Facts. Like people love to say that oh if your ugly just work on ur humor or go to the gym. Most of us lonely guys are actually funny as hell and are told by all our friends we are the funniest people to be around but people dont want to actually admit how shallow they are when it comes to dating. Why wouldnt women care as much about looks as men? I honestly think it just goes both ways.
@@10colej being funny as a ugly dude is a permanent friend zone sentence, you are litteraly one of the girls for the female you want to pick up. I mean just imagine the disrespect the dude is getting by being put in the "i feel him like he is one of my girl friends" that literally means she dose not see you as a male human being, therefore no matter how much weights you lift or how tall shoes you wear, in her mind you are one of her girls, she will never have the hotts for you. Now im the last guy to ever tell you "just give up bro" NO, Don't give up, try as many times as you like, but never sit there in the friend zone and be funny for a girl that will never be attracted to you sexually. Never play the clown role for females who openly state you are just their friend
@@one-eyedking9674 most of the time those "signals" are just her teasing you just so you'll give her attention and when you try to talk to her she says she's not interested.
@@one-eyedking9674 yeah that's how I do it. I wait to see if a girl is giving me choosing signals. Also, if you're looking at a girl and she looks back, don't break eye contact. If she does, see if she looks interested or not. If she is, go from there. It's our world guys, let's act like it (in a positive manner of course).
A guy can simply say "hello" and be considered "creepy" if the woman is not attracted to him. I've seen so many women bad mouth guys behind their back for simple things like that.
@@marceloarctic... I'm not Stereotyping by my experience... I've had more abuse and physical aggression from men... even gay men I've met... this is not a gender specific problem. But to say females aren't aggressive is nonsense too.
My motto is rejection from a woman can be a way God saving you from a headache you don't need. The woman that's meant for you won't reject you. Give her a compliment and keep on moving.
There is no "woman thats meant for you" there is only woman that find you either attractive, attractive&interesting or unattractive. "Real love" is disney blue pill
@@anonymus2586 Theres IS women meant for you. Not in the romantic sense. Just in the scentific and common sense sense... Like, theres women compatible with you. And by you I mean the REAL YOU. So, if you want to not waste time, around women, just be you and you'll see the women compatible with you naturally. If theres sexual tension then jackpot, thats your woman.
Men should never approach women. It only increases her bargaining chip in a relationship and power in her hands. Women must start approaching in todays times.
A job interview where the job, if hired, is to entertain 24/7 and throw your money at your employer, and eventually if you're hired full time on staff (marriage) and she decides to fire you, her lawyers will take half your stuff and half your future income for life.
@@007phokus At no point in human history has it been a job interview. Not having a relationship with the opposite sex is unhealthy, but today women and to a lesser extent men have been so corrupted that having one is also unhealthy. This is not the way humans have evolved to exist, and "just dont take the job" is not a real solution.
#1 tip for learning how to develop confidence: Stop giving a f@&k. You're nervous because you're doing something you're not comfortable doing and you are in your head. Start just complimenting strangers and striking up conversations fully intending for it not to go anywhere or mean anything. Remove the stakes. Dare yourself to make a compliment or random remark to a woman every day and just walk away after a short interaction. Do this until you realize those women are just other people going about their shitty days like you are. Then when it could easily just be another random throwaway conversation for you, that's when you're ready to make a move.
Yeah, so good man. Really solid , accurate, articulated advice. Solid. Unfortunately, though, for me anyways, once you learn to not give a fuck, then, I can't learn to give a fuck (OR FUCK , for fuck sakes, to even spite the girl). Cos I can tell you, the minute you realize the realization of your above post, you are free, and delivered from evil; there's no way to go back to caring or wanting or desiring. I purposely lead women on now, and fuck them up in the head. I get off on rejecting them. It turns me on mentally that they think they're gonna get sex from me when I have NO intention what-so-ever. I've turned the tables on feminism, and well, yeah, I've fucked up more fucks than been fucked. I've turned down more women than I've been with. But, what's it all about really? Isn't sex just an over-rated, underwhelming boringly objective social construct designed to exploit the virtues and vulnerabilities of men? Isn't sex just the objectification of men by women? Isn't that really what sex is and has been for over 2,023 years, since, time immemorial? It's women gaslighting men. Then, if you do get "lucky" (or, unlucky as I would say), you either get charged with rape 33 years later, OR, she wants and abortion, (or she doesn't want one, depending on where you stand with Roe v. Wade). Women are a pestilence to society. Surely to God there's got to be another better species out there!?! Jesus.
@@matthewbaumann630 Get a good hairstyle that matches you, usually a nice clean fade and not long ass droopy hair. Dress nicely like an alpha chad would and there you go.
One thing that helps me is to have casual conversations with people I interact with from time to time local waitress, hair stylist, or even co-workers. Not necessarily being romantic but just breaking out of my comfort zone and be more conversational in order to connect with others. It really helps boosting confidence
Yep, I'm almost 40 and have always sucked at approaching women.. just appearing comfortable even if you're not helps so much and practicing with the random interactions you have during the day does help a ton
If you’re an attractive lad, what you say and how you say it doesn’t matter all too much. If you are not incredibly attractive, what you say and how you say it matters a lot more
Ye these types of comments are frowned upon because they dont give context, and because people (like myself) will see the comment and then not bother watching the whole video… which cuts into content creators ratings and ad revenue. However, having said that, content creators COULD help themselves out alot by doing this themselves (in the actual video) and giving a short brief overview of the context that the tip will have. So while these types of comments hurt content creators, they serve the purpose of showing content creators a better way to make videos other than “hey wait its a surprise! Watch the whole video to find out my non original take on not being creepy and how to have confidence, be funny, and attractive all at the same time while being genuine and alive to the moment”
Attraction is important, but here is a HUGE thing nobody really talks about. We’re all different and are attracted to different things. Just because 1 girl says your not attractive doesn’t mean you’re unattractive. Some women dislike bald guys, some love them. Some men like thick girls others don’t it’s not a personal thing, don’t let your pride get you down.
OMFG no one is talking about "1 Girl" here, everyone knows that. Just stop with the BS. You idiots will do anything to make it the guys fault, even if he has half his face drooping from a nerve injury. It can't possibly be that girls in general aren't attracted to people who look like Two-Face. Nope, it's "take 5 more showers" or "be 10x more confident". Stfu it's just annoying how you think people still believe this crap.
