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Do you need speedy reactions and simple coding? Then, interrupts are a good thing to use. And, because interrupts have things in common with deep-sleep, we will also dig into that topic. And we will find some “Secrets of the ESP32”. For sure, we will look “under its hood.”
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@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

At 15:20 I mixed micro with milliseconds. As you can see on the oscilloscope it is milliseconds

@noweare1 4 года назад

No big deal. It takes me an even longer time to wake up : )

@Build_the_Future 4 года назад

Can you do a video on CAN bus? Also check out my channel if you want to see me build a two-legged walking robot. Enjoy

@techfuture9846 4 года назад

This inconsistency and delays you are showing is not a problem of ESP32, it's a problem of Arduino porting for ESP32. Just use ESP-IDF directly and redo the experiments - results will be completely different ;)

@movax20h 4 года назад

@@techfuture9846 The 150ms of delay after wakeup to actual code running is probably issue with bootloader.

@techfuture9846 4 года назад

@@movax20h, I'm talking about the pure interrupt response time, jitter, etc. The wakeup time is different beer.

@jackm416 4 года назад

How lucky we all are that these super well-produced, interesting and informative videos are available to view at our leisure. What a world we all live in! Thank You Andress!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you for your nice words!

@Andyinater 4 года назад

Truly. I am able to pursue a life passion project through stitching together knowledge from a collection of great youtubers, with Andreas a shining example. You make the world a better place :)

@azreal629 4 года назад

Agreed, great video!

@KarmaDonyo 3 года назад

This is the second video I've watched by Andreas, and I subscribed after watching the first few minutes of this. With so much bad information out there, this channel is a breath of fresh air. So much to unpack in this video. I'll be watching it again and again, thank you Andreas.

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

Welcome aboard the channel!

@KarmaDonyo 3 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess thanks Andreas, I have my seat in the front row

@SuperMrHolland 4 года назад

As always a pleasure to watch. I like that you are not only focusing on hardware, but also explains how to utilize software to make project simple and easy to make

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

My pleasure!

@TheModelmaker123 4 года назад

Great Topic, The ESP32 has so many new features, performance advantages and value over the Arduino. For the hobbyist, one platform can serve many projects . Your post make the transition worth attempting. Keep them coming!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

And it has Wi-Fi, which the most important difference for me.

@difegam3 4 года назад

Thank you for the explanation... You are really making a valuable content. I'm already sitting in the first row waiting a next video.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Than) you!

@arthurdescamps564 4 года назад

Thank you ! Perfect timing ! We were just running into random crashes yesterday with our encoders running off ESP 8266. Cleaning up the interrupt functions based on your advises solved our issue ! For the little story, We are building a 4DOF motion platform using salvaged standing desk electric pistons and ESPs. Such a great content every time ! Thanks again !

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad the video helped! Enjoy your project!

@santorcuato 4 года назад

Thanks Andreas, you ever find the way to make it clear and easy to understand. The two channel osciloscope trick is really interesting, but this is part of your very high end workshop...

@ximonx 4 года назад

You could use a logic analyser, you can pick them up for cheap these days 👍

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

And 2 channel oscilloscopes are also quite cheap these days. No need for the one I have...

@myksmith 4 года назад

Brilliant video. Exactly what I wanted. And excellent overview for the beginner or even the experienced. I worked on embedded systems 15 years ago - we used microcontrollers, GPS, cellular comms, and used this to create telematics devices installed on John Deere and Liebherr equipment (and others). We read the CAN bus, and used interrupts for things like movement, engines turning on and other interrupts. Since then I've been doing product management, and now I'm getting back into this level of coding... and was depressed that Arduinos don't have good interrupts and sleep. Your video has brought me back up to speed SUPER quickly, helping me restore my memory from tape, and quickly jumpstarting me with a new microcontroller board.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

So have fun with your future projects!

@yayser 2 года назад

Greetings from Turkey Andreas, I just wanted to thank you for all the great videos you have put out here on the channel. I can't imagine what I would do without you. Loved the cat btw :)

@AndreasSpiess Год назад

Thank you for your kind words!

