now they want to better the creedmoor by going hotter with the PRC.Makes no sense.The creedmoor makes no sense.If you want a lighter loaded 264 don’t make 10 more cartridges smaller just down load the ones available.It’s all sales gimmick.
@@fredrickwaldon1579the 6.5cr does make sense. it was developed as a 1000yd target round. a higher twist rate stabilizes a long bullet reducing wind drift, the variable hardest to compensate in long range. that along with low recoil makes an accurate 1000yd target round. what doesn't make sense is to make 6.5cr a go to deer cartridge. the 6.5cr could be a target gun that the wife and kids also shoot and someone could hunt with it as a multi-purpose rifle...what makes no sense is to argue about it when hopefully it's nobody's only gun
@@fredrickwaldon1579 you really can’t download the 264 safely , remember the powder used must fill the case to at least 80% or greater to be safe, I’ll have to do research to find a slow burning powder? But what’s the reaso to slow down any cartridge ? Change caliber if recoil is a issue
Got my son a Ruger American All Weather stainless steel rifle with a 22 inch barrel in 7mm-08. Got a Bell & Carlson aftermarket stock with an aluminum trigger guard upgrade that came with it. I got a Leopold 2-7 power scope to put on it. He absolutely loves it.
. 270, .243, 6.5 cm, .300 win mag.... the list goes on. You know the absolute best round, all of them. Not one I have that I want to give up, and several I'd still like to acquire.
I actually got two deer this past year with my AR Grendel using Hornady Black ELD-M target ammo. Mean stuff. Also downed a Coyote while deer hunting with the same.
I just built a 20" grendel up just because I had a bunch of lowers to build out. Pretty nice shooter. Not sure if I'll ever hunt with it because this caliber is way low on what I have available to me caliber wise.
@@markthornhill519 what state do you hunt and can you get more than one deer tag a year? I live in Oregon and it's not impossible to be able to get two tags for deer in one year but it hardly ever happens.
I prefer the 7mm08. I've had numerous people say, "the 6.5 has a flatter trajectory, the 7mm08 is a lot more expensive etc" but for me what I hunt and the fact that I don't practice with my 7mm08, it's far superior to the 6.5 . It has better penetration, is capable for all the distances I've ever killed game (including elk) and my Weatherby will put 5 shots within. 0.5 inches every single time I test it out before a hunt. I used to shoot a 30- 06 but my Weatherby is lighter with less recoil, Win win. Just my experience , they've been dropping quicker with the 7mm08 too...better bullet selection, better placement??? I don't know, just the way it's turned out for me.
I have two 6.5 CM. Tack drivers with a Norma 143 Bonded Tip. Would not hesitate taking them deer hunting. I think a lot of issues people are having with the 6.5 is bullet selection. However, as you mentioned, 7mm-08 is becoming my go to. Even having a custom rifle built in that caliber. It is the do-everything cartridge in my opinion (within acceptable ranges).
The 7mm-08 is certainly not “far superior” to the 6.5 at anything. That’s an exaggeration, without a doubt. And the fact that you don’t practice with the 7-08 and it’s your go to hunting rig seems unwise. I’d switch to the 6.5 if I were you.
@@phild9813 Considering your oblivious to the penetration differences and apparently cannot make drop/wind calculations with anything other than the one round you like, I'll take your 2 cents for what it's worth.
The problem is not the Creedmoor the problem is the shooter when something is very popular and people are first getting into it that is what they gravitate towards so a lot of inexperienced people are going out using it thinking it’s a laser beam not really knowing what to do causing a lot of problems personally I don’t own a Creedmoor but I would also say there’s nothing wrong with the cartridge itself
I picked it as my first bolt action due to its popularity because it meant the ammo would be easier to find and I wanted to be able to practice with it since I’m a new shooter. It’s been a solid choice so far, though I haven’t been hunting with it yet. Plenty more practice before that, I don’t want to be one of those guys losing deer because I’m not good enough with my rifle.
