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I am often asked: Where do I get a good antenna? Or: Is this a good antenna? Unfortunately, you do not see if an antenna is good or bad before you do some measurements. Or you build one yourself. That is what we will do today. Be it for satellite reception, for LoRa, weather balloons, or even for Wi-Fi. Like that, we know what we have. And even can save some money.
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My HAMradio channel: / @hb9bla
Links:
2.8" NanoVNA: www.tindie.com/products/hcxqs...
2.8" SMA NanoVNA V2: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A6Pm3F or s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9zdUZ9
4" Type N NanoVNA V2: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AaJcaR
SMA connectors male: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A6CM7R
SMA connector female: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9xPlRx
Steel rods (easier to solder): ebay.us/qI9RU3
Semi-rigid cable: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AOzVM9
Simulation Software: hamsoft.ca/pages/mmana-gal.php
Ground-Plane Calculator: m0ukd.com/calculators/quarter...
J-Pole Calculator: m0ukd.com/calculators/slim-ji...
ARRL Antenna Handbook: amzn.to/2NhP4QL
Rothammel: amzn.to/3bQHRkI
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:41 Parts of an antenna
01:02 The Ground plane antenna
01:28 Impedance
01:45 Connectors
03:40 Building the ground plane antenna
04:48 Which wires and how long?
05:48 The build
07:04 What is a good antenna (including measurements)?
10:07 The antenna is finished
11:20 Far-field pattern and gain (incl. Simulation Software)
12:48 Other applications (Wi-Fi, satellites)
13:22 Conclusions
14:03 One last thing
14:30 Outro
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@paulcohen1555
@paulcohen1555 3 года назад
Perfect as usual. This guy gives better explanations in fifteen minutes than others in one hour!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you. That is my ambition. I need more time to create the video, but you save it while watching...
@mewintle
@mewintle 3 года назад
Every time you post a video like this I think “There’s no way he can do that topic justice in less than an hour. And then you do it! This was great!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you. You are right, it is not easy to create short videos...
@Texas1FlyBoy
@Texas1FlyBoy 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess Short and precisely to the point. You are focused and provide good material without all the ridiculous flashy screens and horrible music that a lot of other tubers do! Thank you for keeping your videos interesting and informational. If I want "entertainment", I can watch a movie. ;)
@tonybell1597
@tonybell1597 3 года назад
Thanks Andreas, every time I watch one of these, I stand on the edge of diving in to this radio stuff, as I feel well informed by your videos.... thanks ....
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
It is well worth to dive into this topic (says an addicted ;-)
@Cptnbond
@Cptnbond 3 года назад
Awesome as usual, amazing that you manage to find so many good topics and present them so well.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you! I just present what is interesting for me, too...
@mcgamingproyt
@mcgamingproyt 3 года назад
Great video as always Andreas! I got into radiosonde tracking with your last video and now have my own station. My nanoVNA is arriving tomorrow and I already designed and 3D printed a ground plane antenna hub for easy mounting. I will be also getting my radio amateur certification very soon! Thanks for the inspiration!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Great to read that you get you call sign :-)
@caseyschesky3708
@caseyschesky3708 3 года назад
Thank you for an excellent video! I learned more from your 14min Antenna video than I have from reading the ARRL antenna book! I am a beginner who just got my General amateur license and your explanations are simple and understandable! BTW, I have a lifelong friend in Zurich so I enjoy listening to you!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful! The handbook is probably not made for a beginner and this channel is not made for HAM operators. So I have to explain also the basics...
@MauroMartinss
@MauroMartinss 3 года назад
Hello Andreas great video as always! I've built the same antenna and tunned it according to your previous videos it worked very well!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you for sharing your experience.
@cromatico524
@cromatico524 3 года назад
This channel is precious! Wonderful! I'm in love with it... Mr. Spiess, you have my AXE!!!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you!
@noweare1
@noweare1 3 года назад
Another great presentation, thank you. I hope to get into building my own antennas this year with the help from your videos. And another thanks for finding that VNA meter for us.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome! And have fun with building antennas.
@TheSocketshock
@TheSocketshock 3 года назад
Your videos are always fantastic and informative. this is EXACTLYWHY I FOLLOW YOU!!!! this is perfect for my current project
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you!
