Just a quick clip of my mach 1 at Idle with some little throttle blips muffler free while I change up the exhaust. 4V headed cleveland around 10:1 compression and a Lunati mechanical cam.
Bringing back some memories, back in the early 80's my older brother had a 71 BOSS 351 4 speed....the original Boss Motor was gone, but had a strong 351 Cleveland 4 barrel and the rest of the car was all original...Top loader 4 speed, 3.90 Posi...even without the BOSS engine it was damned quick, kept up with all of the 442's and Trans Am's of the day, what a blast she was.
If you put a mechanical cam into a 4v with adjustable valvetrain its very close to the same as a boss (pistons and damper were different too but that's fairly minimal performance wise)
@@jomamma1750 big block chevy does use the same rocker ratio, and can work but don't have the exact same geometry as a ford rocker (clevelend/400/460 etc) I lucked out and got my comp rockers for $10 barley used off a local auction nobody bid on 😀
@@troyberg65 That might explain what kept blowing up the motor of the guy I knew that did that. Go figure, and he was supposed to be the big ford guru? Thanks for the heads up!
Almost brought tears to my eyes. I had a built Cleveland in my mustang looked almost like your car the 80's when I was in my early 20's. 12.5 -1 pistons, .650 lift cam, crane aluminum roller lifters, block and heads "o" ringed , head and main bearing studs, holley strip dominator intake and sooo much more...... I really regret having to sell car. I miss it.
Sounds like a wild ride; a Cleveland built like that in the 80's would probably outrun almost anything on the streets. If I ever come across a strip dominator for a good price I'll probably jump on it.
@@namechane1758 If you have the tools' cutting for o-ring fire ring around the cylinders is more forgiving on keeling the seal between the block and head.
One of my friend's dads had a Torino with a 351 Cleveland circa 1974. The dad was a race car driver and did all of his own mechanical work in his shop, and because of that, I was also impressed with his vehicle choice. He would let his son and my friend drive it once in a while, so I got to feel the strength and power of the car.
@@jeromebreeding3302 there are a few modifications necessary to run the solid cam at around .600 lift. dual springs, bronze guides modern seals stainless 1 pc valves, machining for adjustable valvetrain 7/16 studs and rockers. And a big smile when it all works so well.
@@troyberg65 I converted my Cleveland to adjustable rockers with a kit from Edelbrock. It featured a stud with a three eight bottom with a seven sixteenth top. No machining of the head was necessary, but my crane cam was a sreet-bracket-racing grind so that might have made a difference. The setup allowed me to use big-block Chevy rockers, and I was quite happy with the results.
@@jeromebreeding3302 yea those kits are a great way to go to an adjustable valvetrain on a budget. If I was going a bit less aggressive on the cam I would have went that way. I did get a good deal on the machine work for my pedastles too tho. Be sure to check geometry on the BBC rockers the geometry is a little bit different the the ford ones. I have comp roller tip rockers in it currently but some crane pro golds to go in for the next version I have planned.
Best Ford engine for reliability. My 1979 Aussie Ford XD ute has a 351C, been my daily driver since 1980. I’ve stuck with hydraulic lifters for maintenance reasons.
100% agree. 351C all the way for me. Had a 351XD back in the mid 80's (which i always regret parting with) and will be dropping one in the 250 XD I recently resurrected.
Me and my dad are restoring the 71 my grandpa raced back in the 80s, good to see a fellow fastback lover. We took the Cleveland out and put in a lincoln large block 460 with racing valves and headers. It'll be heading straight back to drag strip as soon as we hear it start. (Right after we change and balance the wheels, replace the 20 year old wiring and make sure it doesn't explode apon ignition)
Wiring is one thing I need to go through more on my car; the 460's a great power plant; working on one for my dads 63 f100 right now! Let me know how it does!
I got one of , if not the baddest Cleveland in the state of Ga. 351 with 4 inch stroke crank, so 408 now. Solid roller Lunati .695lift. Trick Flow 225 Power port aluminum heads, Match ported Trick Flow intake . Cloned a Build from an old Hot Rod magazine. Its in a 68 F 100 pick up. And 3 seasons undefeated in the truck class. I 850 carb , no spray, 10.67 quarter mile. 7.50 eighth.
@@troyberg65 your close 675 flywheel. I'm a chevy guy , but i like to build big inch stroker morors, Fird Mopar, chevy. My daily driver is an 81 malibu wagon, 427 dart block small block. AFR 220 CNC heads, 4 inch stroke .crank , all forged bottom end. Howards 650 lift hyd. Roller. Super victor intake holley 850. Drive to track with 3.08 gear , run low 7s in eighth. 10.76 qtr. They call it the draggin wagon .
