I recently rewatched that Cup as well, one of the greatest comebacks in all of sports history. Was the 33rd Cup the first time James Spithill sailed a split wing?
So did I, but saying it's down to experience is a joke. Statistically the wing sail will always be more efficient, so hats off to Oracle for taking the bet.
So you 2 rather watch these AC 100'S, rather than the 75's? These weren't even the best muti's in the world. there copies of the big open oceaners at the time. The big technological advance, was the Big Hard wing only. Either way , even if they bring thard wing back, it didn't take them long to realize, that there were moving away from this quickly.
@@joeypierantonis7576 No Joey, that is not what I'm saying... I also enjoy the IACC boats when I sailed on them. ... I also enjoy a fine sheer line, and first cask single malt.
@@joeypierantonis7576 hard wings have been around on multis for ages by the time this came out, notably in the 1988 AC, and I doubt that was the first either.
@@jameslittlewood7821 agreed. I guess I was saying sarcastically, that "the big technological advancement" was the wing. Multi was tried in 88, but I don't remember the wing? I'll take a look. While I do appreciate the boats, it still was a lame a$$ race. I don't care if USA did win it. I feel like that race could of benefitted from a different format. Totally took the regatta out of the sailors hands. In my view.
I've been bindging The America's Cup seasons for the past few weeks and it's amazing how different these boats are from one another compared to other races. The Alinghi crews have been truly impressive during the other Cups and to see them at such a disadvantage here is a little disheartening.
@@MasterCheater96 It was Alinghi that disrespected the rules of the cup and all those who wanted to compete for it.. Hence the court case that was supported by other teams as well. This Deed of Gift race was not a race, it was the finalization of a court case. Alinghi's boat was what they could afford against what the Americans could afford. The only real rule to follow in Deed of Gift is 90' LWL and powered by wind. So it just comes down to how much money you have.
WoW! The end of sailing?! More like the beginning of modern sailing. This was an evolutionary stage which while awkward was developmental to get to the current foiling wing powered 45 knot machines. Sailing has never been more exciting or followed since before the incredible AC72.
Dude commentator is like “and the difference between them. Is. Certain.” And “ This could be the perfect race. With all of that technology. Which is there. For them to use.” Jesus Christ man, pull yourself together.
Dee Caffari as a commentator adds little excitement.(still waiting for general recall?) her non-sailing sidekick is even poorer at observational analysis(port skid now out of the water!! hilarious non-sailing vernacular )
Agreed. Impressive boats. Boring race. Would of been better if, 1) both had wings. 2)the legs were shorter. AC 34 was much more competitive. But I believe the days of low speed tacking duels, and spinnaker sailing are behind us.
And to add, these boats would have been better Ina offshore circumvent style match race with legs thrown in, seeing as they don't have a place for births.
Its windblowing how fast they can sail especially in the 35th edition.. but its so boring to watch... i loved the tactical fight on the last editions where no boat had a significant edge over the other one ... that was intense sailing
A trimaran is faster than a cat if you fly two hulls. A wing is faster than a sail. This race was already decided in the courts beforehand, and it's no surprise that the trimaran won.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6h9SKsCK09M.html Oracle finally lifts her hull out of the water. I'd watched the full coverage before the race start. Oracle had just wallowed about at snails pace whilst Alinghi pranced about on one hull. The commentators were speculating was it to light for Oracle. Then as you see it wasn't. I was fascinated by the DOG match, but I'm glad both teams are now AC history.
@@henrymerrilees9066 you will continue to wait. Calculate all you wish. It will never change the outcome of this race unless you have a time machine. 😆
Ainghi lost it when they 'gave in' and allowed power (other than human power) to be used on these boats. They thought they would gain time in hoisting the main and in fact GAVE the whole thing to Oracle who could then use the wing. Before this Oracle had to use conventional sails. Thats why it went on for so long because Oracle wouldn't leav the bone alone until they got their wing. Alinghi gave in and lost...
Lawyers have always been part of the cup. Y’all remember back in the day when the Aussies (or was it Kiwi’s) came to the cup with a fiberglass 12m? And the wing keel from the Aussies in 1983 was litigated against as well. From a sailing standpoint, this deed of gift cup match was pretty lame. But from a technological standpoint, these boats were cutting edge. This cup lead to the development of the AC foiling cats, which were amazing boats. That said, I did prefer the sailing/racing in the 12m era. The IACC mono hulls were fun to watch as well. Those cup cycles were marketed to sailors, as opposed to the NASCAR/Busch Lite crowd, like the foiling cats were.
@@geebee3d Fibreglass 12m yachts were NZ/Kiwi yachts. KZ3 and KZ5 were identical, KZ7 WA the best all round 12m. But the Freo doctor blew like he'll in January 87 and Conner won the LV Cup.
It was Oracle that stopped other teams: they went those 10 times to courts untill they got this 1vs1 douple race with ridiculous rules. Thank God they lost and we have decent races back.
Did he just say "rest there voice's "? Oh yea? Lot of action, hey? Well you take it easy bud, don't hurt yourself . Anyways, really? all that money for less than 20 knots AVG? Those boat s are more suited for around the globe. VOLVO type. These are not match racers. AC is a match race. The old mono keels, are way better suited for match, even if slower. The start has absolutely have no bearing on on there result in these boats. I wonder who thot, 100 ft. , Down wind foiling, only, open ocean muti's , was going make for good racing? Even if the course was 50 miles. That course should had all the challengerss at once.. .. NOW THAT woulda been interesting
Grandiloquence pour brise de fond de culotte en milieu protégé. Il faut en convenir; c'est d’un chiant! Vive la monotypie (pour le sport) avec de vrais bateaux. Mais tout ça a déjà été largement commenté dans le milieu.