@@michaeldavis8065 awesome well I hope you get the chance to go hunting and you have the right mindset I have been shooting for quite a few years and I just started hunting this year I’ve been out a few times but only found thousands of mosquitoes no animals yet lol. (I live in Florida) the creedmoor is a good rifle, I hope yours shoots well
Yeah, when he said the guides hated it, made me think the guides don't actually think much about what the problem is. I bet if the .30-06 was the hotness and they were taking out a bunch of inexperienced shooters carrying .30-06 rifles, they would say the same thing. It's a pretty common theme in hunting magazines etc. Someone goes into a deer camp with a new cartridge and they guys there tell them that anything less than a 300 Win Mag isn't enough for deer hunting. I also wonder if these supposed guides are just not that good at tracking. Have they ever tracked a deer shot with bow and arrow? The 6.5 Swede has been used for decades to kill moose, the 6.5 Creed is it's ballistic twin. Put a hole in a deer's lung and you should be able to track it.
My biggest beef with the 6.5CM is how so many think it will automatically turn on God Mode for them and even make them a sandwich while they're waiting for the deer to magically go in their freezer. I keep seeing videos and reading articles about how it's so much superior to every other round ever created, or will be created in the near or distant future. Personally, I love my .308 Winchester rifle. It will consistently place 5 rounds of 150gr Core-Lokt seeds into a half inch group at 100 yards, as long as I'm on top of my game. Ammo availability makes for a lot more practice time for me. On the subject of the 6.5CM and so many lost deer, you never seem to hear about everyone losing deer to the 6.5x55, even when they use the old n' slow roundnose loads. Same with so many other rounds. You said it yourself; the 6.5CM is a fad cartridge. And I'm willing to bet boxes of Remington ammo stacked *THIS HIGH* that 99.9% of those jumping on the fad-wagon never practice with their rifles, which would lead to Stormtrooper levels of sloppy shooting. If you were to show up with a 6.5CM, none of those guides would worry one bit, because they know you have practiced extensively with your rifle, and that you will place your shot with 100% accuracy to harvest the animal clean and quick.
Agree most of these shooters are probably not practicing with their Creeds. I've hunted with the 6.5 cm for the last 5 or 6 years and I've loved it. It's the do everything pretty well rifle. I've used 243, 7mag and the 6.5 CM and will continue to go CM for deer. Now if I go for elk or bigger game then I'm probably going 7mag. It's a great round if you understand its capabilities.
I bought 6.5 creedmoor because of damaged shoulder. Discovered I could shoot a lot more without shoulder pain so I spent more time practicing. 22 deer killed and 1 lost. People try to tell me I lost a deer because it was 6.5. Yet they will let slip they have lost deer shooting 7mm mag, 308 and even 300 win mag. Placement is crucial. More practice lets me shoot better and test my equipment. Just added a 7mm-08 in the ruger as well. Muzzle brake makes it comfortable to shoot a lot and practice as well. Don't feel under gunned with either one.
I like what you said about having a smaller cartridge and being accurate with it than a larger one. I’ve seen so many people with the bigger cartridges that can’t shoot them well because they’re scared of the recoil so they refuse to practice with them. I much prefer someone get a moderate cartridge that doesn’t hurt to shoot, so that they will practice with it and become proficient with it and know without a doubt that they can put the bullet where it matters every time they squeeze the trigger.
Wise words to live by. My fellow elder hunters only use 30-06 and laugh at me...but my father in law had a run away two years ago and my .350legend ar15 with good bullet and placement dropped a buck at 100yards where it stood. Made him a believer. Now we go practice shooting all year to make sure we know our guns quirks and limits. For a clean ethical kill. Nothing worse is to leave an animal wounded. Hunters are caring and ethical.
