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What i really wonna see is 16" M1 PRO vs M1 max 24 GPU - battery life and all test comparison. Because M1 MAX 32 GPU already doesn't do that difference in power but in battery life less efficient. Gets hotter and louder.
Max Tech, please compare memory power draw in powermetrics for both machines (in idle and low/heavy load conditions). This is information a lot of people are waiting for, out of concern of battery life on the m1 Max. Would be really great !
I'm can't choose, between 16" M1 PRO 32/2T and 16" M1max 24 GPU 32/2T What i see is that 8 more gpu can eat some battery seriously. But how much exactly?
I mean, look: if you need 64GB of memory, it's not really for multitasking, it's because you need it for a single app with huge data. Until the application is really thrashing the swap, you can generally rely on the OS to take care of handling resources for you. That's the whole point. Apple's given itself a lot of headroom with the sheer speed of the RAM and cache, and SSDs now are pretty fast, so swapping something out in the background transparently isn't as hard as it used to be. But none of that really matters if you're buying a computer to last more than a year or two. If you can afford 64GB of memory and you plan to keep the machine for 4-5+ years, buy 64GB and never worry about whether you have enough RAM ever again.
This is what I was wondering…but I’ve been running 32GB for 5 years and even with a couple of VMs running plus video editing plus countless chrome tabs, I’ve rarely seen usage above 60% unless there’s a memory leak. If you can afford the extra $400, then by all means go for it. Otherwise IMO you will be totally fine for years to come with 32GB
A huge part of using these machines is running additional external displays. I haven’t seen anyone add that element to any of their tests which seems odd to me.
cause no one is running these on multiple displays lmao, this is a very small use case you are in the minority. if someone using an external display its with the laptop closed and plugged in so its no difference
@@guynumber20 I mean, a 5k monitor is twice the pixel count of the 16” so not the same thing at all. Also I think anyone looking at needing the max is in the minority and more likely to be driving multiple monitors. There are literally dozens of performance videos on these laptops, can you actually not see the value of adding that element to a test?
@Water Jogger like I said you guys are in the minority lol, you think there’s a lot of you but this is a laptop no one’s going to spend this much money on a portable machine just to have it locked to a desktop with 7 displays ur nuts. Part of the reason it costs so much is because it’s portable if they were smart they would wait for the Mac mini in March.
Running my 14 inch max 32 64 2tb on a 4k asus pro art over TB and a viotek 1440p over the HDMI. My main workflow is on average 4k 8 channel multicam projects in davinci as well as mograph and simulations in blender and it doesnt break a sweat. Truly insane
One thing most people forget is that one of the custom silicon blocks on the M1 is on-die compression/decompression, just like all of the video encoders. That and the fast SSD and the memory bandwidth really helps to make the most out of smaller memory footprints.
I used to "know" that my Macs needed 32 until I was forced by my M1 Pro to go down to 16. I do think there were occasions where 32 would have made a difference, but those might have been once every 2-3 weeks (my work requires pretty extreme multitasking). I could definitely continue living with just 16, although I went back up to 32 just for those unusual occasions where I have 40 different projects open. It's amazing how good macOS is at managing RAM; I'm also a PC builder and I also use PCs for work, and I basically find that whatever the amount of RAM I need on the Mac, I double for the PC and that works out OK.
When I first thought about upgrading from my 15" 2015 MacBook Pro, I wanted to get 32 GB, mostly for it to actually be an upgrade. However, I don't think RAM has been a bottleneck in any way in this one year of using the M1 MBA 16 GB. I wouldn't recommend going for 8 GB even for casual users, but at least right now I don't think non-professionals need anything above 16 GB. I'm so freaking happy about my M1 MBA even now that, while I can appreciate the performance of the new devices, I have no desire to upgrade anytime soon. (However, I would definitely be interested in getting a lighter device with the same performance. Maybe someday...)
