Was not aware Tobey Maguire was considered to play Mickey.. That's quite interesting since Mickey is one of my favourite characters, although I think Timothy played the role brilliantly
To be honest, I knew the vast majority, I knew about Kevin's script, and when I was a kid I already had a Ghostface doll in white clothes, but I had never read about most of the curiosities, nor did I try to know, for I liked the video because I got the full information.
My favorite line from Scream 1 was during Tatum’s death when she said “please don’t kill me Mr.Ghostface I want to be in the sequel.” It’s hilarious and cements her demise
Gotta say to the point “The Killer is on the Poster” doesn’t mean it’s Someone of the cast because we literally see Ghostface in their costume. Meaning it could also be someone completely else.
my money is on officer Judy because i thought she was gonna be the killer in scream 4 and she was getting alot of disrespect while trying to do her job and Gale even told Judy that her "lemon squares taste like ass" to her face. Shes in this movie, shes on the poster and the smallest on the poster and some what hidden. Ive also always dreamed of Dewey being the killer because hes been disrespected as the dumb cop since scream 1 and hes been harmed during all these cases and i could understand he might want sydney dead so he never has to worry about protecting her again so i can i understand him turning and being the killer but in the trailer theres a scene where hes reloading a gun while chasing ghost face so its improbable... we'll have to see tonight.
The reason scream is probably my favorite horror franchise is because the killer is different every movie. Each killer has a different motive and that’s what keeps the excitement for each movie.
I never caught Billy was distracting Sydney to kid nap her dad. But as soon as you started saying it, I thought “oh yeah, those are the clothes he is wearing in the big reveal scene”. That was a good catch! Never thought about it before
Pluse the other reason he is there is to establish an alibi. My guess is after this billy took the unconscious guy in his own car back to stues house while stue went to Tate's
I met skeet in October this year and asked him if he ever did any ghost face scenes, he indeed confirmed that he did don in for the Randy scene but it was ultimately not in the film! Lovely guy
What really messed me up was the idea of Stu letting in Billy, remembering damn well Casey locked the door; only to see her parents come home to it unlocked….
I know before Scream came out my sister had a glow in the dark "GHOST FACE" Mask but the mouth was shaped a little different. She wore it for Halloween in 94. I still have the pictures of her in that mask. I always thought it was super cool that she had that mask and wore it a good 2 years before Scream and Ghost Face even existed
25:07 I think Billy also planned on making Stu look like Neil's accomplice which is why he stabbed Stu too deeply to the point where Stu said he thought he was dying. Billy planned to make it look like the murder of Maureen had driven Neil Prescott insane and he'd gone on a killing spree forcing Stu to help him and after killing Sidney had killed himself in a murder suicide with Billy being the only survivor. And after Billy had become famous for surviving Neil's supposed killings and everything had died down Billy planned on killing again since Stu said "We're gonna carry on and plan the sequel."
I think Stu was just always expendable so he didn’t care how deep he cut, and he also likes hurting people, the Dad was plan A, but if Stu died he could just be the killer or they could be a duo, Plan A, Plan B
Having Derek as a killer would have been a huge mistake as it would have undermined the satire of Billy, the obvious suspect, being one of the killers in the first film. Hallie would have been interesting, I'd have been really curious about her motive. A really interesting Ghostface would have been Joel, who for most of the events of the film was seen doing his job, but then had an alibi (and means to kill without suspicion) after Randy was killed in his van and he quit his job. His motive could have been similar to Mickey's and Charlie's, life imitating art, the perverted thrill of direct involvement of the thing that inspired him to pick up a camera (first film). Maybe he and Hallie could have been together, recruited by Mrs. Loomis, one to keep tabs on Gale and the other to keep tabs on Sidney. Could have been cool.
My favorite thing about scream 1 is that in almost every scene billy and Stu are in its setting something up without you (the viewer) even knowing it like when billy went to Sydney’s house and made out with her, he was distracting her while Stu kidnapped her dad also creating an alibi for himself or when Sydney was leaving stu’s party billy shows up to single Stu that stu’s girlfriend is dead they then went upstairs to have sex meanwhile Stu was dressing up as ghost face to “kill” billy” anyway I’m sure there are many more examples I just can’t think of them all
Both Matthew Lillard and Skeet Ulrich dawned the Ghostface costume when Ghostface was about to kill Randy before they heard Sidney. The two of them did an interview awhile ago where they said this to be the case, but the man who was primarily in the Ghostface costume also did that scene as well. It’s possible that it’s a combination of all three of them are in the final film, considering how it’s edited together.