Found 338 w closet gun justlike u'r talking about. I load it to cover deer . have bigger stuff 2. Shot 3 groups of 2 shots each. Walk the 200yds out each shot ( exercise) i fired 6th shot by i figured out i wasn't missing 4 foot target 3 times darn thing WAS holeing all 6.??? Ya its a good one no couldn't do that again
I bought my 7mm/08 for 4 reasons. One it was lighter, two it was softer recoiling, three a removable magazine, four was synthetic so it can take the wear of use. this was over an old school remington 700. The magazine was a big one since unloading my 270 required me cycle the bolt and i didnt like the safety issues it might bring up.
308 and 30-06 have always got the job done. I still have not found a reason for the 6.5 creedmoor. What I have noticed id guys LOVE to say creedmoor like as if its Gods gift to the rifle community.
I like my 6.5 for long distance steel shooting. It’s way better for the money and recoil than any other long range target round I’ve used. Not that there’s not other stuff out there but it’s super easy to use and I can have it in a lightweight rifle which is really nice
6.5CM with a good hunting projectile is maybe the perfect whitetail cartridge. Boobs taking target rounds hunting is the biggest problem I have dealt with. Good bullet in a good spot is critical with any caliber.
I agree that one should use hunting bullets for hunting - but Ultimate Reloader as well as BackfireTV have both got great videos showing that the Hornady ELD-M is actually a very good bullet. I have also used it for hunting and took over 15 Gemsbok with it in my .308, ranging from 50m out to 300m. About as many Warthogs as well. No issues. But I would still not recommend it, since hunting bullets have a Guaranteed performance, since they are specifically designed to expand in specific way and retain a specific amount of weight. Match bullets don't have that.. they do expand and retain weight like any other cup and core bullet would, but there is no guarantee for how much or how little.
There isn’t a current cartridge on the shelf that can’t perform the same as these new cartridges. Everyone is just reinventing the wheel. Nice see new inventions but sometimes you just have to stick with what you’ve got!
I'll always be more impressed with someone that has drop kills than someone that has the newest thing. My Grandfather was an avid hunter with a 30-06 WW1 Springfield. (Mauser bolt action for those not aware). My mother grew up eating venison, he didn't brag about his groupings at a range. Not sure he spent anytime at a gun range after WW1 to be fair, he was just feeding his kids, and later his grandkids. He spent more time gardening and fishing than he did hunting, but even in the 1980's there was always plenty of meat in the freezer at Grandpa's house.
6.5 PRC interests me but I don’t shoot anymore due to health issues. Partial paralysis sucks mostly because my body doesn’t regulate temperature anymore. Hot or cold and things don’t work well. That said, 243 Win and 270 Win , while definitely Fudd cartridges, kept me entertained for years. My favorite though was a 168 gr 30-06. In my old Savage rifle, it was a very very sweet shooter!
@nasedo I’m new to hunting so I didn’t know anything about a bolt on one until I just seen this I was thinking about trying to get mine threaded but how well does the bolt on one work and do you mind me asking how much it was?
I have taken a few deer with 6.5 Grendel with Hornady SST. No issues deer didn’t know what happened all dropped. Out of a Howa bolt action. SST rounds work very well.
I also use a 6.5 Grendel for Whitetail in an AR with a 20” Barrel. Got 2 so far. I use an AR ever since my stroke and losing the use of my right arm and hand. One dropped in its tracks, and the 2nd one only went 35 yards then piled up. Both were over 100 yards away.
No issue here using the 6.5 CM ! I have taken 4 one shot kills on deer the past several years using Hornady ELD-X 143 gr. The farthest one ran was maybe 40-50 yds . Ranges varied from 25-160 yds. Not my favorite cartridge, but does the job. My go to cartridges are still the old stand byes, (30-06, 308, and 270). Thanks for the info !!!
Yeah I agree, it’s worked well for us. It’s laughable that people are blaming lost deer on a cartridge, 6.5 creedmoor or otherwise. All cartridges are what they are, just cases to hold propellant. The bullets do the work. If these are guides, they should be quizzing their hunters on bullets they’re using and making them shoot paper before they hunt to confirm ability.
