refreshing to hear you talk down these 1000 yard “hunters “ . Nothing pisses me off more . So many animals get injured and walk off to suffer and die all to feed some a-holes ego . I hunt with a 325wsm and my favourite …the 35 Whelen . Both capable 400 and under cartridges . Great video 👍
No amount of convincing will change my mind that the H&H is the most inherently accurate, and smoothest feeder outta all the .30 magnums. It’s a nostalgic round that’s as relevant today as any. 👍🏻
Glad to see a fellow sportsman who appreciates the 300 H&H. I own a 100% original 1950 M70 in 300 H&H, the barrel just says 300 Magnum . It shoots 180 grain Sierra soft point boat tails using 68 grains of IMR 4350 at 3050 fps. Optics are vintage Boush and Lomb Balvar 2.5-8 with their quick detach plunger mount bases. Shoots sub MOA
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 I had another 1952 Model 70 300 H&H monte carlo first year the smothest action ever. I let a buddy use it deer hunting and he got his first deer with it so I sold it to him. As Charlie Brown would say Uggg. It sure was a 100% beauty too.
I just acquired a very nice Remington model 721 300 h&h magnum. I haven't fired it just yet. My brother just finished loading 40 rds. in 5gr powder increments ever 5 rounds. Can't wait to dial it in.
"Target practice on live animals". Veery well put. I have rubbed some people the wrong way at my local range by saying basically the same thing to...more than one owner of a 5000$ 6.5 creedmoor "hunting rig". Complete with 32x nightforce. More money than sence usually.
I have always loved the lore of the 300 H&H. I have recently begun acquiring Ruger #1's in odd or classic calibers for my collection. A couple of months back I was able to purchase an unfired 2014 Ruger #1 in 300 h&H gorgeous rifle and let's just say it is now slightly fired. Absolutely love it!
You are right. The recoil of the 300 H&H is not near as bad as a .338 or a .375 after watching you shoot your rifle. Superb video on this wonderful round that I have always admired but never owned nor could afford such a rifle.
Awesome truthful review! You and I obviously have a lot in common...We both love Win 70's, Leupold scopes, Warne rings/bases, and old "proven" cartridges!! Well done sir!
I have a 700 Classic Remington, in .300 H&H on layaway. I sold my pre 64 to my nephew, but I found that I had to get another Holland Super 30 so that I could sleep at night. Beautiful review, well spoken and filled with good sense.
Objectively, the 700 is a fine rifle. I had a 721 in 300 H&H for awhile and now have a pre 64 model 70. In my opinion, the model 70 is a much better rifle, but I have never been able to warm too much to the Remington rifle. I guess I am just biased.
That rifle is a treasure. I see them on gun racks at gun shows here in Texas quite regular but no one is buying unless it is an old fart like me that sees the value and nostalgia in these older pre64's. I have my eye on a 50's model but I know I will never come up with $1800 for it, but I can dream huh? Wonderful review done right.
According to my info; the tapered cartridge case gives a more complete powder burn upon ignition. It also has a quicker extraction time for that reason.A .30/'o6 improved will ALMOST duplicate the 300 H&H's ballistics.
An vietnam vet approached me while I was shooting my 300 H& H at the rifle range. He told me that the 300 H&H was a favored sniper rifle in the Vietnam war. I also have a pre 64 Winchester model 70. Mine was made in 1959. It’s all original and shot like a champ! I hit a small target from 120 yds out and nailed it! I love this rifle!
I still hunt with a 300 H&H in a PreWar Model 70, I have a Leopold 3.5x10 40mm CDS I reload with it Nosler 180AB with a Stiff load of IMR 4350. It’s my Big Gun for Elk & Bears. Deer and Antelope.264 Win Mag
If you shoot a .300 HH today, you have to reload to get a decent round. My .300 is over 50 years old, built by friend of mine on a Sako action, weighing in at 61/2 lbs. Kicks pretty good, but accurate as hell out to 250 yds. I've never shot at an animal over that distance. Great video, thanks for sharing.
Hey Pardner ! 👋 greetings from Henderson NV. I will tell you one thing , the 300 H/H is the most versatile and de lux ,fanciest caliber in the world 🌎 I will be saving money soon to own one ! Love your videos . You are a top notch shooting guy ! With a ton of knowledge.