@bgable7707 3 года назад

Great job of using the KISS principle, Keep It Simple S.... Silly. This is the most straight for explanation of ISRs, aka, AST as we know them on our beloved VAX-32s. Thanks for showing us all your amazing "scope" work! I'm REALLY enjoying your 2020 video's along with all the others, VERY HELPFUL!!!

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

Glad you like my stuff! I only sold VAX computers, I never programmed them :-( At least the biggest I sold was a VAX9000 for 10 million Swiss Francs. At that time maybe 25 million dollars...

@christopherguy1217 4 года назад

Great video, very informative. Thank you for all the work you put in to producing this.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

My pleasure! Glad you liked it.

@PhG1961 4 года назад

Well done ! Indeed interesting, again I've learned something new.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

That is my hope for every video. I also learned something unexpected about the ESP32

@noweare1 4 года назад

Geat work Andeas, just purchased my first esp32 and I have a lot of catching up to do : )

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Indeed. Enjoy!

@MrAtom631 4 года назад

Very informative, thanks!! I will need this in near future, so it is just on time :)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@HariWiguna 4 года назад

Advanced topic explained with just enough info for practical use. Great job Andreas!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!, Hari.

@adaminsanoff 4 года назад

Amazing, Herr Spiess! We can not thank you enough!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you like it!

@stephensimmons1537 4 года назад

Just got my adafruit esp32 feather in the mail today first video I find is this and what a great video!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Enjoy your journey. You find a lot of ESP32 videos on this channel...

@PileofKyle 4 года назад

Amazingly presented, Just as I received my first ESP32 in the mail!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Enjoy!

@czarekcz1097 4 года назад

Mr Spiess, I enjoy your presentations and like this one too. Thank you for all your effort and shared knowledge. There are several reasons why CPU like this one may have long interrupt latency. One of them (and it is a Real Time limitations of large processors like multicore Intel and ARM) is cache coherency. Simple, interrupt code maybe not present in cache and other current content of the cache need to be saved before reloading new one to/from RAM. For vary fast approach, user need to instruct compiler (I dont know how to do it at ESP32 yet) to keep interrupt service routine (if short) permanently in cache. This is typical approach for RT Linux for example.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are right. There are a few other comments pointing in your direction,. too

@fredbcarneiro 4 года назад

Ok, one thing: thank you for identing your code in a proper way!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I use ctrl-T ;-)

@BenMitro 4 года назад

Very good summary Andreas, thanks.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@ddavid2 3 года назад

I did a great discovery when I found your channel with such professional analysis!

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

Welcome aboard the channel!

@PatrickZeiler 4 года назад

Great overview of IRQ usage on esp32, thank you!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@RobBarter 4 года назад

Thank you for pointing me towards the Otii. Now have one and it is becoming an essential piece of kit. Especially now I’m investigating why my new custom board is using 1mA more than it should be

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad I was helpful!

@DuongTrongHue 4 года назад

Your video is both useful and interesting. Great job!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you think so!

@leadeddeveloper9575 4 года назад

Thank you for sharing your knowledge with community!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

My pleasure!

@nosafetyswitch9378 4 года назад

This video helped a lot! I wanted to monitor my PV panel energy harvesting using an ESP8266 and an arduino DUE (i know, not ebergy efficient but thats what I had lying around). Before th is video they were consuming 210mA and up to 250mA when publishing the measurements. Now i modified the sketch so that the DUE is always asleep (by pull down resistor on reset) and only wakes up for 3 sec (by the ESP) to measure and transmit the data to the ESP then go to sleep again. The ESP then (after connecting) publishes the data and goes to sleep for 20 sec or so. The result is that during sleep they both consume on 38mA and only 100mA when the ESP is awake. Only 3 seconds of 200mA now which easily runs this 24/7 on a single 18650 cell and for several days! Thanks for the insight!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Nice project!

@tonysfun 4 года назад

You are right again! But the main think is that the rest is perfect! My friend Hari is gonna love this - I love this sample also! Thank you Andreas!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome! I hope your lockdown also will end soon...