@@stefandesu Get real. 8GB on an M1 MBA is perfectly fine for a vast majority of regular 'casual' ultrabook users. Unified memory with Apple Silicon is a different thing. Besides, you've been using a 16GB M1 MBA version instead of an 8GB version so you don't even really know how capable that version is is. This coming from someone who uses a PC everyday with 64GB RAM and also the cheapest M1 MBA.
@@Mamo878 Yeah, you might be right about that. However, if you can afford it I'd still recommend getting 16, even if it's just for future-proofing. That thing is going to last many years (at least that's what I'm hoping for lol).
I’d really like to see these tests with the MacBooks connected to external 4k and higher displays, to see if that introduces performance hits. Also screensharing.
this is what these guys don't ever test and my 2019 literally comes to a crawling hault with external display connection. Connect 1 to 2 external 4k monitors
What about panorama / high megapixels editing in lightroom and photoshop? ArtIsRight tested the 16GB vs 32GB and the performance difference is huge. Export time is just 10% of the workload, we spent most of the time on editing.
This video is very flawed. I bought the 32gb because of this video and filled the ram very quickly using Lightroom and photoshop. I merged a bunch of HDRs and did more editing then got a full ram notification. Too late to return the computer.
Boys if you are writing music for media and playing with huge orchestral libraries do yourself a favor and just get the 64gb. 👍 I maxed out my 32Gb really fast.
I really think this obviously boils down to what you plan to use it for, I bought the 14 inch base model and I really love this machine, it’s by far my favorite Mac to date. I upgraded from a 16 inch MBP base model and I really thought I would be missing the sleek body and the Touch Bar and I really did like the Touch Bar (probably one of the few) But, I’m just blown away by how well it performs. I’ve gamed on it shadow of the tomb raider while also watching the new James Bond no time to die in 4k while also having 10 different windows up on safari and chrome for work and it didn’t miss a single beat! That would have NEVER happened on my 16 inch base model. Loving this machine!
As someone who has 64 gb of ram in my 2019 27” iMac and regularly my ram usage is around 50gb the extra money for the ram is my only real option. Plus I generally keep my machines for 6 to 8 years it also provides longevity.
"6 to 8 years?" Now that's a real rocknrolla. I tap out between 5 and 6 yrs and I typically max everything out if I can. I think M1 architecture will remain backwards compatible as this is the beginning of the lifecycle. Going from a 2017 fully speced out MBP to the same with M1 Max.
Photoshop test looks awkward: it's not a typical way everyone is using photoshop - just switch between opened files. Try to open something with a bunch of layers, smart objects, effects, etc, and try to change something. That is the way to catch beachball as far as I know. Anyway, thanks for the testing, and good luck.
I’m sure the basic m1 can. I’ve run it on an amd 2700 with a 12 year old gpu. The ps is doing the heavy lifting not the Mac. That’s just taking the input from the capture card. So long as you have a decent capture card you will be fine. I’ve even run obs on an old sell ultra book i7 with 8gb ram.
As long as the CPU and GPU doesn’t throttle, and you have the mac plugged in, it will do just fine. The thermal management is so good and the chips are so powerful that you probably won’t be going above 50 to 60% of usage and it will just take all of that workload and give you perfect performance. You should be happy even with the base model 14in
I think this was the most exciting review everyone was waiting for! Your reviews are unprecedented and unparalleled! What big companies claim about their products are tested "in ideal and controlled environments" as they clearly mention in their small prints and disclaimers! But guys like you put theses high profile machines into real life and hard tests to see actual performances versus official claims issued by companies!
M1 Max 32 core 64GB RAM. Current AE project is using 57GB. Small project. Not even 4k files. Still running out of memory. Buy more RAM than you can afford. If they had 128GB option I would've bought that.
Good video, but you did forget resolve and premiere that uses a lot of ram. You also forgot after effects and even Resolve’s fusion. Final cut is optimized for the system so ram wouldn’t be much of an issue. This would have made this test more effective.
You are constatly mistaking megabits with megabytes. The memory bandwidth has incresed 10 times. So on i9 we had 4GB/s, on M1 is 7GB/s on M1 Pro is 20GB/s and on M1 Max this is 40GB/s. I have simplified calculations by dividing with 10 instead of 8 (one byte is 8 bits).
