I agree, you will not regret owning a 45 Whelen. Everything I shoot from Elk, Moose, Mule Deer, Whitetail and Hogs drops instantly in its tracks with my T/C Encore, CVA Elite Stalker or my Pre 64 1948 Winchester Model 70 all in 35 Whelen.
The Barnes @ 180 Gr is a copper bullet thus will retain weight no matter what it strikes. Given it’s moving at 2900 FPS it’s velocity & weight gives it 300 win mag performance plus a larger diameter. This combination equals a pure lightening strike on any game roaming the continent.
That's one fine rifle, I've never had a rifle that would shoot three factory loads so accurately. Don't sell it!!! I use the last load you shoot, it was the tightest group of the three. Great video!!!
When I had my .35 Whelen I used to load. 225 gr Sierras and .225 Nosler partitions and Accubonds. I also tried some 200 gr Accubonds and had excellent accuracy with all of them.
Great video! The 35W was real popular in Alaska between WW1 & WW2. Surplus bolt guns in standard length actions (30-06) were cheap and easy to rebarrel. 375H&H with longer action was expensive/scarce. The 35 was called the "poor man's 375". It had a good reputation on moose and brown bear.
Adam one thing is that the more you show that CVA the more I think I want one! With those groups only being about 3" max vertical difference you could pretty much run either pack of ammo inside 100 yards on deer and be sure of hitting the sweet spot. If it came to choosing one pack that you trialed I would pick the Remington Corelokt 250gr. All three packs are expensive as you said (as they are here in Australia) but the Remington is the cheapest and has more than enough accuracy. Thanks for sharing!
I purchased the CVA Scout in 35 whelen last year. The Remington 250 gr is what I used last year and didn’t have to trail any deer. The gun has an amazing trigger and the overall quality of the gun is fantastic. In Mississippi the 35 caliber is allowed for our primitive weapon season so it gives me a couple more weeks in the woods. Awesome video to go with an awesome weapon. Now if I could just find some dang ammo for it! Keep up the awesome work brother!!!
I have the CVA Apex and have settled on the Barnes180 grain. Much like your rifle, I haven't found a round that it doesn't shoot well. The Barnes seem to dump a little more energy into the deer and 180's don't blow me off target as much after the shot. Meat loss is not as bad as with the same bullets but in 140 grain out of my .280 Remington. My Dad and several other I know have CVA Scout Whelen's. They all shoot very well. The 35 Whelen in a break action rifle is considered a primitive weapon here in Louisiana believe it or not. They are very popular. A lot of guys hunt with them all year and not just for the "primitive" season.
Been hunting with a 35 Whelen since 1990 or so, deer to moose with it. It's not common anywhere but here in BC , the Yukon and Alaska it's used for moose and bear with great success. Those 250's aren't going too fast so on deer I wouldn't shoot longer range with them. Meat damage should be minimal. Used the Barnes 200 gr TTSX and 225 Trophy Bonded on black bear (among other bullets) and your 180's should be just as good as the 200's. It will work fine on deer but hopefully you have something bigger in store in the near future. Love the channel!
* Sounds like you're having a great time with your .35 Whelen. The only problem I see is, if a hunter is pursuing dangerous game, he may not want to do so with a single shot firearm. I know I wouldn't.
Looks like the Barnes and the Federal is hitting about 3-4 inches high. So zeroed in at about 180-200 yards. Perfect for big game hunting. With that you have a point blank range out to about 225 yards :)
That rifle is super accurate! Man I am very impressed! I had a CVA Hunter a couple years ago in .223, and I love the simplicity of a break action, light, easy to clean, reliable, but I opted to trade mine in and got my Ruger American Predator in .223, which while it's a little heavier and more complex, I prefer it. I haven't hunted yet, someday I will, but in my state it's all shotgun hunting anyway, so I would have to go out of state to shoot any of my big bing bangs
Here in Louisiana you can use 35 whelen for primitive season. Its a beast, does the job very well and people love them. I shoot the federal fusion 200gr. Its my wife's gun but I dropped a doe in here tracks with it last year. When shooting in a lead sled make sure to add extra weight b/c its got some kick. On the bad side you can't find any ammo for it around here.