@tonysfun 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess In god old NEBRASKA, we had a minimal closedown and even the mall open last Friday! I hope governments get smart and reopen everything ASAP! People will not go, if they are in the risk group, like me and my wife, since we don't want to get sick! People are much smarter than government thinks! I think we OVERDID this, but now is time to reopen everything and let business control everything they know how! I hope your finger gets well soon and you are also being able to do whatever you did before this crappy virus! Good luck and stay safe!

@stevew9945 3 года назад

Another outstanding video, many thanks for your efforts

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

My pleasure!

@aspuzling 4 года назад

It would be interesting to see a video on using the ULP core for running code without waking up the ESP32. Would be nice to explore the possibilities and limitations of the ULP core.

@aspuzling 4 года назад

Silly me, of course you have already made such a video! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--QIcUTBB7Ww.html

@thepanda666 4 года назад

Great info! thank you. I'll def use this next time.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@RCWalletVacuum 8 месяцев назад

Informative videos AND kitties!? What a combo!

@AndreasSpiess 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! 😊

@phillipneal8194 4 года назад

Bravo ! Another wonderful video.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Many thanks!

@klassichd10 4 года назад

Thanks a lot for your effort, your experiments, the video and the explanations. And we are now back to the same question we discussed when the ESP32 became availabe: How to use the different cores for different tasks in Arduino IDE , e.g. to decouple WiFi. Up to now I did not find a solution. This is why my counter at the water meter still uses 2 pcs ESP8266. One just for counting and tranferring data via HW-serial without any WiFi output and the second for analyzing the data and communication with my home automation system. Not very elegant, but runs very stable, uptime 657 days since the last blackout caused by road construction works.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I think this is a good concept. Or use a little HW for time critical tasks.

@TYGAMatt 4 года назад

Hi. What a great video. I think you may have just solved my esp32 interrupt crashing issues. I will test your code tomorrow. FYI I'll be using it for a speedometer.

@TYGAMatt 4 года назад

Update: the Frequency_Counter_with_Interrupt.ino seems to run fine. A little inaccurate at really low rpm (60rpm for example) but good at high rpm. Maybe some smoothing required. Now trying to use time between pulses so work out rpm. Not going to plan yet ;)

@alexandern8671 4 года назад

Thank you for another interesting and instructive video Andreas. >edit: went through the comments and found this was already reported, sorry I just wanted to add that RTOS seems indeed to be a culprit for the interrupt response latency and jitter. I think that attachInterrupt actually hooks up not to the interrupt controller but to an RTOS callback function. This function is entered the queue of RTOS tasks, and get executed after the completion of all the previous tasks only. Apparently it is possible to get a fast interrupt response when programming using noOS SDK from Espressif but I did not try this yet.

@noweare1 4 года назад

That's a mistake then. It's an interrupt and should have a higher priority than a normal task.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

@Alexander: Maybe I will have once a closer look into RTOS...

@Quemedices684 2 года назад

I don’t get it… Arduino is by no means RTOS, and it has no callbacks or other real time capabilities

@alexandern8671 2 года назад

@@Quemedices684 ESP32 Arduino calls various functions that are built around Espresif's SDK that in turn uses RTOS for WiFi operations. If one does not need WiFi or software timers then no RTOS is involved indeed.

@electronic7979 4 года назад

Very helpful video. I liked it

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad to hear that

@niklas4401 4 года назад

Interesting as Always!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you think so!

@willy.verbiest 4 года назад

Very well explained in detail

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@ingusestons6480 4 года назад

TNX for your work!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

My pleasure!

@jamesgoacher1606 4 года назад

Very interesting and I believe this will be useful to me.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad to hear that!

