3DO / M2 - E3 1995 - Press Conference - Westin Bonaventure Hotel - 2 of 2 

Dude behind the camera is legendary. Dude was right about everything.

For people criticizing the camera guy saying that he is the typical troll, all of his reactions were totally legitimate. The bs this press conference tried to pull continues today with companies trying to sell games and consoles with only prerendered videos. Kingdom Hearts 3 at 2014 e3 was the same crap where they put a life bar at the bottom of a prerender and everyone assumed it was gameplay. This guy boasting that his prerendered segments look better than the gameplay of finished games was a joke. It would be like comparing final fantasy 7's cut scenes to final fantasy 9's gameplay and claiming that ff7 was graphically superior. Funny thing was that aside from the shooter, most of his samples looked inferior.

People, you've got to understand: yes, it's very naive an epoch, but we loved it. Daydreaming about videogames was a very special thing back then. I would've never wanted it otherwise. It's the 90's we're talking here. And most people will never understand what this means.

The M2 was about 3/4 N64, 1/4 Dreamcast, and 100% Vapor.

@drunkensailor112 - That was me sounding cynical during the presentation back then - lol Like I told Barlog20 down below. These clips were originally shot for private use. I never really intended to show these videos to the world. I mean who would've guessed back in the early 1990s there would be a video online sharing service such as RU-vid ? Welcome to the 21st century - lol

I remember reading up on this console in my NextGen Mag and Electronic Gaming Monthly I would get as a kid . I was so excited at that time about this console.

@badoujobeale - Yep, I was a real skeptic of the M2 thingamajig even back then. The demos were abit exaggerated graphically. But I realize today the M2 was a step right behind the Dreamcast. So regardless it would've been a nice piece of hardware had it released when it should've.

I want to play that shooter game so badly.

honestly it was probably a good move to scrap this, had it come out it could have done well for the first few years until the dreamcast's launch in 1998/99, which ironically is the story of the dreamcast vs ps2.

the FPS game footage looks totally pre rendered

I remember looking at that first person demo and think 'bullsh*t, real time graphics will never achieve this level'. And now we have videogames that look like pixar movies!

Ooh, this is an interesting time capsule. I don't think anyone even remembers the 3DO.

@barlog20 - I attended the Press events . Press badges were easy to come by back in the 1990s. A friend and I used to run a video game newsletter / Fanzine called "G-Force" . We just provided the necessary creditials and we were accepted. Nowadays they're much more picky with whom gets media badges. I'm thrilled you're getting something out of these clips. Originally, I never thought i'd be sharing this videos to the world. They were just for private use. If only I knew then what I know now, heh

I reckon that had the M2 come out it would have been the same as the 3DO. very expensive, and would have wowed everyone with its graphics for 2 years until more powerful systems like the Dreamcast or PS2 came out.

These "gameplay" clips are pre-rendered movies in 3dsmax or something. I facepalmed myself so many times while watching this.

Trip Hawkins se columpio y mucho con esos render que no quiso hacer creer que era gameplay (sobre todo ese shooter en primera persona). Incluso la Ps2 no podia entregar ese brutal nivel grafico (estamos hablando del año 1996-97) lo que me recuerda de que Sony hizo la misma treta con la presentacion del Motorstorm y Killzone para Ps3. Esos videos me acuerdo venian en los CDs que regalaba Micromania yo me quedaba flipado con lo que veia pero tambien sospechaba que eso fuera solo render.

Miss my 3do wish them days were back 1994 street fighter was awesome, lots of games were good worked as vcd player

I like how they even put goddamn DoF in the pre-rendered scene at 7:04, like come on, that didn't start to appear in games until around the time X360/PS3 came out, didn't it?

Love the section showcasing the fake/pre-rendered FPS section, I feel like the biggest giveaway to me is the camera work. The “game” camera screams 90’s first person fmv cutscene, the looseness that almost gives you a headache, it in no way looks how a player would control a camera in-game LOL.