All women are attracted to a man with a big fat bank account. Almost no men are attracted to a woman with money because we already know that's "her" money and she will never share.
I can say from experience, that when approaching a random girl and sparking up a conversation, it's important to be preceptive to her demeaner. If you're feeling like she's being aloof, and with short answers, she may very well want to be alone. Doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. She just may not be interested, or she's preoccupied with something in her life. In that case, it's important to pick up on that early. If instead, she is being conversational back, it's a clear signal she's possibly interested, and that would be a good time ask her out. The point being, you can tell pretty quickly if it's the right time to ask for her number. Could be a bad day. Or she may just not like you. But being receptive towards her demeanor is an important skill to learn imo.
Yeah I feel like a lot of guys in here that are frustrated pay little or no attention to the receptivity of a woman. Like you said, if she's being cold, short or aloof, politely excuse yourself and cut your losses. You will know as soon as you say two words to her if she likes you or not and a lot of times before the words even exit your mouth if you pay attention. Body language doesn't lie. Even when women test you because they are interested, their body language and facial expressions are normally receptive and open. If her body language is closed off and she has a scowl on her face, she isn't testing you. She isn't interested lol. I don't know why most guys can't put that together.
Has any girl 👧 bluntly told you to get away from her and leave her the hell alone just for speaking to her? If that was the case she is probably a cold 🥶 hearted psychopath .
@@chewy99. dude apparently guys keep trying with a girl that clearly has no interest. They are under the impression that being cold and lightweight running away are "tests" lol
At the end of the day, it comes down to practice. I've always been a shy person, and have struggled with communication my entire life. This is why when you decide to put yourself out there, you have to keep in mind that you're going to inevitably make yourself look like a fool at least a few times. But the more you get comfortable with yourself, getting into awkward situations and fumbling over your words, the more situational awareness you'll develop. My dad told me that when he first started trying to ask out girls he would get rejected by at least 99/100 (and yes, he asked out that many women, hundreds actually), for most of his life it was a numbers game, then something clicked and he suddenly began to have more success. I'm still not great at this myself, but I have consciously put an effort to get into situations where my wit and level-head are put to the test. I've learned that my dad has his way of asking people out, and I have my own, the same will be true for you. I believe interacting with women is a skill, and just like any other skill, you need to practice to get better. Watching videos may be good for learning concepts, but you can't learn skills simply by spending time in front of a screen, you have to put in the work. Good luck to anyone and everyone who reads this long-winded comment hahaha, we're all fighting the same battle, just don't give up. Rejection is always an opportunity to learn :)
The only difference between creepy and romantic is whether she thinks you're hot. Edit: I'm sure dudes would feel the same being approached by women. Attractive women would bring positive feelings. Unattractive women would leave me wondering if they'd take a subtle hint or if I need to be direct or even harsh, regardless of any supposed "game". I understand the principle here.
Yup. To make matters worse women will often flirt with dudes they ain't even into because they want to gain validation from him. Then if he makes a move she gets to play the victim and say she felt uncomfortable and the dude was being a creep. They also just enjoy rejecting dudes it makes them feel like they are above him.
@@old_school_egyptian2903 or if she acts a way that you like, then comment on it, let her know you like it, she'll feel validated and be more likely to try to do what you like
I don’t think so, some guys just come off very creepy, whether it’s the way they talk or body language, etc. I’ve hung around quite a few girls and it’s quite easy to pick up what they find creepy. If you’re a guy that’s easy to talk to then you’re already at a head start. Ofc being more attractive puts you at a major advantage but that’s not the only factor. I’ve had friends that made this mistake too and it blew my mind lmao.
About the point regarding “approaching with confidence”: When it is said like that, as in, “just be confident!”- I think a lot of men think, “Well, why didn’t I think of that!” As if confidence is a choice. When you’re insecure, and you feel like you have nothing to offer, it’s hard to just will confidence into being: it feels like you are putting in a show for a woman. You end up thinking of what kind of man the woman you want to ask out would like, and change your behavior accordingly. You use ‘game’ to navigate your nervousness. Is “being confident” something women can just do, or is confidence just something women are just better at faking? It’s not about “being confident” for most men. What are we supposed to be confident about?? That she’ll like us? What is it about our confidence, fake or not, that is so attractive to women? That’s my question! Thank you.
I agree Jacob. The answer you will get if you ask how to be confident is 'work on yourself, bro.' But this ignores that 1) often you can do everything right and have a great life from the outside, but still feel very insecure, and 2) working on yourself is no sure-fire way of getting better anyway. Some people are just predisposed to anxious feelings no matter what. Does that really make them a worse prospective partner? Nothing worse than faking confidence, as it merely compounds that feeling of being an imposter. I think the lack of answers or understanding in this area is where a lot of incels come from. Having conversations about this sort of thing will probably help though!
@@OzmaThe I like your response. And thank you for it. It’s internal man. This “have confidence” thing, I think, lot of men need guidance on- hence the Redpill movement, hence the MGTOW movement, hence the dating gurus. From the outside, confidence-and I assume from any particular woman’s perspective- looks like “he either has it or he doesn’t”. But, I think women don’t realize that confidence is a skillset men acquire through practice….hence all the movements etc. mentioned above which anxious, hurt, and burned men are drawn to. I was drawn to them. I had my own delusions about women- and myself for that matter. I think a lot of men don’t know what women see in them, apart from what we feel about ourselves, and that is a huge blind spot in relationship dynamics. As for gaining confidence, I love Cornell West’s video on philosophy; start with the broken pieces: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YfhqEi6R5e8.html
the thing is women dont have to be that confident we dont discriminate that much on confidence actually there are some guys who prefer shy girls.we man just have wide vatiety of taste and discrimate less in general when it comes to girl
you are right, there is a lot of overlap and different ppl imagine confidence differently, but for a man in this particular situation it usually means two things - he fixed his most glaring insecurity or suppressed it up to the point, that his communication elationship are not being distorted by insecurity. Like you are not being silent just because you don`t like your voice, you don`t try to avoid smiling because you don`t like your smile, you don`t try to force conversation into something artificial to make up for insecurity etc. And next thing is that you have that inner feeling, that you are worthy man, and you are not begging her, you are not approaching a goddess, you are looking for a human being that will suit you too. This creates a different tone to your voice, different posture, different gestures etc. It is like in a shop, where you know, that you are not begging, but you are valuable client, and you have calm and respectful conversation (compared to begging for better marks while in school, for example, when therefore we had totally different tone , body language etc :D)
If you are rich and attractive, asking a girl out will be easy. There's no way to screw it up. If you're poor and unattractive, it'll be an episode of Law and Order: SVU
A quick note on something Courtney mentions about being appropriate is that people with ptsd never feel as safe as they did before an incident so its about accepting that, and that life goes on as almost everything in life is challenging, demanding
@Richard Schiffman omg, how I was forgetting about this one, I especially suck at this one, yeah, if you aren't lucky you can still spend 150,000$ on a surgery that breaks your legs, go to a 1 year of painful post-operation to get a few inches taller, Simply thing.
