300 Savage The ORIGINAL 308 Winchester?

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@TheMonst208 2 года назад

I'm so glad this finally came up!! I have a Savage 99 in 300 Savage that I really admire. It was my great grandpa's and I even have a picture of him holding it along the side of an elk!

@shawntailor5485 2 года назад

Love mine ,and my 81 .

@chrisfenske4051 2 года назад

Mirror image story for me, wish I could share the photo on here.

@TheMonst208 2 года назад

@@chrisfenske4051 same!

@7mm-08 2 года назад

Love mine!

@kingelvis7035 2 года назад

I have my dad's Savage 99 in .300 too. Got my first deer an antelope with it. It's a genius lever action with great features and strength. It's kind of a "steam punk" looking rifle with a future/retro feel.

@404nitro 2 года назад

Excellent as always. My maternal grandpa used an old Savage 99 in 300 as did his son, my uncle. My ant used a 99 in 250 Savage. She took all, or almost all the big game available in MT with that 250 including a moose.

@steelgila 2 года назад

More really big game has been taken with .300 Savage's daddy .250 Savage than some people, my self included, could possibly believe.

@mikeblair2594 2 года назад

I want to put all the quartz in the wall behind you through my crusher. I'm seeing a lot of pirites in them and want to see if there's any free milled gold in those boulders

@bobr7380 2 года назад

Gee whizz what a revelation! Like we didn't know this in the 1960s. The government extended the neck so it would feed more smoothly. Your video is 60 years old news.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Gee whiz Bob, I'll bet you didn't know this 59 years ago. Or when you were 10 or maybe 20. No offense, but my point is this: everything is new to someone! We don't all start out knowing everything. Relax and share what you know. One of the roadblocks facing new shooters is fear of getting laughed at for what they don't know. I've seen this attitude from not just old timers at some shooting clubs and hunting camps, but even at retail stores where the guy behind the counter would so intimidate new shooters that they'd leave without buying anything.

@gregrehmer9069 2 года назад

Saami spec is max diameter.

@WHOTEEWHO 2 года назад

300 savage gets requested of me a lot - I have ever only known one person to own a 300 savage. I have never seen a rifle with my own eyes for sale in 300 savage.

@jaydunbar7538 2 года назад

Just got done watching your new video

@waynestone6462 2 года назад

My father left me a model 99 in 300 savage wouldn't part with it for anything .

@richardstalcup4986 2 года назад

They were quite common on the used gun racks during the the closing decades of the last century. They began to command a premium price when Savage closed its doors.

@twp616 2 года назад

I have a few Savage 99 in . 300 Savage and 250-3000

@thehoneybadger8089 2 года назад

I see them at every gunshow. Probably 3 to 1 for any other caliber.

@thehoneybadger8089 2 года назад

The 99 Savage rotary magazine was not removable. The later removable magazine of the Model 99C from the1960's stacked cartridges like a bolt action.

@romeolima5339 2 года назад

The thing about the 300 sav is NOT the cartridge but the rifle itself. It was and is to this date the superior lever action rifle. The best balanced, handiest and stylish lever gun ever made. With its sleek, sexy elegance. It carries lite and fits in the hand like a tailored custom knife. It comes to shoulder like an extension of your body. Then tracks a running stag like it's directly wired to your eyes and instincts. The rifle agrees with the shooters heighten instincts like a perfectly paired couple of figure skaters. I as the shooter was always stuned and applauded the rifle upon the incredibly made shot. The rifle in my hands seemed to be proud to be in my hands. We danced a dance in perfect harmony. That brought a respectable end to the reign and the royalty of the superior species of the north woods. I have taken so many deer and bears with a model 99 300 Sav. That I've lost count. It is absolutely the best and most handy north woods rifle ever made bar none of any action. I NEVER EVER fired more then one round at a game species with it. I squeezed and they fell. The rifle has a vary distinct sound also. The guys at camp always told each other Russ scored again long before I would get back to camp. Love that old model 99, I finally retired it. Went to a ruger number 1 international. I like it also. Just not as much.

@franklininmon9110 2 года назад

When the 300 sav. barks you know a 🦌 is down.

@daltonsimmerock5999 2 года назад

.300 savage in a model 99 will always hold a special place in my heart. I took my first deer with one at 11 years old and ever since then I always try to take a deer with the .300 during deer season.

@jrhunt414 2 года назад

Many moose have fallen in the North Maine Woods to the old 300 savage.

@barneywaggles 2 года назад

Ron...most of the older 300's had 24 " barrels...they would perform almost identical to a 22" 308! You are the Best today...if you can find an old study done by the U.S. Forest Service they tested all calibers for a charging Grizzley.their pick was the .375 H&H at short range...they had Winchester make several for them in 20" barrels...for easy carry. Interesting what came in second was a 220 grain 30/06...all at 20 yards!

@robertsanders7061 2 года назад

I have lots of guns however dear season comes it’s my savage 99/ 300 savage since I was 10 years old. Still my go to

@PaulVerhoeven2 2 года назад

Dear season starts Feb 14th, right? ;) No disrespect, just found the typo funny.

@TheQCollection 2 года назад

Love your channel Ron, always great info. My savage model 1920 in 300 sav is one of my favorite backcountry packing rifles. Hand load and it knocks all my deer down with ease, just picked-up another model 1920 in 250-3000 and can't wait to see how that takes critters down.. Cheers from 🇨🇦

@scottzipperer6146 2 года назад

That makes 2 of us I have 7 savage 99's and I have only shot one a lot just got my 250-3000 up and brass reloaded can't wait

@johnnorman7708 2 года назад

The .300 Savage is absolutely one of the finest cartridges ever designed. It was a wonder and miracle especially in it's time, and is still pretty serious medicine in 2022. With modern ingredients it deserves a higher placement in the scheme of things. John Barsness has pontificated on this one a bunch. He ain't wrong. A Remington model 7 in .300 Savage would be one heck of a package.