@@phild9813the Hunter who cannot shoot a 6.5CM accurately is going to be less accurate with any of the "bigger" cartridges. The "extra " power of the 6.5+ rounds won't make it more likely the same Hunter gets a clean kill. Indeed, I the the Hunter will be less likely to kill the deer cleanly.
I agree I've only used my 6.5 creedmoor once but one shot one deer works just as well as my 06 but way less recoil and weight to travel around the woods. Accuracy counts.
One of the many good things about the 6.5 Creedmore is that it fits the standard 308 size action both in bolt guns and in AR-10. I have had many one shot kills with my Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmore and only one buck that went less than 20 yards. My daughter has also taken several with the same gun and she has actually taken even more deer with the 6.5 Grendel. I will always use my 30-06 and 25-06 but I do enjoy and have had no issues taking whitetail deer with the 6.5 Creedmore. Also I like to shoot ALOT and the PRC and the Weatherby cost a lot more, especially in factory ammo. Thanks for the great video
With a 22” barrel the 6.5 creedmoor is terminal out to 200 yards with a 140 grain class bullet like the 143 eldx. Great for in the woods and short range. My range that I shoot on average is 400 yards. I use the 6.5 prc. At 400 yards it kills deer dead in its tracks. Velocity wise the 143 eldx out of 6.5 creedmoor in 22” barrel is 2530. Where the 6.5 prc out of a 26” barrel is average 2990 fps with the 143 eldx. I load my own ammunition and chrono my loads. Generally the velocity the factory gives is way off. You need to chrono the loads your shooting.
When you look at the 6.5-06 it’s very comparable to the 6.5 prc. Honestly when you look at 30-06 derivatives there amazing. I agree though shot placement is king.
My vote goes to my Browning A bolt chambered in 280 rem. Loaded with 140 grainers. I’m going to try some of those Remington core-lokt tipped bullets on a Wyoming antelope hunt in September. It’s hard to leave my 6.5CM Browning X bolt Predator Hunter home when it shoots sub minute groups at 350 yds. with 130 grain Swift Sciroccos. Aw heck, I’ll take ‘em both.
Took my first deer with a Ruger 280 single shot at 360 yards with a 3x9 when I was 14… yes i spined her and had to put her down when we got to her, but my Dad thought I missed cuz we kept walking and looking back at the stand and my Dad said ,”no way you hit something this far, and started walking back to the truck. I found her 100 yrds later and had to yell at him to come see. Love that 280
Are those soft point bullets? If so I hated the soft points, always put the animal down, not necessarily immediately and they tended to waste a lot of meat. I switched to Hornady GMXs and they've been great. Some kind of hollow point or bonded bullet is my suggestion. Something designed to open up but not break apart. Just my two cents.
My Browning A-Bolt 280 would be my last gun that I'd ever get rid of. My reloads have accounted for a train load of game. 140 gr. Nosler Accubond at 2950 fps, never recovered a bullet from 50-419 yards.
Hello, sorry if my English sounds a bit strange, I only speak German and Italian, but there is a Google translator! I've been following your channel for years. You make very good videos! Only with this video I'm not completely satisfied! I have a ruger american predator in 6.5 creedmoor and two Voere in 6.5x68 that I mainly hunt with. Let's get to 6.5 creedmoor. It is basically nothing more than the American version of the 6.5x55 or 6.5x57. Both calibers are successfully used in Europe for roe deer and elk hunting, especially in Sweden! Only the 6.5 Creedmoor is stronger. Usually the error is behind the rifle and not on the rifle or the caliber!
Well, I have a 6.5 Creedmoor...love it for accuracy but I've never hunted with it (which I'm glad about, because I wear my hair like you do and a man bun is a long ways off!) But you nailed the important part--it's a lot more a matter of where you put the bullet than what bullet you put there. Keep 'em coming, WTW!