@puriap250
@puriap250 3 года назад
Thank you Andreas. Your videos are very informative and very practical. Actual measurements and builds not just theory.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you for your nice words!
@jackmichael9606
@jackmichael9606 Год назад
Hi Andreas, thanks so much for your reply. I hope to complete my new antenna soon. All the best....
@johnpipe362
@johnpipe362 3 года назад
Perfect. I just got a Flight Aware dongle to track aircraft, but I wanted to build my own antenna. This is just what I needed. Thanks.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Enjoy!
@samvoelkel2046
@samvoelkel2046 3 года назад
I love your presentations. Thanks!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome!
@AjinkyaMahajan
@AjinkyaMahajan 3 года назад
Nice content. It explains a lot about practical implementation. Thanks✌🎇 Cheers ✨
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome!
@mikelemon5109
@mikelemon5109 3 года назад
Love ALL YOUR WORK badass swiss oldman! thanks for the video!
@richard_wenner
@richard_wenner 3 года назад
I believe that this may be accepted as a generally favourable review :)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
@Michael: Thank you! @Richard: Thank you for your translation. It is really slang for me ;-)
@richard_wenner
@richard_wenner 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess Desperately trying to prove, at the tender age of 64, that I'm still 'douwn ther wiv the yoof'. Not sure even Google Translate can deal with this :)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
@Richard: This one was not easy. But I think I understood: www.macmillandictionary.com/buzzword/entries/youth-speak.html
@richard_wenner
@richard_wenner 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess I'm not sure that 'down there with the youth' - correcting the spelling is that helpful. At the risk of going further down this rabbit hole ...... it's 'street cred' (Social recognition with/by young people who spend time congregating on the streets). It's a self mocking attitude based on the impossibility of ever achieving this status. a.k.a. 'bollocks' :)
@deangreenhough3479
@deangreenhough3479 3 года назад
Excellent work Andreas 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍 completely relevant to my work 😇
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you. And a happy 2021 to you and your family
@mikeunum
@mikeunum 3 года назад
Very good declared. I remember the hours of learning military radio things and later the amateur radio. Hours of fun while experimenting and the guys who teached us all these things had a more funny way to teach this.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
I also think building antennas is rewarding...
@UrbenJipsy
@UrbenJipsy 2 года назад
You know exactly what I am looking for , this is very helpful , thanks a lot
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@thamizhansurya8519
@thamizhansurya8519 3 года назад
I was doing my wireless communication lab classes today and your video helped me understand a lot about these VNAs
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Glad the video was helpful!
@thamizhansurya8519
@thamizhansurya8519 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess I also watched that other video about vna. RU-vid algorithm sure knows what you want to see nowadays
@dougbas3980
@dougbas3980 3 года назад
Very well done. I am waiting for my 3 GHz nanoVNA on the slow boat from China. I have the 900 MHz version, but LoRa here is over 900 MHz and I do lots of home automation with wifi and zwave so this video and the 3 GHz nanoVNA will be very useful (new sites for M0UKD and MMANA-GAL appreciated!). Thanks, glad I am a patron. Doug, N8VY 73
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome. These nanoVNAs are really color the money. And with simulation we are well equipped for antenna building...
@BerndFelsche
@BerndFelsche 3 года назад
Excellent video introducing simple antenna construction. It's a long way from long-wire for HF, thrown over a tree branch.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
With the arrival of the nanoVNA I discover more and more videos about wire antennas. End fed, for example...
@capnthepeafarmer
@capnthepeafarmer 2 года назад
Thank you for the straight forward and informative video on antennas!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
You are welcome!
@marcofe82
@marcofe82 Год назад
Thank you so much for this video! You are, as usual, so clear!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Год назад
You are so welcome!
@terrybondy1948
@terrybondy1948 3 года назад
Love your videos. Impressed that Al welding rods can be solderable 5:33, and 6:30 thru 6:45. I had "stuck" thinking because Al is normally not solderable, but of course the rods are alloyed!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are right. It probably helped that the rods are not completely Al. It needed a lot of heat, thou.