@barneywaggles 2 года назад

Ron...the .300 Savage would take almost anything up to 200 yards...still does! It was once said..."Don't ever underestimate a man with a .300 Savage!"

@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 2 года назад

I have a hand built Remington Model 600 Mohawk in 250 Savage. It's my most prized possession.

@jesusisalive3227 2 года назад

Take a look at the .30 TC! It's pretty much the modern 300 savage.

@PaulVerhoeven2 2 года назад

At about the same time 270Win was already invented, which specifies MAP at 65,000psi, the limit since not exceeded until to the very recent and only 277FURY which is still vaporware. 300 Savage at 47,000 psi MAP was behind the time since the date it was created, even 30-06 has 60,000 psi MAP.

@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 2 года назад

@@PaulVerhoeven2 except I don't think that stat is correct. The 250 Savage which came out first is 67,000 psi.

@mikenorton62 2 года назад

Ron, I love your videos! I love how you brought the 6.5 Creedmore back to the .250! Keep it up, I appreciate it.

@ralphgreenjr.2466 2 года назад

Glad to see recognition for a true great American cartridge. I had a friend that I hunted with in Pennsylvania 50 odd years ago. It was and is still is a killer.

@bdwilcox 2 года назад

Not just American. When I hunted New Brunswick, Canada, all the guides there were carrying their Model 99 in .300 Savage and they took everything from partridge to moose and black bear with it.

@JBASH2011 2 года назад

So glad you touched upon this round Ron. Thank you. Not an owner, but I've always been enamored of the 250/3000, 300 Savage, and the gun they were made for. Hoping you can borrow a prime example and give us a Savage M99 episode one day.

@garyK.45ACP 2 года назад

You finally got around to it. Best real world cartridge for any North American game short of big bears. Not my choice for elk/moose, but it was always my backup rifle on those hunts. I wouldn't skip a moose or elk hunt if I only had a .300 Savage rifle. I began using it in the early 60s as a teenager and it has never been replaced despite many, many other rifles I own. My favorite all time hunting rifle is a 1951 vintage Savage 99 in .300 Savage. I also have a Remington Model 81, both handed down from my grandfather. The Remington is a bit too heavy and not as slim and trim to carry, but I won't sell it. And to top it off...one of my favorite "smaller bore" cartridges is the .250 Savage. I would choose the .250 any day of the week over the .243 or 6mm Remington.

@taylerjensen7272 2 года назад

The .250-3000 savage is the best idea anyone ever had simply because it went on to father the .22-250

@northwind9505 2 года назад

This was a eye opener! Love the way you unfold all this history and make it easy and fun knowledge.

@gizmocarr3093 2 года назад

Thank you for informing young shooters of some interesting historic facts that seems to be overlooked. The 250/3000 and 300 Savage are some of the first cartridges that used smokeless powder and still are as good as they always were. The 35 Remington could be added to the list too. It was one of the first autoloader cartridges. I remember seeing it promoted as the perfect bear stopper and moose rifle for woods work. Remington sold a lot of them in the northeast. In 1905 Winchester brought out the 351/ 35 Winchester self-loading rifle; The 350 Legend is a reincarnated 35 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge. Remington’s model 8 (Browning design) came out a year behind the Winchester. You can find pictures of model 8 Remington’s that used box magazines that look like AK-47 magazines. When I hear the words new when it comes to cartridges for firearms I seldom find new is the correct term. It is more correct to say improved.😂😅🤣

@twp616 2 года назад

Absolutely love the .300 Savage. Best lever gun ever made was the Savage 99 in .300 Savage. I am leaving mine to my grandsons.

@thehoneybadger8089 2 года назад

I'll take the 260 Remington, 6.5x55mm Swede, and the 6.5x57mm Mauser over the 6.5 Creedmoor simply because I am tired of having all the gunwriters cram the latter down my throat!

@davewinter2688 2 года назад

The the hand loaded Swede will and will do anything more than the Creedmoor will do especially with 140 grain and heavier bullets. Case capacity wins every time. The Hornady 6.5x55 140 grain SUPERFORMANCE load is a screamer for a factory load.

@thehoneybadger8089 2 года назад

@@davewinter2688 Be careful with pressures in rifles based on the Model 94/96 Swedish Mauser. I know, however, that my CZ will handle hotter loads.

@davewinter2688 2 года назад

@@thehoneybadger8089Thanks for your reply. The Carl Gustaf Stads M96 were tested to much higher pressures than the SAAMI standards. The quality of Swedish steel at the time was much higher than others of that time including that used by some of the German manufacturers. I still follow published loading data from respected manufacturers using standard protocols for load development as to pressure signs etc. I have one of the really nice "Sporterized by Kimball" Carl Gustaf 6.5x55 M96. I'm a '53 model and have been hand loading almost 47 years. I had a great mentor and teacher.

@phillipblume4030 2 года назад

Love the episode, Ron! 300 Savage out of the model 99 is what my family has always used (there are 5 of us that shoot them) for Minnesota whitetails (plus 1 Minnesota and 1 Canadian moose). 180 grain bullets are preferred where a 100-yard shot is very rare because the woods is so thick and the 150 grain has been known to occasionally deflect. My brother has been reloading old 300 brass but Hornady does sell new. I recently picked up some Barnes 130 grain TTSX to try using Leverevolution powder in the new brass. My nephew wants me to hunt pronghorn with him out West and I'm thinking about bringing the 99. New reloading manuals need updated load charts for the 300.