Having been the subject of jokes about the reintroduction of Mammoths when I showed up at the club with a .35 Whelen. I just stroked my grey beard and reminded them that old guys can't quite resolve little bitty holes on the targets, that bigger holes are much easier to see. The .35 Whelen version of the Remington 7600, aka the ‘Amish Machinegun,’ makes those bigger holes right quick.
Barnes tsx is a hell of a boolot. Hard to stop that solid copper slug. Expands perfect on top of that! And I like how it doesn’t mess up meat when putting them in the shoulder for dropping them in their tracks.
@@WHOTEEWHO Ive got some Barnes 300 grainers I hand load at 2400fps in my 45-70. Deer don’t have a chance inside 300 yards. And those copper boys don’t tear up so much meat when you need to drop them in their tracks. Coming from the low land hard woods and swamps in Louisiana.
I was partial to 250 grain bullets and particularly, the 250 grain Nosler partition when I was using a .35 Whelen. I hand loaded those to 2500fps as I recall, for thick woods bear hunting up here in Washington. Never did get a bear with that rifle, but a couple of nice white tail bucks ran out of luck for a couple of years there... :) The way that CVA shoots, I might have to get another one! I still have a box of those Noslers sitting on my shelf... Good video and great shooting Adam!
You probably just sent cva sales up lol. Thanks a lot I was going to get another one probably won’t be able to find one for awhile🤣. Thanks for all your time with the videos.
I had a 35 Whelan in a Remington 7600 and it's one of those guns I wish I still had. Very accurate. i liked the 225 grain bullet in it and after seeing those 225er's in Trophy Bonded Bear Claws put 3 in the plate that you could cover with your thumb nail those would be my choice. I really like that stainless CVA Scout as well. I want (not need !) a new gun and this may be it. I knew I was in trouble when I clicked on this video. Thanks for taking the time to share, man.
I have the exact same rifle, and I am loving 35 Whelen. I have been using 250 Core-Lokt. It may be the cheap stuff, but it's hard to beat. Shot a doe with it in December. She went less than 10 yards. Hits hard enough to drop them quick and has velocities low enough that there is very little wasted meat. And he's not kidding about that trigger. Its nice.
majority of us here in Louisiana use the barnes 180gr. Everyone used to use the hornady 175gr but they discontinued them so we all swapped to barnes 180 and dont have to mess with the scope.
Impressive! Those are some pretty stellar groups from factory ammo. I'm familiar with the .35 Whelen since my dad had one that he has passed down to one of my sons and it's an excellent hunting cartridge. With accuracy like that, you could knock the snot out of an elk or moose with it!!
Back when you first got the cva bolt gun I had mentioned that I had a few of the cva scouts and they were amazing shooter !!! Glad to see that you are enjoying yours
After watching your reviews on the CVA scout ll. I ordered the 35 whelen and received it today. That is one fine gun my friend. Trigger is amazing, along with the fit and finish of the whole gun. I really enjoy your reviews and videos. Thank you so much !👍
That is some AWESOME grouping! Nice rifle and scope combo! I've been wanting a. 35 Whelen for years. Now that I've seen your CVA Scout rifle video, I must have one in the Whelen, lol. Love your videos, take care and God bless 😀
Just another wildcat from the .30-06 cartridge to be thankful for! I think the 35 Whelen would be a good stepping stone from my .30-06 to the .375 H&H.
Lol. My family is from Tennessee I know those Whitetail aren't that Big. You're shooting a moose load. Love your videos. There's no other RU-vidr that makes as many videos as you do. I appreciate you working hard to keep us entertained!!! Can't wait to see what deer season has in store for you this year.
Awesome video , my scout also eats whatever I feed it unlike my H&R. It loves 225 gr accubonds for sure, and 200 gr hornady superformance as well. That's all I've put thru it so far.
I just picked up a Remington 7600 carbine in 35 whelen. Probably gonna shoot the Remingtons or the Barnes. They seem to group better out of the 18.5” barrel from what I’ve heard from other hunters with the same rifle.
