350 Legend vs 7.62x39: Not Even Close On Barriers? 

Does anyone make good 350 legend magazines? I only ever see 5 and 10 round in stores, and I've heard legends (hah!) of 20 rounders, but why no standard capacity? It seems like they're trying to make 350 Legend a decent all-round caliber and it definitely seems like it could be, but it always falls short on capacity.

​@herbderbler1585 duramag, cmmg, both make 20 round mags and Wilson combat modifies lancers that hold 19-20 (at least on the ones I own) and they are always in stock at Wilson's. I buy my metal mags from the military exchange but they are everywhere online.

I'd like to see you do a subsonic comparison between 350L, 7.62x39 and 300BO. Obviously it won't be much penetration, so skip the final steel, but I'd still like to see it with the lesser mediums. Maybe add a phone book or catalog test in place of the steel as depth of pages is a good comparison too.

i dont think theres a single state that requires strait wall ammunition olny

@@charlesballiet7074 for some hunts there absolutely are. That was the purpose 350 Legend was created for.

But, it isn't cheap in Ga. Anymore! I did the same thing during the pandemic!

Yep, I’m in San Antonio and during Covid. The only thing you could find was 350 legend, and 30-06

It’s not cheap anymore. Especially for a decent hunting grain weight.

I did for the same reasons

Smart man. 😃👍

Penetration against a soft body target, sure, but it doesn’t at all relate to penetration against armor (since 5.56x45mm from a rifle didn’t make it through a 6” sandbox, but a .45 Colt from a Ruger did; no prizes for guessing which is better against armor). It kinda makes me wonder though, if you can design a caliber to be just good enough against armor to penetrate a front plate, go through an enemy, then bounce off his back plate so that the round is more effective against armored tangoes than unarmored…

lol, wouldn’t take long to be feeling good

Or lumber

@@spoot8835 or good to go

😂

Take a drink everytime he allows you to actually see the velocities and you'll never get drunk!!

manufactured problems is probably better than artificial problems, as it is a real problem if you get caught using necked cartridges where lawyers who never hunted in their lives say you shouldnt be

There are countries like Mexico or Italy that legally don't even allow .223/5.56 or .30/7.62/.308 types, so this round could fill gaps and needs there.

Yea idk what your talking bout more grains more velocity equals bigger holes and 350 legend works better out a 7” barrel then other intermediate cartridge on the planet

And not to mention reloads with 115 grain 9mm projectiles they go 4000 fps

@@andrewkitchen7554 You are correct. You don't know. A little bit of reading comprehension goes a long way towards preventing irrelevant word salads.

Hey! Nothing wrong with that!! My son bought 1 of those “CVA”, bolt action rifles (I think it’s made but Bergara?), chambered in .350 Legend & it is an absolute Deer Stopper! He shot a couple deer w/it here on our farm. 1 was an “antlered buck”, the other was an “antler less-button buck”, and neither of them made it very far. The wound channel was insane on the antlered buck, to the point I felt bad for the small guy. The other was all internal damage & massive damage at that. At that moment I became a proponent of the .350 Legend. I put my calipers on it as low as I could on a loaded cartridge & it measured .355-or in other words a 9mm sized bullet. So, basically Winchester took a 9mm and made it into a TRUE “Magnum”! Not sure about this new Remington .360 Buckhammer. You had any experience with it? They claim 25%+ more energy? Anyway, loved what I saw from a “straight wall”, cartridge as we live in Missouri & anything with a primer or center fire is legal. I bought a Savage Mod 25, w/laminate wood stock, vented forearm, double studded for sling & by-pod w/semi heavy barrel & in a vice or sled doesn’t even move when you pull the trigger. Anyways, Missouri is very relaxed on what we can use as hunters so “straight wall’s”, are new for us here but we were very impressed with the results! Shoot straight!!!

It shoots a pistol bullet. It's a very poor performer

@@justinpennington7682 That's objectively not true, multiple manufacturers are making .355 rifle bullets now. Also referring to any cartridge as a "poor performer" without use context is generally foolish. 12 gauge is a poor performer at long range and 6.5 creedmoor is a poor performer if you need massive kinetic energy and .50 BMG is a poor performer if you need a light and handy rifle.