@cleberam 4 года назад

@Andreas, I detach the interrupt at the beginning of the ISR on my Dimmer control, it's only 60Hz and an ESP8266 (today) but it did resolve the flickering I was facing at the edges turning on the off the light completely (and smoothly). Wifi has to be on and there is intense MQTT to keep dashboard as real time as possible, so if I miss a trigger at the edges I just complete the cycle one way or another. With this I could literally get the entire 1% to 99% (in a logarithm scale for real light scale) without bugs. Another great video from you. Cheers.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Interesting. I thought 60 Hz would be possible, especially on the non-Wi-Fi core.

@traditionrider 3 года назад

Love how you used Tishka in the video to illustrate the deep sleep example.

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

It was not hard to convince her to help in this project ;-)

@mikelopez9893 4 года назад

Your videos are always excellent. By the way, If you want a low latency ISR on the ESP32, consider placing it in IRAM. (There is a flag you can put on the ISR definition to do this).

@movax20h 4 года назад

He already did that. I think the issue with ISR is due to arduino code, not ESP32. Also I don't think you really need the mutexes in ISR unless you manipulate more complex data structures from ISR. doing read-modify-write (like count++) from ISR, while rest of the code only do reads (so you might need to have two variables to track how much count you already processed, not reset it back to zero), is safe and doesn't require a mutex.

@benricok 4 года назад

Awesome video😎

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thanks 😁

@pes003 4 года назад

Hello, your videos help me a lot, as I´m working with ESP32 for my Bachelor's thesis and there is not a lot of documentation out there. So thank you. :)

@noweare1 4 года назад

Are you using IDF or Arduino for developement ?

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@StefanoBettega 4 года назад

I agree with your idea of being the RTOS influencing the interrupt latency. The RTOS itself (which seems to mee FreeRTOS reading the definitions you wrote to allow ISRs to be safely called) has surely some routines to schedule our loop() function with its own tasks, which can be in turn the communications module handlers (Wifi and/or Bluetooth). Even though you disable them, they could be still working for some reason. In addition the scheduler itself can use an interrupt to switch internal tasks, and this can be another jitter cause.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Many other commenters support this theory.

@hanli4977 4 года назад

Very helpful video. I like the cute pointer 👈

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you so much 😊

@timdurham9091 4 года назад

Very nice work! You should be quarantined more often.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Not a lot of change here. I am anyway living in my lab ;-)

@avejst 4 года назад

Great walkthrough as always Simple and easy guide, fantastic Thanks for sharing 👍😀

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@zyghom 2 года назад

super nice Andreas, as usual: idea stolen for my next project: rpm of my noctua fan counted using your example ;-)

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

Sounds great!

@kerron_ 4 года назад

I didnt know they had external interrupts. Good video

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@timmtub 4 года назад

Andreas, nice video! Regarding start-up time: the ESP32 supports deep sleep wake stubs that are executed before any normal initialization. It can send the ESP back to sleep if for example the voltage of a connected battery is too low. I use this feature for undervoltage detection of a connected lipo battery (saving on an additional hardware component). Best

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I mention that in the summary. Do you have an example for the Arduino IDE?

@timmtub 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Sorry, missed that part! It is easy to implement in Arduino, as the default wake up stub function is weakly coupled and can be overwritten directly: RTC_DATA_ATTR int bootCount = 0; void RTC_IRAM_ATTR esp_wake_deep_sleep(void) { esp_default_wake_deep_sleep(); bootCount++; } This increments the counter before the bootloader starts. Greetings from Germany

@DimitarManovski 4 года назад

Great video, thanks you :)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@bobpaydar 4 года назад

perfect video thanks 😊

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You're welcome 😊

@thomasdiebel1221 Год назад

Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Thanks for this on. I ran into some trubble appling the irq approach to a 100Hz signal with not as perfect steep flanks as in your given example. The isr gets triggered multiple times during rising and falling flanks. The RISING statemend seems to have no effect in the allocation of the irq. The esp32 seems to have problems with shallow flanked and slow signals. In such cases additional HW and Code is needed...

@AndreasSpiess 11 месяцев назад

It is always good to have a Schmitt trigger in front of the interrupt input. Maybe you can disable the interrupt for a few ms in the ISR as a work around.

