30 odd years on and this guy still can’t admit what he did! All this nonsense “I forgot I had a knife” “I didn’t realise I had stabbed him” & “I just grabbed a random coat and it was in the pocket” … get real mate. Face up to it pal you knew exactly what you were doing and what you did. Until you at least hold your hands up and stop with the bullshit excuses how can you move on? All the love and respect at the end… wtf? Yeh you go and enjoy your life Alan your very lucky to have one!
Still can’t even own up to his offence even after 32 years inside 😂 I used the same defence during a section 18 case involving a screwdriver but luckily the witnesses didn’t turn up so I didn’t have to try and sell them that story 😂
@MR BOYDER "he would SMASH you to bits in seconds....." Oh shit, he can beat me up so I must give him a pass for murdering an innocent man. If Alan Lord was a sex offender would you be running to his defense?
To go through that and to come out with your mind intact is quite something , I don't think many would have the strength and determination to pull that off , it shows something about the human ability to survive , I know I couldn't , he is one tough man ! .
I get where you're coming from , but I am talking about his ability to be a stubborn bastard , that's what some people use to win wars , climb mountains , or lift cars off their kids , I know he,s a murderer , but if he had been given the right advice and pushed down the right path , he could have been something better , a lot better , we as a society had better look after our kids .
All the best Alan.Great story’s my favourite one so far James. No doubt you will keep a lot of young men from going through the system and turning there life’s around. Every town needs a Alan 👍👍
Great podcast James!! I’ll leave those comments there about him talking shite about the knife cos I still think that but fair play to this bloke he did own what he did and was sorry even for the jury lol!! Trying to say he remembers it was Saturday 30 years ago but couldn’t remember he had a knife in his parker going on a robbery total bullshit!!! Apart from that this was great!!!!
Moral of the story is, doing a robbery with a knife, even for warning purposes, can totally ruin peoples lives. And once we are at last 3rd of our lives, people that kill, have to carry the sin and guilt to our graves. Which must be soul destroying...
TOMMY Dahlqvist this is what makes me questions Lord’s repentance. Claims he had no idea how a knife slipped into his hand then into someones chest. Then also draws the race card immediately to pull at viewers heart strings to justify carrying a knife. Also was the jeweler not allowed to fight back or for his life? Lord makes out he was justified as he “got a bit of a hiding”. Sadly although Lord has no doubt had a very unloved upbringing that led to his criminality. The lack of remorse does make me think he may possibly be a sociopath. And English and Attwood have both failed to spot this.
Has to stick to the script. He's still on Life licence. He's done his Bird,Haard Bird at that. Lets see any haters doing the amount of Solitary confinement he' done and come out the other end as whole ad he is. The Block and Monster mansions etc do things to our heart,minds and very Souls beyond most peoples comprehension. God Bless Alan Lord! It's because of him and certain others that all these spoilt bastards in British jails atm don't have to shit in newspaper and hoy it out of the window,have tv in their pads and lots of other rights and priveleges. Ffs, we didn't even have a radio as schoolboys on I wing in Strangeways.
@@yahafftalaff337 yh, I remember slopping out at recess, as convicted under 21 on E wing, the over 21 remand nonces and rule 43ers had half of top landing E4 fenced off, I was landing cleaner, and managed to get past fence sometimes and nonces would ask me pass burn, drugs to other nonces, I got loads of stuff and never passed anything on to anyone, they kept asking me, good times in a shit 2d up cell , doing spots of sputnik through a pentube,got moved to stokeheath Tuesday before the riots, could feel the tension in the prison before I left.
@@yahafftalaff337 I also had a couple of good jobs on E wing , first was in clean clothes in shower block, I'd sell best blue shirts to lads for quarter Oz burn, and the skint lads got nasty lime colour shirts and shit jeans,cos didn't get blue white stripe shirts till turn into a con at 21 yrs old, then moved onto servery and E1 cleaner, loads of sugar to sell, and buns, a bent screw called Barrett sacked me, cos I had a fight in the recess, he just turned up, seen bit of blood, Cos I didn't tell him who I fought with, he brought 2 lads to my cell at 8 or 9 clock who were getting shipped out next morning to do me in, but I knew these lads, and they knew I wouldn't just take a beating easily, so they give me a half Oz of burn, he'd paid them an Oz each to do me, so I pretended to moan and shout as if I receiving a beating, next morning I'm sat between 2 tea urns and he said good morning to me, I said it was good morning till I seen your Dodgy bent effin face, that was it, stand up, get behind your door, lost the job, back up on the landings, 2d up with a lad called O'Keefe who just got recommended 18 yr for mugging and killing a taxi driver, you never think he had it in him, he exact spitting image of , rock on Tommy, cannon and ball, small one with black hair and moustache.