1950 Model 70 300 H&H with B&L Balvar 2 1/2-8 tapered cross hairs with B&L quick detach plunger mount. Shoots 180gr. Sierra SPBT @3100 fps With 68 grains IMR 4350. Zero @ 200yds minus 36 @ 500yds. Like you said a true classic beauty.
I sure wish the 300 h&h was still produced. I’d love to be an owner of one. It looks like the h&h mag does better with heavier bullets as well with the much longer neck and case. I think a 30-06 or a practical 300 mag paired with a 375 h&h is a absolutely perfect pairing for Alaska big game hunting
I just bought a brand new one this weekend!!! Ruger number 1. I think it will be fine for moose and caribou. I just have to practice reloading it fast. Even without shooting it it yet I have no buyers remorse lol I did somewhat with my winny 70 in 375 H&H bit that passed fast lol. I so over the moon 🌙 about this cartridge and rifle!!!
Great video. I own pre-64 Model 70 in 300hh. In fact i have owned two. It is an impressive round. The one I kept has a Leupold LPS 2.5x10 on it with Talley steel bases. With handloads I can put five shots in one hole off the bags at 100 yards. Even with the steel buttplate on the factory stock, recoil is nothin.
A great cartridge. Extremely accurate and as easy to shoot as the 30-06 but with more reach. Besides it’s a sexy-looking sleek cartridge. The Jessica Rabbit of cartridges! Ha, ha!
Good argument for the .300 H&H. I've owned an M-70 in .300 Win Mag. I loved it, but it was much more gun than I ever needed in the woods of Kentucky. I'd have been happy with the H&H, since I reload almost exclusively but you don't find them on gunstore shelves. You gotta love the history and legacy of the H&H round though. Good on you for your love of the 300 H&H.
I have three, 300's, The win mag, The wby mag, and the H&H. The 300 H&H is the most efficient , Best accuracy and less recoil than the rest. The modern 30 mags don't do anything better than the old H&H. It's just like the old 270 WCF, They can't improve on that one either. By the way Nosler Accubonds are the most accurate bullets in all my rifles. Great video and I agree that shots beyond 500 yards should be on paper only. Just bought another 300 H&H in a REM 721/26'' barrel, Should be a shooter. Think I'll bed it and install a Timney/Calvin elite on it set at 8oz and a good Leupold. Happy, Happy!
I loved my 300H&H. I’ve owned two. A REM 721 and a WIN M-70 that was a factory 1000 yard target rifle. That rifle was stolen from my car trunk around 1978. Both rifles were 1/2 moa rifles.
I inherited a Winchester Model 70 pre 64...and recently found a Remington 721 also chambered for 300 H&H... I am surprised you didn't mention the Remington offering. Both have been rarely shot..like new even though they are almost 100 years old
I’ve got a Remington model 700 Classic in 300 H and H, that I bought new in 1984. It will never be traded or sold. It is my favorite 30 caliber cartridge. I’ve reloaded it for many years, but in the last 4-5 years I’ve been using Nosler 180 grain factory ammo with great results. Thanks for an excellent video.
Thank you for this video! I´m about to make a 300HH based on a very good Mauser 98 action with an excellent South African Musgrave barrel and wood stock. Hope to obtain as good result as you did with your Grandfather rifle. Your video is as good as always, to the point from the hunter point of view.
I love your rifle! My grandfather also hunted with a 50's vintage Model 70 300H&H. One of my cousins inherited it when he passed, and it hasn't seen the light of day since! One of these days he will need money, and I'll be ready!
If you cannot free this 300 H&H, Its a lot of fun finding and resurrecting pre64 model 70's. Parts are getting scarce - but that just makes it all the more fulfilling!
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 2 years later update. Got tired of waiting for my cousin to sell, so I went and found a twin to it. Got a 1950 model 70 "300 Magnum", traded a vx6 scope for it. Can't wait to hunt with it this year.
Awesome video on a pretty sweet cartridge, how about a video on 7x57 Mauser and WDM Bell? I know you talked about Bell in the Authors video but it would be very interesting to hear more history behind the 7x57.