Looks like that is one fine shooting rifle. With those 3 loads in that rifle I would say pick one you really like and zero it for that load and go on. It doesn't look like it's a huge difference between the 3. I like mid weight loads for most things. Like 124 gr in 9mm, 135 gr for 357 mag, 168 gr for 30 caliber, and so on.
Yup good you got the muzzle break helps to subdue recoil & those 225 grain solid /core silver shooters would be equally perfect for black bear or werewolf. The 2900? -180 grains might actually be a good 200 yard load ( without touching your sights) for your gun on a big deer for shots of 200 yard - 275 yards or further...nice stuff. How many plates do each go through at 100 yards?
All things being equal, I would use the Barnes Lead Free. I think the bullet weight of Lead free vs conventional bullets is apples and oranges since the concept of Sectional Density doesn't apply to Copper bullets, since penetration an Lead shedding isn't an issue. A 35 cal Lead Free bullet is going to expand to 70 cal, acting like a Shotgun slug.
I always enjoy your video,, I have had 4 CVA's and liked them all, wonderful triggers, very accurate, the only thing I have found is the 308 doesnt like hard primers,, small detail once you know,,
I have the Remington 700 Classic in 35 whelen. I handload the 180 gr. Speer bullet in mine. Blows an exit hole you can stick your fist in. All the 35 calibers are really accurate and not picky in ammo. The ones I have pretty much shoot everything really good 👍
Hard to beat the clover leaf from the 225 grain load. A slightly better group than the other two IMO, and 225 grains at what I assume is close to 2700+ fps would take down anything in North America.
I'm on my second 35 Whelen and I love the cartridge. I just read an article in American Rifleman magazine written by John Haviland about loads for a .35 Whelen. He states that Speer Handloading Manual Number 15 holds reloading information stating Alliant Powder 2000-MR will push a 250 grain bullet at a velocity of 2709 fps. Mr. Haviland says he loaded some and he stopped before he reached the maximum by 1.2 grains and reached an average of 2610 fps. That's very good and in the same class and velocity as the .338 win. mag. using 7.5 grains less powder. I will assume it has quite a recoil.
I own that very rifle in the same caliber. In the midsouth, this weapon is considered a primitive weapon used when most other states have a muzzleloader season. I have hunted with it in Louisiana and Mississippi with great success. I concur with you about the barrel and the trigger, both are excellent.
for whitetail the coreloks are fine, for elk, set it up for the bonded federal, it'll hold together better. that rifle is the 2nd version of the scout, mine is the 1st without the muzzle break and the break open lever is different but the trigger is still excellent. yes ammo is hard to find and expensive, I load my own, the dies pay for themselves after the 1st box of ammo. I would set for 3" high at 100, thatll give you point blank to around 280-290. with no holdover. point and shoot ,break out the skinning knife. whelens are good for anything in north America and with the exception of elephant or cape buffalo anything anywhere. I bought my scout for southern primitive weapon season, liked it enough to rebarrel a model70 classic in whelen for everything else. its a LOT of gun.
From Terminal Ballistics Research in New Zealand: When testing hydrostatic shock on Bovines, I have discovered that impact velocities of 2600fps with suitable bullet weights (and construction) produced instant poleaxe in a repeatable manner. However, in many instances Bovines would attempt to rise, the action of attempting to rise resulting in increased blood loss with death following within seconds.” There’s a number of loads that achieve this performance maintaining that velocity to about 100-125 yards….
I would go with the 225 grain good for deer good for elk or moose. If you reload you can get the bullets to go through the same hole. I started out on the Whelen shooting 200 grain Fusion and they would put it through the same hole shooting off sand bags. Some folks that know a lot more than me say that there's no advantage over a 30 06 until you get bullets 250 grains or more. 250 grains loaded hot jar the crap out if ya so I like the 225s
I love the 35 Whelen. Mine is a 98 Mauser rebarreled from 8mm Mauser to 35 Whelen. Got Hornady Superformance 200 grain ammo at 2920 FPS at the muzzle! This is a powerful round!!! Thanks for the review!!! Oh, and I reload!!!