I remember Alan lord when I was in donnycraz in Doncaster.he was such a good man.i remember it was my first time in and Alan was doing his routine,I asked her too move,he just looked at me and carried on what he was doing.i got pally with a Stan Dunn another lifer.but I would really like too meet him and congratulate him on his achievement.thank you Graham oliver
I didn't buy any of it, about the knifing, he was trying to be articulate, and be all nice, you knew you were going out with the knife, then you want us to believe you didn't know you knifed him, then you were imprisoned and become a known trouble causer, fighting and disrupting
By the time I finished give us the “brief” I’d stabbed him Yeye whatever lol I don’t believe any of it he defiantly knew the knife the was there aswell no mistake
I used to workout in his gym..Als gym..this guy was a gentleman and showed me the ropes in the gym and thus changed my life for ever for the better.. he never mentioned his past or played the hard man. This guy worked out HARD his warm ups were about 1000 reps and lasted an hour. Top bloke Shane his gym shut down
this man and thrm other riot inmates changed the law..back then they usto plod u with the liquid cosh and beat thr f..k out of you while you was just out of ya brain you couldnt move ya eyelids i heard the riot was bad the things them inmates did was not human they beat the f..k out of the screws they grabbed the nasty ones and abused them shoved chair legs up there ars pissed on them shit on them did qllsorts 2 them but yanno what it was f..k all compaired 2 what they was doing 2 them inmates sometimes it takes a bad thing 2 stop a bad thing...ever heard there is not good without bad well its rite a bad thing has 2 happen for us 2 no a good 5hing as happend cos otherwise we woulfnt say or thats good or nice cos we wouldnt have anything 2 compaire it 2 iff there was no such thing as bad bad things like nonces graces ans murders and bad robberys iff there was no such thing as bad things like that if sum1 stole a pint of milk they would say this man needs a life sentence cos we would think that was a very bad thing when realy its not but we only no that cos of the bad stuff that goes on...look at things in a diff way cos u can se why stuff happends
AWSOMW PODCAST, AWESOME BOOK, and please make the film, try asking GUY RICHIE OR SHANE MEADOWS as both of those are into this kinda gig. I am a reformed criminal over 20 years now and relate to Alan so much. We all make mistakes just some more than other, and he who cast the first stone is no better than the secound. This is one of the best podcast shows period.
Really enjoyed this one James what a story, glad to see Alan had turned his life around and wish him all the best with the book and the film. You are going from strength to strength and i am so pleased for you mate well deserved.
5:33 "We followed him. It was not my actual intention to be involved in any physical confrontation, even though I had a knife on me" 7:13 Just happened to pick a coat up with a knife in it 7:23 "Systematically, as I tapped him on the shoulder I just took the knife out" Oh shit, it's all just an accident... The title is misleading as well. He did not get 32 years for murder. He got 15 years. Those 17+ years extra were for 2x escape attempts, being a ringleader in a prison riot and bad behaviour
Love to see part two this guy is class 2020 only come across this from you mentioning him james . Best pod cast going keep it up brother . 27 dec 2020 its a james pod cast
Heavy rabbler Alan, a wee tip for you see if your gonna talk macaroni dont keep saying "to be perfectly honest" coz we can see right through you. Thats me 10 mins in so no doubt al be updating this. BENNY HARVEY RIP
I can tell you are sensitive person who's probley never been out in the streets playing just in your back garden looking at everyone having fun but don't let that still affect you. You poor sod
On lots of these podcasts the guests show typical easily read lie indicators. That's why they went to prison in the first place.errrrrrrrrm... (not the only reason).......But there are alot truths too. Sometimes I thing they are just instant editing because some shit can't be said.
I was in Doncaster with Alan Lord. A really quiet polite guy. Didn't have anything in his cell not even a mattress. His mantra was if you've got nothing they cant take anything off you
@@markluxon5044 hi Mark I think I remember you,were you on the outside works party with officers Ron Dunn and Alan Beetham?I do remember your name.hope that all is going well in your life?do you still live in Doncaster?get back in touch please.
Strange how going to prison for life and taking part in a riot has got this guy a book & movie deal, His story is no diffrent to 100s of people in every city, only diffrence is the exposure he has got through the BBC documentary on the riot. trying to portray himself as some kind of prison reformist is laughable. his story could be wrote on half a page...
same old prison life there's thousands of bad cons in jail over the years that have done all sorts but keep it down and don't boast about it could have got book n film about what they've been through .