@@ronniecox109 Badass man; I'm going 393 over the winter! Working on my dads 63 f100 right now too; its got the big brother crooked valve engine in it though with a tunnel ram.
I'm more of a Chevrolet guy, but around 1988 I worked on a hog farm, and we had a flat bed truck, maybe 1.5 ton, with a 351 Cleveland, ran good, and plenty of pulling power, matter of fact, I would juice it a little to hard pulling a cattle trailer full of feeder pigs, and broke motor mounts twice, wouldn't know until power steering quit working, would snap hose when engine twisted too much.
Repair, refurbish and improve is the name of the game for me at this time; I do intend to fill in the rust eventually but being rough means I can enjoy the car and not worry about gettting dings or scratches here and there
I have a large valved 66 289 with a solid lifter crower cam 478 and 471 lifts and wide duration of 245. It has a comparable potato sound. It sits in a sweet 64 sprint.
memories indeed.... of my neighbor back in the late 70s early 80s and his two 70 Mach ones with 351C's one was practically a race car and scared the ever living bejesus out of me..... i feared it as kid.... but OMG.... 13.5:1 compression, solid cam, rollcage, 4spd, and slicks makes a sound that is pure music to the ears.... also while being scared lol canted valve iron heads...... and a solid cam... just pure joy (i'm a lot older now lol)
They become a different animal when you rev them past 7000 thats for sure, my late father ran clevelands in his 69 for years and was blown away when I took him for a ride with this motor in the 72 he got me when I was 16. He always stuck with hydralic flat tappet cams; Clevelands like to rev, just gotta do it right.
I miss 2012 Alberta... Oil money .... I built a twin turbo 1973 mach 1 414 all aluminum cleveland titus racing block 73mm turbos for a fella in Edmonton. Last I heard it made 800+rwhp
Sounds amazing! Those blocks are badass, not too many around! I absolutely would have went turbo if the stock Cleveland block was stronger. Not too many around for a reasonable price. Look forward to seeing the track boss iron block out there soon. my brother is doing a turbo LS right now.... but that's what everyone's doing.
I had a 1971 fastback mustang with a 351 cleveland back in 1980.Bought it with 57,000 original miles on it.It was brown.The nicest ride I have ever owned.Quick too.
Fe's are a very interesting engine. Only one I have in the family is my mom's 64 merc stepside with a 352 that's been freshened up. Not exactly a performance unit in that trim but it sure has its gusto! Ahh well I guess the third had a 390 in it too back.in the day. That thing would move that heavy car handily
Bet thats a cool little motor! the 8.2 deck block is nice and compact. scream when built right too! I'm working on a 393 cleveland currently for this one; video is on a bone stock rotating assembly.
Updates? Buddy has a 31 model A tubbed. Was an ambulance. Tunnel rammed AFR head (I ported it and the tram), HFT cam. Unreal acceleration its downright scary. You can blip the throttle in any parking lot and bounce the front end off tfhe ground. THose are so light!
Sounds like my 85 Yamaha Vmax 1200. She only has 12,000 original miles and is a freaking ground pounding beast. She was also number 2131 off the production line in 1985!! I love her and she is dark red metallic and black and she will never leave my hands until I am dead and gone..
I've a 1970 F-100 Sport Custom truck, my high-school hotrod. I outran Cameros and Corvettes with that machine. It had a 351c 4bbl engine with a hot cam, and a very wrong work transmission. After 4000 rpm, it was like driving a WWII fighter plane. The startup is very familiar. Heh, I went through seven starters and three batteries in 5 years. It's sitting at my mom's house waiting for restoration. I think the last time I ran it, it was something like 12:1. With the new pistons, I expect I'll be stuck with racing fuel. When it idled, I was lucky at something north of 1100, even then, it struggled. What a great sound. Mine was deep-throated, yours seems somewhat tinny. I'm not sure why the difference, aren't you working on an exhaust system? Mine was very simple. Anyway, what a very pretty engine. When tuned to make power, it barely runs. It sounds great, it runs great, it behaves terribly. I want three (one in a DeTamaso Pantera, if you please).