@davemeise2192 2 года назад

I had a friend who owned a 99 in 300 Savage. He let me use it for hunting for a few years and man I really liked that rifle and cartridge. It was accurate too, unlike my old 30-30 it would easily print 1 to 1 1/2" groups while my 30-30 was only able to do 2 1/2" groups.

@ltgreen6626 2 года назад

Here I set in my small cabin,laptop on my old banged up wood desk, tugging at my long gray beard, staring off at the corner of the room, where my old,old,old Winchester 94 30WCF is propped up, cartridge belt nearby, saying to myself, I, and my rifle are old and antiquated, left behind on the trash heap of history. I should have upgraded long ago, but kept putting it off.

@rogerbrown966 2 года назад

Thanks. I have an old remington m 722 in 300 sav. Love the thing. Accurate as heck. I do not use it allot any more but it gets taken out every year for doe season. I dont wanna bang it around allot. Its in good shape. But it has accounted for many many deer. Wallhangers to doe. I reload for it. Up until 2 years ago i shot 100 gr sierra bullets in it. But for idk how many years it threw 150 grain corelocks. Im back to 150 game kings now. I inherited it from my dad. It aint going no where. And i hope my son dont get dumb when he gets it. I used to have a m99 in 243. Got rid of it like a dummy. Great video. Thanks again.

@lawrencejchristie6193 2 года назад

Just love “classic cartridges. Truth be told - all the old time cartridges (because of advances in powders and projectiles) are better than ever! While I have enjoyed hunting with my pre-war Model 70 in ‘06, Remington 141 in 35 Rem, and my most modern cartridge, 270 wcf, - I have mostly hunted NYS with my ‘99 in 300 Savage F. It carries well, is extremely accurate, is a very effective round for whitetails, has mild recoil, is well designed, and enjoys the “cool factor” in such a high tech culture. Thanks for instructing us all on one of America’s all time greats.

@robertvasquez240 2 года назад

Because a number of European countries don't allow citizens to own firearms chambered in military or NATO rounds, the .300 Savage is quite a popular rifle round in Europe.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 2 года назад

We do it in kind of opposite way in the United States. Firearms chambered in current or former military cartridges are very popular here due to availability of ammunition.

@PaulVerhoeven2 2 года назад

Robert, can you compare it in terms of popularity in Europe or whatever country you live? How is it compared to 6.5x55 and 7x57 for example?

@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 2 года назад

Thanks for the presentation. I love my old Savage model 99 in 300 Savage. I make my brass out of 308 and load a 165 grain bullet. Works great for caribou.

@bryangrote8781 2 года назад

I have two Savage 99s, one in .300 and one in .250. The .300 hits hard and is very accurate even over iron sights and despite being a take down model made in 1921. Have not shot the .250 yet as I cannot find ammo and it was recently inherited and had been my great grandfather’s. Hopefully I can find some ammo soon and try it out also. Thanks for giving some love to this still very good and not the least bit obsolete round.

@johnnorman7708 2 года назад

.300 Savage approximated the then current .30-06 velocity back in 1920 close enough to be interesting to about everybody that liked .30-06 for range and power and gave it to everybody in a lever action rifle. And another consideration was the .300 Savage pushes bullets at speeds that allow low tech cup and core bullets to hold together fairly well. ANY cartridge that does that gets a big thumbs up from me. While at its very best as a deer cartridge, it can do the job on bigger stuff at intelligent ranges too. If a modern .30-06 is a 400 yard gun, and a .308 a 300 yard gun, then a .300 Savage is easily a 200 yard gun anytime anywhere. That's a real deal for most real world hunting.

@danielcurtis1434 2 года назад

I honestly never thought about jacketed bullet construction in the early 1900s. That’s a legitimate point that could have been an issue. Is this speculation or is it something you have any resources/citations for? In any case it was probably some sort of factor even if just for lower end manufacture. I’m just getting really curious now!!! Take care

@johnnorman7708 2 года назад

@@danielcurtis1434 Modern controlled expansion type bullets were only a few years before WWII. CoreLokt pretty much stole the show for decades. All else being equal, a .300 Savage firing an identical bullet as .30-06, stands to exhibit slower expansion on impact simply due to lower velocity and resulting kinetic energy working on the bullet. At really close range this can mean the difference between fragmentation and shallow penetration and a bullet holding together and penetrating to a proper depth while still expanding a reasonable amount at the same time. Its pretty much a balancing act of physics. But it is conceivable that there were many times that a .300 Savage terminally out performed .30-06 or ..300 H&H simply because the bullets weren't driven to destruction on a 47 yard shot. Even in 2022 the science of terminal ballistics, while better known aren't universally known and understood outside of laboratory settings. It is pretty deep science with a lot of variables. Edit: Not speculation on my part. As for specific citations I can't toss one out. I've been studying so many articles on bullet performance for so many years that they all run together at this date. But the stuff I learned from is all over the internet and hiding in the magazine articles I read over the last 40 or more years.