It's easy to judge this man and that would be understandable for his crimes, I'm interested in his child hood, there is decades of evidence that neglect and abuse of children can lead to a negative adult life.
James watched this guy on Shaun’s podcast and I have to say yours was far better my friend. You just let him talk and rarely interrupted him and just let him tell his story well done mate keep up the good work. PS you don’t answer back much now the price of be popular 😂😂😂
I’m from Birkenhead and I don’t suppose that’s any great shakes, but anyway here we go. I’m not biggin anyone up.! I haven’t watched this yet so maybe I’m talking before time. I would just like to say what Paul Taylor done for the prison system regarding prisoners was immense.! Due to him and his cohorts rioting at strangeways it radically brought about more humane conditions for prisoners. No more slop out, toilets in cells, not being banged up 3 in a cell, if ya put 3 dogs in a kennel together the RSPCA would be in uproar. I’m telling ya what Alan Lord Paul Taylor and I’m sorry I don’t remember the other two lads names who stuck it out and stuck two fingers up to the establishment plus the rest of the lads who went up there. If it wasn’t for them we’d still be living in the dark ages. I think Taylor got another 10 years for this, he was only doing a 4 at the time. I hope Thatcher is turning in her grave. Somehow I doubt it.
Only two ex-cons that I know have spoken honestly. I wouldn’t spend a penny on his story. Of course another “reformed” criminal that blames everything else but themselves. A very violent man and doesn’t appear to have remorse for his actions only the effect it’s had on him
God Bless Alan Lord. What a Powerful story. As the young cons sit on their loo as the tv in the cell keeps them sane and they go without their bellies rumbling with hunger,they should smile and offer up a prayer for Alan Lord, Paul Taylor and many like them who through their battle against a once barbaric system initiated the Woolf Report which resulted in the home comforts that prisoners enjoy today. Unfortunately imo the privatisation of HMP Service is the worst thing that could've happened. Human beings have now become chattels and the cost of keeping them is kept to the bare minimum in order to make profit for the likes of S4G. I used to hate the POA (Prison Officers Association) with a vengeance, but looking at the results of its disbandment and the breakdown of order in todays Private jails, have to admit, begrudgingly☹ that they kept order. In the meantime, to all young jailbirds 🙈🙉🙊! It's the only way to survive. And remember...Spice is💩💩👹 Z
yahaffta laff I actually agree with you,my incarceration back in the day was the old school slop outs,piss pots and shit parcels era,prison issue clothes were a air cadets itchy jacket and pants,no toilet in your cell no phones no shower no microwave no fridge etc,closed visits and a beating down the chokey, run by screws in the old POA,head lice scabies,hepatitis,mice and rats,sewing mail bags and 24 hr bang up,it was horrendous but that was then,me and me mates had our own roof top demo in the early 80s in Risley,AKA the griz,it was against conditions but really a disorganised reaction to getting a beating and not being fed,amongst other things,obviously we smashed the gaff up but came down after a couple of days,nothing to write home about,what Lordy Paul and the lads done at strange ways did change the system,my experience with strange ways was way back in 1975, I walked across what was known as the ten bob(centre) and was on the end of a terrible beating,by the screws,a cunt,excuse my french,,was called teddy bear,due to his fatness and red head,he administered many a hiding,I was only a kid then,I was put in the block by an al bath house,and locked in for 5 days ,anyhow enough shite from me, I knew Alan from my jail days and I just want to say good luck for the future your book and your life,nice lad,end of,
@@MylotheMask u come across ma name checking if any your pals are in, geez a laugh n let us awe now how the convo went when use were talking about the sex offenders wing go ya heavy roaster
You can see this man could have achieved anything he put his mind to. It's just a shame things went the way they did and snowballed. Hes clearly a very switched on intelligent individual and a natural leader.
I live in bolton and remember lordy jumping threw windows in t/Moor, he also hid in a coal shed. Unbeatable he escaped from our local cop shop. It seems like yesterday, the press made him out to be a right piece of shit, but listening to the man, i don't think so.. I new a lad who was put on E wing due to the over crowding, when the riot kicked off he almost got linched. They thought he was a beast - lad was in for burglary.. Amen.
Stop watching after he tried to (unconvincingly, may I add) explain way he "accidentally" stab a man he was trying to rob. WoW, if he's just owned up to it would of gave his story a chance. But nahh
Still listening through but thought no time to waste, I need to get the message out there.... Alan you need to ditch the slazenger gear, every nonce sting near enough they are sporting slazenger, its a bad look m8. Just saying.
great interview!!! his story from 'fist' to 'pen' is authentic, raw and informative, paralleling conditions in US prisons throughout the same historical timeframes, from riots to reform.