"#3: Be Confident" A lot of the reason why girls go through a phase or three of choosing jerks, sociopaths, and a-holes in general, is because those guys usually come off as confident. View it as some raw evolutionary survival instinct: Someone who looks like they're surviving and thriving will look confident, won't they. It's kinda like people saying to lift weights or to be tall: It's not so much about being that buff or that tall, it's about looking like you're someone who can survive and thrive. Same with the debate as to whether to "show emotion" to girls you're interested in: Does what you're showing her portray you as someone who can survive and thrive? Does how you handle yourself in arguments and sh!t tests portray you as someone who can survive and thrive? Girls who are snoots about wanting someone taller than you are basically saying that their opening bid is 6'; she's immediately passive-aggressively putting you on the defense, and it's your first sh!t test to provide a counter-offer. She's implying that 6' is what it takes to thrive out here, so if you're not 6', then what else ya got? Girls who bemoan that their men need to show more emotion are likely thinking of the 'jerks, sociopaths, and a-holes' they've shacked up with in the past, who don't or can't show normal emotions anyway; they're not talking about the good and nice guys who are invisible to them or just in orbit while they're going through their current bad boy phase. What's not said is that those bad boys were already passing other tests which just weren't being mentioned, be they indicators of hotness, intrigue, thriving, or whatever else. Regardless: If you show up looking like you can casually confidently take the lead, and lead a girl into your world and frame, where they can freely mirror your confidence and feel like they are surviving and thriving along with you, that's ticking some evolutionary box that we don't really talk about. We just say "Be Confident" and leave it at that.
The only difference between being "creepy" and flirting is if she is attracted to you. Their is no technique that can make you attractive to a woman, and their is pretty much no wrong way to approach a woman if she is attracted to you. You can not negotiate desire ever.
If a woman isn't physically or sexually attracted to you she doesn't want to get to know you...... and doesn't give a shit about anything you have to say and anything you do say on any topic will be considered creepy, weird and wrong.
Women have a way of spinning anything an unattractive man does towards the negative. IE oh hes not trying to improve his wardrobe or physique because he really wants to look better hes just doing that because he is overcompensating so he can try to get laid. Women will always think look dude no matter what you do to yourself you will always be low value so don't even bother as it will make no difference in being able to attract us
@@johnnythekid4601 This really isn't 100% true... Incels just assume every average and even below average looking dude with a decent looking girlfriend all have high paying jobs and are in transactional relationships when this obviously isn't true
@@heathjoints9845 average looking men for the most part do need some type of ''game''' and attractive personality.. No woman is going to be with some monotone boring average looking dude if they have options
What I learned in my 46 years is that you should never justify what you're doing. I still have to work on this because I am used to explaining myself. Just to look good. I need the attitude like take it or leave it
I am 45 and I just found out how to do it. I tried so many things before and nothing worked well. Now I just ask her with my body language. I just come close to her and get her attention saying "hey" or "just looking" or something like that and then I look deeply in her eyes thinking how I am f... her hard and if she likes it she will respond with a smile or she will submit... If she doesn't like it or she is just cold then I say no and I move on. It is such a great way to find the right one...
I heard this alot: "Its only creepy if your ugly" Means, if you are very attractive there is no way beeing creepy even if you do creepy shit it makes her giggle instead of "eww". Max out your looks.
@Verkünder des Massenwahns where did i say giggling is a sign of attraction? I said if you are attractive to her and do creepy shit shes not like "eww get away creep" like when your ugly to her, instead she could be giggling or whatever
Here's the harsh truth. If a woman does not feel physically attracted to you, no matter what you say or how you say it, no matter how much you try not to be creepy, she will think you are creepy because she is not attracted to you.
this is true. Thats why you approach girls on the same physical attraction level as yourself, the only way you can get a girl alot better than yourself is if you are extremely extroverted and confident, dress with huge swag etc... but even then she might be using that guy. Best thing is to jsut find someone like yourself, similar attraction level, similar level of introversy or extroversy and jus go for it
@@old_school_egyptian2903 na game is overated mate. 99 times out of 100 in healthy relationships people end up with others a very close attraction level to themselves. They have similar personalities, similar interests and overall similar desirability.
I’m reminded of the SNL skit where the unattractive guy asks the female coworker out and she screams “harassment”…then Tom Brady shows up at her desk in his underwear and she gives him her number without his asking. He puts the number in his underwear..hahahaha
It's called Status and if you have none you won't get none. Unless you have some sort of status and the only way you will get noticed is to attend events where people have status. Social gatherings, Like art auctions, real estate events where high end homes are for sale or celebrity gatherings you have been invited to. Clubs aren't the place to be now these days, just too many shootings. I once was listening to Neil Bortz talk about the Golf tournament in Augusta and he was invited to a gathering in some ritzy area called Buckhead in Atlanta and he remarked on how many hot young women where there to try and bag a professional golfer. Status.
@@johnwayne2103 it’s not just about being there it’s about actively taking part. Buying a great home, car, big investment clubs, Entrepreneur gatherings, money and developing yourself. That works.
@@gabyk2163 It really isn't through... yeah, women aren't going to date a dude with no job and will always prefer a dude making at least $30 an hour, but incels like you think the average looking women are with multimillionaires....
I always love the 'be confident' comments from women. It's hysterical. You can't just turn on confidence. Either you're comfortable with your ability to be charming and interesting, or you're not.
You can very much practice confidence. It has to do with avoiding escapism and safe zones and going out of your way to put yourself in difficult situations and mastering them. Some things are never easy but it makes a difference if you feel up to the challenge or not and you'll never feel up to it if you hide from responsibility and hardship These things aren't something you're either born with or not and a lot of the time people hold them self back from progressing in this specific area and blame someone else or the situation or what not. Not saying that's you, but a lot of the people in this comment section seem a bit delusional in this concern
First: There are many things, which can upgrade your appearance. Second: If you're a cool dude, you don't need to be hot. Remember, looks isn't everything.