Would you be willing to share some of your Barnes bullets load data? I currently shoot 180 grain Nosler's with Norma MRP powder in my Pre-64 M-70 .300 H&H which works well of course, but I would like to come up with some non lead loads just in case. Mine is an original factory rife that has been glass bedded, free floated and had the trigger done. Excellent video sir, keep them coming!
Start by trying the the 175gr LRX with H4831sc at .040-.045" off the lands. Nosler brass and magnum primers. Run an OCW test to find the best powder charge, then tweak seating depth to fine tune the load. I bet you find an incredible load with that combo.
TY 1 l agree. For a hand loader the .3006 is still the most well balanced versatile cartridge out there. There is the law of “diminishing returns which means that anything over 2900 to 3000 fps is just meaning less numbers.With the modern powders and bullets like Barnes 165 grn. TSX. The .3006 Spring field is the ultimate in accuraccy shootability and plain knock down power.Extremely well balanced cartridge just like 7x57 Mauser. Thank you🇨🇦🤠
I am fortunate to have 2 Super.30 Rifles. Sako and an FN Browning. I would love to find a pre '64 M70, but I believe they were made for only one year. Expensive for sure! Love the cartridge. I shoot it more than the .300 Win. Mag M70 I have.
The 300 win mag was only made for one year not the 300 H&H! But still hard to find caliber. 60+ year gun collector and always have my eyes out for another beautiful rifle to take under my wings to care for🤔😳
The only magnum I own is a pre 64 model 70 in .300 H&H. I bought it in Newfoundland years ago when a “.300 magnum” was advertised in a local paper. It was a late 1950s rifle that reportedly was bought by a Bell Island ferry captain. It came with two boxes of Winchester Western cartridges that were bought with the rifle, of which only 8 were fired. It had never had a scope mounted, but I mounted a fixed Leopold 6X in Weaver rings to be period accurate. I’ve shot two NL moose with 190 grain Hornady bullets as that what I had. Bang / flop. I don’t use it often as I don’t need the power and range often but it is a beauty when I need it, or just decide to use it. It is the best handling and shooting pre-64 model 70 that I’ve owned and I’ve owned a few. I tend to favour 180 grain Nosler partitions now @2900 fps which is a moderate load but it shoots amazing and just plain works. Long live the Super .30!!
300 H&H brass sold by Nosler, is manufactured in Sweden 🇸🇪. In other words, its Norma brass. I confirmed this with a tech a Nosler. Nosler and Norma have a very close relationship, and Norma still manufactures some European oddball (300H&H) calibers for them. Norma doesn’t prep and sort the brass though. That’s done by Nosler.
Desert Dog Outdoors - Btw, I just bought some Hornady brass for the 300 H&H. It consistently mics .001” more than Norma brass. Norma brass mics .012” and Hornady .013”.
You might look for the brass that says Norma on it because it’s less money then their brass that says Nosler and is the same brass but a lot less money😳
I've always wanted one of the 300H&H M70's but they're pretty scarce. I'm not too worried about ammo concerns because I own a couple of 22lr's for fun at the range. Currently, I own M70's in 257 Roberts, 270Win, 7x57, and a 375H&H. A 300H&H would fit right in the ol gun safe. Browning made a 300H&H within the last few years so maybe I'll run across one when I have the money. That rifle of yours, your grandfather's, was gorgeous. Some people freak out over refurbishing old rifles but when done tastefully, keeping a good rifle in the field is always a rewarding experience. Enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing!
That Model 70 in 7x57 must be a sweet rifle, I'm hoping either Winchester will bring back the chambering or I'll finally run across a good used one. Is it a Pre 64?
@@willrowell3218 My 7x57 was one of the South Carolina FN featherweight models. I bought it for my daughter because it's easier on the shoulder. It has a Swarovski 1.25-4x24 and Talley rings. Luckily, it handles both 139 & 175 grain bullets like a champ. I prefer the 175's because they drop animals in their tracks!
Excellent! I like your 5 shot groups as 3-shot groups can be miseading. I live in Alaska and shoot a .270 and 300 H & H Remington 700. For the 300 H &H I reload Barnes TTSX 180gr with IMR 4831. Factory ammo is pretty expensive in Alaska >$75 for 300 H &H 180gr accubonds, so I reload instead.