I love the part at the the end where you mention Randy saying they always come back for one last scare is further proof that there is no way Stu survived. They make sure Billy's dead and you're telling me they don't check Stu as well? Bringing Stu back alive for 6 would make absolutely no sense. If they do it'll be an unbelievable reason like "Oh, one of the EMTs snuck him out in an ambulance without any of the cops,reporters, coroner's, or Sidney, Gale, or Randy seeing them." Just you wait,6 will be stupid as hell.
I’m so impressed of how you took the time to research all of this. I only knew maybe half or a little more or a little less. I didn’t count I’m just taking a guess. I appreciate how much effort and time you put in to these videos.
Important to note that Danny Johnson in Dead By Daylight is only tangentially connected to Scream. He is not a part of the Scream franchise, which is why he never makes any calls to his victims. His only connection to the franchise is through the Fun World mask which BHVR (the game studio who makes DBD) has the rights for. They wrote Danny as a character to bring the spirit of Scream into the game without actually having the Scream rights. Pretty clever.
@21:42 I believe I have a simple theory on how Roman got Sydney’s phone number: Dewey has her number saved on his phone. He lets Kincaid borrow the phone, and this later makes everyone suspicious of how the killer called Sydney. The reason being because Gale asks Dewey if anyone else used Dewey’s phone, to which he replied just Kincaid and Jennifer. However, earlier when Roman is arrested, Jennifer makes the comment, “God, Roman... remind me not to sleep with him again.” Jennifer may have had Deweys phone during that time she was with Roman, and Roman may have snuck into the phone while Jennifer wasn’t looking (sleeping, possibly) and found Sydney’s number then. Just a theory. @Zack Cherry
@Mathias Eggimann nah, it's something you can only hear on high quality copies. Couldn't ever hear it on vhs, or DVD then I saw it in theaters for it's anniversary and could distinctly recognize and hear him then.
If you listen closely on the first attack, the killer says " easy easy " and the next few scenes at the school Tatum pretends to hit Stu with her sucker Stu says " Easy- easy "
@@Riley98414 You're totally right. It also sounded very similar. Also Stu looks at himself in the handheld mirror in the locker scene, likely looking for a bump from headbutting Sidney the night prior. It's always those little details that make it fun in rewatches, knowing how easy it should have been for Sidney and a few others to figure out, who the killers were.
I never believed it was actually Skeet Ulrich and Stu Macher wearing the masks during filming since we don’t even have an unmasking scene. Skeet did actually wear the costume a couple of times but for the most part ghostface wasn’t played by either of the actors revealed to be the killers.
You have no idea how much I want the killer to be Stu, but I have major doubts it will happen. I did know most of these, and I’m proud to say I caught onto the left hand theory the very first time I watched.
Stu's house is in the trailer so it gives the impression that there's a tie in somewhere with that and if they bring him back I'll be psyched and they did great at keeping that a secret.
The mask was born the same year I was. There aren't words for how much I love that. I grew up watching Scream, it was my favorite movie as a little kid, and I love every one. I loved Ghostface so much, I dressed up as Ghostface for every single Halloween I've ever experienced lol. That Buck 120 is the most beautiful knife to ever exist, and I love mine. And you know damn well I bought Ghostface in Warzone, and that I run around with nothing the Buck 120 and a stun grenade😂 I'm so happy with how they portrayed him in that game, they did really damn good. He looks really good, they got the knife right, and most importantly, they actually got the voice😍
has anyone else noticed that ghostface moves in a weird way? like he kinda throws himself at his victims in a very rushed and reckless way, often leading to him falling over or running into things, whereas killers like jason and michael move very deliberately
Actually, although Dane was Ghostface for most of the movies, he DIDN’t do EVERYTHING in Scream 1 and 2 because they wanted to separate the stunt performers/actors wearing the Ghostface outfit so people couldn't think it is one consistent person/killer. In Scream 1, Tony Cecere, Lee Waddell, and Dane Farwell were the stunt guys of Ghostface. In Scream 2, Chris Durand, Lee Waddell, Dane Farwell, Ted Barba, Kurt Bryant, TJ White, Rick Barker, Chris Doyle, and Allen Robinson were the stunt performers of Ghostface.
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Great video! Perfect timing of course. Sydney might not have known Roman, but I'd say "it's always someone you know" is more directed towards the audience, even if we don't completely know them, like Roman being Maureen's son; we still knew him as a character.