@👑Moreno👑 In some cases no matter what amount of self improvement an unattractive guy does it wont help his cause. Women have a way of spinning anything an unattractive man does towards the negative. IE oh hes not trying to improve his wardrobe or physique because he really wants to look better hes just doing that so he can try to get laid. 5
@@johnnythekid4601 if you’re in good shape, dress nice and genuinely confident in yourself. She’s probably shit testing, if not then why would you bother pursuing a woman like that
Dude just be confident and positive it will make her feel so much more confident Make eye contact take your hands out of your pockets and pay attention to your body language Smile be friendly stand up straight get to know her Dude read the room bro if she says no do not keep pursuing it just be a gentlemen and tak eit has a loss or a win its all practice rejection happens to all of us Be proud of yourself for getting out of your ckmfort zone
Well said with body language and hands out of pockets. Fix ur posture sit up right chest out and be engaging with eye contact and you’ll be soiled and making her want to be around you more :).
I think the reason women find being approached in a polite manner, especially within today’s digital age, so refreshing is because everyone is hiding behind phone screens. Simon Sinek does a great job of pointing this out. A lack of genuine human interaction is detrimental to society as a whole. As it pertains to women and dating, humans have developed mate selection techniques over millions of years without the usage of digital media. Therefore, it’s more likely someone will be successful building a genuine connection through a holistic interaction, rather than one based upon superficiality a la Tinder.
Ik but i hate it cuz i approach women politely and sometimes they are just rude like. If they know im gonna ask her out. But like you don't know what im bout to say. I guess cuz she got hit on before but i "don't hit on" i actually talk and have conversations with women. But maybe shes just having a bad day but thats kinda NOT a excuse.
Compliments about hair, eyes, smile are generally accepted positively. Anything below the shoulder is not very safe to comment on at first contact. Confidence is about feeling that you are OK however she responds. And you are
The definition of feminism really depends on the person. That's why I can't just say I do or don't support it. When it comes to loving women, knowing they should be respected, and so forth, most men do support this. The big issue is that the feminism ideology has been highjacked by people in power, using the media they control, to gain votes, money, etc. Yet those profiting from this Trojan horse are some of the worst abusers of women. That's why it's so complicated. Every woman in my life tells people I treat them and help them and that I am such a good.... Yet depending on the definition, I do or don't support feminism. Many other movements based on identity, such as race, have also been Highjacked for profit, especially money, while doing the opposite of the claims. So, people can abide by their values without being a part of a group called feminism, etc.
@Malvo not at the moment, but they’re only with guys who are hot and only are interested for selfish reasons. They aren’t with guys who will stick around in other words.
Learning to approach women is like a comedian bombing on-stage. You build the confidence from getting out there and trying. Salute yourself for making the effort. Be bold and mighty forces will come your way.
Even so you can always get the fish's perspective as well as the fisherman for a more complete story. With that more full story, the individual can make a more informed choice.
She is making me laugh, tell the girl her jeans look nice. How lame. I would mock it. I would go up to her and tell her, listen, don't I look good in my jeans. Don't I look nice in this shirt. Am I not the pretties man you have ever scene. If she don't get the mocking joke, she is dumb!
Maryland Guy0326, do you think the Fisherman will tell you how to catch the Fish? If he's Fishing the Same Fish you are After? Yeah! Good Luck with that! LOL, LVL, LOL!
@@chronoszeus9267 Right, the fisherman is just going to send you on a wild goose chase so you don't fish out of the same pond, and the fish are going to 'teach' you so badly that you just end up feeding them.
A few times I have had positive signs from women to approach them and didn't have the courage to do it. Regreted it and felt horrible for a few days after. It just doesn't come as easy to some of us. Each time I promised myself that I would never allow myself for the same thing to ever happen again, and yet I still do it.
its because females suck at this and give innuendos and vague signals that you have to be very attuned to catching, and she always has the ace up her sleeve that she says she didn't do nothing and you were misunderstanding her making you look like a total goof
@@13abcde You have articulated exactly what the problem is: the nervousness and hesitation (and also being excessively nice) is what's creepy. Why? It is similar to the energy of a child molester. That realisation should be enough to make you act more boldly. 😉
I really like how you intersperse your recommendations with revelations about yourself (like "I'm an introvert"). Your being an attractive woman yourself, learning more about you adds motivation to watch your videos. It also conveys credibility to your advice.
Be stereotypically attractive, be at least six ft tall plus, be ripped, and be visibly wealthy and you will never be considered creepy. If you’re an average guy it’s an uphill battle.
If you are all of those things, she may not consider you creepy but in almost all cases she will still not be interested and will be made uncomfortable and annoyed in having to tell you the usual message: "just go away".
@@KpxUrz5745 Dude are you okay? No girl has ever rejected me and said “just go away”. It’s always “sorry I have a boyfriend” or something polite. I actually don’t think I even believe this has happened to you TBH. Women wouldn’t just insult men that in such a direct way unless it’s a one in a million psycho chick
@@nbaworld4426 I didn't mean those were the literal words she would say, but that is the message she is giving you, however she says it. In other words, since they always "already have a boyfriend", then it raises the question: why is she there in the first place? To have a drink without her boyfriend always? Sometimes they are polite about it, and often they are really annoyed by being approached. After enough rejections I quit making an approach many years ago. And it's not because I lacked height or looks or anything else. But it is because there is no payoff, it just doesn't work, I mean a cold approach in public or at a bar. There are other ways to meet women but none of them are very easy.
@@KpxUrz5745 Just cuz it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for everyone. There's probably something you're doing wrong in your approaches.
@@baalzamon3593 This 👏👌 Guys who have "game" but are poor and ugly do not even get enough attention from girls in order to be able to open their mouth and spit their game. They are virtually invisible to women. Also keep in mind that handsome and rich guys are usually not impressive conversationalists yet they score every time.
I was married for 24 years and have started going out again. I have had zero interest in going out with anyone etc and have had girls hitting on me. I enjoy my time alone, it’s awesome.
'I watch a lot of crime shows, I watch a lot of murder documentary's. All of these things that make me freak out a little bit. Which I probably should stop doing' this part was so hilarious, I laughed out loud! Thank you for that Courtney 😄also, really helpful video!