Forgot to add that opening day, October, 12, 2019 I shot the biggest Blacktail anyone in my hunting party has ever seen. When I checked the zero of my brand new .270 near camp in freezing temperatures it miss fired twice. I always bring a spare which is my "Old Reliable" Pre-64 M-70 in .300 H&H! Love that rifle! It certainly did the job!
I have a 1955 model 70, in this caliber and it is exceptionally accurate with elk loads in 180 grains. Just a pleasure to shoot. It is now in the possession of my oldest grandson. Very easy to reload. With the gentle slope in the shoulder, you are unlikely to ever get a stuck case.
The 300 win mag is still a great cartridge, performance is always relative. If a 300H&H outperforms its younger sibling then that makes it a fantastic cartridge!
It does, but requires a 375 H&H length magnum receiver. As rifle manufactures raced to produce the cheapest rifles in the mid 60's, the 300WM was an obvious winner to keep production costs down. Like I said, anything that throws a 180gr projectile over 3000fps is going to kill and shoot flat. Both cartridges do this.
I feel personally attacked lol I love my 300wby. I do shoot it in a Mark V 10 pound rifle with its stock muzzle break so the recoil isn’t bad at all. That being said, it’s cool to see what kicked off these .30 cal magnums, I’d definitely trade you my mark v for that 300 H&H 😅
I like your stock on your 300H-H I just bought a a pre 64 in a 300 H-H it is going to be nice for elk hunting the one i am getting has a old old Bushnell scope that probably was on it when it was new back in 1954 also bueller mounts
This was some awesome information. Never been around the 300 H+H mag. First owned a Sako 300 win mag then got the new model 70 300 wsm the year it was born. Always with 3.5x10x50 Leupold scope for Alaska as a hunter and guide. Trapper scotty,Alaskan
I always assumed the magnum actions were longer/heavier. They aren't. Pre-64s use the same receiver, bolt diameter and length, and action screw spacing. There is more machining of the receiver for the magnum cartridge, which actually makes it lighter..I'm going to be ordering a Mcmillan "Mcwoody" stock for my 1955 H&H shortly and hope to get it out in the field again this fall. Love the old .300 H&H! Thanks for the great content.
Any .308 caliber rifle bullet will work with your 300H&H loads (assuming you are taking about "BULLETS" and not "CARTRIDGES"), but I recommend weights from 168gr to 200gr.
I had a chance,years ago,of buying a mint condition Belgian Browning,with a Mauser action,for $800.I kick myself,every time I think about.The action was butter smooth,and the whole gun,was just sweet.Ive owned a 300 Winchester Mag,and liked it,but I really want to get a H&H.Ive been wanting one for 30 years,but just kept buying other ones,but I want to save up and buy one,or have one built.
I just put a Remington 700 classic in .300 H & H Magnum on deposit, even got a box of ammo with it. I've been a fan of the gun for about 20 years but never really jumped on one until today.
The "magnum" receiver on a Pre64 model 70 300 H&H is actually lighter than that of the 300 win mag. They start out as the same size chunk of billet and more material is removed for the full length magnum case. Two model 70s with the same barrel and driving the same bullet at the same speed will recoil in proportion to powder charge and receiver weight. Where the 300H&H picks up a slight edge in recoil is from the fact that it uses less powder than the win mag to reach a given velocity.
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H & H cases need to headspace off the belt due to their gentle shoulders (8.5 degrees) compared to more modern belted magnum cases like 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win mag with case shoulders of 25 degrees. Most "modern" belted magnums were belted for marketing purposes according to my 1987 Speer Manual. " H & H are probably the only bottle-necked magnums in current use that really need the case belt because of their shallow shoulder. Others have ample shoulder for headspacing and the belt of these modern cartridges is really superfluous. Yet "belted" and "magnum" have become synonymous that any effort to promote a new magnum cartridge would have slim chance of success, regardless of how good a performer it was". That quote is from my Speer Manual Number 11 (1987), so a historical perspective and things have changed with non-belted magnum cartridges such as the Lapua 338 Magnum etc.