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The fang mask looks like Nemesis from Resident Evil 3 and from the second movie in the original RE film series Apocalypse. Honestly it could have been a copy since RE games were inspired by American movies, but I think it was a coincidence. Really funny how close it looks, minus the mouth.
4:31 Billy and Stu were the only ones who did more than stab because they gutted Casey and Steve and probably did the same to Principal Himbry before they hung his body up in the football field to get the others away from the party at Stu's house so they could kill Sidney.
Which also makes it more likely for Stu to have killed Dewey than Amber. Since Stu knows how to gut someone, like he did with Dewey in Scream 5. And Amber was more of a stabby-stab killer, than a slice-and-dice person.
I just rewatched this, and the statement about Mrs. Loomis having killed Randy with her left hand caught my attention. The theory that she uses her left hand, in order to aid in framing Mickey does make sense, to some degree. It's also been established this particular kill was largely one of passion, due to Randy's comments regarding Billy, and potentially unintended. I do somewhat wonder just how likely it would have been for her to use her left hand, and if that aspect was intentional.
You'd think Ghost Face would stop trying to set people up after everyone fails at it. I also remember the masks being sold at Walgreens as a kid. It was trippy seeing it in a movie.
If Charlie was stabbed in the heart: How does anyone expect him to survive that? The only way is if Jill stabbed him in the wrong area only assuming she had stabbed him in the heart. Which I would assume he wouldn't be able to speak and say, "Jill? The heart. WTF? That's not what we agreed on?' Nor would he make his gasping sounds. So it's possible she just stabbed him in the lung area or some place near the heart. Thus it's slightly possible he could survive. But of course fans would say that's far fetched but so is Kirby or really anyone surviving. It's a movie franchise so we as fans can speculate our own motives and ideas into the story and even have stupid fan fiction witch fetishizes certain fantasy relationships that don't exist.
Scream 4 was not a bad plot, it had good overall kills, also not bad with the attempted comedy, but that being said the actors who played the killers were absolutely terrible. Also the mail slot door kill is nice.
The real problem with who they got to be Ghostface in 4 AND 5 was that the moment they were cast you knew who they were. I mean come on, Rory Cualkin and the crazy chick from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood!? Dead give aways
Love your videos. So well researched, thought out, entertaining, and interesting. And you don't waste tons of time before getting to your topic like so many other channels out there. Love the low background music as well!
The plot hole in Scream 3 could be solved if Dewey is behind all of this. He’s had connections to all of the killers and he was one of the two people who knew Sidney’s contact information when she was living off the grid.
Love these videos! Question? Did Billy and Stu take turns looking after Mr. Prescott or was he left locked up for 2 days with no food, water, bathroom and clearly wounded?
It is true that Roman had no part in planning the Woodsboro murders by Billy and Stu (except Maureen, of course). However, the news were heavily reporting on Casey's and Steve's murder and on the attack on Sidney. At that point, exactly one year after Maureen's murder, Roman absolutely must have realized what was going on. It is a rather short drive from L.A. to Woodsboro, so him hopping in the car and going to watch things unfold up-close isn't out of the question. For me, Roman being the "observing" ghostface in the bushes and the supermarket makes more sense than Billy and Stu, possibly also the prank-attack in the school bathroom. It is not far-fetched: Roman would have known that Billy and Stu were now going for Sidney, so he wanted to partake in the thrill of stalking his half-sister before she is murdered without really dirtying his own hands. Mind you, I am aware that the whole Roman story is one huge retcon, so of course it wasn't planned this way. But in-universe I find it more likely than Billy or Stu putting on the costume in a supermarket just to take a quick glance.
I’ve always thought Kincaid was the second killer for a couple reason. 1) being Kincaid borrowed deweys phone onset. Then Sid gets a call. 2) Kincaid had a file on Sid. 3) how did he know that she would end up at Milton’s mansion
It’s always someone you know could be a reference to the audience. Scream is always been a bit of a meta type of horror movie. It is always someone we know because we get to know the killers before knowing they’re the killer.
I don't know if anyone here is a Resident Evil fan but this scrapped ghost face concept at 2:29 looks a lot like the Nemesis, which is an interesting coincidence.
Ok, look. Ghostface most certainly is supernatural. None of the killers ever die until they take off the mask. Also, Ghostface *is* the mask, and that's what makes him immortal, he's just immortal in a different way. Ghostface is an entirely different entity than the killers behind the mask, and I love him. Then when Sidney wore the mask for a minute, God damn, that's that moment right there, ultimate Ghostface😍
It NEVER occurred to me to question when Neil Prescott was kidnapped. Never paid attention to what outfit he was wearing at the end. WOW. But Neil's car was found near Stu's house, so when did they take his car? Did they wait around until "first thing in the morning" or just until Sidney fell asleep?