It’s crazy cuz literally no console could have graphics like this. Hell, not even the N64 could do this

I love the guy providing commentary pointing out what complete and utter BS the footage is. I would have been saying the same thing.

is it just me or dose the graphics look like pre renderd graphics and not real in game graphics?

i found this years ago, i always come back cuz i LOVE the commentary from the camera guy lol

The camera man commentary is fantastic 😂

i love how you are laughing at the videos they are playing.. thats awesome, i was so dumb back then i would have believed every word of it lol

Plumbers Don't Wear Ties 2?

M2 tech was way ahead of its time.

@XxSTICH666xX - Its was just the M2 chipset above the 3DO banner Hawkins was posing with for the press. I do regret not getting a shot of it though for myself. Oh well, its now history.

@JohnnyGameGuy - Actually, those awful Mario and Zelda games were on the Philips CD-I system that came almost 2 years before the original 3DO REAL player.

Grooveraider how do you get theses vids?I remember i use to buy EGM,Gamefan and numerous other Videogame magazines and i remember reading about the m2 and seeing pics of what you showed in this vid.I use to be like damn,"i wish i could go to one of these shows"You and others posting these kinda vids definitely makes up for all those videogame conferences i missed.

Loved 3DO. I really enjoyed the games. Só Sad SONY came putting competitors down. Só Sad M2 never came out.

They look like real time graphics compare to games today. Real time graphics look much better than that now. However this is 1995....

It’s since come out this entire animation was being run on a SGI computer and this demo wasn’t on real hardware.

To all of those people saying the camera guy was right...No the Hell he was not. The Panasonic M2 was a 6th generation console. Every single feature talked about by the speaker was well represented in gameplay on all 6th generation hardware that released. The only thing he was right about was the player movement but these were all tech demos from the 1990's so that gets a pass from me. For reference- There were arcade cabinets with M2 hardware running commercially released games from Konami. Further, there are almost complete unreleased games for the M2 that show quite clearly he's full of it. Here is an example of M2 games... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fx2QpcCodrI.html

Compared to the 5 games that were actually released for the M2, I would say these demos were pre-rendered frauds.

@LOLMAN22 It was. Remember Sony's PS3 E3 showing? Almost every single video was pre rendered bullshit. Motorstorm being the biggest offender. Luckily Killzone 2 looked pretty close to the pre rendered build that they showed off, but still not quite as good.

World Championship Racing was leaked for the 3DO M2. Ridge Racer Type 4 for the PS1 looks much much better.

The biggest deception in the video game industry, from showing that to what the console offers, is like going from the Ps3 to the Ps1.

It's very obvious that the FPS and car game are pre rendered. LOL!

3D0 was very much ahead of their time. Imagine if this thing actually was released, the console games we have today could be quite different graphically.

@lightdark28 - Yes, the price of the REAL Player was certainly a major factor in the demise of 3DO. Even the $200 price drop in late 1994 wasn't enough to compete with Saturn and Playstation in 1995. So you can tell by my snickering in the clips I wanted something more concrete than superficial tech demos. All we knew at the time M2 was gonna be offered to consumers in two ways.1) 3DO physical upgrade to keep cost down 2) A full fledged M2 console. Fact of the matter - M2 was behind schedule

We needed your commentary at the PS3 press conference ;O)

3:53 is a perfect example that some people back then just wanted 3D graphics for the sake of having 3D graphics even if it meant the at the expense of gameplay. That bull-shot demo although looks graphically better than Doom, doesn't look fun at all. People wanted Jurassic Park even if it played like a flaming turd.

Didn't the N64 have most if not all these features when it made its debut a year later?