@garyK.45ACP Месяц назад

Winchester offered a lever gun in .30-06 before the .300 Savage came out. You are correct, that with 150gr. bullets, the .300 Savage matched the velocity of the .30-06 _at that time._ (1920) and did it in a _short action_ rifle that was much lighter and handier to carry than the Winchester Model 1895, and didn't have a protruding box magazine. The combination was a brilliant offering and the Model 99 lasted in production long after the Model 1895 was discontinued. A Model 99 in .300 Savage is, by far, my favorite _hunting rifle._

@garyK.45ACP Месяц назад

@@danielcurtis1434 You can check many sources on the history of bullet and cartridge design (Barnes' "Cartridges of the World" is an excellent one) It is not speculation. Propellant (powder) and bullet design in 1920 were such that anything more potent than a .30-06 (and there were few such cartridges) would have problems with bullet disintegration. The .300 H&H (AKA "Hollands Super .30"), at the time, barely exceeded the velocity of the .30-06. Propellant powders of the time simply couldn't make use of the additional case capacity. With modern powders, the .30-06 can easily exceed the velocity of the .300 H&H in 1920. Of, course, with modern powders the .300 H&H can exceed anything in the .30-06. And even the shorter .300 Winchester Magnum can exceed the .300 H&H. As propellant technology improved (mostly during and after WW2) so did bullet technology, and only in relatively recent years do we have bullets that can be used at all velocity levels within the range or cartridges available in a given bore size. Remington Core Lokt came out in 1939. Nosler partition bullets were one of the first specifically developed to handle higher velocities, they came out in 1948. Weatherby, synonymous with high velocity cartridges, didn't even exist until 1945 and really didn't get going until the early-mid 50s. Which bullets did their proprietary cartridges use? Nosler Partition. It is no coincidence that the "belted magnum" trend of the 1950s and 60s followed closely behind. Propellent and bullet technology is still improving, and so are the cartridges being offered.

@danielcurtis1434 Месяц назад

@@garyK.45ACP the thing is they had solid brass bullets since at least 1898. So even if what you say about bullet technology is true, they had a foolproof solution the whole time.

@scottstewart5784 2 года назад

Has anyone ever done a "family tree" presentation of cartridges?

@aethertech 2 года назад

including, or not including, wildcats?

@scottstewart5784 2 года назад

@@aethertech including. but I'll take excluding too.

@basshunter428 2 месяца назад

In the interest of authenticity the original 30'06 (1906) load pushing a 150gr bullet was rated @ 2700 fps making the .300 Savage equal in performance when in hit the market (1920). It wasn't until 1925 that the 30'06 saw some improvement yet not in the fps category but in bullet weight (175gr boat tail) that at 2700fps obviously packed significant significantly more punch.

@maxkurland6413 2 года назад

I’ve got a pair of Savage model 1920’s in 250 and 300 Savage. Very sleek and light rifles with minimal recoil and fabulous performance. Only bad thing about either cartridge is the difficulty in finding brass/ammo :)

@nathanmurtoff99 10 месяцев назад

The 1920 is an interesting rifle. I have yet to see one. Only read about it.

@FarmerTed 2 года назад

Very under appreciated round! Super low recoil and very effective deer round. First gun used by many in our family until ammo so hard to find.

@johnnorman7708 2 года назад

@ Farmer Ted. 300 Savage reloads extremely well. Any decent .308 150 grain bullet and any one of a half dozen medium burn speed rifle powders will work.( IMR 4895 is one of the very best.) And if you have to make brass, it can be done with .308 cases easier than you would believe. Keep that rifle usable. Edit: This cartridge is not powder hungry. About 8 boxes of ammo for a pound of powder is typical. So a lot of hunting and some practice for your investment.

@bdwilcox 2 года назад

@@johnnorman7708 I can attest to the similarity between the .300 Savage and .308 brass. I had a BLR 81' rifle in .308 and our guide used a Model 99 in .300 Savage. While sighting in my rifle, one of the spent cartridges refused to eject. When I finally got the bugger out, I saw it was one of the guide's .300 Savages cartridges I had accidentally fired in my .308. I freaked out when i realized what happened but the rifle was OK and the cartridge worked fine except for the ejection. The interesting thing was how little the brass had changed when fire forming in the .308 chamber. That's how similar they are.

@steelgila 2 года назад

Read a strange comment on one of those forums a couple years back where someone recalled his grandfather turning his .300 Savage in for the newer(back then) and more powerful 7mm magnum. He later regretted the choice exclaiming how the .300 Savage dropped the deer with just one shot! How do you figure that?

@FarmerTed 2 года назад

@@steelgila Having used both extensively, I will say at 300 yards or less the 300 savage is a perfect cartridge for deer out west where we as a family hunts and have never once seen a problem on a good shot. Some in our family push further than that and I feel the 7mm mag is better because of range error estimates and faster. As for me I’ve never felt a shot over 300 yards was necessary or warranted. I’ve moved on to a 6.5x55 because of the lack of ammunition for the 300 and I feel that 6.5 is a great middle ground between it and the 7mm some in the family use. That said all in our family started out on grandpa’s Remington in 300 savage and I don’t see it going anywhere soon.

@johnnorman7708 2 года назад

@@steelgila .300 Savage is fast enough to deliver any advantage speed might have in quick knock downs. But that is a downright elusive factor, and it doesn't always prove itself to truly exist. I read an article years ago that offered up the opinion by experiment that they were getting faster knockdowns with reduced speed handloads by 200 fps in their 7x57 rifle than with full power loads. Go figure. He thought it had to do with the bullet spending more time inside the deer. Sounds like more guessing than science to me. There are some things that defy proving theory to be correct or incorrect.

@joracer1 2 года назад

Love the 99.. I know I always love to hear you thoughts.. Thanks for all you do.. A Challenge for you Ron. This is right up your alley, this will tax all your experience, knowledge and reasoning.... List and examine the best of all these categories just in your opinion, Guns you just love, or regret getting rid of, or they are just plain the best to have. This could be a 10 part series. I'd love to hear it. Think about it. 1 cf lever action rifle 2 gun for varmints 3 gun for big game like elk, moose, grizz 4 side arm for grizz country just in case 5 gun for white tails 6 best rimfire rifle 7 hand gun for white tails, 8 best black powder rifle 9 any gun you want if $$ was no option. 10 most iconic gun in history.