Great comparison - it seems that 32GB is a good enough workhorse - you can always use the saved money from upgrading to 64GB to get more storage (to absorb the swapped memory) - eg. buy 2TB storage instead of 1TB and keep 200-300GB storage free. Another video idea - test the battery life in both the 14" and 16" models at *low performance mode* and have a _looped_ "office" type workflow or movie watching to see how close it would match the M1 Air / M1 13" MacBook Pro models. That way, you can test to see if the 14" model is close to the M1 models, but has a better screen, faster SSD etc.
I have a 16” M1 Max 32gb and I was working on a 16 photo project (canon R5 rays) and it froze… have to turn my computer on and off and lost my project. Adobe needs to get their act together and optimize ps and Lr to utilize more than just the ram and cpu. Needs gpu acceleration
Buy it nice or buy it twice. I'm doing premiere/lightroom/ae/pts w effects for the next 4, 5 years so Max 64gb is my choice. Thanks Max for your hard work.
It won't last you 5 years. I got the 64GB version and I use After Effects and I ran out of RAM on the first day. "Your system has ran out of application memory" because After Effects was using 57GB of RAM just from my normal workflow. I can only imagine what I'll need in 5 years.
You guys have given us indepth reviews on this Macs and am well educated. Thanks for this education hoping to win this Giveaway for Africa cos we are always left out thanks Max for expanding it to other countries.
Africa being left out and having internet access to post such comment, explain if you don't mind. I wonder what ppl should say in Afganistan, Honduras, Syria, Armenia, Iraq and so many other places about being left out, they won't because they don't have luxuries African life to post such comments. Stop crying wolf Africans. Smh.
Truth doesn't care. Based on what you said you are entitled to receive things for free because you think Africa is oppressed. You probably know that other places have it worse: clean water, safety, and having internet is a dream to post comments like you, but unfortunately you are playing the crying wolf card, the victim card, which is bad. Your choice to do better.
@@thesun5382 You're just rude. No one is diminishing any other place in the world. Nobody said they are entitled to anything. They simply said they were happy to be included. They are showing gratitude, not playing the victim card (in fact, YOU are playing the victim card). Have respect for Africa just like Kofi has respect for wherever you live.
Very impressive. I just bought the 16" MacBook Pro last year with 64GB of RAM. Watching the M1 videos is very impressive but I'll stick with what I've got for now.
Seriously and I even returned the 32GB model for the 64… I think I would have preferred better battery life even if it meant memory pressure with my workflow.
In my workflow in Logic I max out the RAM by loading sampled instruments (the entire symphony orchestra) where each instrument could take 1GB. I’m glad Apple offers 64GB!
I went with the 14" 10/16 with 32 gb memory and 2 tb ssd storage. I did the in between because I never go max as I never need it and I never go low. I am psychotic like that. Pro works fine for FCP.
I generally keep my computer for 7-10 years. b/c it makes more sense to me to max out at he purchase and then not need to upgrade everything every couple of years.
Haha. Yes! Someone else out there alike! Still have a 2013 model…needs a new battery now and some keys need to be replaced. So upgrading to these will be a dream!
To anyone watching, keep in mind if you don't like closing chrome/safari tabs and leaving a lot of tabs open in the background then 32gb will slow down and lag your macbook much faster. In this video he only had 30 tabs open. I often have hundreds of tabs open in the background and they chew through ram like crazy, making other applications lag like crazy.
@@pattybergproductions2625 Everyone has different use case and habits. I am just reminding people who like to open a lot of tabs in safari/chrome to take this video as a grain of salt.
Thanks, i also have hundreds of tabs open. Just upgraded from 8 to 32 GB RAM after 10 years. Had massive performance issues, but hope they are gine even with "just" 32 GB.
There is one major flaw in this comparison: Shame for all the time you put in these tests but comparing the 14 inch with the 16 inch version doesn’t make a lot of sense. It has been shown many times now that’s a 14 inch version does throttle so it’s impossible to properly differentiate this here because you don’t compare the same models!