Have you ever had trouble pushing the shoulder back and changing the headspace on you brass? I have to be very careful and now pretty much just neck size. The CVA Scout I had in 35 Whelen came from the factory with headspace problems and had to be returned that's why I have a Lipseys Ruger #1.
@@russellkeeling9712 I only resize the neck. I’m careful about the shape of the angle too. The reloading can be a challenge but mine all come out great. Only problem right now is finding enough primers, although some are coming back for sale at times. I sure would love having a Ruger No. 1!! They are beautiful rifles and very well built! Funny thing, I never knew about the 35 Whelen until recently. The caliber is only 99 years old!!! But I’m hooked on it now, and I’ll keep it for the rest of my life! I love reading about them and hearing the stories of hunts with them. Wow, what a powerhouse! And thank you WTW for the video!
I think I’ll stick with the Barnes 180. Lead free makes me feel a little better and it seams to be the flattest shooting. Originally I got one just for hunting primitive in my state. I fell in love with it so much I just use it all year, even over my $2200 Tikka T3X setup. I got the same model as yours with the brake already on it, but it’s cerakoted bronze and has a camo stock instead. Got it on a tax free sale for $479 and a $300 Leupold VX Freedom 3x9 for it too. For less than $800 this setup is unbeatable. My only minor complaint is that it is a little on the heavier side, but it hasn’t been a burden yet.
I got 2 of them a 444 marlin and a 300 blackout both shoot great hard to beat for the money both shoot 1 inch groups at 150 yds. I wish they would make it in 6.5 prc I'd buy another one
I love Barnes ammo and have had great success with it on game. That would be my go to. I tend to like light-for-caliber, fast-moving projectiles as long as they group well.
I use a Remington 7600 in .35 Whelen for elk with 250gr Hornady handloads. Love the Whelen! The 225gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw is great for elk and other larger game. I'd probably go with the Remington Corelokts as they're most likely a softer bullet and would expand better on deer sized game. Great groups BTW, WTW!
* Years ago I read an article by Lane Simpson,as I recall, saying that one of the .35 Whelen wildcat cartridges would make a great Alaskan guide gun if it was paired with the Rem. 7600. Remington was big into standardizing wildcat cartridges. I wish they had paid attention to what Mr. Simpson had suggested. I believe the wildcat mentioned was named Brown. .35 Whelen Brown, something along that line of nomenclature as I recall.
Sssshhh, the .45-70 lever cult already believes their set-up is better than a .30-06, despite a little thing called ballistics data. A .35 Whelen pump would really throw them into a cognitively dissonant spiral of denial. Nobody can run a bolt as fast as they run their lever guns. Surely, nobody can pump faster either.
I agree the cvs scout is a great rifle. I have one in 450 bushy. It is sighted in 1.5 in high at 100yds and will cloverleaf. It drops to 4 in low at 200. Dropped a eight pt at 115yds this yr. Great rifle.
I think the 35 Whelen is the bast all-around cartridge there is. I'd match the bullet weight to how much penetration is needed. The 250s are best for Elk size game or bear, The 180 or above is fine for whitetail.
The CVA Scout has a Bergera barrel from Spain. They are a fine barrel. I like the 225 gr. bullets personally because it travels at about the same speed as my other hunting rifles and I can kind of maintain the same point blank range.
Any member of the deer family (whitetail, mulie, elk or moose) will plain tip over to any of those bullets. Likewise, any member of the bear family will fall to them as well. Personally, I believe the TBBC to be the finest big game bullet available. With the accuracy your rifle shows with that bullet, it's a slam dunk.
Question, will the deer really care which bullet ends its existence? I understand that the .35 Whelan is used in precision shooting matches, I can see why now, any one of the loadings will be accurate, and deadly when sighted in and lay a smackdown mercifully on the deer. never really knew much about the .35 Whelan, but it appears to be an impressive caliber. Good job
I’m feeling all the gilt right now. I have to send you that ammo. The Hornady I picked up for you is a 200 grain. My grandpa passed 3 weeks ago and I have been out of sorts. I promise to get it and the rest of it to you this week. I saw it in a store like a week after you bought the rifle and I picked their last box at that store. I have looked every time I go in there because it was cheap for caliber. Like 32 dollars. You probably think I’m full of it at this point.