@christophermurphy7113 5 месяцев назад

I have a .300 Savage on a Mauser 93 action, built in 1960 (per the family friend who gifted it to me) by a gunsmith who most definitely knew what he was doing. It remains topped with its original Weaver K4, as I've never seen a reason to change it. A good ol' rifle.

@kennmiller9189 2 года назад

Wow, 7 minutes in and I had to turn it off, so many inaccuracies here- homework was definitely not done for this episode. The Savage family had not sold the business before the 250 Savage was invented, the 250 Savage is not a necked down 30-06, it has no parent cartridge and was truly an original, the 300 Savage was within 40 fps of the 30-06 at the time it was rolled out. Anything the 30-06 could do the 300 Savage could do in 1920. What a mess of an episode, I love that someone is giving the 300 Savage its due, truly an amazing cartridge that I still hunt with today but please get the fact straight before filming this for all to see. Such a disservice to the 250 and 300 Savage and its fans.

@Ifitfitz22 2 года назад

I would love to see (someone else behind the trigger) push 150 gr 308 @ 3000 fps when a .243 has the exact same case and only pushes 100 gr that fast... Unless you have like a 34" barrel or something, I bet you get some primers blowing out the back of that 308

@PaulVerhoeven2 2 года назад

Many reloaders are citing numbers for what is effectively "cartridge"+P+++ as numbers for the cartridge itself. They also claim to load bullets which can ONLY be stabilized by custom, non standard barrels with shorter-than-standard twist rates, and/or require loading one-by-one as they would not fit in a standard mag. Thus 308 with its SAAMI-standard 12" twist can only stabilize pointed bullets up to 180gr (aerodynamically efficient bullets are more often 168-175gr), while 30-06 with its standard 10" twist can stabilize up to 225gr pointed bullets with vastly better BCs and penetration (at the same expansion). None of the non-standard stuff can be found in factory cartridges from reputable manufacturers as no one wants to be bankrupted by lawsuits.

@briansexton1759 2 года назад

i would love to see you and Steve Rinella in a discussion about everything hunting and shooting.

@Wedgetail96 2 года назад

It always has to end up being all about 6.5 man bun. Absolutely sick of hearing this cartridge mentioned in otherwise informative videos.

@johnbarrett7534 2 года назад

I shoot both cartridges, peas in a pod. Both applicable for same range of game.

@dredelcottcryptozooligist4101 2 года назад

No one mentioning the Remington 141, 760 or model 8's....all chambered in 300 savage ☹

@ziruk-king4466 2 года назад

Great stuff from Wyoming

@jackgriffith9229 2 года назад

Mrs. Spomer, I am so sorry to inform but absolutely none of my comments have ever been interesting!!😳

@frankbrowning328 2 года назад

Now you did it. Comparing the 6.5 Creedmoor to the 250 Savage. Blasphemy. HA HA HA! Just kidding. You're right though. The 250 Savage is loaded to lighter pressures and with slightly lighter bullets, but the cases are very similar in size/volume.

@rmjrmj40 2 года назад

My favorite cartridges love them both really all u need in my book .. didn't need the 308 when we had the Savage think it was all politics ..

@PaulVerhoeven2 2 года назад

47,000 psi vs 62,000 psi MAP is not politics, it's physics. Now, replacing 30-06 with 308 was a typical military dumbfuckery and waste. I am sure not without some kickbacks from the Military Industrial Complex.

@maverickpaladin4155 2 года назад

The spitzer bullets didn't appear from Mauser until around 1904, several years after the Spanish American War. Interestingly enough, according to Chuck Hawks, it was actually first designed by the French in 1898. We lifted the Mauser rifle design from the Germans, but by 1904-1906, the Spitzer bullet was already being adopted by a number of countries.

@andymorel4645 2 года назад

Hi Ron, that 300 savage gun is the one I shot my first deer. I was 13 or 14 years old. That gun is still in the family. It is a very good gun. Thank you for the history on that 300 savage, I loved it.

@lcjjr.6714 2 года назад

Excellent informative video Ron. I have a lever action Savage Model 1899 Gentleman’s Gun Takedown Model which came in a nice leather case with a .300 Savage barrel and a .410 shotgun barrel. Beautiful workmanship and a tack driver with the peep site. They made this Takedown Model for easy transport on a train, horse, etc..

@randalljeffs7272 2 года назад

I love this cartridge and the rifles chambered in them. Thanks for a wonderful video.

@nathanlambshead4778 2 года назад

A. Savage was a genius who does not get nearly the recognition he deserves. Not only did he make probably the most accurate lever action of all time, along with other guns. but invented the radial tire also. He may not be John Browning, but he was in the same league in my book.

@Cal9753 2 года назад

He invented and patented a number of things. The Savage 1895/1899, a magnetic tack hammer, a fiber sorting machine, finished the design on a drive-by-wire torpedo, some 22 rifles, belted tire, etc. An actual renaissance man.

@frankgagas9569 2 года назад

I still shoot my old man’s Savage 99 in .308. It’s a great lever gun. Ron, you should ask the Frankford armory folks. Let’s give shout out to the now closed Philadelphia creator of the .308.