Yeah, I caught that too. I realize murders happen every day. But the chances of it happening to you are slim to none. What women don't realize is that by filling their heads with that murder stuff, they're setting themselves up to think that way in everyday interactions. Dating is the perfect case in point. Guy comes up and says hi. Totally innocent. But what the girl sees is likely the perpetrator from the latest episode of Snapped on television. And women have the nerve to say men are the problem.. lol. No wonder more and more of them are making videos of their boxed wine and cat collection.
@@seanbangerter4145 There's still a large greyscale between a murder and nothing. You can get harassed or molested or r*ped or assaulted or robbed or drugged or someone can just be very creepy. I'm a tall grown ass man and I've been attacked (when I was 15 btw) and followed by creeps without ever getting murdered, and I can defend myself better than 99% of girls but still didn't like that shit.
Trust me that's the worst creepiest thing that can happen ! A girl aprouch you in public that made me feel less masculin i should be the predator and i just keep walking
@@oussmed4000 manz stuck in 1920's, why tf would you feel less masculine if a girl approached u!!? How's that even make sense!? You maybe just insecure bro, there's nothing wrong with it
Thank you, I’m very social with most people but my brain just shuts off when speaking to someone I’m attracted to. These tips are exactly what I needed.
@@arctic92 yeah. They are very intuitive, especially in the beginning. Almost looking for reasons to not pursue people (don’t blame them for this, dangerous world). They lose a lot of intuition once they fall in love and are just blinded by the love even if a man cheats or isn’t great to her, but yes, beginning for sure. I don’t mind chasing the physicality but you’re right, she’s gotta like you more almost always. Pre sex though, men always “like or want” more but abundance is key for sure. They can sense that shit. Never tried it but wanted to go out certain places with a wedding ring and see what kind of reception I got. I always felt like women would be like hits in baseball, they come in bunches. It’s like a pheromone thing. But confidence is huge. Again, so right…Women have a great knack for feeling the confidence of a person and mirroring those emotions. In my 20 years of dating, I’ve had a lot of personal ups and downs and that shit is so palpable to them. They could smell security a mile away.
I would love to see her transforming herself into a man and try to approach a girl without being creepy. Really these days creepy is whenever the girl has no attraction for you.
No, creepy is when you can't read her body language that shows that she's not interested yet you continue to pursue her and after you get done harassing her you ask yourself why did that feel like such a one sided conversation?
@@alencifps1535 Lol woman these days use plausible deniability. If a girl wears make up and it helps her attract a high value guy people will applaud her for succeeding, but if she gets complimented by a guy she doesnt like then she says Ew creep, i wear make up for myself. Creepy or creep is just a word for a guy that she doesnt want, not a guy that is actually creepy. If it was actually creepy then why arent awkward girls that cant read body language called creep? It is almost exclusively a male oriented term because woman use it to describe a man that does not meet her criteria and wants to leave her alone.
@@zukodude487987 it's because women, being on average smaller and possessing less upper body strength, have the fear of being attacked by strange men. It is an understandable fear, I think.
@@TheBeatle49 Lol they do that even in a setting where they feel safe. You never hear guys call woman creeps even if they feared her attacking him. You can bet that a girl will still call a guy creepy even if she is tall and athletic and the guy was short and weak.
The comment section is legitimately saddening. Guys, I've been rejected quite a few times and I know everything about the manosphere and hypergamy and yade yada. However I always felt like something was off about how dark it was there. It's difficult to get rejected 1000 times and not say "this is pointless", but I think bravery is knowing the world is a dark place and still having hope in your heart. It may be harder, but that's why it's satisfying eventually. Just keep working on what you can do, even if others have it much easier than you
I agree. There's so much negativity in the manosphere. All we can do is work on ourselves to become the best version of ourselves and put our best foot forward.
@@pranavnnair5 my sentiments exactly. The way I see it is if I can't date, surely I haven't worked enough yet. But the manosphere influence got way too dark, I'm glad I got out in time
Amen to that brother , I’m on the same boat focus more on yourself and life will eventually gravitate towards you, patience is tough but worth it , God bless.
@@BloodyHeck most men today don't know what true self is because most of them are messed up by media propagating feminist agenda. Your true self is the real man that nature created. So the real man in you is a serious man, thought, egoistic, masculine, brave... It is not a nice guy, funny guy with humor or polite guy without an ego... This is what feminist agenda installed in you and it is hard to get rid of it even once you know that they brainwashed you. Watch Andrew Tate to understand this better.
I met my gf at the mall. She thought I was cute so she was helping me try on various clothes and it worked because it she was simply helping a customer. I didn't know if she actually liked me or was just being friendly cause of her job but I just went for it and got her number and things worked out.
@@whatislife6988 there you go. You are a white guy and you are about average height for a white male. Bottom line: you are not short, and being white is an advantage. If you had been short and Asian or Middle Eastern for example, she would never have been attracted to you and you would never have been able to get her number.
Hey Courtney, You are not just beautiful; you also give beautiful advice. I'm 51, single, and I'm beginning to approach women. I want to do it genuinely, which will work for me and the one I'm speaking to. Thank you so much.
I thought it was just a matter of being tall and attractive. If you're ugly, women will think you're creepy. If you're hot, you can get away with almost anything, really.
@@alencifps1535 Bold of you to assume that most women are some magical beings that can do no wrong. Most women do this, it is the odd few these days that are still great woman otherwise this video would not exist.
"omg i went to a bar and noone approached me" this is 2021, women can start experiencing what it's like to initiate a conversation..."Equal Rights" right?!
I think it's a bad idea for us as men to promote this 'women should be approaching us instead'. Just like women can be picky we can also be very picky. I would much rather shoot my shot with those that I am interested in than have those who might not be exactly what I'm looking for shoot their shot with me.
@@DivineFrag well said. It also would be nice at times to see them ask the same questions we are expected to ask. It works both ways and is also refreshing.
I’m the one who pursued a man first. That man decided to make me his wife. Enough games. If you like someone, have the confidence in yourself to approach them regardless of your sex!
I’m on this channel because I really like Courtney’s insight. I’ve never really had a problem with approaching women. I respect and love them greatly. And they know that. Just have to realize what I realized years ago, women are a lot like men, in certain ways. Don’t think too much about it.
