#pc #intelvsamd For the average gamer, Intel might be the better choice Source: www.xda-developers.com/intel-... Music: Artist: DivKid Title: Icelandic Arpeggios @No Copyright Music
Fr, Also Intel just released out to the public that their default bios power settings are causing stability problems and to recommend super fast ddr5 ram kits?? What? Why? Do you want more issues???
@@Bourinos02 Agreed. entry level gaming rig can be parted and assembled for about 700-800 dollars. No need for the 7800X3D. The single threat performance on it is maybe 5% higher than the 7800 non X3D variant.
@@erich6860 To be fair, about any entry level gaming rig with any "X3D" CPU you can get your hands on is good and will set you up for years. It's not like you'll buy the 5090 and put it in when it'll release.
@@jamescheddar4896 I'm going to have to see some benchmarks on that. So far I've only seen some games actually have a noticeable difference, and it was at 4k. The issue was that difference was still a few fps. (I remembered incorrectly) I found some benchmarks. For COD warzone 1080, 2k there is about a 18-20 FPS difference. However your talking like 150 fps vs 170. However there was the exact same FPS at 4k. I would rather take that 80 dollar price difference and add it to my storage solution. 2 TB min in my opinion, even for a budget build. Because nothing sucks more than dropping WoW, and COD and oops... out of storage.
Only incompetently overclocked i9s. No other chips. The same motherboard industry overclockers are also responsible for exploding X3Ds. I would rather have a crash that I could fix than an explosion I couldn't.
@@rluker5344 absolutely, just clue up on the Intel 13/14th gen stories, it involves a lot of RMAs and Intel failing to enforce level default settings across mobos
@@RobBCactive I have a 13900kf. Never unstable at stock, but I don't run it there because the Asus stock settings are misguided, outdated and do lend themselves to instability under load. The instability seems to be from not enough volts under heavy load, in particular shader compilation for some games. Which is repeatably caused by the CPU not having enough volts for it's frequency. Which happens when the power delivery system (that seems like it has been about the same since those Intel boxed coolers were adequate) that is set for high vdroop (Asus for example has LLC settings from 1 to 7 with 1 having the most vdroop and 7 the least, and Asus stock is 3. I use 6 and it is much more stable under load when I undervolt) drops the volts under load. Some CPUs are unstable at these low volts at "stock" settings when the motherboard also exacerbates the problem by letting the CPU use 400w that makes the volts drop eve lower with vdroop. It is a simple problem with a simple solution. Keep the CPU fed with enough volts for it's frequency for stability. The CPUs in question are fine with low load where there isn't vdroop dropping the volts, but become problematic at high load under lower vdrooped volts. Hopefully my explanation has been understandable.
First time in my life I am seeing Intel's propaganda. Things must be going pretty bad for Intel. Ho about stability problems with 13'TH and 14'TH gen processors? No, intel still better? How about insane power draw by the same processors? Basically, the message by this video is simple. Intel knows that they are garbage, but they're asking to buy Intel, because they need money.
If I remember, the "14th" gen processor is basically the 13th gen,,, but OC'd. They are getting their performance by OC'ing instead of actual real changes to design. So far AMD is actually coming up with real changes with meaningful speed increases without blowing up the power usage.
The stability problems only exist with some i9s due to inadequate motherboard power delivery and power delivery settings. Pretending that instability exists with all Intel CPUs is a lie.
@@The_Stef More temps mean more fan noise. You can probably produce twice the heat with an Intel CPU and get the same temps. Case in point: is 300+w coolable on an X3D, because it is on an Alder or Raptor. AMD needs to ditch that IHS.
welcome to ai videos giving outdated information there is no vs anymore with intel atm not to mention the performance hit intel processors took because of motherboard vendors running them outside of specification intel followed the bulldozer path amd did in the past and they hit a wall they got lazy and complacent being on top for so long without competition and flopped when they had to compete there is a good example out their 14900k vs 7950 and it takes the amd to be in eco mode 65w for intel to do the same performance full tilt and this comparison was taken before the performance hit they took
You're line a reasoning makes little sens: *Reason 4:* _Intel allows you to experiment with faster RAM speeds:_ You advise budget gamers to buy Intel + Fast Ram > this is ill advice. Fast Ram usually is sold in "premium" and expensive products and generally is not a good bang for buck investment for budgtet gamers, especially not on current Intel platforms. The extra investments would yield more performance gains in a better GPU, a better CPU, or even a very good cooling solution. *Reason 3:* _Energy efficiency isn't a huge consideration when gaming:_ >But it is a consideration, right? Then why bring this point up as a reason to buy Intel? FYI: For gamers that whish to configure their PC's to be virtually inauduble energy consumption is actually a major factor. *Reason 2:* _Intel offers better value in price sensitive segments:_ One could argue this to be true. > point given (this use to be true for AMD when they were the under dog) *Reason 1:* _Extended longevity isn't a must have for everyone._ Again, another none-issue. Why advertise this as a reason to buy Intel? Even if longevity means little to you, it still is currently an advantage for AMD, right? *Message of video:* The advantagtes AMD has don't matter so go buy Intel, but don't ask me why. 🙄
@@francoisleveille409 even with pbo and -25mv in curve optimiser mine only gets a little above 17100 points in cb23 mc while others get closer to 18500. singlecore is fine tho and im not doing much core heavy work so im still pretty happy.