@ionix2000
@ionix2000 8 месяцев назад
Very good video! Appreciate the quality of the info.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 8 месяцев назад
Glad it was helpful!
@tstut111
@tstut111 3 года назад
Thank you for this! I have been wanting to do this so badly
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
So you can start right now...
@TwstedTV
@TwstedTV 2 года назад
Learned so much from this video. thank you (subbed)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Welcome aboard the channel!
@CharlesM-dp4xe
@CharlesM-dp4xe 2 года назад
Interesting, short and practical ... Thank you !
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
You are welcome!
@patrickalain1639
@patrickalain1639 2 года назад
You are cristal clear for such a complicated topic! Thx so much. As you seem to make everything easy, i probably experiment with Lora sms backup mesh.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Thank you. All things are easy if you know how ;-)
@K_Nunez
@K_Nunez Год назад
Thanks for sharing this knowledge. 🍻
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Год назад
You are welcome!
@gaborungvari784
@gaborungvari784 3 года назад
now I feel that I should taste in the adventurous world of antenna crafting and check some weather balloon signal...:) thanks for the video!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Have fun!
@foxeskeeper3817
@foxeskeeper3817 3 года назад
Jesus! It just saved my time! Thankyou sir!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome! That is the goal of this channel ;-)
@catcam
@catcam 3 года назад
Thanks for great content again ... all best from Croatia
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome!
@Debraj1978
@Debraj1978 3 года назад
Very practical and useful video. To me, RF always looks like a black magic and your video definitely defies such thinking.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
RF for sure is not the easiest topic. This is why it is on this channel ;-)
@amircrashmaster2011
@amircrashmaster2011 2 года назад
Thanks for your time
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
My pleasure!
@my_tube9405
@my_tube9405 3 года назад
Loved the video. You spoke of Teflon. I thought I'd share info about how it was discovered in 1938. "Plunkett’s first assignment at DuPont was researching new chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants-then seen as great advances over earlier refrigerants like sulfur dioxide and ammonia, which regularly poisoned food-industry workers and people in their homes. Plunkett had produced a hundred pounds of tetrafluoroethylene gas (TFE) and stored it in small cylinders at dry-ice temperatures before chlorinating it. When he and his helper prepared a cylinder for use, none of the gas came out-yet the cylinder weighed the same as before. They opened it and found a white powder, which Plunkett had the presence of mind to characterize for properties other than refrigeration potential. He found the substance to be heat resistant and chemically inert, and to have very low surface friction so that most other substances would not adhere to it. Plunkett realized that against the predictions of polymer science of the day, TFE had polymerized to produce this substance-later named Teflon-with such potentially useful characteristics." From ScienceHistory.org
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you for the historical update. We see, also our fathers played with technology...
@jontallman3878
@jontallman3878 3 года назад
Great info. Cheers from Austin!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@tomdonahoe3539
@tomdonahoe3539 3 месяца назад
Excellent information 👍
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 месяца назад
Glad you think so!
@scottieschmitz71
@scottieschmitz71 Год назад
Great Video, I really learned a lot! TY
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Год назад
:-)
@vinhdat82
@vinhdat82 3 года назад
Very informative. Thanks a lot.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome!
@tec4303
@tec4303 3 года назад
I would love to see videos like this for other antenna designs, especially directional ones.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Most viewers are not HAM operators and therefor not legally allowed to use directional antennas. So you have to go to another channel for this info :-(
@ModestMaker
@ModestMaker 3 года назад
Thank you Andreas. I was going to spend $$$ on a formal RAK antenna for a Lora Gateway at our hacker-space. Now I can use the money to purchase a VNA analyzer and build my own!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
The RAK antenna is also ok... But the NanoVNA can be used for many other antennas...
@pramitchaudhury1821
@pramitchaudhury1821 3 года назад
Awesome content as always ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you!
@AgentBignose
@AgentBignose 3 года назад
Excellent I love your videos!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you!
@abdifatahaden4761
@abdifatahaden4761 10 месяцев назад
One of the best channels on youtube.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 10 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@paulhastings3109
@paulhastings3109 2 года назад
You just amazing. I makes think and sometimes it's crazy Thank you
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Thank you!