@AndriesdeBeer 4 года назад

Much appreciated by this guy with the Afrikaans accent!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@Hessijames79 4 года назад

Nice idea with the output pin debugging.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thanks!

@akj7 4 года назад

Thank you Mr. Spiess for the interesting video. Having started programming Microcontrollers with Arduinos and ESPs, and now programming Controllers on a professional level, the DIY embedded system community is filled with lack of skills: poor code because no real programming knowledge, lack of understanding of what is actually going on under the hood, ... . For example, one thing i noticed in professionally, is that i had to always master the controllers' documentations, i had to work on. This lead to the fact that most issues that you mentioned in the video simply can't happen (like polling the digitalread and delaying). I therefore really appreciate deep videos like yours, that aren't simply about repeating examples found online, but analyse and go behind the curtains.

@noweare1 4 года назад

He didn't delay, he used millis(). Take another look.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

@Jules: Glad you like them.

@andymouse 4 года назад

Very useful...cheers.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you think so!

@JanJeronimus 4 года назад

To experiment with measuring a higher frequency a (simple) hardware frequency divider could be added.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

The frequency counter was just my example to demonstrate the two interrupts in one example.It was not meant to be useful...

@juancarlosnarvaez3875 4 года назад

Good Andreas!!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@lernenmitrobin 4 года назад

I'm currently using the ESP32 for a fft application on net voltage and load current signals (2 analogue channels, 50Hz), where I trigger a timer interrupt up to 1024 times per period, so ~ 100k samples/s on RTOS using both cores. In my case I'm working with hardware interrupt each ~20ms which calculates a timer value for the real period time divided by 1024. This timer or counter calls another ISR every ~ 20µs. In my opinion the ESP32 is fast enough for similar applications. But I'm totally agree with your point of the delay of hardware interrupts. Thanks for your research!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Quite a sophisticated application ;-) I use now a second RTOS task with a delay for my morsetrainer. Works fine (ms)

@juergenschimmer960 4 года назад

Verv interesting Video. The main difference i normally do on similar Programs i don't reset the counter Variable, but use the difference to the Value of this Variable from the last read. This only works when the difference is smaller then half of the maximum value possible with this variable ( 2^31 with 32 Bit Systems ), so wraparounds are always result in differences in this Range. Resetting the Variable is only safely possible when the changing of the Count-Variable can not be interrupted ( this is true when changing this Value is a single command on the Processor, The Processor has some means of binding more commands together in an non-Interruptible way - even across multiple Processors, or you can use for example critical sections ) Otherwise the ISR might be interrupted in between reading the Variable and writing it back after changing it - so the reset Variable will be overwritten.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you for the tip!

@prathambumb5593 4 года назад

Thank You

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You're welcome

@666aron 4 года назад

Very interesting and informative video as always. I don't know how to disable interrupts in arduino mode, but in bare-bone C/C++ or w/o rtos it is possible. I think that it would be quite interesting to compare the behavior / timing in bare-bone / arduino program.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

For the moment I have no project with the need of those fast interrupts. So I will not follow up.

@navadeep.ganesh 4 года назад

Excellent......found something thinkstriking.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@ifzq0 Год назад

GREAT VIDEO!!!! Yes, it´s a penny that ESP32 is not good for Real Time applications. I´ve noticed the high Jitter on interrupts (Varying from 2 to 45us). It would be good if someone finds how to program the interrupt with *high Priority* even on assembler.

@AndreasSpiess Год назад

So far I do not know of such a project :-(

@TristanGrimaux 4 года назад

It would be lovely to have chapters in your videos!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

They are probably too short and are made to be watched till the end (except mailbags which have chapters)

@TristanGrimaux 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Andreas, for me your videos turn very quickly into references, and the chapters are excelent to go and check something again

@meinsda5983 4 года назад

Great video! Most of the programmers don't know that they should use more interrupts! It seems that you can't block the interrupts inside the isr.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

There are some discussions going in other comments around "disable interrrupt" ;-)

@meinsda5983 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess yes i have read. Normaly if you learn interrupt programming, the first command in the ISR is that you mask the interrupts, that no other can block you. Only die NMI is allowed