@johnbarrett7534 2 года назад

The .300 Savage likely would have been our military round as it passed all Small Arms Trial tests but one. It was found that because of its short neck some bullets were receding back into the case under recoil during machine gun use. Winchester chose to change shoulder angle of .300 Savage and give neck a touch more length for better bullet tension so bullets wouldn't recede. When submitted for testing Winchester called it the .308 Winchester. The changes helped it pass the one test the .300 couldn't. It went on to become very popular with civilians as most military rounds do.

@garyK.45ACP 2 года назад

Correct! The .308 is not a "shortened .30-06" it is a slightly lengthened .300 Savage. Best cartridge ever made for 95% of North American hunting

@stevenlewis6781 2 года назад

Funny how everything goes full circle eventually. Never owned a .308 and never had any intention of owning one. Along comes the POF Revolution DI, a AR-15 chambered in.308. When you stop and consider how rare it is to shoot a thousand yards even at targets and the fact that I would never take an animal at even half that distance, it starts making a lot more sense. I've always thought the 6xc, itself a necked up 22-250, which is the .250-3000 Savage necked down, would be perfect for this platform.

@denniskirsch7783 2 года назад

Absolutely true. After WWII, The U. S. Army wanted a shorter .30 Cartridge to replace the ‘06, and the .300 Savage seemed to fit their needs. But testing showed that for use in automatic weapons the short case neck did not provide enough bullet support and stability. So the case was lengthened, becoming the 7.62 NATO, aka .308 Win. There is also a modest difference in the case shoulder angle. There is no question that the .300 Savage case is the parent of the 7.62/.308 case.

@bobd8553 2 года назад

I see you also buy your flannel from Costco, good taste my friend.

@frankspataro9714 2 года назад

Cousin still lays out whitetail like nothing with old 300 savage open sights and I believe his has the counter on the side either way he breaks her out in doe season and puts the meat down

@joeblowporkhead864 2 года назад

A friend of mine had a 300 Savage in 700 Remington he only shot his reloads , I was very impressed.

@danielmorgan7351 2 года назад

In my part of Idaho the 6.5x55 was a very popular starter calibre.

@lancemiller9110 Год назад

You’re right Ron. It’s crazy that most modern rounds are built on an old case. But let’s not get into the 7.57/30-06 thing tonight. I don’t have enough beers in the fridge to go about this rounds history and its children. Appreciate all your info man!

@dougmccoy1260 2 года назад

The first large rifle I ever saw shot was a 300 Savage. My older cousin got it out to impress us younger guys. A few years later a different cousin got a .270. We went out to shoot jack rabbits on a winter field. He hit two running rabbits in a row, (Years later he confessed to the fact that it was pure luck and he could never do that again). I bought the .270 when I came of age. No regrets.

@timherrera363 2 года назад

My dad killed his biggest buck with a model 99 .300sav at around 500yds with open sights. We have 2 model 99s in the family, my dad's 300sav and my brother's 308win. The 99 Savage is a great rifle for what it's worth.

@toughondirttwo3967 2 года назад

Harvested a Whitetail this last fall with a 300 savage in a Remington model 81 worked fantastic!

@matthewmerritt6844 2 года назад

I love .300 Savage in a 180gr Core-Lock. Sadly, the only thing out there is 150gr stuff from various manufacturers that I've had mixed results with. Usually, the brass likes to separate from the core and can make for some interesting tracking at times. Too bad the days of $15 boxes are long gone. These days, my local shops that can get the cartridge wants $60 flippin' dollars for 20 rounds...

@theoriginalDAL357 2 года назад

60 bucks?!? That's insane! Luckily, .300 Savage brass is easy to make from .308 Win. brass. Of course, this presupposes one handloads, or at least has an acquaintance that does.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 2 года назад

Cast bullets are your friend. I'd recommend the RCBS .30/180 flat nose. You should be able to push it at 2,000-2,100 fps, and inside 200 yards is a real killer that doesn't destroy too much meat.

@kennethtabler3723 2 года назад

Federal 180 grain is available in power shok (Blue Box). Good ammo. Shoots well in my Remington model 760 pump as well as my model 700 even though I handload a 150 grain Hornady interlock for the model 700. 44 grains of Leverevolution will push it over 2,700 fps with a 24 inch factory barrel. Fine Whitetail medicine in anyone's book. Moderate recoil.

@michaelbarlow6062 2 года назад

Love the savage 99 cool gun 👍👍 I was gonna mention the radial tire and savage connection

@apfelsnutz 2 года назад

ALWAYS AN EXCELLENT VIDEO ! THANKS !

@drakerastorfer7555 2 года назад

Love any video that brings in the history of the .250-3000, a real classic and a shame it's almost disappeared. Had no idea about the connection to 6.5 creedmoor. I might be restoring a 250 at some point soon and if I can't save the barrel I think I know what I'll replace it with.

@thehoneybadger8089 2 года назад

The .30-'06 and other cartridges with the same head dimensions like it, including the 1892 7x57mm Mauser, were all based on the 1888 7.9x57mm German Military Commission cartridge. Even the 1889 7.65x54mm Mauser round designed by Paul Mauser for Belgium beat the 7x57mm out of the gate by 3 years.

@bullseyedixon5660 8 месяцев назад

GREAT INFO PRESENTATION THANK YOU SIR

@dalemitchell2006 2 года назад

Love my .300 savage. It's kept the freezer stocked with venison, black bear and a couple of feral texas hogs.

@George-kv6gm Год назад

New to your channel, Ron. Great watching you! Nice to hear someone talk about the .250 Savage. My Dad bought a Model 99 EG with an aperture sight mounted almost on the stock, right above where the metal seats into the wood. This was in the early '50's. I was just starting to hunt a little on our ranch in South-Central Texas. I actually used a wildcat .219 caliber rifle, built with an 1895 (or so) 25/35 rolling block single shot action, and a .219 barrel. OK, I digress. In '59 he bought me a Savage Model 99 EG, and I've used it ever since, quite often. Best handling, shooting gun for deer I've come across, with 100 grain bullets. As you mentioned. Thanks so much for a great video!