@viniciusfriasaleite8016
@viniciusfriasaleite8016 3 года назад
Your videos are amazing! I'm working on a radar sensor for motorcycle's detection and your work is going to be very useful
@viniciusfriasaleite8016
@viniciusfriasaleite8016 3 года назад
@Peter Mortensen I don't know :( because I just joined the project, besides being very excited about it, I don't know many details
@viniciusfriasaleite8016
@viniciusfriasaleite8016 3 года назад
@Peter Mortensen 76 to 81 GHz =)
@PamSesheta
@PamSesheta 3 года назад
MMANA-GAL falling from the sky! I’ve used that program in undergrad rf classes, it is quite an amazing freeware program!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
True!
@coderdojoAN
@coderdojoAN 3 года назад
Really nice tutorial on building a ground plane antenna. Thanks Andreas - VK3TWC / Trevor
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome! 73 de HB9BLA
@c.santibanezsoto
@c.santibanezsoto 3 года назад
Wow, this makes me remember my years at University. Cool project!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you!
@victorsantana2744
@victorsantana2744 3 года назад
Very good video, thanks!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Glad you liked it!
@davidbee3704
@davidbee3704 2 года назад
Ausgezeichnet! Grüße aus Australien. Subscribed. 👍
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Welcome aboard the channel! Und vielen Dank.
@ehvway
@ehvway 2 года назад
As always meine Herr, usefull and interesting video's with the cool swiss accent 😎
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Thank you!
@Bleibruk
@Bleibruk 3 года назад
That's very interesting! Thanks!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Glad you liked it!
@LarryKapp1
@LarryKapp1 3 года назад
Nice job on the video - good info for everyone .
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you.
@zachreyhelmberger894
@zachreyhelmberger894 3 года назад
Excellent presentation and and I finally understood the difference between PL-259 and SO-239 !!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
It is still not obvious why they used different numbers...
@zachreyhelmberger894
@zachreyhelmberger894 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess I played with CB radios in the late 80s and remembered PL-259 but SO-239 always threw me, LOL!
@zachreyhelmberger894
@zachreyhelmberger894 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess BTW, have you heard of a sleeved monopole antenna? I was reminded of it last night while I had a UHF magnet mount antenna connected to the NanoVNA. The SWR was about 1.5 but if I carefully wrapped my hand around the driven element without touching it, I could get the SWR down to REALLY low and it was broad and flat which is ideal for GMRS. Here is a video about using it for WiFi. I am trying to send WiFi through about a meter or two of dirt from inside our buried polyethylene cistern so we can monitor the water level (using an ESP8266) from inside the house. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-78ECVt7OHl8.html
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thanks for the link. I never tried one. But maybe I have to build one...
@jesuscardona5184
@jesuscardona5184 3 года назад
I love your vídeos. Thanks..
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome!
@MarcioTorres
@MarcioTorres 5 месяцев назад
Hi, thank you for making this video full of important information available!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 5 месяцев назад
You are welcome!
@Ne3M1
@Ne3M1 3 года назад
Excellent tutorial
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Glad you think so!
@HypherNet
@HypherNet 3 года назад
Wow. This was super interesting for an amateur Maker. I'd love to see you do similar videos about different Antenna designs.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you. This channel is more about electronics with some extensions to RF and antennas. So do not expect too much in this topic :-(
@Texas1FlyBoy
@Texas1FlyBoy 3 года назад
I encourage you to seek out other channels to find more about antenna designs. There are many good channels that will help. Be warned... Pure antenna design is *very* mathematical in nature! I would need advanced training in calculus to understand it. Instead, I use ideas from others and use the tools available to me, such as MMANA-GAL. And, of course, experimentation. I made one antenna from copper foil tape and laminated it with plastic. It works quite well!
@andreyl2705
@andreyl2705 Год назад
nice work. Thank you)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Год назад
You are welcome!
@jomama5186
@jomama5186 Год назад
Thank you !
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Год назад
You're welcome!
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 3 года назад
The 0.95 velocity factor varies with wire diameter as a proportion of wavelength. In addition the effective length of a wire is also increased by the ‘end effect’ - it behaves as if the wire end has a capacitor on it - also proportional to frequency. This is why we always start long and snip down to resonance / minimum SWR.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are right. For me the VF is just an indicator for somebody without an instrument.