He showed a couple of pre rendered videos and people went crazy lol

My limited knowledge of the Saturn and PSX suggest that trying to do dymanically-computed textures on them would be extraordinarily arduous. With M2, it's a snap. This lets you easily and cheaply pull tricks like "video feedback." In fact, one of our earlier demos had a TV set object which was displaying the current camera view. So when you moved the camera to point at the TV screen... It was pretty cool. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- D the demo tape featuring the D&D-style monster fight and the racing game were fakes... excuse me, simulations, created using Alias. The animations were based on a set of theoretical rendering speeds, which were later shown to be tremendously optimistic when actual silicon arrived. Still, the numbers we did get out of BDA were pretty damn impressive; 300K polygons/sec in a typical case (2x N64), 500K if you're dilligent... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab - THOSE* demos! You mean the ones with sailboat in the lagoon and Bossie the cow (actually a hermaphrodite; it had horns *and* an udder) behind the cyclone fence? I had completely forgotten about those. Yeah, those videos were generated using a software simulation of the BDA chip. They were extremely legit, and in fact the Bossie-behind- the-fence demo was ported to real hardware, and worked precisely as advertised. I don't think anyone ever got around to porting the sailboat program; the people who wrote it were immersed in more important things by the time real silicon showed up. You've seen the N64 controller, right? Well, the prototype M2 controller I saw looked very similar. However, it was built using prototype plastics. For those of you who have never seen the stuff before, it's this yellowish-white substance that isn't very pretty (it doesn't need to be; it's for prototypes). So here we are, looking at this yellowish-white thing with a long central component and two smaller roundish components at one end, and it was just completely impossible for us to keep a straight face when anyone grabbed hold of it... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab All public Opera demos were run on actual hardware. The original Opera machines were 13 boards of silicon, which were later compressed into 3 chips, but the "giant graphics engine" was the actual Opera hardware. Some of the very early very speculative PRIVATE Opera demos were mockups, but these were never represented as running on real hardware. They were in fact video tapes of our guesses as to what the hardware would eventually do. The approach to the M2 demos was another story altogether... -- "Stephen H. Landrum"

Ahhhh, the 90's. when gaming could and was both cool and VERY lame.

correct me if I'm wrong, but I also heard that there was porn on the console in the time in question, which really explains alot about this conference

@Clay3613 That wasn't announced at the e3 we are talking about.

Call him a troll if u want. But the camera man was from the future. He just left a Mike Tyson fight with his iPhone n knew no m2 was in the future

....this can't be. This feeling... ...it's like CitizenCon....

I like the way it was commented live!

fail, they only showed 2 games preview and rendered lol

lo mejor de la consola, todo ese humo en formato de mpeg

Video was recorded in 1995 by the camera man who was from 2001.

Thanks GrooveRaider!!!

the video would be more pleasing if it wasn't raping our vision with those constant scrolling urls.

well we know some of the things shown off are probably on m2 hardware

The camera man was the one who didn’t buy into that crap that was shown during the presentation. These pre-rendered graphics...common, neither the Dreamcast, PlayStation 2 or I would dare to say even the Xbox 360 have graphics like that. I don’t know why companies always do that, it’s like showing a customer a video of a Ferrari and at the end they get a 1985 Chevrolet Cavalier. Why they have never been sued for fraud and lying to the people I will never understand. They should be punished by law for misleading the public.

the weird thing is, when I look at those tech demos, they have a very FMV look to them , im not sure that its all real time 3D. if they are FMV, then it would have been very disappointing for people who would have bought it

seventeen years later and consoles still can't do them graphics, maybe ps4/x720 then?

First four things right out the gate were on N64 already. . . .

Z buffer, perspective correction? Sounds like the N64 to me!

@Grooveraider Well perhaps you should have maybe, you know, applied a standard watermark in one of the corners like 99% of everyone else. We know the video is yours, we got that point when we saw that the footage was personally recorded and saw your URL for the first time. I wasn't going to say anything until I saw this comment. It's just unnecessary and not unlike something 3DO might have done, lol.

amaizing!! what if the console was released!!! it would be going very well nowadays! and 3do will be up! and we would have been having another electronic company such as sony! making gaming consoles

Did the fps game ever come to anything

@Yoshiman XD - I was so pessimistic with 3DO back in the day. And now you see what became of the M2 hardware - heh

There's no denying that M2 had potential who knows it could have been a REAL player in the market, wasn't as if it was inferior to the competition..

the Fps and the Racing game are just pre-rendered videos...

lol those guys commentating was this actually recorded then or recorder afterwards??

Most of the non-mainstream video game platforms completely escape me. After all, I live in Europe, so in order for something to come over here, it needs commercial success in the states first.