I’ve used a 6.5 creedmoor to shoot 5 deer and 4 bears now with a 143gr eldx at ranges from 40-325yds Every animal has either dropped in its tracks or not made it over 25 yds. Most were full pass throughs except for a couple hard quartering shots. I even got a full pass through on a large mule deer buck through both shoulder bones at 200yds. Dropped in its tracks. Not sure why everybody has so many problems with it
I've noticed lot of people getting 6.5 , hear how it's easy to shoot to distance, but never practice at distance. Have talked to people who have said they'd never shoot their 270 or 308 at 300 yards at deer but immediately start shooting at deer with a 6.5 for some reason at 300-400. Lots will admit they never have practiced beyond 100, and that's just to confirm their rifle is still on from last year.
Having the luxury of a few decades of time and experience, let me add a bit of perspective. Not much, if anything, that the Creed will do, that the .260 Remington won't do with the same parent case, and a couple of REAL old Mossbacks that the Europeans introduced, the 6.5x55 Swede and 6.5x57 Mauser, as well as the Mannlicher-Schonauer, and others that have all proven deadly on a lot more game, and on more continents. Now, to the other two rounds... I'll just say 6.5-06, and .264 Winchester Mag. Check the load data, and pay attention to barrel length! The original .264s had 26" tunes, not 24 and certainly not 22 like some data I've seen. So at 70 years old, what do I reach for? Used to be .308. The. 308 and 270. But the last 35 years or so, I started packing a nice little .257 Roberts on a VZ33 Mauser, 24 inch lightweight and a slim little piece of English walnut, and shoot anything I want to carry with a 120 gr Hornady HP.
I was one of those 6.5 CM haters then I was lucky enough to win a PRS style rifle chambered in 6.5 CM. It's too heavy to hunt with but at the range it is incredibly fun to shoot. We have a big old 3/4 size steel buffalo at a 1 kilometre (1093 yards) at the local range. Pretty nice to ping a few rounds of that piece of steel. Groups at 100 and 200 are extraordinary. Don't think I would hunt with the 6.5 CM but for training and practice it is hard to beat.
I have 2 x 30-06 rifles, a 270 Win and a 6.5 PRC. Looking to get into target shooting much more than in the past using the PRC. Prior was pretty much just a hunting shooter. I might sell the 270 if i like the PRC enough. The 2 x 30-06's are more than sufficient for anything elae i might want to do.
The late great Jack O'Connor sold me on the .270 Win 50 years ago. I've had my Remington Model 700 since 1974 (hoping some day to do some elk hunting - never happened). I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between the .25-06 and the 6.5 Creedmoor.
Seen a few deer killed by a 6.5 creed . It does as good as any of my more traditional deer guns 2506 270 308 3006 etc. If they are loosing deer they are piss poor shots or shooting piss poor ammo not made for hunting. The guides need make people shoot at the range and limit shots to their skill that may be only 75 yards for many. Accuracy for shot placement with a well constructed bullet are the important aspect.
My Remington 7600 270 is zeroed at 200 yards, and I have the 7600 chambered in 30.06 zeroed at 100 yards. I carry my 270 when hunting in open country where a longer shot may be a viable scenario to take a critter.
I am certainly not a 6.5CM fan , however, I've taken some some very large whitetails as well as some very large mule deer with my .243 win , my .260 rem and have never lost one. A good bullet through the lungs at reasonable ranges will kill ANY animal. Are there better calibers...maybe. If you do your job as a hunter and use the proper bullet for the job...put the bullet in the boiler room...you will have meat on the table.