Here is the problem after dealing with paying for meals and trips it comes down to being rejected. Most guys are used to being rejected. Its not the end of the world. What really happens is you just get tired of all the BS. Women want strong confident men. They want to be complemented. They want to be wooed. In the end you find out living with yourself is not so bad. You have friends and maybe you will find someone you like and get along with. Maybe not. Life moves on and you do you and that is what makes you the happiest.
rejection=confidence. better to rack up the rejection later, i got 5 in counting but really doing it to boost my ego when approached or talking to a girl
I just want to say, I fully appreciate you Courtney. You've been my dating coach for the last several months. lmao I used to always attract and deal with toxic women, and put myself into toxic situations. Your videos have truly changed my outlook, my approach, and even more so the type of women I deal with for the better. Thank you.
I believe there’s a lot of great men out there that want to be a gentleman and thoughtful and caring at the same time we have not been taught by our fathers and so it easily misunderstood. I believe that if you’re trying your very best and you treat her like your best friend she definitely would understand you. And even if she’s just a friend, that’s more important that means she values who you are! definitely be patient and pray for her! I definitely wanted to be treated for gentle care and within intentionality!
I stopped bothering with this random approach thing though it was an excellent tool for becoming a better version of myself by pushing my comfort zones. I still talk to women randomly often & it's a great thing to be able to do so without expectations. My opinion it's best to meet women through your social circles. I'm more marriage minded type & not frivolous.
Very often, that's the case. Unless he truly says or acts inappropriately, of course. But, yeah, some women think that anyone who hits on them at the gym, for instance, is "creepy," because she's "there to work out and not to meet guys!" even if the guy approaches her in a confident, classy manner
@@Lonstermash maybe, maybe not. The fact is you just don’t know so I say this. Just go talk to the girl. Be respectful but after that, no harm, no foul. If a women can’t stand a guy approaching her, she needs to grow up a bit.
Really, these videos need to start with a disclaimer on the importance of being attractive, or rather the importance of not being unattractive. And a link to a video dealing specifically with what is attractive/unattractive. If you are attractive, you may get away with just not being actually creepy. If you're unattractive, the threshold for being "creepy" is lowered, sometimes to the point of a "Hi" being perceived as creepy. Kind of important to be honest about that I think. And for those who are overweight and so on, it's good to get tips and ideas on what to do, other than "work out", "go on a diet" and so on
I believe playing within your boundaries is the unspoken rule.. or the ballpark as its so commonly referred to.. If your appearance is average and your trying to play at the "10" level, your gonna get rejection.. maybe alot.. (I do this alot).. Most don't have the stomach for it though). I still prefer to lay back and see what/who approaches me.
There are so many stages of dating that could go wrong. Approaching a girl and getting rejected, texting them and being ghosted, receiving one word texts, getting flaked on dates, etc. I decided a while back that I’m not going to pursue anyone because it’s not worth the heartache.
Mind-reading is not one of my skills. If I make an innocent or positive comment, and a woman "takes it the wrong way", that's a deal breaker. I don't want a relationship of misinterpretations and walking on eggshells. Having peace in my life is more important than having an edgey woman.
Well, the preaching just makes guys even more insecure. Some even start to hate themselves, or become feminists. Or both. Because nobody understands what is truly going on in the West. Personally, I have found that celibacy is the easiest route. The only headache I run into is online if I decide to look it up. I think men in general need to stop thinking with their dick and build som self respect and integrity. And ironically that will make them more attractive, a pussy who just does what he is told gets boring after 5 minutes anyway. The problem now is that if you don´t then you are a patriarchal tyrant and a sexist pig. So we are in for a hell of a ride, I don´t think it´s gonna be pretty.
How to greet a woman without being considered a creep #1- be attractive #2- be attractive #3- be attractive #4- be attractive And the last and most important #5- be attractive
@poopieboi239 Let me correct you. There are three requirements for any "modern-day woman"(if you can even call them women or human anymore) for you to not be considered a creep; 1.) You must have a high 6-figure salary 2.) You must be 6 feet tall. 3) You must have a 6 pack of abs. Do the numbers sound familiar?
@@michaelwilliams6892 that's for tools. Be a useful tool. A tool isn't like desert. She wants both, and both server her purposes. One is pragmatic, the other is for thrills.
You are all being completely cynical and not helpful at all. Pre-judging people before you start, based off of tik-tok videos, random snarky comments on social media, or even past experiences seems like it would just set you up for the failure you’re expecting. The reason Courtney goes out of her way to do these videos is to help regular guys (not the 6-figure, 6-foot, 6-pack kind of guys one of you mentioned) actually find and keep a good (read: non-toxic) woman. Believe me, I understand the frustration. But being cynical at the start just handicaps you from the first. Heal if you need to. Then, cheer up. And don’t quit or give up trying.
Can we talk about the notion of “nobody approached me when I went out to a bar”. Why do you need to be approached? Why aren’t you approaching people in the bar yourself?
@@tomh1593 men are less sensitive to rejection BECAUSE they were being rejected a lot throughout our evolution. Women weren't, because every single woman, even an ugly one, was and is an irreplaceable reproductive unit from a biological standpoint. Whereas most men can be replaced by a small number of alpha males
@@tomh1593 men are less sensitive to rejection BECAUSE they were being rejected a lot throughout our evolution (most men didn't even reproduce). Women weren't, because every single woman, even an ugly one, was and is an irreplaceable reproductive unit from a biological standpoint. Whereas most men can be replaced by a small number of alpha males (so only a small number of men is needed for the population to reproduce)
here's the thing: if she likes you she'll do everything to let you know she does, then proceed. If she doesn't you're just boosting her stats of rejections she makes, so basically proceed with caution and even if she shows signs that she likes you she may be doing it just to reject you too. It's a cruel world out there but keep fighting, guys.
Women are mostly predisposed. If she's attracted to you the moment you enter the room, you can't do no wrong. If you're not "her type" (whatever that means), you can't do no right. Simple stuff guys. Lesson: Never change things about you to please people, especially Women.
I've seen numerous videos on this topic. At least 30. Not all at once but, you know, over the course of a few years. Every single one either marketed something, had terrible advice, or a mix of both. This is so much better than anything else I've seen about this subject. Really great stuff. Never seen you before but you get a subscribe.
I’m a guy that can be very extroverted but also be somewhat introverted, esp when dealing with women. I’ve spent most of my life single, my last date was years ago. The pandemic hasn’t helped things out at all. I just bought a house, and finally doing okay in my career but I’m 43. I have to get myself back in shape and try to start meeting people. You and everyone else says confidence is so important, but I have very little - and always feel like I have nothing to offer. If a woman likes a friend of mine I can spot it a mile away, and be like dude she likes you; however, could never do the same for myself. I’ve missed out on relationships with a bunch of ladies when I was younger because I had no clue they liked me until it was too late.