@stevegables3303
@stevegables3303 3 года назад
Who are you, Mr. Spiess, so wise in the ways of science?! You are putting my generation in an invaluable position to recieve information. The hobby still lives, and we intend to continue to contribute to its beauty. Now I wonder if an amateur radio license will impress the ladies or not...🤓🤔
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
It will for sure not impress ladies ;-) But I am married to a wonderful woman. So there is hope.
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi 2 года назад
I had similar results to your ugly antenna using tests for Aircraft tracking. The signal plot graph was so good. i just pulled the core out of coax cable and used it as elements.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Cool!
@asankabandara3677
@asankabandara3677 2 года назад
Superb....
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Thank you!
@FFWrench
@FFWrench 3 года назад
Very good vid Andreas! Something to try, when putting heat shrink or something else over the radiator element, even if an insulator, it affects the s-parameters of the antenna. So adding conformal coating likely will change the tune of the antenna. If I remember correctly adding heat shrink to the antenna radiator moves the 50 ohm point down in freq. And when tuning the antenna on a VNA with a coax I would highly recommend a ferrite beaded coax to prevent the coax from becoming a radiator. I was working on an antenna that I had tuned nicely and one of my engineers noted the lack of a beaded coax and I installed one and it made a huge difference in my antenna design. It was a small 750 MHz ground plane very similar to what you have designed there for weather balloon frequencies.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are right: Adding plastic changes the response of the antenna. I would not do conformal coating on the radiator. I used Aluminum because of that. I only would cover the connector. Most people suggest using ferrites for (stronger) transmitters to protect the equipment. The cable should not radiate too much if the antenna is 50 ohms. But maybe I have to try it with a LoRa ground plane...
@FFWrench
@FFWrench 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess I was on a Agilent N5230A PNA and was spot on 50 ohms and adding the ferrite beaded coax really changed it away from 50 ohms for the desired frequency, my PhD RF Engineer showed me how much the coax was radiating. Really surprised me. I didn't have any idea. But touching the coax almost anywhere on it had a noticeable effect on the VNA. Try having it on the VNA, and handle the coax and see how much it changes. A comment one of my engineers made is a 50 ohm resistor is perfectly matched, it just doesn't radiate, but on the VNA is looks perfectly matched. We did a LOT of antenna testing on our Satimo Starlab. I did test this antenna (very similar to yours, just smaller for 750 MHz) and it was a beautiful radiation pattern. Those ground planes are very nice omnidirectional antennas.
@umutk5614
@umutk5614 3 года назад
That is very interesting for me, thanks for the video Andreas. With such a knowledge and equipment in your hand, i would like to see a comparison video between on the shelf wifi antennas vs ground plane. May be a Yagi antenna also. Anyway thanks for the great video.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
I did some tests with directional antennas... Nothing planned in the near future.
@derosram9333
@derosram9333 3 года назад
Outstanding Video 👍
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you very much!
@australai
@australai 3 года назад
Thanks for the overview. Some details are missing about actually joining the material and specific parts used. So for some clarity: The flanged SMA connector used as a base for the antenna has holes of roughly 2.6mm I.D. This would pair well with M2.5 screws and nuts. The flange plate of the SMA connector is about 1.6mm thick, so a threaded length on the screws of about 4mm should allow for space to lock the terminal with a nut. It is also unclear what size knurled copper insert is used to connect the vertical radiating element. As a guess I would say they are M3*5*4. It's ambiguous how this is joined to the coaxial cable tip of the SMA flange connector. Another guess: it is sat on top the teflon shield and solder is pooled into the insert with a gas torch. Here's a video specifically about soldering an element to an SMA connector: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-34Ii-C8kYRI.html More detailed assembly info would be appreciated!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Your assumptions concerning the dimensions are correct. My SMA connectors are different to the ones used by Andrew. I needed a "pipe" in-between. If you find the ones Andrew used it is easier.
@ariedel
@ariedel 3 года назад
Great explanation, as always (and nice Harley)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you. Now we just need a little summer...