@@francoisleveille409 The Intel i9s that are crashing are apparently doing so because of excessive vdroop at 300+w with motherboards that have power delivery designed for sub 200w loads. I have an 11 year old Z87 Deluxe that has 16 phase power delivery for the CPU with heatpipes and is comparable to modern motherboards in that regard. My 4770k never used power like my 13900kf. The easiest fix for keeping the volts from going too low and causing a crash is to 1. limit the max watts to something like 300w and 2. raise the LLC from a factory default of high vdroop under load to a custom setting of low vdroop under load. And good work on solving your problem. I hope your setup serves you well.
So if you are stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Intel is somehow less stupid? Too many assumptions. 13600KF + Z790 + 7200MHz CL34 RAM + 240 AIO cooler is almost double the price of 7600 + B650 + 6000MHz CL30. Let's do the math and I'm also changing currency and removing VAT: $234 + $151 + $123 + $48= $556 versus $157 + $95 + $107 = $359
These points might be valid if only Intel was actually stable 13th and 14th CPUs instead of instable and potential fast degradation nightmares and power limits all over the place with no consistency on what it is. You are correct on memory speed, but you better have a 2 DIMM board not named Asus or good luck getting even XMP 6000 2 DIMMs platinum stable. Power efficiency important for an air cooled build so excess heat not dumped into noise dampened case to cook already hot RTX 4090. 7800X3D it is for me now. But I look to Arrow Lake down the road for more cores on same tile/ring/CCD/CCX. 13th and 14th Gen spill too much heat and worse yet have reliability issues (shader compiling) as exposed in last couple months completely unrelated to 4 DIMM and Asus DDR5 XMP.
Platform Longevity isn't as big of a factor as the others things in my opinion. Unless a platform is said to last at least 5 years (which most people upgrade their pc only after 5-6 years), platform longevity isn't that big of a factor unless you are someone who frequently upgrades their PC. Other factors like Power Consumption and Efficiency and Value are much bigger factors by far.
The average gamer won't spend extra cash on premium RAM for little to no performance gain. That money will go to the GPU instead which will have a noticeable performance gain. Also, since AM5 uses less power for the CPU, it means more power available for a GPU. This is important if upgrading the GPU in a prebuilt as they don't come with the best power supplies. Some games are particularly CPU-intensive these days. This video is nonsense and smells of Intel bias.
AI VOICE Blasphemy, AMD isnt money greed company as intel is... you get i5 ok you get i7 better you get i9 even better.. (Was using intel cpus before and went for amd never going back). While you get ryzen 5( 5600x is slower for like 10 fps then i9 12900ks,diference is you can cool 5600x with 212x or U12S,while for i9 you need expensive AIO, not to mention power usage)... Ryzen 5 gaming , 7 gaming/streaming (even WHO DF stream with cpu ? Nvidias encoder doesnt even feel encoding), ryzen 9 video production (many get ryzen 9 with high end gpus but ryzen 9 wont give more fps then 5), and there is threadripper for workstations... How many generations of intel cpus can be installed on same motherboard ? Right that much 1 , While for AMD all FX cpus and Ryzen CPUs to 5000 series.. Like for example 5800x3d can give you about 80 fps more then 5600x in 1080p while in 1440p its just 10 fps of a difference in game you have 800 fps you will see a difference to 810 ? Right...
If you go team blue and green you'll spend way more money, he keeps talking about prebuilts throughout this video. I'm 100% team red, going team blue/green is just to expensive and all I want to do is have a gaming rig. I built my ryzen 5 5600g (rx6600) and ryzen 7 7700x (rx7800xt), the ryzen 7 is considered upper mid tier and is way more affordable. Don't believe me, just check micro centers bundle deals and on the am5 platform I still have room to grow, its a no brainer. Oh and the ram issue you talk about is a motherboard issue which works its way out with bios updates, all cpu's regardless of who makes them intel or amd have growing pains but eventually get solved. Never buy a cpu when it first releases as it going to have issues, let the bios catch up to the cpu.
5600g is comparable to a 10700k in gaming. Not inadequate, but no 5600x. And you will do better financially in the log run if you don't have to keep upgrading parts on the same platform. Get something good for 5-10 years and just upgrade your GPU as needed.