I don't go looking for it, nor do I care. I workout, live my life and do what I want to do. It's nice to know that I don't need to worry or care on these things.
I don’t have any objection to any of this (per se), but… … it seems to me that we live in an age of unprecedented female entitlement. Women have external validation from men 24/7 on social media. So from day one, the man is chasing the woman and the woman is in a position of power. As soon as the man starts to relax, thinking the relationship is secure, the relationship is on borrowed time. She’s going to continue getting validation from other men, and at some point someone is going to come along who seems to be more exciting than her current partner. Female infidelity has been rising for a generation (and is currently on a par with male infidelity). The internet generation. The problem is: from the rate of increase it is likely to continue to rise for the foreseeable future. Again, I’m not objecting to making good approaches, or making a good first impression, but we need a paradigm shift in dating and relationships. We need women to value the character and substance of men, not just the way they make them feel in the moment.
I’ve been considered 7-8 by many women I’ve met over the years. “Hey or hey, how you doin?” Confidently has worked for me often. However… the better looking they are the lower my success. Thank you for this video. definitely taking these points into action.
First time I have EVER commented on one of these videos. First, though not the only angle on things (obviously), Courtney's content is pretty damn good, so kudos to you Courtney. Second, I have met many ladies that check many of the boxes of what I'm looking for, however, it wasn't until I started to look at the boxes I might check FOR HER and work on those things (that were in the realm of possibility) that quality of female human beings around me start to go up. Third, I've heard it said someone before, and I paraphrase terribly: When you find someone you are interested in, don't focus so much on what she brings to the table, but focus on those things about her that you are willing to put up with and hope she is willing to give you the same consideration.
@@ronnie5329 If the guy that is below a 5 and all he goes after are 9s and 10s, then yeah it is a waste of time. Its like a little leaguer going out to play in the pros. He is going to get crushed. Honestly where the hell did so many of you guys get your ideas from?
@@jamesdotson1080 life experience. Rolling close to 40. The average woman is not going to get with a sub 5 looking man, in her fertile years. You can maybe go to the gym, and improve a little, also with conversation skills etc. But its an uphill battle to get an average woman for these guys. You gotta accept failure for years, or you gotta date fat Bertha. But then again if you are from america, more and more are fat so i dont know what is normal there.
The only cold approach I've done, I was on my daily walk when I saw a cute girl with the tiniest dog I had ever seen. I stopped her and asked about the dog. After chatting for a bit I asked her if she wanted to hang out sometime and to my surprise she said yes. I got a date out of it and it was very fun. Like Courtney said, it has to make sense.
Mechanism of Arousal Men: direct 1) physical appearance 2) sexual arousal Women: indirect 1) physical appearance 2) speculation of potential good associated behaviors 3) observation of good behaviors in action 4) sexual arousal
For pretty much the first time in my life, I stepped out of my comfort zone to talk to a random girl. It happened at the gym some months ago. She happened to have a PlayStation T-shirt on which really caught my attention (she told me she’s actually not a gamer). Her eyes lit up when I spoke to her & we couldn’t stop smiling. The eye contact was very strong & her smile was absolutely perfect. I sensed a major spark of attraction & it felt like I had known her for a while. So there was mutual attraction & I had that working in my favor. I got her number on the spot. We did a little bit of grocery shopping after we got done at the gym & she was down for me to walk her home just a block away. Gave her a hug & she told me to text her when I got home. Sweet! Everything started off perfectly that night but I was cautiously optimistic. The next day, we texted for a bit (I learned her mom passed away in the Summer) & at one point, she enthusiastically scheduled plans for us the next day. So we ended up hanging out for about 3 hours. She was so sweet & wonderful, i.e. didn’t want me to be cold, held a door open for me, paid for my drink. Now at one point, after I had told her a bit about myself & after she commented on how nice the night sky looked, I put my arm around her & she asked if we could be friends. To say I was confused & bummed out is an understatement. I thought she liked me!! This soured my mood & I barely remember most of what she told me, most of which was about her issues. She really opened up to me. After I walked her home, again she told me to text her when I got back to my place. The following day I received this: “Hey Luis I think you are a really cool person. But I’m really scared I’m gonna fall for you and I just can’t handle a close relationship right now. Please know it’s not about anything about you or something like that. You didn’t do or say anything wrong. You are pretty perfect. I just am really fragile and I need to take care of myself and I am afraid to get close to anyone. I’m going to distance myself. Please try to understand where I am coming from and don’t take it personally 💕” In another text, she said: “Hey Luis I felt like you were perfect on the day we went out. You didn’t do or say anything wrong or anything I didn’t like. You were great. I’m distancing myself not cause of you, but because I am not in a good place right now in my life. And I know that this is not the right season for me to be dating anyone. I can’t gamble with how I am doing emotionally, if I date someone and it falls apart that could be really dangerous for me mentally and emotionally since I am already struggling and going through a lot. That’s where I am coming from. It’s not about how I felt about you. I hope you believe me because it’s true.” Now about a month later, I asked her if she’d be willing to meet up or at the very least talk over the phone to discuss a few things & that I’d respect her decision either way. To that, she said this: “Hey Luis I am only replying late cause I’ve been thinking about what you said. I’m messed up and I wanna keep my distance. There’s nothing wrong with you and this is not about you I promise 💗 I didn’t want to just say nothing at all and make you feel weird for no reason.” This was her final text to me. Over a month later, we happened to be crossing the same street at the same time. I said hi to her & she ignored me. It felt very cold & weird. I had to know why, so I texted her to find out but I never got a response. I’ve seen her several times since but I’ve left her alone. Some people think she has a fear of intimacy/avoidant attachment style. I’ve also only seen her at the gym just a few times since all this happened some months ago. It’s as if she’s trying her best to avoid me. On one hand, I feel she may have been telling me the truth. On the other, I feel she came up with those very elaborate lies to avoid hurting my feelings but at the same time, everything she said seemed too genuine to be a lie. Whatever the case may be, this has been the most confusing experience I’ve ever had with another person & unfortunately I have not been able to get over her. I’ve been really depressed about it. The girl left such a lasting impression on my soul to say the least & I wish I wasn’t so attracted to her (she’s 5’9”, has a very feminine walk, perfect smile & stands out). This entire ordeal has really deflated me & makes me not even want to go out of my comfort zone again to talk to any other girls. Everything started off really well. It was so organic & unexpected but of course it was all just too good to be true. We would’ve made a ridiculously attractive couple. 😔
Quite a story. It seems like she needed some validation and you gave it to her. I had a couple of first dates that went really great. One ended up with us making out at the table at the restaurant! They both never replied to my messages ever again. They needed validation that they are desirable women and I gave it to them. I didn't know that was really what they wanted, nothing further. To a lesser extent I felt like you felt. However , after these two events I never expect anything even after a great first date or two or three. By the way, these events happened some years ago and I ended up looking up both of them on Facebook, not connecting, but to see what they look like. Both single, both looking very old, worn out. You say you're attractive then you should have no problem getting women. If I were you I would keep a couple of irons in the fire at all time, that way if one flakes like this one did, it won't bother you so much. Thanks for relating your story. Regards, NS
Agreed that something isn’t right. She may very well have abandonment issues, amongst other things. I’ve seen her several times (including last night) since I made this post & she continues to pretend she doesn’t know me.