@adamcuneo7189 2 года назад

I believe actually the .250-3000 Savage which stands alone as it's own cartridge, I have not seen any sources from Charles Newton himself on what case he used to create the cartridge. I heard from sources that claim the .30-06 is the parent case of the .250 Savage, but I don't know how true that is.

@jamessotherden5909 2 года назад

I really enjoy learning the history of all these cartridges. Thank you.

@RawFeeding101 2 года назад

*Question For You* If my range only goes out to 25yd. how would I sight in my rifle to shoot at 100yd. in 308. I'm running a Savage Apex Predator XP in 308 and plan on going on my first hunt before too long. Is something like this possible?

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Raw, you can come close by using a ballistic calculator and entering your bullet B.C., muzzle velocity, bullet weight, and sight height above bore. Measure from center of scope to center of bore. This is usually in the 1.5" to 1.75" range. Then specify in the calculator that you want to hit dead-on at 100 yards. It will then spit out where your bullet will land at other distances. I just did this with a 150-gr. Speer BTSP at 2,900 fps, scope 1.5" above bore. With a 100 yard zero, this bullet would strike 0.71-inch low at 25 yards. So zero your scope so your bullets at 25 yards hit 0.71" below your aiming point.

@ianriordan6382 2 года назад

The first 8mm Mauser (7.92x57J) was semi-rimmed an had a .318 projectile. The common WW2 8mm Mauser was a rimless .323 round. BTW, I have Savage 99s in 22 Hi-Power, 250-3000 and 308W. All popular here in Aus. My 99c in 308 has an action about a quarter of an inch longer than the earlier ones. 99s were chambered in 243W, 7.08R-P, 284W and 308W, so pressure in lever actions was not an issue in a 100yo rifle.

@bobbyboothe8964 2 года назад

Great information. Thanks

@ericcardinal4788 2 года назад

Ron this was a great video. My favorite rifle cartridges are as follows: 30-06, 308, 30-30, 223 and 22Lr. I have owned multiple rifles in each caliber over the years. I really love the lever action rifles.

@alexpearson8481 2 года назад

Thanks for the comment Eric. I just bought my first rifle and was torn between.308 and Creedmore. Now having mild regrets about going the.308 route. In other videos, Ron seems to paint a clear picture of the .308 being over hyped / substandard. However, many people really like the ‘ol .308. And I see it’s number two for you! Any thoughts Pal? Can the .308 shoot distance, accurately without looking to much steam? (A lot of frontal surface area in the fat bullet)

@ericcardinal4788 2 года назад

@@alexpearson8481 That ol 308 is a pretty fat pig. Now that being said, it will surprise you. It can reach out and touch your target. I would suggest using Winchester Super X or Remington ammunition. Also,make sure you always use the same grain to train with as you are using to hunt with. That way you will know what your 308 can do and no surprises from changing ammo size(grain).

@alexpearson8481 2 года назад

@@ericcardinal4788 thanks, appreciate that. Cheers from Canada.

@foghornleghorn4173 2 года назад

Excellent presentation, now I know. Thank you

@jk-kr8jt 2 года назад

Ron, great video. You promised a 300 Savage video and delivered. Nicely done and very good breakdown of the cartridge and touched on the genius of Arthur Savage. Thanks. I've had a love/hate relationship with the 99 since childhood. Now it's just love. But they are difficult to work on. Definitely need a gunsmith who knows what they are doing. I agree that the Savage was the "idea" behind the 308. I've always figured that the military wanted a "new" cartridge to bring out to the USA and USMC at that time for it's "new" rifle. Remember they wanted to introduce this to NATO as an all new round. They need high pressure to help in the operation of fully automatic weapons, this excluded the Savage. Not that the case won't handle 62k but that civilians would get ahold of surplus ammo and use it in their "springy" 99's. Just unfortunate that the 308/7.62 NATO pushed the 300 Savage into the dustbin of history. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Jeff.

@johngalt7818 8 месяцев назад

I always learn some thing when I watch your videos, Ron. Thank you for all you do.

@bustabass9025 2 года назад

Both got lost in the wash for me, deer hunting with .35 Remington and .30-06, back in the day. One of my hunting buddies swore by the .300 Savage in the 70s. By that time, I had discovered 7 Rem Mag, and never looked back.