So I found out not that long ago that my mom’s cousin lived across the hall from the college students in Gainesville who got killed. So my mom’s cousin would have been killed if she lived in the dorm room across from the one she did live in.
Hopefully for scream 6 Stu comes back as he’s alive and hopefully his partner can be Danny Johnson I really want them to add him into the series I like how he photographs his murders would be a really good plot
The way they could bring Danny is he could be obsessed with the murders or they could tie it for him to be Billy Loomis half sibling like Roman that would be a crazy twist as Billy was in scream 5 as Sam’s dad
It’ll be awesome if you did a Scream timeline starting with Maureen’s aka Reyna Reynolds’s acting career and her attempt of fame that leads her to Milton. Followed by Roman growing up and trying to find his mother only to be turned away by Maureen which leads him to approach Billy Loomis and convince him to kill Maureen and then frame Cotton Weary, eventually starting the events of Scream. Something along those lines. Just a suggestion. 👉👈 [Edit to add: I wrote a timeline myself which started before Maureen went to Hollywood where it had her expressing her interest of fame to her sister Kate. And then when she came back Maureen was a mess until she met Neil and got married. It also included Kate giving birth to Jill, and Jill secretly growing up obsessed with Sidney’s fame and slowly manipulating Charlie for their future plan. But, you could probably tell it way better than I can!
Anyone else glad that scream 2 was changed at is wasn't Sidney's boyfriend being the killer again? Plus I just really liked Mrs Loomis coming into it for revenge.
I love so much of the first movie I could go on for days, but I just love when Sydney’s dad falls out of the closet and she’s like “hahaha, daaad! 😆” like dude!! Lmao
There’s no way stu didn’t know about Roman , or at least to some extent , he references Sharon stone stating “your mother was no Sharon stone” hinting at the fact that he knew of her mothers short lived life in the world of Hollywood that opens the door completely to the idea that Stu either knew Roman or Billy told him everything about Sidney’s mother, that he found out from Roman , most likely he knew Roman though as why would Stu really focus on that point as it’s clear Billy’s only motive to kill Maureen was pure revenge for making his parents split up. He wasn’t interested in the fact that Maureen used to be an actress and so why would he think Stu would be when it clearly didn’t even cross his mind to poke at references to the fact as Stu did. So most likely they both met Roman. Just because he told Billy to find someone to blame it all on doesn’t mean much he could have told him that in a previous meeting and then they all three could have met up and discussed the killing of Maureen with Stu included in the conversation with Roman. And just because Stu didn’t know about the cheating doesn’t mean he wasn’t in on it again there could have been a separate meeting excluding Stu. Stu was not a level headed man, he really didn’t even have a motive he was a bored rich kid unsupervised who wanted to raise some hell by killing a few people because his best friend convinced him to do so. Stu was extremely easy to manipulate. He could have still been aware of Roman even if he didn’t know why Billy wanted to kill Maureen. He clearly didn’t really care why he wanted to kill Tatum or Casey or Steve. He just went along with it. Of course Casey being an ex who left him for someone else and was acting unfaithful just as Maureen was I’m sure that was motivation for both of them, however other then those killings all of the others gave no motivation for Stu except for the sheer fact that Billy said so. And he went along with whatever Billy said like a loyal lap dog.
The amount of work that you are putting into your videos are amazing Zack, always so detailed and funny at the same time. And it´s funny, when it said kill count on the screen, i thought about James A. Janise from Dead Meat. :)
A lot of people don't seem to like Scream 3 much, but it's actually my favorite. I love Roman, and Ghostface was so good in that movie. Hell, the very first thing he did was trick Cotton's girlfriend into attacking him, and then killed them both😂 Roman was savage as fuck.
Kevin Williamson's plot of Stu Macher not being dead, going to prison and getting a cult following may not have worked very well for Scream series, and I am still hoping he did survive and returns in Scream 5. However, Williamson's story was later transformed into the TV Show, The Following.
With so many clues in Scream 5 and 6 on Stu's survival (not to mention that he did still breath after getting electrocuted) there is a high chance that we'll be seeing him again in Scream 7. And with the writer(s) and director being big Stu fans I wouldn't be surprised if he is revealed to be the mastermind behind Scream 5 and 6. But as we know, we only get Stu if we get Sidney as well, as Matthew said, that he only returns if Neve returns as well (chances are very high for a final showdown between Stu and Sidney)