I always used a 270 for deer, and Daddy used his 30-06. He switched to a 243 years ago and it's plenty to take a deer. I wanted a shorter action lighter recoil for deer hunting and was going to get a 243 until the 6.5 Creedmoor came out. I though cool. I can use this for everything I'd hunt including elk out to what I consider ethical hunting distances with the right bullet. Copper bullets are the way to go. You can take an elk with a bow. The key is shot placement and through and through to drop their blood pressure quickly. A copper bullet in a 6.5 will easily do that. Anyway, people hate change. No wonder the Creedmoor gets no love. Anyway, there are a lot of hunters who lose deer because they are not skilled at stalking and shooting. :)
Adam, I’m in the exact same scenario as you. I have a 6.5 and put up about the same groups so it seems appealing to bring deer hunting but I just don’t. Exact same feeling that you have I guess. I just keeping bringing my traditional deer cartridges in my favorite rifles. It makes me wonder why I keep the 6.5….. But it’s fun to shoot at the range :)
You're comparing apples to oranges. The Creedmoor was designed for a short action, which can be chambered for the AR-308. I'm not a 6.5 Creedmoor fanboy. I went with the .308 in my LR-308. I don't even own a Creedmoor. But IMO, your comparisons are ridiculous.
I’ve had mixed results when hunting with 6.5 Creedmoor. I had a few flop over, lay there for 1-2 minutes then get up and run off. Vital shots are where I’ve had trouble. High shoulder/spine drops them in their tracks. I’ve used ELD-X, Hornady white tail hunter and Federal Trophy. I’ve since gone back to 30-06 mostly and haven’t had to do any tracking. This year I’m trying 6.5 prc and 300 WSM. My perspective is that 6.5 Creedmoor can get the job done, but other rounds are make deer more deader.
Don't use 6.5 creedmore for hunting you said it. It wast made for target shooting and is great for that. You need the bullets to anything other than fly straight punch paper or ring steel. There are two reasons it is the koolaid that all of the Glock warring man bun using hipster.The misinformation on 6.5 creedmore is massive what they don't tell is that the velocities that those bullets are striking at are too low for bullets to work as they are designed with is between1800-2300fps . Factory loaded ammo .260 Remington, 6.5 PRC, 6.5 Weatherby RPM, 26 Nosler and last the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. If you handload 6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser, 6.5 Remington Magnum and last the .264 Winchester Magnum all of them are better than the 6.5 creedmore just not that popular and that's a darn shame cuz they're all better.
I agree shot placement is key. My favorite go to caliber is 7mm-08 as several have mentioned already. We shoot deer and hogs and it just hammers them with 140 grain Winchester ballistic silvertip. All my kids and numerous kids in our community have taken their first deer with my rifle. I did not jump on the 6.5cm because the ballistics were so similar to 7mm-08. I held out for the 6.5 prc and have taken several deer with it and love it. Thanks for the review. God bless, Joshua.
Today with cans on rifles I want a 20’ barrel not to carry around a musket. Terminal ballistics of 6.5 CM out of a shorter barrel are just not something I am comfortable with for use on larger game
Grew up hunting farmland in northern Michigan. One buck tag and however many farm doe permits my grandfather had left when we made it up there. If I was on the open fields I went with the .300 win mag. Always one shot and the only time I had to go very far from where it was shot was because the deer fell toward the downside of the trail and rolled to the bottom of the ravine. My dad found a .264 win mag at a pawn shop. Part of a three gun set of Winchester model 70's (looked like from one owner). Wish he had bought the other two, but water under the bridge. Lower Michigan you could not hunt with centerfire at that time, so my go to was a Winchester 1300 with rifled barrel. Open sights out of the box shot a 3 shot group under 1 1/2". But my eyesight was better back then. I also had more time to go to the range back then. Shot placement is definitely the key. Everyone we had to help track their deer didn't practice and took shots they were ill equiped to make. Don't take a shot you have not practiced! Thanks for these videos Who Tee Who. Congrats on your results in the Rockchuck competition. Are we going to see more videos using Canick pistols?