@troy9477 2 месяца назад

Small fact correction: as far as anyone knows, the Spanish were shooting the 175 gr RN 7x57 military load at us in the war. I don't think any spitzer loads existed yet. The new German 154 gr spitzer 8x57 load (Spitzgeschoss) came out in 1905, and inspired the change from 30-03 220 gr RN (surplus Krag bullets- military ordnance people really were extra frugal back then) to 30-06 150 gr spitzer, with a slight neck change. I assume the word spitzer comes from the German word spitzgeschoss. Anyway, the Mauser trajectory and effective range was better than the Krag, and the stripper clip loading system was fast and effective. (I wouldn't be surprised at all if soldiers fumbled loose ammo under stress- hard to avoid sometimes). I think (key word) 7x57 139 gr spitzer loads came out around 1908. That would make sense, given the German and US switch in 1905 and 1906. I don't have my reference books with me right now to confirm. The Swedes did not switch until the 1930's, interestingly. Anyway, great how u linked the 6.5 needs more to the 250 Savage. The 300 has always seemed to me to be a 250 yard gun. It seems slightly faster with the newer powders. Certainly, 2-3 generations of hunters made good use of it. I have and love a 99 in 308. Would like to find one in 300 so i could compare them. Only about a thimbleful of difference with 150 or 165 gr bullets, i am sure. Some source material indicates that the Winchester and military design team started with a 300 Savage cartridge and studied the ballistics, since it was the size they wanted. It was smart to design a new cartridge. Even if they had just raised the pressure in the 300 Savage to achieve desired velocity, they would have had to make dimensional changes in order to prevent it from chambering in Savage rifles. So, as you pointed out, they did the smart thing, lengthened the neck a little, gave it some taper for reliable feeding in semiautos and machine guns, and raised the pressure. Interestingly, the commercial debut of the 308 Win was in 1952, 5 years before the 7.62x51 was made a NATO standard with the M14. Both the cartridge and the rifle were ramrodded through by Col. Rene Studler, over the FAL and a 7mm cartridge and the promising 280 British and their EM-2 bullpup, but that is another story......

@patrickmcmahon785 2 года назад

My father in law has a 300 Savage in a pump action. It’s his favorite deer rifle and I’ve spoke to many other old school hunters and they agree it’s one of the best ever created. Good luck these days getting the ammo. Shame.

@hamishbarker4117 2 месяца назад

Good video, Ron. I'm a bit late commenting, but the Savage 99's did make the transition to 308 Winchester and other high-pressure cartridges so they could handle the pressure. Around cool guns with cool history. Thanks again for the video.

@TommyboyGTP 2 года назад

I'd like to see the 250 Savage make a comeback.

@timbaskett6299 2 года назад

What's kind of funny though. Look at the .300 Savage, and the .308 Winchester, then look at the .260 Remington and the 6.5mm Creedmoor. As far as a .30 cal wildcat goes, I'd like to make a smaller diameter case that shoots a 150gr bullet at the same velocity that a 7.62x39mm shoots a 123-5gr bullet (2350fps) or a 123-5gr bullet at the same speed that the 7.62x51mm NATO shoots a 147-150gr bullet (2750fps).

@paulberkland6197 2 года назад

I'm sure I'm not the first but, YOU DON'T HAVE A SAVAGE 99??? lol one of my absolute favorites. I'm on my third on in 300 savage, finally found a decent one in takedown configuration. My wife LOVES her 250 savage.

@kevingary7018 2 года назад

Thanks for the info, I like my 308. With the technology of today, it's easy to learn to shoot straight - mankind mainly seems troubled with the ethics.

@richardstalcup4986 2 года назад

An interesting note to this, some later models of the 99 were chambered for .243 Winchester, .308 Winchester and .358 Winchester. Thanks for the informative video.

@shawntailor5485 Год назад

Thanks Ron ! Grampas 99 been making venison steaks for 3 generations now , became mine at twelve . I think 33 dollars in sears roebuck?circa 1921 . gramps wore the barrels OFF 2 3.dollar .22 deringers in his lifetime for just traping kills. Keep up the great videos Ron hopefully it'll inspire ammo production and a Resurrection of a great .30 cal you could shoot from your nose ,as pa would say .. kind to shoulder.

@jeff0nyschuk670 2 года назад

I have 2 300sav,,,1 is a lever 99 Savage, with a 2 to 7 power Bushnell scope and the other is a Savage Pump, 300sav,the 99 was my grandfather's then my dad's & now mine,,both shoot very well at a 100 yards, But I only use the Pump,,Because alive & I don't get along,

@MrJtin69 2 года назад

Id love of episode about the 325 wsm as its a damn fine 8mm

@russellmoore1046 Год назад

Bought a 99 takedown about two years ago in 300 savage. 1927 production if I remember right love this thing. Recoil is starting to become a thing for me as I get older. For some reason the Savage even loaded to the max doesn't kick as hard as a 308. I settled on a 165 Hornady and a less than max load of RL-15 for about 2500 fps More than enough for deer or hogs.😢

@GreatWhiteWonder 2 месяца назад

Does anybody know a reliable website to buy 300 Savage ammo??? It's become non-existent in the gun stores

@lylewalters909 Год назад

Call me crazy but I wanted to take a model 99 and put a new barrel on it using the 300 savage case but necked to a Ackley Improved 257cal. A short 25-06 that can shoot the long 131gr bullet. Idk I'm sure it's close to something that's been done before but not in a model 99.

@stevendonnalammar4422 Год назад

I had a Remington 760 chambered in 300 Savage for about a year. I really love that rifle but the reason I sold it was the 300 Savage cartridge had about the same if not less power than my 30-06, with just about the same amount of recoil. However a box of ammunition was almost double the price of a box of 30-06, since I'm not a reloader I just didn't see the payoff and owning that round.

@mikecollard3783 2 года назад

300 Savage in a Remington 722 or 700 is superior to the M99. I'll engage in fisticuffs with anyone who says otherwise.

@Jagdtyger2A Год назад

I always thought that the IS Military made a big mistake when it chambered the M1 Carbine in that pathetic .30 carbine round instead of 300 Savage. In all, And the same production lines used for the >30-06 could be used to make the 200 Savage without tooling up for a special cartrifge respects performance would have been better and the same

@robertfree1908 2 года назад

Do not have any experience with a 300 Savage but a very informative and enjoyable video nonetheless. Thank you!

@FAtE_454 2 года назад

Look at the shoulder angle 😂 give it a bit and the pendulum will swing back to 30s and they'll make a "30 creedmoor" that's just a 300 savage.. kinda like a 6 creed is a 243AI with a faster twist barrel spec