@bernhardgabler5381 4 года назад

A great part of the inaccuracy in the interrupt code (at 7:13 in video) is caused by your own loop code: { frequency = count; display(0, "frequency=", frequency); lastEntry=millis(); count=0 } You use count but reset it only after displaying on the pretty slow LCD. That means, all events that occur during the LCD operation are not counted, but lost. Also, if the duration of LCD output varies, it worsens the count precision. You could improve it if you first completed the job of count handling: { frequency = count; count=0; display(0, "frequency=", frequency); lastEntry=millis(); } BTW, your polling loop (at 3:54 in video) would be more elegant if you replaced lastentry= millis(); while (millis() < lastEntry + 1000) {...} with endTime=millis()+1000; while (millis() < endTime) {...} This way the addition would be done only once. However a good compiler might catch this and produce the same binary code.

@movax20h 4 года назад

The compiler will figure out the optimization you mentioned at the end automatically. There will be no difference in performance. However, your hint about doing count=0; just after reading frequency is a valid one. In fact if you have mutexes used, you can wrap read and reset of the count, into critical block and be even safer. There are other approaches (like not resetting count at all, and remembering the last count, and subtracting it from current count to get new frequency (might require a special handling of overflows tho; but it will not need mutexes).

@heinrich.. 8 месяцев назад

it is perfectly fine how he did it. even if the displaying took multiple seconds it wouldnt change anything since the lastEntry variable is changed just before resetting the counter. so it doesnt matter how many counts there were while communicating with the lcd. correct me if i miss something though

@turkerbayraktarlar2640 4 года назад

Fantastic

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you so much 😀

@SteveWrightNZ 4 года назад

cool! thankx!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@VMFRD 4 года назад

This is why I still rely on 8 bit / 16 bit PIC MCUs, they do a very good job at handling interrupts and have a simple way to hook a internal timer to an input pin so you can count very fast signals. It makes easier to implement control loops like PIDs. Only if I need a web server or something to do with WiFi I go for the ESP32. The ESP32 is not a Jack of all Trades.

@noweare1 4 года назад

The more I learn about the ESP32 the more I want to just stay away.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Most of my projects are connected these days. This is why I like the ESP32. But sometimes I also use an Arduino...

@VMFRD 4 года назад

I think that right now the ESP32 is the most complete microcontroller when it comes to stay connected and also have massive processing power. But if you don't need connectivity there are better options out there than the ESP32. In the end we choose what we feel comfortable using...

@Brian_Of_Melbourne 4 года назад

Andreas, perhaps a followup comparing the interrupt coding and latency on other 'Arduinos' like STM32, SAMD21, ATMega, ATTiny, ESP8266, MK20DX (Teensy), SiFive E31 (HiFive1), etc.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

This is a very special topic. So blogs are probably a better place for such comparisons.

@ripper121 4 года назад

Take a look into there datasheet and you can compare by your own.

@leocurious9919 4 года назад

@@ripper121 Ah yes, datasheets to find out about interrupts and how they affect everything... let me just quickly read for dozens of hours to compare a few µC... Just seeing that a ESP32 is pretty much useless if you go into deep sleep is enough information.

@dieSpinnt 4 года назад

@@leocurious9919 Really, that's a very specialized problem and different for each individual case, as Andreas said. Think about changing just one clock cycle in your application code changing the complete timing that is at issue here. It is best to simulate this for each individual case, better to test it as an experimental setup. If something is important for a preliminary decision, it is the limiting/rating values and the clock behavior that can be found in the data sheet. So @Ripper121's remark is far more helpful than displaying one's own laziness. Stay healthy:)

@leocurious9919 4 года назад

@@dieSpinnt It would be a perfect followup to this video. And for which videos does this not apply? "displaying one's own laziness"

@aressto 3 года назад

Superb video with tons of help! Ty! What microcontroller do u recommend for RT systems with wifi inside? Do u meet such?