3:44 this looks similar to GeForce 256 graphic demos

3do was a great system really ahead of its time

Haha those "gameplay" clips at the end are the most scripted bullshit I've ever seen.

also , there arent really any game demos as such. hardware is only as good as the games on it,, so unless there are real game demos, all the tech demos arent that important

@gamesDAMNED - I remember it - im probably still paying the fucker off somewhere within my accumulated debts,,,,, but,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i would do it all again given the chance,, having a snes then seeing fifa demoing in a shop WOWWWWWW - it was a sweeeet time

Too bad it won't look like that

8:05 Am I the only one who hears Kingdom Hearts music?

@EnigmaHood Apparently you didn't see Microsoft Kinect

Да и сейчас тот FPS, что в ролике неплохо смотрится! )))

Ack!" Of course I know it! Hotel Mario and those awful zelda games were on it, how could I forget?

Most of these demos are SUCH bullshit. I can't believe people actually clapped for some of those, which were obviously pre-rendered.

7:31 they say ''Let's see how gameplay looks like'' and they started to show a prerendered video for a first person shooter..It is funny how they wanted to attract people to buy that console when actually the graphics were worse than ps1......

Pre-animated gameplay.. I am not familiar with 3DO though.

LOL super fake gameplay.

@EnigmaHood Sony paid a big price for that lie...lost market share, lost exclusive titles, lost reputation among other things. Trying to pass CG trailers as real time stuff = maximum fail

These tech demos were awful. The stuff that looked like it was rendered on actual hardware was generic and extremely limited. I get that they were trying to highlight particular hardware effects but stuff like perspective-correct texturing or the lack thereof was easily visible in games back then. They could have shown actual gameplay and still pointed out the graphical differences to highlight those features. The dinosaur demo is pathetic. Why would you use such a generic asset when you could just program something from the ground up that would have looked so much better? And why put a dinosaur in there at all? It doesn't make any sense. Trip talks about the high framerate yet the animation is so slow, it makes the framerate FEEL low. And to compare that to Virtua Fighter? Ridiculous! All of the things mentioned so far make it seem like M2 development was practically non-existent at this point (which really brings into question whether a 1996 launch would have been realistically possible). However the biggest offender is the pre-rendered footage. Not only is it pre-rendered, but it's not even representative of a game that is actually in development! I mean it's one thing to show off recorded footage or even rendered footage of an actual game, but to show two things that aren't even planned games is just absurd! The whole thing just feels like a basic tech introduction for hardware that is nowhere near finalized and has nothing to show from a development aspect. In other words, the hardware is not ready to show if this is how little you have. I suppose that 3DO was rather desperate to hype M2 as a selling point of the existing console to try boost sales, although I don't think I'd want to have to spend another several hundred dollars so soon after spending $399+ on the original console. Having said all that, I really do wish that M2 had made it to market as planned, by 1996 at the latest and in the form of an add-on to the original console. It probably would have fared as poorly as most add-ons do, but it would have been really cool to at least have seen some games developed for it reach retail shelves and see how it could have compared to the big 3. Maybe if 3DO had been able to finalize their hardware more quickly, they could have gotten the original console out sooner, and had the M2 add-on ready in time as well. I think if their timing had worked out better, the console could have had a lot more success.

That looked like really bad PS3 graphics

The M2 would have been way ahead of its time if it was released.

Bullshit. That's obviously pre-rendered. Real gameplay games seen like IMSA were not even as good as the best N64 games.

How about courtesy?

Vaporware!

The shit they could ONLY RENDER!!! and NOT get playing in real time back then. looks like a REALLY REALLY bad mobile game now :) Technology man!!! where the fuck are we going to be in 25 years???? we might FINALLY get that bloody jet pack!!! :)

Angry Sony fanboy filming 😆

This video is interesting, but why does the cameraman have to talk like a douchebag the entire time? Saying that Road Rash on Genesis and 3DO are the same while the Genesis version can barely render a landscape and runs at about half the framerate with barely any frames of animation. This guy clearly had no idea what he's talking about

Trip gave this same presentation in Manhattan. M2 was really interesting tech as an add on for the 3DO, I think it would have done well. The camera man is the typical neck beard asshole which plagues the internet today.

Hahaha little butthurt Sony fanboy filming this....”too bad it won’t look like that” How the hell would he know that??

What??