I honestly think the 6.5cm is a fine cartridge for deer. I believe there are two major things that give it a bad rap. The first being bullet choice. I would guess that many of the lost deer where simply shot with target bullets. The second reason is the darn 6.5 cm fan boys. I’ve seen more young guys at the range with the Ruger American rifle in a Boyd’s stock topped off with a Vortex crossfire scope than I can count. Not that that’s a bad setup but dang.
At some point you have to question why certain channels are pushing so hard to turn people away from the 6.5 CM? I mean, it's almost become a joke now! I guess people should ask why the 6.5 CM became so popular and why those who actually own it, love it?
I absolutely disagree. The 6.5 bullet has been around a long time. And taken a lot of game. Go back to the sweed. I guided many years. We lost most deer to the 270 and 7mm mag. I personally lost my biggest deer to a 270. I'm sorry guys,, but people need to get over themselves and give the 6.5 bullet credit. Do your homework. Don't rely on just what you hear
Great information Adam. I'm not a fan of the 6.5 CM. I had one bad experience with it. I have a true Boogie boo lot slinger in a 26 Nosler. Then there's the 6.5 x,55 Swedish Mauser and the 6.5 Grendel . I think I have the 6.5 's covered lol
If you're using 6.5 Grendel and 6.5x55 Swede without issue - then I'll be honest, it sounds like you made a mistake and not the name on the cartridge being the issue... A friend of mine took an 1800lbs+ Eland Bull with his 6.5 Creed earlier this year and it took a couple steps before stumbling and falling over - juat what one would expect a .300 Win Mag to do...
I carry a Glock19 everyday, its the best most reliable handgun I own. I also use a 30-06 for hunting. I damn sure dont have a man bun. Dont be Glock hating, its the best firearm made. If ya hate on Glock again I'll unsubscrib from your channel. Great video
Great job and well done review! Hey I’m old and have killed deer with my 30’06 in all three bullet weights (150,165 & 180)! My son has made several one shot kills with his .270 that Jack O’Conner made it the Rock Star cartridge for all Baby Boomers. Heck I’ve killed deer with both my .270 & .300 Weatherby so I really don’t need any 6.5’s. And I can hand load any of these cartridges up or down in terms of velocity and recoil reduction if I choose. I think the 7mm:08 should be the deer killer of choice but sadly I don’t own one.
The 6.5 Creedmoor was designed to replicate the performance of the .260 Remington and the good old 6.5x55 Swede while at the same time being able to be loaded in an AR-10 magazine with 140 grain High BC bullets. It does that very well. As far as performance, there have been cartridges that can out perform it for years. The 6.5x284 was the 6.5 PRC before it was.
I mean, really the 6.5 Creedmoor was just an experiment by some guys at Hornady, necking up and down their .30 Thompson Center to see what works, until guys in competition realised how good the "6.5-30 TC" really is. They weren't really thinking about the .260 Remington - there's a very good podcast by Hornady about the creation of the Creedmoor. It's a shame the .284 Win case isn't more popular - the .284 Win Improved (.284 Shehane) was just about the most popular cartridge in top tier 1000yds F-Class until they started necking up the 6.5 PRC to make the 7 PRCW. I atill think the .284 Win is one of the most balanced cartridges in terms of power, recoil and Long Range performance.
@@Red-vn4xq The .260 Remington is a fine hunting round. The 6.5-08 (Wildcat predecessor of .260 Remington) had a few issues as a long range target round. The 6.5 CM was a more tailored round optimized for that use. Unfortunately the .260 Rem will likely get superceded by the 6.5 CM as a hunting round in much the same way the 6mm Remington lost out to the .243 Winchester despite being a better medium game round.
Wild hogs are tougher than deer. I have killed several hogs with the 6.5 Creedmoor. If I can kill wild hogs with the 6.5 Creedmoor, then there should be no problem killing deer with a 6.5 Creedmoor.