Powermetrics on a m1 Max with 64gb vs 32gb, show a difference of approx 50% more dram power draw for the 64gb model when idling (just after rebooting the machine). This is information from two single measurements. It would be nice to see further tests confirming these differences (or not) in low to heavy load conditions. This could have consequences for battery life, maybe (probably?) bigger then the gpu difference between the max and the pro would amount to…
Insane!! Can't believe how well it runs on 32GBs! Thanks for doing this benchmark! I use Adobe After Effects, not sure if you would want to do a benchmark test difference between the 32GB and 64GB in AE with playback and render times.
super cool. turned the fans on in this test? and u don’t know if there were dropouts (soundwise) in Logic when playing the track… just rendering is a complete another thing ….that would have been very important to know 🤔
Excellent work pushing both to the max based on really world usage 👏🏻 Think you guys would do the which is best for you video just like the previous years, can't wait to see them!
its not real world usage, he do nothing in any of projects... just open and render... and he open in Final Cut :D where is near no effects and hard things in project... for real usage of memory he need to open Premiere, spent near 30 min in project, with texts, mogrts, linking to AE and do some good effects, have 2-3 audio tracks of voices, have 2-3 multicameras and so one. This will be the real test... but anyway, for this usages, m1 m2 m3 max ofc will be too good, and difference will be just couple minutes on render or seconds in work, so its not a big deal) but it will shows difference, cos here he dont show it at all, clicking on safari tabs.... facepalm)
The question I'm most curious about is, how much do you need to restrict the cpu performance of the 14" 10 core M1 pro by to get similar battery life and fan rpms as the 16" base model. Thanks!
Thank you so much you guys. Because of this video I had a chance to cancel my M1Max 14inch 64gb ram 1tb and re-order for M1Max 16inch 32gb ram with 2tb. Only difference in price was $300 but I get a bigger screen, more ssd space, more battery life and no CPU throttling 🔥🔥🎉
If you really want to see a difference between the 32GB and 64GB, try a few After Effects benchmarks. Still, it makes total sense that in the vast majority of use cases the 64GB is overkill.
I haven't seen anyone really testing these machines on RU-vid running external displays. I don't worry so much about if it would affect RAM use but I definitely do worry if driving external displays all day will make the fans ramp up to loud levels. That's always been one of the worst things about Intel MacBook Pros... so it would be nice to know if this problem is solved.
The thing about RAM is that you don't need it until you need it. A solid Mac is a five-to-six-year machine - easy. I'm still rocking a fully pimped 2017 MacBook Pro. Maxing out your RAM (no pun intended) is not a bad idea as sysreqs on popular titles could creep up on you. And there is no "upgrading" when the machine starts to feel sluggish three years into your five-year timeline. And let's be honest, as a RU-vidr, you're way more likely to ditch this unit in a year or two when Apple replaces it with a new spec. It makes sense for you to be as economical as you can be based on your turnover. If you can swing it, get 64 and sleep better because you've got the headroom. You'll also get a better trade-in value if you're a platform loyalist who doesn't think about jumping ship every time a competitor adds half of a core to their latest offering.
Unpopular opinion incoming... I’m going with 64GB of RAM, even though I know I unequivocally don’t need it today... it’s not like I was on the fence, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that 32GB would’ve been plenty for me.. TODAY. However, with the outrageous performance and capabilities of these machines, developers will take advantage of that and I fully expect that the 64GB will pay for itself in terms of performance within two years. If I’m wrong, I’ll still have a great machine with no regrets. Just one mans opinion! Either way, thanks for this awesome and extremely informative video, and congrats to all of you who are fortunate enough to get your hands on one of these magnificent machines.