@@A_potato9772 it's the worst straightwall cartridge available.

@@justinpennington7682 Okay enjoy your opinion, meanwhile I will enjoy my handy carbine that suits my needs well. I'm sure you can recommend superior straight walls like 50-70 or 38-55 or maybe 38 special but I'm quite satisfied with what I have.

Actually, if you really watch, the 350 did not do quite as well as the 7.62. Wood block - 7.62 punched through with no problem. 350 had issues; one round ended up going through a spot already weakened by the 7.62 . The 350 retest was too close to the edge and deviated through the side thus not going through the whole block. Concrete - the 7.62 made a shallow hole, where the 350 made a little dent. They were close, but objectively, the 7.62 won. I don't really care for the 7.62, being a fan of the.308. For barriers I'd prefer the 416 Rigby.

Yeah let me just get my 416 Rigby AR15 out from the safe, be right back 😉​@@tasatort9778

@@tasatort9778What is a 416 Rigby? I only know of a 416 Honey badger.

@@annihilationfarmohyeah4808 Usually come in single or double barrel a Lion gun. With hard nose elephant to. I think Kentucky Ballistics has one he shot on his show.

@@tasatort9778 Ladies prefer girth.

6.5 Grendel?

6.5 Grendel vs 6.5 creedmor would be a great match up but the 6.5 prc would destroy the creedmor

How bout.26 nosler

Forgot 6.5 Carcano.

​​@@VroomNBoomgrendal has less powder to fit in AR Less speed to creedmoor and usealy 10 grams lighter bullet

Considering the reasons the Russians replaced 7.62x39mm at one point with 5.45x39mm (that being concerns over overpenetration), it doesn’t terribly shock me that .350 Legend outperforms 7.62x39mm in regards to damage done.

​@@camarokidbb4347 TBF the first generations of intermediate cartridges are mostly shortened rifle cartridges for convenience they couldn't know enough to optimize such a new concept.

Why is ‘military’ in quotes?

​@@Hornet135😢😢😢😢

@@camarokidbb4347 It had nothing to do with concerns about overpenetration. If anything even the old 7N6 will have more penetration. 5.45 is more accurate, gives the shooter more range, has less recoil, and allows the soldier to carry more ammo. It's a better round in almost every way.

That would give interesting data. I have a lvl 3 set of plates that alternate layers of quite thin Ar500 steel, and fancy polyethylene. It's surprisingly light, and will stop more than the rated rounds.

That’s true, I’ll have to see what I can come up with

@@bananaballistics I'm new here, but changing the lineup takes away from the "standardized testing" I say keep it the same.

@@samohteel4393 Adding to the selection seems like a good option, as long as the materials are cost efficient.

​@soggycracker5934 What is it called and where did you buy it? I bought 11x14 ceramic and it's heavier than I thought it would be. I wore Xtra large in the army and think it was 10x12, and didn't think the 11x14 would be so heavy.

I love my 18" BCA upper in 350 legend.

Iraq veteran did one where he tested various calibers in brush. .44 outperformed .3030 in brush. Which did surprise me at first.

@@brianc9374Heavier rounds do better with brush; that’s why the brush guns I’ve seen are all .45 caliber or similar.

I agree, would be nice

All I have ever used for 350 Legend are the 20 round C Products Defense/Duramag magazines and they have always functioned flawlessly for me.

My cmmg 20 mags never failed with Adams arms piston.

I have the 20" barreled BCA side charger and I have x 7 20 round Magazines and I have never had a problem .I HAVE TAKEN SEVERAL HOGS AND THEY PERFORMED WITHOUT A PROBLEM

I feel like is is more of an issue with the duramag design. Certain 20rd mags work great, others I have issues with the bottom couple rounds. I really would like to see mag-pul build some 20rd and 30rd mags to try out with 350leg.

Even out of a 16” barrel you’re usually only getting roughly 92% propellant burn out of an ak. Out of a short barrel it would be even worse. Depends what you consider “good”.