@@russellkeeling9712 yea, I love it, used to always hunt with a 375 h&h, but i havent shot anything with the 35 whelen that was less dead than with the bigger magnum, plus it only has an 18 inch barrel, so its good for the heavy brush
Nice rifle, and nice shooting! I’ve been interested in the 35 Whelen for a long time, and finally picked up the same rifle featured in this video. It is slim and relatively light, and would make a great elk rifle for backpack hunting.
Great video. Thank you. I am watching because I just ordered the CVA scout in 35 whelen but mine is the blued barrel model without the muzzle break. I don't have a sled, but I have a question. When you sight in your rifle with a sled is the point of impact different when you shoot it without the sled because of the length of pull being different because of the back of the sled adding a bit of length to your shoulder?
Factory ammunition has gotten so darn good! For deer hunting I’d use the Barnes load and the federal load would be an ass kicker for elk and moose, although honestly any of the three would take anything in North America with the caveat that I’d want to avoid big bones with the Remington load as it is a traditional cup and core soft point bullet. Awesome shooting!
Here in Louisiana we can use the 35 Whelan Waylon to hunt for a muzzleloader the primitive weapon season a lot of people that know hunters have put up their big guns and shoot to 35 Whelan only one very good caliber
I'll never understand why the 35 Whelen never took off after becoming a commercial round. Its still on my list of must-have cartridges. I love my 270win but if I were in Alaska facing some big bear at close range, I'd prefer a stout 250gr Nosler Partition or Barnes to shake up the bear's engine room. Then you have the 180-225gn for the whitetails to moose out to 400+ yards.
Nice. I really thought the spread will open up more in the range of bullet weights. But I think if you do the same test over say 300 yards it might tell us what really is happening with those bullets. I got 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards with 155 grn bullets out my 300wm and at 300 yards I couldn't hit a 12x12 inch steel plate with the same bullets.
So I was looking to get a breakaction 35 whelen myself but I'm kind of stumped. Would you suggest getting the CVA scout or a thompson center encore pro hunter?
Of all the videos I watch, yours are the best ! Not too much yapping, and your setup is great! Please ask CVA to chamber the Scout in 308 cause that's my go to round.
Personally you don’t need above a 200 grain bullet for deer so I’d go with that Barnes all day just because deer aren’t very tough I know people who have got heart shots on deer with 22 magnum.
I believe and have always believed CVA barrels are great. Also, I have always said the CVA Scout rifle is the poorman's Ruger model #1. The Scout is definitely an underrated rifle.
I may need to own one of these. Those are amazing groups. I love single shot rifles. I’ve killed more white tail deer with a New England Arms .308 than any other rifle.
I like the heavier bullets. They tend to produce tighter groups. Lighter boolatz, like in pistol cartridges, tend to zig and zag and their groups are a little unpredictable unless you fork out tons of cash to customize your rifle to harmonize those zippy smaller bullets.
As others have said, there's not much point in going to a larger caliber to throw smaller caliber weight bullets. Not that you'd need them for deer but I don't think I'd bother with less than 225 grain pills in the Whelen. The moderate case capacity .33's and .35's are 200 grain to 250 grain rock stars. Below that and you might as well stick to an '06 or .270 and above 250 grains it's probably time to step up to a larger gun. After all, you can get bullets up to 310 grains for a .35 caliber if you hand load but the velocity is so slow that if you actually need that much bullet weight it's time for more powder capacity to push it with.
Since the last comment I built a load of the ttsx's 180 FB that I ordered by accident, thought I was ordering boat tails, that said got them in .5" groups with only a few tries, and around 3" @ 300 yrds, haven't went past that yet. It's my favorite rifle, of my 6😊
With both the 35 Rem and 30/06 combined for this caliber. I would have thought it would be more popular. Great tool ya got there WTW. Good shooting and Gods speed to the WTW FAMILY AND FANS. 👍🇺🇸
The .35 Remington has nothing to do with the formation of the 35 Whelan, except for being 35 caliber. It's simply a 30'06 necked up to .35 caliber, no lever action 35 Remington involved