I would never be able to just go up to a woman and start talking. I'm absolutely terrified of being misunderstood as a creep, pervert, or a threat. After 30+ years alone I'm past the halfway point to the long dirt nap. Some times people are just to damaged and can't even be muddled together into a mosaic of a person. no matter how many therapist, how many years or how much money they have. Sometimes they're just to far gone 😢
I've had success one time approaching a girl. I simply walked up calm, with a smile, spoke friendly and complimented her jewelry style which lead to a great conversation.
Presenter glosses over the most important point - that being she has to extend you an invitation first. Women initiate and invite contact via clusters of non-verbal cues if they are open to and interested in making your acquaintance at any given moment. Approaching a woman when you haven't received an invite is a fool's errand unless humiliation is one of your turn-ons. For example if she doesn't touch her hair immediately upon becoming aware of your presence and her feet and/or navel aren't pointing at you -the shop is definitely closed as far as you're concerned. Cold calling may work out every blue moon or so - but it's grueling way to go about the thing.
Yeah , or I could just ignore them out right and just focus on myself and my own sanity. Been doing this 8 years and it's magical. Focus on yourself gents, embrace watching wall hitters panic for recreation.
That's horseshit. Girls are looking at their phones or the mirror most of the time. They don't seek out guys, they wait to be approached so they can't complain when a guy does so
No matter short or tall or which skin color and nationality, always be the best that you can be. Work out and build some muscle, dress well and talk with confidence by looking at the eyes. This will help you a lot when it comes to approaching random girls.
Honest question, why is eye contact so important to people? Maybe I'm just shy but eye contact is awkward, don't get me wrong, eye contact between a man and woman I feel more comfortable with with a girl, looking another man in the eye is weird, I view eye contact as intimate and not for another guy, I can listen all the same and pay attention just as well. My eye contact is for woman, not men, but still why do people think it's important? I only ask because a lot of people say it is and a lot of people also say they are off put by it like myself
@@Notyourhandle777 eye contact means you are honest. You have nothing to hide from the person you are looking at. Also it means you are really interested in the person in front of you.
If girls were so confident themselves, why don't they approach for once instead of always waiting for guys to make the first move? It's annoying when someone (like Courtney) says "I'm here to offer a woman's perspective" like they have all the answers and assumes others will agree despite being an individual and therefore can't represent all women since everyone is different. How do you know what others think, especially in other cultures? And why does it seem like you explain so many things guys should have/do to impress girls and never the other way around? Ironic that if people really were confident, they wouldn't need advice to fit YOUR image of what's considered ideal.
Bro, you spoke my mind, it's always "how to approach girls", "how to attract girls", "what things that men do that girls love" but never the other way around, just look it up in RU-vid, there's no such videos, it's always men who have to do all the work
Their confidence is not real confidence. They truly believe saying the words “I’m confident” is a substitute for the effort and self-improvement that goes into becoming actually confident.
This is some real solid advice! I don't really approach girls (or guys, or anyone) like this, I'm just not into relationships like other people are - this information is just as applicable, even if you are looking to make a good working relationship with someone, or trying to get close to them in ways that are not romantic, eg as friends or as a mentor type relationship. You should be chill with how things go, and work with it - if it's going to work, you will eventually be able to pick up on that, and you can practice that with other videos and such resources to help you learn the tips, then practice that out, slowly, one video a day, focusing on things one at a time, and your relationships will all fall into place, and you'll have oppurtunities you can't even imagine. Life, is indeed, much easier than I thought it was, now that I'm learning there's a strategy guide, and a lot of them, and, with consistent, daily effort, they really do end up working if you put the effort, blood, sweat, and tears into them. Best to you all, I know you can do this, you are wonderful.
Being honest with yourself and knowing your true intentions when approaching women really helps. It doesn't require any techniques or strategies, it's just natural.
Ever since school started a few days ago, I forced myself to get out of my comfort zone and started approaching girls, no matter if they were attractive or not. I had to practice my skills, otherwise I would struggle getting a girl in the future. The first time was awkward, the second time was a lot better. I know by the 10th time I'll be a natural at it. JUST DO IT GUYS. The anxiety before approaching her might put you off but at the end of the day it's just a human, its not that deep. Regret is worse than rejection.
It’s hard man I keep seeing bad fkn females and I get mad awk and look away and then I always get mad when I fumble them. I need a friend to help me Fr or anything man please help me 😭😭😭😭
don't walk around with creepy desperate energy, experience something called 'choosing signals' it's easily 20% if you ask me, i know what you mean though they make us do all the pursuing at the start every time it's infuriating. That's why i don't feel bad about pulling back after a couple months.
I'm going to assume any woman who finds a guy creepy for simply approaching her is vain and in love with herself. She should spend a little less time being creeped out and a little more time being flattered and appreciate that a guy would even want to say hello to her.
I kinda agree but as a woman (who doesn't look good and so doesn't get approached a lot) the two times I have been approached were when I was on the move (train and bus station) and I think that's just a bad place to be approached at. My mind wasn't in socialisation mode. And so I was annoyed/creeped out from the get-go. Additional creepiness also came from the one guy being drunk or on drugs (I can't tell the difference) and the other making up an obvious lie to make conversation but that's after the initial approach being at the wrong time in the wrong place.