This is the video I needed, now I can make a firm decision on what to buy. Thanks to everyone at MaxTech for the hard work that was put into these videos
@@karenann5187 I chose the 14inch for the portability and the lighter weight, also chose the 2TB hard drive and 64GB Ram with the M1 Max 32 core GPU. I would recommend if you are a video editor to get an external display for longer periods of work to reduce eye strain. Hope this helps
@@richardh995 I would have loved to get what you have! I wanted it so bad, but I don't do a lot of Video editing. I do use VM's a lot in Cybersecurity so I opted on 16" 32GB Ram and 1TB storage. Those specs probably would last me a good 3 years of use, or even more. Thank you for the advise! I wish I had more money to spare or I'd buy your specs in a heartbeat! Single parent here so needed to save. Enjoy! I am sure you bought the best there is! I envy you. :-)
Thanks man! I was debating whether 64gb would be worth it for me, but considering the first 5 min is pretty much how I run my day (yes, with 30 chrome tabs open, haha) and 32GB ran without sweat, this saves me a cool $400, haha.
Hello Max Tech, congrats on your channel and your valuable material. I am confused between two versions, 32GB and 64GB. - Rest of the specs where I am sure about M2 MAX 12 Core, 38-Core GPU, 1TB SSD. I am talking about the 16-inch model. - I use (except Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator | UI/UX/Graphic Design) After Effects, Cinema 4D and Blender. - Mostly I use them for designing 3d objects (industrial design). Before I had the 16-inch, Intel i9 + 64 GB RAM. I know that this "Apple Silicon" machine is insanely fast but because I am thinking that this laptop, as a portable device, will be my machine for the next let's say seven years, so probably it will be better to install 64GB. (...or not?) What do you think? Thank you in advance, Konstantinos
Great video! My development workflow with 3 external monitors (1 5K, 2 4K) would push 32GB , but it would work. My concern is with SSD churn because of swap when the workload gets close to the 32GB limit. For a professional machine, that will be used for 3-4 years, the cost to get extra RAM, is relatively minor considering you cannot add more later on (the same goes for SSD space). Plus, I do not know what my next development workflow may look like…so I believe if in doubt, go up to the next level.
my thoughts exactly. In a few years having 8K displays will be the norm, and I don't see any review done while using external displays. My maxed out 2014 macbook pro runs quite well all on its own, but when I connect a 5K display I push it way beyond its limit. I agree with you, when in doubt, go to the new level. No one ever complained about having too much ram.
Great video, loved the comparison! One tip: When switching between tabs, use control + tab, it will be easier to do at the same time than looking where to click. :)
Love this channel and maybe I’m completely wrong. But as a Lightroom user I don’t think you’re doing the correct test. I find the biggest bog down is when I’m the develop module and using the brush/masking on several images. As I get further into my edit it slows down. Isn’t the export more cpu related? I think testing the brush in many images and seeing if lag occurs might be a better Lightroom test. Then again what do I know. Just saying.
I feel a bit annoyed that you don't test them both until they start lagging or stuttering, you always cut off the video right at the limit of what 32gb can handle making it seem like 32gb is the best choice (you did the same thing with the 16gb video as well). You should have done more things like hooking up external displays, opening 100, 150, 200 more tabs in the background, not just 30 tabs... I wanted to see the breaking point of the 32gb. Also alot of programs you used is optimised for the Mac so ram use is minimal. Also using 14" against 16" is just too much of variable, you shouldn't have uploaded and done this test until your 16" 64gb came in.
Wouldn't getting a 64 gig essentially be future-proofing your mac for 5-10 years? That's how I look at it! I'm a new Apple person, and I'm getting ready to buy my first MacBook as I only have the iPhone. My issue is I'm just starting to get into videography and some photography, so I struggle on whether I should get a 16, 32 or 64 gig, and most of all the chip as well. I definitely don't want the 16" as I value portability the most. I've seen some test with the Pro/Max chip, but ultimately I have no idea where I should go in terms of setup and someone that is new to the MacBook game and more specifically new to video/photography.
@@templarpsi i'm a cinematographer and also take photos as a hobby, and if i were you, i would grab the m1 max with 32gb, it should be plenty for you... I say that because i bought a mac mini m1 this year with 256/16gb ram and it handles everything that i need, including 6k raw. Also, the m1 max is great because you have two "chips" for encoding and decoding while the m1 pro have only one, so this is far more important than the 32 or 64gb option.