Стрелял из укороченного ствола АК ~20см(7,5 in). Огромная вспышка и громкий звук, по ощущениям, работало не более 50% пороха. С уважением.

before S&W came out with the 7.5" 350 Legend revolver, I was using a 7.5" barrel on my 350 Legend for pistol hunting in Missouri.... the velocity and energy works quiet well, especially at the yardage we usually see. Its a joy to hunt with...

Rifle cartridges from pistol-length barrels (and by that I mean 6” or less) is redundant imho. While the often smaller caliber can make for better penetration compared to typical pistol calibers, the lesser velocity (to the point where temporary wound cavities no longer matter) makes penetration through armor more of a moot point, and the effect on an unarmored target would be more comparable to a .44 Magnum at absolute most, maybe even closer to 10mm Auto or .357 Magnum.

350 will travel about 2000 ft per second out of a 10.5 inch barrel It's a phenomenal round for a pdw

It’s amazing what a 0.04” caliber width difference can do. (I know 7.62mm translates to 0.3”, Russian 7.62mm rounds are 0.311” in diameter however.)

​@camarokidbb4347 indeed so. Just that little bit of size increases gives some more surface area and weight to put some greater energy into the target on impact. That's why I love checking out ballistics gel vids too. Look up how the matchup is between 45-70 and 500 SW mag out of lever guns. Bighorn Armory is the only company I'm aware of making 500SWM lever rifles. They ain't cheap but damn nice.

That and the case size

​@camarokidbb4347 some nagants go up to .314

7.62 X 39mm uses a pointed FMJ bullet. Better sectional density. Similar energies... probably why the 7.62 worked so well. But for hunting, I'd probably lean towards the Legend....

The .350 was the winner; it had the penetration-test! Also, it's projectile was a blunt nose, while the 7.62x39 was a spire tip; not a fair comparison!

Gotta say shooting threw the lumber the 350 blew out the back

It’s a possibility. If I ever get more range to play with

Yes, 145 gr fmj in 350 legend

@@bananaballistics Thank you sir. I didn't catch it during the video. It was stated most likely in a moment I was distracted. Good info in this comparison too. With supplies from outside the US being cut off, so to speak, an alternative with similar performance is smart thinking. Appreciate all your content young man.👍🏼

I don't think you're pretty at all. 😐

Not that pretty

@@JacobTheGunNut idk man I’m kind of pretty

I agree lol

I'm curious if something like 6.5 creedmoor would. Slender small diameter fast bullet. Or a 300 blackout subsonic 220 grain. Maybe 8.6 blackout.

It’s very possible. I was just trying to stick with the fmj theme on these tests.

@@bananaballistics I see well its still good to see. Also I have taken away something from your videos. Copper bullets are absolutely amazing at penetrating soft targets but horrible at hard targets that's for sure. Thanks

​@@bananaballistics Is it mass or speed that defeats the barrier test? Browning ammunition has a 350 legend that is 124 gr fmj at an advertised 2500fps. Let me know if you can't find any, I'll send you a box.

Have you seen those lighter weight 350leg rounds with velocities over 3000fps? I would be curious to see what that would do. All the heavier 350leg rounds are either soft point or hollow point, not the best for penetration.

@@nicks2581 Not really most the deep penetrating rounds I've seen have been the heavier rounds. I think my favorite are the barnes tsx rounds. Total flowers of death

Depends on if you're looking at the spec or not, it's technically both in the 9mm (.355) and .357 family >.> In the SAAMI spec, the bullet diameter is declared as 0.357" - 0.0030" because, in Ohio, the minimum bullet diameter for hunting deer is .357. From my understanding, the - 0.0030" essentially means that the bullet should have a diameter in the range of .354 and .357. It's kind of a tricksydoodle they did to get around Ohio law

Steel jackets typically exhibit less deformation at the 7.62 velocity.

barrel length does not mean much for either round so long barrel wont do crap

It definitely seems to be a better hunting cartridge

@@bananaballistics Projectile selection makes all the difference in both rounds. Ultimately, intended purpose. MAGA

Not much difference between 16 and 20”

.300 Blackout is just AAC and Remington capitalizing on the success J.D. Jones' already made with the .300 Whisper wildcat.

We will have to see

Im a 6.5 grendel super fan....wish more people jumped on the bandwagon😮

I’m going to try a 6” after the next several videos. We will see