@pavelbaidurov228
@pavelbaidurov228 3 года назад
This channel is soooo good
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you!
@MkmeOrg
@MkmeOrg 3 года назад
Great stuff!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you!
@NishanthSalahudeen
@NishanthSalahudeen 14 дней назад
Wow! Respect. When you know your sh**, you make it sound simple!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 11 дней назад
I agree, it is not always simple. But you can learn it ;-)
@fabianzuniga9097
@fabianzuniga9097 3 года назад
Vielen Dank Herr Spiess!!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Gern geschehen.
@navadeep.ganesh
@navadeep.ganesh 3 года назад
Nice. Technical and Insightful video! I remember once trying to build an aluminium foil antennae for boosting WiFi signal and ended up with nothing. Inspiration was some prank DIY video :/
@gbowne1
@gbowne1 3 года назад
Cantenna? We used to scout for public hotspots with a diy antenna and a windoes program called netstumbler.
@navadeep.ganesh
@navadeep.ganesh 3 года назад
@@gbowne1 Yep, crazy! That's supercool.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Cantennas are cool for WiFi, but probably too big for 433MHz...
@mateolassorios5514
@mateolassorios5514 Год назад
Muchas gracias.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Год назад
De nada!
@VolkerKtnbch
@VolkerKtnbch 3 года назад
A video about how to "ground" all these outdoor devices, to be safe of lightings, would interesting.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
I just pay attention that something else is higher up ;-)
@Toxicity1987
@Toxicity1987 3 года назад
If you have a lightning rod use that. Else make one. A good ground rod is at least 50cm deep in the ground, you can also put some coal into the hole for better connection.
@EgonSorensen
@EgonSorensen 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess 'something else' should be conducting and capable of withstanding large currents, not say clouds or birds ;ø) - caveat is that antennas should not be mounted near conductors or other metals... Catch-22
@Joachim_S
@Joachim_S 3 года назад
From my earlier days as an electrician, I can say that standing antenna pipes on the roof in Germany have to be grounded with 16 mm² copper wire.
@zeljkoadzic1692
@zeljkoadzic1692 3 года назад
You can ground antenna with calculated aircoil on antenna.
@oakkar7
@oakkar7 3 года назад
Great video as usual. BTW, when you measured resonantor length, it included teflon + copper thread or only AL pipe length? I am concerned 0.7cm difference come from this!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
It included everything from rage connector „plate“ to the top
@jmaguilarr
@jmaguilarr 3 года назад
Another great video thx Andreas,
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome!
@jmaguilarr
@jmaguilarr 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess Maybe an idea for a video .... , For very low bandas , like AM or Medium Wave radios, its possible to use short antennas ?, like a 1 meter long ?, what technique ist necesary ?, thx
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You always can use short antennas. Usually they do not perform well :-(
@jmaguilarr
@jmaguilarr 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess does ground plane antennas always need an inductor ? i like built an rf control using AM modulation with difernten tones , but for low frecuencies the antennas are too big !! ( well, i know very little about antennas ), they are really aproblem for this proyect
@judhi
@judhi 3 года назад
Great video as always! I think the calculator included the cable velocity factor (
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
I am not sure. The reference plane of an antenna should be its connector.
@stuartmartin3408
@stuartmartin3408 3 года назад
The velocity factor in the calculator is for the bare wire or rod in free space used to make the antenna. 95% is reasonable for most wire antennas.
@judhi
@judhi 3 года назад
So the velocity factor is not for the cable but for the antenna material itself?
@stuartmartin3408
@stuartmartin3408 3 года назад
@@judhi In this case for the calculator that Andreas used it was for the antenna material. Coaxial cables also have a velocity factor to consider , like RG58 is around 65% i think if remember correctly. For the test with VNA Andreas connected directly to the SMA connector on the VNA, that was his reference plane. You can however calibrate the VNA reference plane to the end of a coax if you need to. There are a few videos on the subject on RU-vid.