+Michael Johnson: You mean the day the AC sailing died I hope. Current teenagers cycling to generate electricity to power up electric winches commanded by GPS and computer programmes is the current AC game for their foiling craft. Next time without the teenagers but with robots - allthough they use more electricity (buy may weigh less ?) - and after that just a 3D regatta in a virtual reality environment at a theatre near you NOW ! LOL. NOTHING compares to the AC monohulls and tactics. These foilers are awesome to see and an amazing engineering feat but soooooo far from the sport of sailing. Pity.
politically correct respect for others and sporting loyalty are one thing the reality of life is another why give the opponent the opportunity to defend himself?
really the worst AC ever. don´t take me bad please. the second was the Cat against the nz giant. I gess the one before these very one from the video.every once in time they screw up the rules. now they seem. to get them on the track again. cheers
+Pedro Slavatori: Teenageers peddling to generate enough power to electric winches and power up computers that set the foils, wing sail and jib to a millimetre and GPS tracking. Is that what you call back on track ??? The current AC foiling craft are an amazing engineering feat and showcase of what is possible with wind power, but in my mind the sould of the AC and match racing was definitely lost by moving to foils and teenagers who don't even have to know anything about sailing and tactics but DO have to obey computer instructions to the second. Next AC should be without the humans who only generate electricity for the winches and computers now. They should each be given identical battery packs and then go off and race with robots. THE RACING WOULD BE MUCH CLOSER AND SPECTACULAR PICTURES FOR THE PRESS. Next time round it will be a virtual competition on computers... Pity for the soul of sailing and losing experienced sailors to easily moulded teenagers who can generate more wattage than older people.
Good points there, it has come a game of tech, rather than sailing but I guess the america's cup has always been like that, there are other races where the boats are the same, I guess those are the ones that are true to the competition of authentic sailing.
It is and the current youth see it as this. They are amazed at the foiling AC craft but after many years as a sailing instructor this is the very first time I actually hear the children saying "Wow" but then choose to sail class boats and learn true tactics and skills where the human body and mind is at the centre of things NOT computers. Just like all our road transport is run by computers (And can be shut down in a second by "higher" authorities) our portable phones are now not only taking pictures of us when we don't realise it, but also taking our finger prints !!! All in all (and like George Orwell predicted ist for our own good) it will work until someone like Hitler (to give an example) gets hold of the reigns. THEN WHAT ? This sailing by computers and needing young men to create wattage to re charge batteries that run the said computers and winches is a laugh at sailors. Technically 'at the very top', but lacking all humanity. Only the skippers and a select few actually know what is going on on these craft that are unable to set to sea without their computer programmes. Why oh why involve humans on these craft ? It doesn't make sense. A malintentioned hacker could/should hack into the programmes of these craft and stop them right in their tracks seconds after the first start. THAT WOULD BE FUN TO WATCH :-) All the RIB's with the geeks onboard frantically trying to re-boot their programmes and a bunch of teenegers drifting away with the tide. LOL. I would do it but I lack the know how. I would however back up a hacker completely if one wanted a go at it.
Team33 by back on track I meant this time I actually saw some competition I my opinion. but yeah some guys on board never got to see what they were sailing on. one day this play of tech development will get too expensive and like the F1 they will hve to limit new high ultra expensive to develop so as to have conpetition among drivers instead of developers. the cup.The AC HAS to find its balance so as to keep the competition among men. on the other end the AC is a devolopers cup too just like F1 and tha's the trick. maybe coming to a rule where having the best foil can get you to win may take the fun out off the men competition.
Oracle's 'dingle' is bigger ... LOL. Size does matter then. I've been on Alinghi and its IS huge, but you need a scooter to get from one side to another on Oracle/BMW.
+HM: I believe you're right ! Optical illusion then. Alinghi's mainsail is HUGE and bulky compared with the relative needle like shape of BMW Oracle's wing. Somehow an Alinghi genoa turned up at our sailing club - Once the cup was lost ... and I suppose it was a dud in any case. We tried unfolding it but we ran out of square footage ! We even had one try with a person holding the clew from a 1st story window and we still couldn't see the true size on the ground. We could have wrapped the building with it .... Its probably still lying in storage taking up an awful lot of useful space. I wish I had that kind of deep pocket to change sails as and when I pleased !
Can remember watching this at the time. Now I see it again I realise just how much it was "faked" with the camera angle to look as if were an actual race,,, Such a pity that, but it's what reporting/TV has become. A means of making more money. Pity. Cheers.
@John Lightfoot Today's racing doesn't utilize all the skills of racing sailboats like the keel boats did. No sail changes, chutes to fly, peels, etc. As a result, the whole race seems to now be in the hands of the tactician rather than the entire crew. All they do anymore is grind away, and that's just to "recharge" the mechanisms used for trimming, etc.
@Angelous Bacon Call me a traditionalist if you want, but when 99% of your crew are football linebackers who only grind up the internal spring loaded machine that actually trims the boat, and know nothing about sailing at all, I find it sad.
@Angelous Bacon Yes. I was exaggerating. Hence the ridiculously high percentage I used. That said, I'll still take the days when there was a foredeck crew that had to wrestle in a 400 lb. jib to the deck after hoisting a chute for a downhill leg, and swing the spinnaker pole over during a jibe, or do an emergency peel when the chute blows out on a windy day. You know. REAL sailboat racing! ;)
@Angelous Bacon Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If you're not, then I completely agree. If you are, then how can you think non-stop grinding in any way compares?
Not in my book, in fact this DOG match was great IMO. Couldn't of been more different to 2007 event, which is what made it for me. The America's cup should be about boats, not making money form TV.