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

If you need fast responses, you probably are better with separating Wi-Fi from the MCU (using a ESP-01 for example)

@valdisblack1541 4 года назад

If I see a cat on youtube I always like ;D

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Good!

@kostashellas 3 года назад

Great video once again Andreas, very educating! ; just a comment pcnt (optimized assembly code on esp32 for pulse counting) can do better than standard isr when it comes to frequency counting?

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

Assembly usually is faster. But nearly nobody can use it.

@solidfuel0 4 года назад

You are a software guy after all :)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

No, I do not think so.

@TheEmbeddedHobbyist 4 года назад

If your running an RTOS then there will always be issues with when you get to see the interrupt. so i can see why the latency is changing, it depends where you interrupt arrives in the the background processes. Not sure if the ESP32 RTOS has variable time slots or fixed time slots so there could be issues there. In the embedded world there is a lot of effort to get an RTOS working correctly. Spent many a happy week on embedded RTOS courses, just to decide that if you don't need all that an RTOS offers then it best not to use one. Also interrupts are a pain for proving the code is safe, as how do you check all the possible places in your main code where it can get interrupted, don't get issues when interrupted at the point. Nice thought provoking video as usual, thanks

@movax20h 4 года назад

You can process interrupts at higher priority (i.e. level 5, just before NMI level). By default ISR will be lowest priority (level 1), so it will be preempted and/or delayed by other routines like a task scheduler. It is possible to have stable latency and minimal jitter using FreeRTOS.

@critica1mass 2 года назад

Great video. One question: Do you have a schematic of how you hooked up the input signal and LCD display to the ESP32 as demonstrated in your video?

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

I do no more remember. But I am sure Google knows...

@EvileDik 4 года назад

Great stuff Andreas, I thought I was competent with ESP interrupts, you showed me 2 new things! I am interested, is it not possible to use the ULP processor to collect small amounts of data then only wake up and upload to the main processor one every 10 readings or so? I am imagining some kind of slow process like a weather station application.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I think I mentioned this fact in thee video.

@Haydendekker1 2 года назад

Howdy Andreas, Thanks for your videos. I needed better than 200khz latency so I used HLI's and that got me better than 2MHZ latency. So the ESP32 can do better than 200khz. I've tried to provide a link to source code and write up on my Medium page but seems youtube deletes it. Thanks for all your great content.

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

Good to know. But probably not for everybody (I think I saw your issues on the Expressif page ;-) Links, unfortunately, are removed by RU-vid. They changed their policy :-(

@fredericbenzaquine3510 4 года назад

Hi , love your videos so much. By the way, do you know the boards from Kevin Darrah ´trigbaords’ they consume almost nothing and they are based on ESP32. I’d love to have a review from you, be safe.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I had one of them in one of my past mailbags.

@fredericbenzaquine3510 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Hi, it is very unlikely as they just got announced a few weeks ago but I'll check, maybe you are referring to the 8266 model.

@s16e559 3 года назад

hey there! thanks for the amazin videos! One question does every core has it's own set of timers, or are timers/interrupts etc. all global and both cores share the same of them?

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

You can have a look at the block diagram in the datasheet. There you find all peripherals.

@marcobassini3576 Год назад

Timers are global (there are 4), interrupts are per core. With the ESP IDF framework you can exploit all the features.

@QUIX2468 4 года назад

Nice video! I have just one question: What is the divice called that you used to measure the power consumption of the esp32? (I once saw it at the eevblog mailbag, but it seems that I can't find itanymore.) Thank you very much in advance for your answer!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I use several devices: The ucurrent gold, the current ranger (both shown in one of my videos), the Joulescope, and the OTII

@dl8cy 4 года назад

Awesome to sit in the first row - 73 de dl8cy

@ziberzero 4 года назад

I came to write that, damn.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Good morning!

@iblun 4 года назад

Not a quick one but nicely done nevertheless ! ;)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@sontapaa11jokulainen94 4 года назад

Subbed.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Welcome aboard the channel!