@bartk174
@bartk174 2 года назад
What a Legend
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
:-)
@piotrswiatkiewicz3259
@piotrswiatkiewicz3259 3 года назад
Andreas, I like all your videos a lot, thank you much for creating good content! One remark: @12:28 you say "it [the gain] multiplies the power output of your device by a factor of 3". I guess you should re-state that :) Otherwise, one may have an impression they would get 3W from a 1W emitted from their TX device.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
You are welcome. They get the equivalent of 3 W emitted to the air. I hope this was clear for most. At least nobody asked so far ;-)
@piotrswiatkiewicz3259
@piotrswiatkiewicz3259 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess OK, agreed - with the important note: the RF level in a small spatial angle that is the same as if from an isotropic antenna fed with 3 watts of RF power. Obviously, in other directions, it is way less than the RF level obtained from such an isotropic antenna (for example, as you pointed out in your video, for the vertical direction - i.e. straight up from the antenna).
@Chris-ZL
@Chris-ZL 3 года назад
Another excellent video How are you soldering the Aluminium rod? i.e. what solder + flux combination? I personally prefer a J-Pole over the ground plane, but currently use a Flower-pot antenna for 2 & .7m which I guess is a bit more like the ground plane in its operation
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Welding aluminum seems to be a problem. I did not know, I just did it with standard solder and a lot of heat. Maybe it worked because the rods are not pure aluminum. The j-Pole for 868 was not easy to build without a VNA because of the small dimensions. It is probably ok for lower frequencies.
@zeljkoadzic1692
@zeljkoadzic1692 3 года назад
Precious thank you
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Glad you liked it!
@proweb7271
@proweb7271 Год назад
nice vidéo, thank you :)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Год назад
You are welcome!
@nutsnproud6932
@nutsnproud6932 3 года назад
I used to make 2m and 70cm YAGI antennas for HAM radio contesting. I never thought of using a ground plane antenna for wifi I will give it a go. 73.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
They are quite neat compared with one for 2m...
@npc9352
@npc9352 3 года назад
Andreas - you'll retire in ~15 years, but engineering students will keep learning from your videos.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Thank you! I will "officially" retire next year ;-)
@101jtag
@101jtag 3 года назад
Nice one again sir ! If the Smith chart indicates the need for any passive components, where and how would you add them to the circuit ? What type of components work best ?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
This is not a simple question. Maybe you google „antenna tuner“
@freedom2000
@freedom2000 3 года назад
Thank you Andreas for this nice video. Please could you confirm that the "A" length of the vertical rod is counted from the ground plane to the tip (as shown on the drawing) and not from the solder point to the tip ? JP
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
Yes, it is from the reference plane to the top. The reference plane is somewhere inside the SMA connector
@SimonShaws
@SimonShaws 3 года назад
Andreas, great basic video instruction. I really like the Teflon SMA connectors. May I ask which software you are using with the NanoVNA? Also, the aluminium rods, do you have a link for these?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
I think the SW is called NanoVNAsaver, but I am not sure. I bought the rods in Germany. So the link would not be useful elsewhere...
@JohnBaxendale
@JohnBaxendale 3 года назад
Great video! A couple of questions for later videos perhaps? 1) Can you explain the effect of different thickness of material on the antenna? I believe a thinner diameter generally has a narrower bandwidth, meaning it can help "focus" on a signal and reflect interference, but I've seen conflicting info. 2) Any hints as to better antenna designs for receive only antennas? Does it make sense to use a different design if radiating is less needed? 3) Copper versus Aluminium, does it really make much difference for our typical usages?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
This is not an antenna channel. I only covered the basics which is interesting for many viewers who build LoRa or other devices. But you find a lot of channels dealing with antennas and antenna design. The antenna for receiving usually is the same as for transmitting. It is less critical because a bad antenna cannot hurt your device. Thicker wires usually lead to a broader bandwidth Aluminum is very similar to copper. The (electrical) difference is small
@avinadadmendez4019
@avinadadmendez4019 Год назад
Not a RF expert, but thicker wires can slightly alter your impedance (higher capacitance/lower inductance), so keep that in mind
@donpalmera
@donpalmera 3 года назад
I think one thing that would be useful is a proper tutorial on using your minivna to properly add an antenna to cheap RF modules. I've seen lots of projects were people have used a premade module that doesn't have an antenna and thought that just sticking a trace with the right length on their board is enough. Now the tools to do it properly are within makers reach we should really be trying to do it properly.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
I made a video on how to use a VNA. For the topic you proposed, my video would be very short: Do not do it because most people have no idea what they do. It needs to re-engineer the design to find out which impedance is where you cut and then to match a newly build antenna. I go with boards with a connector where I can assume it is around 50 ohms. But still, I have to hope they copied the reference design of the manufacturer...