6.5 Creedmoor is becoming a fad. Most of the people I know are switching back to your traditional hunting rifles (308,270,300, etc..). Shot placement and distance are key. However, those two don't always come eye-to-eye and wounded animals go missing. The 6.5 don't have enough knocking power to compensate for a slight error in a hunter's shot when a kill is attempted. These rifle belong at the range not in the hunting field.
For me the 6.5 CM is the .380 ACP of the (ethical)hunting rifle world. Unless your physique really doesn’t allow you to shoot something more powerful, get a 3000 ft-lb cartridge like the 30-06. And if somebody flinches on a 30-06, that’s not genetics, just work it off.
@@stanleysanders9099 with a really good bullet and good shot placement a 222 Remington is enough. But life isn’t perfect, and ethical hunting means to kill as quickly as possible. So you should pick the most effective bullet cartridge rifle combo you can shoot competently.
I think one of the better positive’s regarding the Creedmoor is it’s lack of recoil, a shooter is more likely to spend time practicing when he/she isn’t getting the crap pounded out of them and that should transfer over to being better at shot placement, both the PRC, and the Weatherby have more recoil, especially the Weatherby and that would definitely scare away some shooters. I’m always a 270 fan, and I would definitely say that it’s my go to caliber for hunting in my neck of the woods. You missed another 6.5 ish in your evaluation, the 26 Nosler , it’s ballistics fall somewhere in between the PRCs and the Weatherby I think and it’s definitely got more felt recoil then the Creedmoor.
I agree with most of what your saying. I feel like the 6.5cm is a little light for deer. My son hunts deer with one but he was only 8 last year he did go 3 for 3 with it luckily. I want to move him on up to the 308 but feel like hes a touch small yet so we will probably continue with the cm this season. However... My predator hunting rifle is a 6.5cm in a ar-10 configuration. It works wonders on coyotes and is flatter shooting than the 308s. We commonly take 300yd shots with ease with thermals at night. My hunting buddy uses a ar10 243 and I'm here to tell ya that thing is a laser beam and kinda wish Id went with that caliber. But if yall remember 243 ammo was incredibly hard to find a year ago so I settled. Id like to see a video comparing all short action ar style chamberings vs each other. Ya know like 6.5 grendal vs 6.5cm vs 223 vs 350 legend vs 308 ect. We all know bolt guns in long action are going to mop the floor with these ar cartridges. Thanks for all your hard work you do in these vids for us!
6.5 creed is still best. It shoots with mild recoil, shoot modern BC bullet, perfect mid size game cartridge, acceptable barrel life. Affordable components, large database of hand loading information, second to 308. Large available rifle selection. If you must shoot mfg ammo you have good selection as well and not too expensive. What is there to hate on?
I watch your channel religiously. Could it be that the lost deer are related to shot placement? I am requesting that you go on a hunt with the 6.5 Creedmoor and properly place the shot. Looking forward to your results.
@@deandepew7455 I can’t agree more with you. My go to caliber for the last 20+ years. It’s very hard to find new guns or ammunition. So if you want one, you may have to settle for a 6.5 Creedmoor. Same bullet, same velocity, more available.
Up here in the PNW, I've had my eye on an M77 22-250 mannlicher carbine. Short, light, fast, but gotta have .24 caliber minimum for deer, sadly. 6.5 cm is not a hunting round. It answers questions hunters never asked. Thanks WTH!
Leave the creed at home for hunting, yes its accurate but it dont have the shock factor, many Red deer stags in Scotland have stood after being shot but dont see this with 270, that PRC is enough for any deer and i like my 6.5x284 which runs at 3050 but would consider the PRC after this bbl
@@rgthomson1 Do you know that the sectional density of the 140 grain 6.5 bullet exceeds the 130 grain 277 caliber bullet. Meaning the 6.5 will out penetrate the .270. In fact, if you use the 165 grain European ammo makers like Norma for the 6.5 caliber, it would be a better choice than the 270 period.