At the time of this video I had the exhaust off changing it up from straight dual 3" with Hooker Maxflow mufflers to 3" mandrel with an X pipe and the same mufflers; It was idling a bit high in this video and my phones microphone didn't quite reproduce the sound completely accurately. Extra compression really does add throatiness to the tone though; at this time it still runs stock cast flat tops; but it sings at 7000 rpm and is completely aggressive with the 3800rpm converter. It launches as hard as my 2013 SHO with about 480hp, 500ft lbs of torque and AWD. And it's only about .02 slower in the quarter mile. On a stock bottom end. In the works is a 393 for it at around 10.8:1....... Would also love one in a pantera
I have dropped so many privates for leaving a creeper laying on the ground like that! I may have let this one go though just to listen to this all day long.
My cousin has one of those in her garage....sounds similar. Sucks gas, hauls ass (tm). Maybe Bond drove it....could increase the value, eh? Sounds great!
I'm 70 and just some facts from a Mopar dude,worked on these 351 'sgood solid set up ,But my SUPER CUDA always enjoyed them for SUPPER ,the 383 and the 440 hemi's were to strong the HARDER YOU PUSHED THE HEMI's the better they ran !Chevy and Ford cams were not as advanced loob as mopars!!
My uncle has a 71 cuda with a 440 6 pack build with edelbrock heads. It's beastly but been I storage forever. He's putting the motor in an old sedan to have some fun with it temporarily. They really are strong. Don't get much chance to line up with old molars these days, but run ing the srt8 challengers is always interesting
Really too bad that this car isn't a 4 speed with 3 &1/2 inch side straights. That's the way we ran stuff back in my day. What a glorious sound going down the highway @ 140mph.
The valvtrain noise is barley noticeable over the exhaust, and does get quieter as the engine warms up too. This cars valvetrain makes less noise then my taurus' injectors (direct injected)
@@troyberg65 I like the noticeable tapping noise in the exhaust as opposed to roller lifters, it’s very nostalgic. Even a factory spec cam with nice exhaust still has that sound before changing the lsa for some lope. Along with Weber carbs and a timing gear assembly, this thing will sound so nasty
@@grandcrappy Been tracking it and street driving it since install and the valve lash hasn't changed upon a couple yearly lash checks. I did have an oil pump fail on it ceased and sheared the distributor gear due to a pickup problem (long story but Figured it all out) changed it out and put a new pin in the gear and it ran 10 consistent quarter mile runs on a friday fun night a couple weeks ago.
I really appreciate the guy who does a video of his car trying to show how it sounds, or his new motor and the car is a complete and utter POS and is dirty as hell with wires hanging out from under the dash. There is something special about these types of people. Good lord WHY!
@@RipitRon The much of the mechanical odds and ends are already cleaned up; Paint and body is gonna be a while. It this state it was right after a motor refresh with the cam; the exhaust was getting re-done with an x-pipe And I was gutting some speaker wiring that was in bad shape. It gets the stock bottom end motor replaced with a fresh stroker this winter, then I have some rear suspension work I want to do. Maybe another year till I get back on body work (it was worse with a flintstone floor before). Front suspension is all redone now too. Cheers 👍
Nice sound. I have two of these, one 73 351c2v and one 71 351c4v. This sounds make me want to rebuild 73 with flat top pistons and cam and 71 throw in a cam to make them rumble close to that
And still didn't like to stick the launch if you did it wrong even with a locker and 325/50/15 drag radials (they are old tho to be fair... with a 4000 stall and 4:11's)
@@troyberg65 I had been eyeing that cam for several months in my old lunati cat. After seeing this video, I finally ordered it. I've got boss heads and a funnel Web intake. Going in a 67 falcon. Thanks for this video!
@@johnmartinii77 I think It'll work well with the funnelweb intake, I've been very happy with it pulls hard just past 7000rpm with no sign of giving up on 351cubes. Make sure the valve springs are up to the task and let er rip!
This engine came with 4v open chamber heads, I came across some 4v Closed chamber heads to up the compression for $400, had the pedastles milled for an adjustable valve train for another $300, got this solid flat tappet cam $250, Crower coolface lifters $125, I scored my comp roller tip rockers for $10 locally but they're typically $200. The rotating assembly is bone stock but I went through it and checked everything out and installed a oil restrictor kit. Intake is a Torker single plane and headers are Hooker longtubes. I scored the short block for $750 and got the intake for free from my dad. so total is around $2000 after other odds and ends like gaskets timing set etc. The efi system was a few bucks but it made just as much power with a tuned holley 750double pumper I rebuilt (already had that). A proper timing curve also makes a huge difference.
@@cuffevlogz352 Have not dyno'd this combo but probably a bit better then 350 at the wheels. Desktop dyno puts it near 450 flywheel; but those numbers are really just a ballpark. This is a bone stock bottom end; and I'm going to a built rotating assembly over the winter.