@@templarpsi these are “Pro” machines and most genuine professionals will be buying new machines every 3 years or so anyway because they get depreciated down to zero value typically over 3 years. At that point you can buy the machine from your business and either sell it or repurpose it in some other way. Also, if you are making a living out of using one of these machines then it’s easy to justify renewing after 3 years because the productivity increase of a newer, faster machine can directly increase revenues. Also, since Applecare+ typically covers 3 years, it’s reassuring to get a new machine with a fresh warranty. I think you can continue Applecare beyond 3 years now though. In my case, I’m a software developer and run two 5k displays plus the laptop display from my 2019 Intel i9 maxxed out MBP. My fans are spinning hard all day long and the machine is always hot and quite noisy. Normally I upgrade every 3 years but this year I’m pulling the trigger a year early because it will significantly improve my productivity and also quality of life due to the reduced fan noise. I’ve never measured it but I estimate that I spend maybe 15 minutes of every day waiting on my machine to complete some sort of task, whether it be running a test suite or copying large files etc. If I can save those 15 mins every day, that equates to 60 hours a year or 180 hours every three years. Even at £20/hour you could justify a new £3600 machine every three years on that basis…
@@user-ry8dr4uo9o unfortunately you’re missing the point completely… They have zero asset value to the *business* after 3 years because that is the depreciation rate often chosen for computer assets. At that point the business might choose to “write off” the computer and sell it on for zero value, or some other amount which more fairly reflects the value. What the new owner does with the machine after that is up to them. Please don’t take the above as accounting advice since I’m not an accountant but I have been running my own software business for over 10 years and have replaced my primary computer more or less every 3 years.
I knew going into this video 99% that for my needs the 32GB should do me fine for some years. Now I'm getting curious about 16GB...well, I forget now if that is even an option with the Pro Max (which I just barely "need" and have decided on, though probably just the 24-core GPU version much more than OK for me).
On the spectrum of quality in testing / benchmark content, there’s absolute scientific rigor on one extreme; comprehensibility and consistency for laypeople in the middle; and then MaxTech on the other end. Nowhere else do I see content that is as lacking in technical acumen, English language mechanics, or as overly confident as this channel. This video helped me a little, but mainly by creating more questions than answers. I feel like I just watched 30 minutes of reality television where 90% va of the dialog is garbage.
Smart choice. The new CPU is so powerful that saving a bit of money going for the lower CPU and putting that into the RAM is a better choice if budget is an issue.
When the "mac mini pro" finally comes out with the M1 Max processor I may still go for 64GB of RAM. I do drawings at 10,000px by 10,000px with a ton of layers in Photoshop once in a while. I feel "safe" to have more headroom.
@@Cryo837 because it's based on the m1 but more powerful. It's like the A14 and A12X (or A12Z which is even more powerful) on iPads. A12Z is a more powerful A12. It has more cores than the A14. It does not have some new things added but is more powerful than the newer A14.
@@Cryo837 It's only 3 Chips, dude. M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max. If you can't memorize just these 3 names, I'm sure you don't have enough brain power to use all of these chips effectively and efficiently on these machines. So, you don't need that.
You should open davinci Then color grade 5 clips. Then put a transition between each of them. And then put some noise reduction on them. This, in my opinion is the ultimate test.
I have the 64GB M1 Max and just running Chrome, Safari with a bunch of tabs open, Affinity Photo, Mail, and a few other accessory apps I’m at over 32GB usage. So I’m happy to have the extra memory and not have to start using swap files. Worth paying the extra now to have the headroom for the future.
@@p6id I went with 2Tb. I didn’t want to have to deal with external storage and 4Tb was too much of an up charge. Glad I did, it’s great not to have to worry about running out of space.
This convinced me to get the 32Gb version instead of what I was going to get (64). The most I do is 4k video editing, and with that 8K test and all that background stuff it showed me that the 64 is overkill for what I need.