@sontapaa11jokulainen94 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Thanks

@SpinStar1956 3 года назад

Great video! Question 🙋‍♂️ could you count frequency with an internal hardware counter? Are they cascadable so that you could at least use them for HF? Thanks 😊 73…

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

You are right. You can use the internal counters either to count or to divide the frequency of the input signal. Here I did not want to build a fast counter, I only used it as a simple to understand example for interrupts.

@SpinStar1956 3 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Thanks for your replies; much appreciated 😃

@sausage5849 4 года назад

A lot of this went over my head, but I'm a bit dense :-)

@noweare1 4 года назад

I see what you did there : )

@edwardtro1 2 года назад

perfect

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

Thank you!

@qzorn4440 2 года назад

Andreas i don't want to interrupt you, Mmmm... 🤣 Oh, i guess i did..:) very nice interrupt video...👍👍 thanks...

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

Commenters never interrupt me. Usually they enjoy me (and are treated in batch processing)...

@Magic-Smoke 4 года назад

It’s worth mentioning that the Wifi runs only on one core. If you run your app on the other core, it will not be affected

@BenMitro 4 года назад

Interesting to know how you allocate cores to processes John. Will try and look that up.

@RakshithPrakash 4 года назад

@@BenMitro Andreas had mentioned it in his esp32 dual core video

@JuanPabloCisneros2207 4 года назад

I think that Timer0 is used by the underlaying FreeRtos as internal Tick source (behind the Arduino Sketch). Due to this, you are getting an "oversized" ISR and a long response time. You might try with timer 1 and check again the response time? ISR TIMER0( .... SystemTick (with context switch) .... your ISR routine( with its context saving) .... (context restore) ) ISR TIMER1( .... context saving ....your ISR routine .... context restore ) greetings from Argentina!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thanks for the tip. For the moment I have no fast application. Maybe somebody else tries it?

@shadow7037932 4 года назад

@8:00 In regards to a real time MCU, have you looked at the Ti CC3220/MSP430 and Ti RTOS?

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

No. I stick with my few MCUs because it is a lot of effort to add another one.

@omarcruz6326 3 года назад

Dear Sir Spiess. I Really appreciate the very hight quality of your videos and I am pretty sure I am not the only one :) May I ask something? While programing the ESP-32, Do you always work with Arduino IDE (C++) or Do you use MicroPython? I am asking you because I am buying some ESP-32 ( Thanks to your videos, you convinced me ! :) ) and I would like to work in them with MicroPython. Me, personally I am a Complete Python lover. All the things that I have done on the Raspberry are Python and so far it has been great, there is a library for everything ! I would like to use MicroPython on the ESP-32 however I imagine that there are much much less libraries (Am I right?), so then I will need to switch to Arduino Code (C++) but only for convenience, even if I like it less. Do you work with ESP-32 and MicroPython? Thanks a lot, Sir, and greetings from Belgium 🍫

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

I usually use the Arduino IDE for the channel and once made a video about MicroPython. Maybe I will do one in the future.

@andreitisanu2788 3 года назад

Nice video you have! I have a question for you if you can to help me. Can I make a wake up event with a touch sensor and in the same time I have timer wake up? I want to use this method to send the data through Wi-Fi(at every one hour) and touch sensor to wake up to see the values via Bluetooth? Or it's too much?

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

Here you find some info: randomnerdtutorials.com/esp32-touch-wake-up-deep-sleep/randomnerdtutorials.com/esp32-touch-wake-up-deep-sleep/

@theScottishAlien 4 года назад

Very interesting! I've been trying to combine wake up timer and wake up interrupt on my current project but have run into a bug with the ESP32 that is problematic for multiple wake up methods. Have you ever tried both a timer and interrupt for deep sleep? For example, counter on interrupt and then sending the count total every 5min?

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I wold not mix deep sleep and interrupts. As shown, in one case the CPU sleeps and in the other it runs

@theScottishAlien 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess I mean waking up on an interrupt pin (esp_sleep_enable_ext0_wakeup(GPIO_NUM_33,1)) I've found that when including ext0 and timer wakeup that there one of the two sometimes doesn't work