@VolkerKtnbch
@VolkerKtnbch 3 года назад
Funny, after seeing your videos on the weather balloons, I thought I would need a video on building a suitable antenna for the rtlsdr stick. But I managed to do it by myself. I used the nano vna for tuning as well. What came out is the exact same antenna you built! It's working for a coupler of weeks now.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
It is the most basic design. This is why I chose it (and you probably too)
@VolkerKtnbch
@VolkerKtnbch 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess in the video I can hardly see the gain. Do I see right, that it's over 30!? That's a lot and would explain the 200km. I have around 20dB and 80km. How did you do that?
@VolkerKtnbch
@VolkerKtnbch 3 года назад
I used a SO239 plug as a base. Didn't know the 100mhz limit. I used messing pipes. And I included the cable in the measurements.
@VolkerKtnbch
@VolkerKtnbch 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dNHS_3Qjo4c.html
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
It is probably not a limit. Did you watch ma VNA video about reference planes? Might be interesting.
@MAndresRaM
@MAndresRaM 3 года назад
Informacion útil y explicación clara. Gracias por usar y permitir la opcion de CC en español.👍
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
De nada. Luciana traduce los subtítulos en español
@MAndresRaM
@MAndresRaM 3 года назад
@@AndreasSpiess Gracias a Luciana, si no es indiscreción, se puede saber quien es Luciana?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
A student from Argentina
@gurudattapanda
@gurudattapanda 3 года назад
I will say for that frequency, a Dipole antenna construction will be more easier. You don't need to buy anything at all.. Take a piece of RG58 separate the bread and core in different direction by stripping the outer insulation. Your dipole should be ready. And more interestingly the VNA is definitely a good tool here, but for general audience a simple Impedance bridge or a reflection loss bridge will also work fabulously. But this video really helps those kids putting the same rubber ducky antenna on NRF24, LORA, Zigbee, FM Tx, Toy cars, RC remotes and expecting a better range. The idea of resonance is what matters and that's beautifully said in the video.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
A dipole for sure also works. But it has a higher impedance. Because I wanted to show a perfect match, a ground plane was a better choice for me. It is also quite easy to build for those high frequencies.
@joelong9260
@joelong9260 3 года назад
This type of dipole will work but you need a choke on the outer shield if you are running any appreciable power or want a decent radiation pattern.
@gurudattapanda
@gurudattapanda 3 года назад
@@joelong9260 For HAM operators, 10 turns of coaxial on a 4-inch PVC pipe works, for non-licensed ISM band the Tx power is damn low, it may not matter. But to make it 50 Ohms, a little bit inverted vee configuration can be done to accommodate impedance. And the perfect isotropic radiation pattern may not be possible with a dipole as we know in general. In that case, a vertical 1/4 wave is good enough.
@BryanTorok
@BryanTorok 3 года назад
I may try one of these to improve the range and reliability of my garage door opener. I think it is in the 433 MHz range. The opener just uses about a 6 inch (15 cm) piece of wire. However, the main door is steel and I think that reduces the signal strength. If I build an external antenna, I can mount is where the door will not block the signal.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад
The frequency usually is marked on the devices. If not, maybe you watch my videos about 433MHz hacking
@bartk174
@bartk174 2 года назад
Awesome!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
Thank you!
@doejohn8674
@doejohn8674 2 года назад
I am just starting with 'telecom stuff' and trying different antenna designs for LoRa. I got some "Autogen-Schweissdraht CFH verkupfert Ø 1,5x333 mm 15er Pack" which seems to work quite well: it is very stiff copper plated steel rods and can be bent into shape (you can find that stuff at Hornbach for example) and solders quite well. As I don't have a Harley that looked like a good option to get stiff wires 😃
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад
I also use these "Autogen-Schweissdrähte". They are perfect for short antennas.
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