When Alan lord was talking about certain events i wish the interviewer had gone deeper into the subject instead of asking a different question about something else. But fascinating story.
Alan now has a gym in Radcliffe near Bury. I’ve been looking forward to this podcast for a while. I’ve noticed Janes and Shaun Attwood seem to have the same guests on are you guys working together?
you all see just this version of alan but trust me, in real life high security prison situations amongst some very very dangerous other top security prisoners, alan stood out not like u see him here - but as a one off guy who was apart from everyone and who absolutely everyone avoided ever clashing with. mainly cos al was quiet and kept apart doing his own time his own way. but also because they all knew alan wasnt ever to be dissed. as i say mainly because his mentality was NEVER aggressive or looking for confrontation etc but his physical presence and innate capacity was of something nobody else could calculate for. a very strange phenomenon was alan in that sense. never tried or even did threaten anyone that i know whilst i was there ever cos he gave the impression of being something apart. hard to explain. as i say ud have to have known him in those situations to get it. it totally DOES NOT come across in these interviews etc
okay let me periodically tell you a few things about al he will prob never say himself cos thats just him. you dont get to know al thru these types of interviews but this guy was REALLY a very powerful man and also very impressive in person in real life prison situations. very quiet and composed but also really really had his own enigma that only he had
alan became my best mate and training partner ( or should i really say instructer al? lol) in frankland prison. very quiet man but with a kind of innate lethality because of his size ( muscles) and being so contained. this interview - and even alans own personality do not in even the slightest way bring across just how so many years containment and his situation developed in al what i always assumed was a cold rage against such circumstances which we all just felt was alans staunch barrier against the world. great man though and i do not say that lightly. nobody ever said boo to alan even in jest ( cept me of course cos i always reckoned i could outrun him. haha) but not out of any kind of fear despite his incredible size and power but because everyone sensed his implacable spirit and insurmountable steadfastness against any type of attempted confrontation. i could write a whole book on training with alan never mind all the rest. gary
I love these podcasts to gain understanding of this life and the criminals thinking but this comment section is horrible, way too many people idolising this bloke. He’s a murderer, don’t forget that.
@@rickhardman7376 Like I said, he’s very interesting and has a good story but people saying he’s a nice bloke are absolutely backwards. He took away somebody’s dad, son, brother.
@@zacbro2841 Yes and paid the price ... He's spent the best days of his life in prison and didn't get out until his 50's he served a lot longer then some killers.... Justice was served... He regrets what he did
i first saw this guy training, no steds, just natural, like everyone else i was awed by how he worked out. cos i worked on the gardens next to him everyday and people who know me know i can talk lol so we started chatting training. i knew he was a one off but he began convincing me i could do the workouts he did. which believe me were incredible feats of physical demands
me aand al worked together in frankland on the gardens and then became training partners altho he was alwqays better than me in training he trained me to a level which was sort of unbelievable and he had me doing workouts that he did so i became very very powerful . thats how good he was. i grew up in the system and knew many very dangerous and lethal people. he was in a category all of his own. speaking as someone who could be lethal myself i can tell you that keeping that part of urself contained generally means keeping it apart from even urself, al did it just naturally and where u may all see it as false in some respects with him it wasnt. just his way of keeping it seperate so that it never could get out of hand. u see a nice guy which he is but al also took no crap and that was the job of his internal lethal integrity which dealt with any physical problems whilst he ensured it never never became warped within his mental and social balance in his mind. a hugely complex task he does with a natural ability. if u get my drift
58 mins in " i no it doesnt sound real does it, i had the keys for 5 weeks and used to go in and out my cell door" Naw yeh didny Alan bcoz you could have 100 sets a keys you still canny open the door from the inside so gonnay please take the extra cheese off they whoppers mate
Your right on that one has I spent 15 years in prison and the only time I was able to open and close my cell door was when I was in open prison so I can hands down say he’s chatting SHIT FULL STOP..so how much is made up to what was real not saying shit don’t go down/on as it does but why tell a out right lie when anyone that’s even been locked up in a police station knows you can’t open any cell door from the inside..I’m not even gonna bother wasting my time in even watching as how much truth is he really specking!
@@meichong8278 impossible mate yes, the hatch is designed so you cant even fit your head out, also the only cells that have a hatch instead of a spyhole is suicide watch. I have heard nowadays that anybody charged with a murder goes on a watch but defo not 39 yrs ago
@I am so Thursday Gaming u can't have a£1000 a day habit, there not enough time in the day to smoke that much, or even cooked up , itd take a full 24 hours , u wouldn't have time to make the money to get the grand worth of dark