Almost bought a Ruger no1 in this caliber. I’ll never find ammo or components for it. Kinda kick myself for not getting it though. I’ll eventually find powder/cases; probably never see the gun again though
Wow. Great job on a truthful and realistic look at the 300 h&h. Im left handed so theres not a wide selection out there so I stick to traditional leverguns, a few single shots, and the Ruger GSR 308 lefty and a lefty Ruger compact rifle in 338RCM. These are good enough for elk and deer. I can only dream of how smooth feeding your old 300h&h.
I also have a Winchester Model 70 from 1947 that I inherited from my father. I haven’t fired it in years but would like to find more ammunition for it.
I love these tried and true calibres!! Another +100yr old beauty is the 9.3x62 (as good as a 375HH - but in a short action). The game hasn't changed, so why change to a new, modern, calibre? IMO new calibres is the hunting world's version of re-inventing the wheel. I TOTALLY agree - shooting game at 1000yds is NOT hunting - it's just long range target shooting.
Excellent 👍. I have thought about building a custom pre 64 full stock just because they are so beautiful and handy with iron sights. With the 300 H&H do you think it would work with 20" barrel or not? If you built a Pre 64 70 full stock what cartridge would you choose for hunting inside of 300 with sights? Thanks hope you are doing well and healthy.
a 20" barrel is a waste for a 300 magnum. you wont get anywhere near complete powder burn. it you want a barrel that short, the 308 is a great cartridge.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Yes definitely true and the 308 is a great cartridge just know where near as cool. What barrel length are you using on yours 24" ? Thanks
Great video! My 300 H&H is a 1951 Remington 721 BDL Deluxe. All original. Not a Model 70 but I didn't have to mortgage my farm to get it and it will do the job. I do hand load for it. Shooting at any animal at 1000 yards is not ethical and not hunting. Utubers wannabe snipers are not showing how many deer or whatever that they wound and that escape to die a horrible, lingering death. Probably 99% of hunters aren't capable of consistently putting a round in the kill zone at 500 or even 400 yards under hunting conditions.
To each there own. 300 HH Mag is a fine cartridge. My dad inherited a Weatherby chamberd in 300 HH IN 1970 from his uncle . Huntedwith it until his passing . 25 years ago I bought a Weatherby rifle in 300 Wthby both rifles shot just under a inch with handloads . But the Weatherby did it with around 200 fps more than the HH . You figure out the grain of power for fps the HH barley edges the Wthrby out . Consider the availability of HH brass and ammo Wthrby wins hands down . Truely love both cartridges
Hey buddy 👋 we gotta get together in the Henderson NV. area where the desert is open, quiet, sweet, clean, beautiful, with October / November perfect temperatures 🙌 I just happen to be a rifle guy insteada pistol guy, my favorites? 30-30 , .223, 357, 32-40, trying to aquire a 25-35 winch. trapper but it's not easy, the other would be a CZ 22Hornet, but gotta find one at the gun shows. the pistol I got is a Dirty Harry in .22 jet which I got ripped off at 1800 bucks shoots .22lr. with ss inserts 😔 wish there was a lever action winch. in either .22 jet or .22 hornet 😪
Hello Desert Dog, Im a big fan of the 375 and 300 H&H. I’m contemplating getting a 40 cal rifle and was wondering if you have any thoughts in the 400 H&H? I think the 416 Remington is the logical, practical and affordable 40 cal but I guess its my personality that like things in sets. All the rifles Ive purchased for myself are Winchesters for example. Thanks for the great videos. Paul from WV
The case configuration was definitely a plus back in 1912 when the cartridge was introduced. Hot temperatures combined with powder that was not temperature stable could lead to higher pressure causing extraction problems. Having said that ( and I know that some people will call me a fudd,) the. 30-'06 will do anything that the .300 H&H will do, as long as you are 100 yards closer.
I have a 700 ADL in .338 Win Mag. Its probably never been fired since factory testing. Im not fond of heavy recoil, so Ive been watching for a pre 64 in .300 H&H. Of course here in ranch country, Model 70 rifles always get top dollar, but once in awhile I get lucky. Mountain lions have decimated our elk and deer, so its likely Ill never get a tag in order to need a magnum, anyway.
