That would be pretty cool, Killing mutants in the underhive and just being a jerk to people on the lower to mid levels as part of the arbites.It would be an awesome looking setting. That sort of game would make a good RPG as well if you could pick how you want to play. Become a crime kingpin or a heretic or something. Was thinking management would be fun though. Squashing mutant rebelions, making sure you have enough food, plages killing people in the lower levels, having trade routs cut off by enemy space ships, Hive quakes, erning enough favour with the Imperium government to reques support for different things, expanding your hive, acquiring Standard Template Construct, choosing what to manurfacture, pollution levels, building relationships with other planets, making shady deals with ailens like the tau or eldar behind the Imperiums back, exterminating chaos followers, deciding to be a good leader for you people or a tyrannical overlord, Invasions, character assassinations..... The list keeps going of things that could be in there. The more I think about it, the more I want it lol
So basically, a single Hive is the entire population of Earth, crammed into an area the size of two Mt. Everests stacked on top of each other, filled with mutants and so shitty to live in, it makes Eritrea look like a paradise.
+MachineMan1992 some have even more population 2-3trillion people and can be the size of a smallish country, he gave the upper limit of the numbers of population of hive worlds and hive cities as what the lower average is.
Scientists asked 3 sci-fi fans if they would live in the sci-fi universe they love. The Star Trek fan said: Hell yeah i would. The Star Wars fan said: Yeah il do it. The Warhammer 40k fan said: Nah im good.
NetMoverSitan I mean robocop has tanked tons of rifle fire and even Lazer shots so he probably has a better shot of survival in the underhives then most fictional crime fighters.
@@notaheretic6675 Well actually people with genetic disorders tend to end up in the favela's and some of the Evangelical groups that proselytise there are pretty fundamentalist. I reckon give them another 1000 years and we'll be talking about the Rio De Janeiro Underhive.
In the imperial justice system, the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important, groups: the adeptus arbites, who investigate crime; and the ordo hereticus, who persecute the offenders. These are their stories.
Considering the Batman-concept. There has been similar cases, where Batman actually managed that .Of course, in terms of fighting, he would be ash in a few seconds. So, with him spawning in the underhive he would be dead. Just as he would be if spawning random in gotham. But Bruce Wayne would get shit done. Think, a noble. Rich even by their standards. Utterly philantropic, while looking so idealistic, that no one thinks of him as a threat. Now, give this noble the gear and training of the most aggressive inquisitors out there, with a tactical and political understanding that would make St. Drusus envious even from the grave. Now, to explain this, it will of course take a quite lengthy expression (which is of course just a best case scenario). Batman never stopped crime in gotham. He stops the supervillains, yes, but the actual decrease in crime was done by Bruce Wayne, with the help of Batman. Batman allowed him to gain the knowledge and proof Bruce Wayne needed to fight the corruption. And of course, he scared the "better" leaders to become more corrupt So all that he really had to do, at least in a hive in 40k, is, to expose the corruption of the nobles. Easy for Batman. And since the only reason, the nobles are not burned at stake for beeing corrupt is simply, that it is unbelievable that a highborn could be a bad person; once it would be shown, the Adeptus Arbites or the Ministronum would take a huge interest in seeing those heretics die in the most cruel way possible. With that out of the way, living standards start increasing. Corruption is decreased and, having bought most of the lost property of the heretics, the main industry is now lead by a genius. And the nobles not killed are of course scared. Not by the bat beating them up, but making them lose their riches. Now, beeing a smart guy, Wayne wouldnt let the rest of the Imperium know that, it would instantly increase taxes. And beeing the Batman it isnt realyl his job to scare the various mutations and monsters, thats more or less impossible. But, with the increasing living standards, Wayne provides the carrot, while Batman provides the stick for the various low lifes, making legal work more attractive then crime. And the underhive would simply slowly but surely die out. After all, waste can be reduced and with a working economy, the proper Adeptus Arbites can get rolling. Let by a crazed millionaire, who, with all the shit going down in the hive, probably has an army of Robins made out of the various orphans, they could slowly take ground. And something that (granted, most often by the writers) is overlooked: Batmans no-kill rule is no moral codex, its a trauma. Technicly, crippling someone beyond beeing able to life is totally possible. And imposing extremly harsh, almost dictatorial conditions simply to hold a higher living standard is also totally possible.
Here is the problem. You still see land, and can GET to the ground/land under a Hive City. Hive Cities are SMALL compared to planets like Coruscant and Nar Shadaa. It's been OVER 50k years since anyone has even seen hints of the ground on Coruscant. Nar Shadaa is similarly over built. Hive Cities are like the first cell of a true City Planet on the scale of Coruscant. Nar Shadaa even has gangs that produce things that are honestly far worse than Servitors. Servitors are mind wiped and no longer aware. The slaver gangs are known for kidnapping people for the sole purpose of turning them into living droids. You are awake, aware, fully concious and perfectly able to think. You feel everything just fine. However, a droid brain is in total control of your movement and uses your mouth to speak for itself giving you no way to communicate with the outside world. So you feel whatever the droid does to your body. Living a complete personal hell, never able to communicate with anyone (not even the droid brain), forced to witness whatever the droid uses your body for with no means to even attempt to take control back.
Surprised at the lack of star wars jokes in the comments. And allow me to rectify this absolutely abhorrent disaster. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."
yottabyte An X-COM-like tactics RPG based on Necromunda would be nice. There already was a game kind of like that: Warhammer 40.000 Chaos Gate. But it was Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers, and that's about as vanilla as 40k can get.
Yea, I'd join the guard too, live 40 years in a hive never seeing the sun, slowly dying of the stench and terri8le living conditions, or die in my 20s 8eing slain 8y a warp spawn of Khorne, 8ut hey, I got to wear a cool uniform, and saw the sun, and space, and other interesting things along the way.
***** Oh I know, if at all possi8le I'd always end up in the Tau Empire, its just 8etter, 8ut its always a matter of how. Moving around as an imperial citizen is hard.
just remember the best way to prevent Tyranid foot holds in a hive city is to report all instances of lost or stolen pants to your local Ordo Xenos branch immediately
+Cody Archer right next your gonna tell me chaos lives down there.....wait, next your gonna tell me Tyranids live dow....wait, next your gonna tell me hives were built on tomb worlds and that necrons that awaken build up their armies in the confusion of the underhive, because now you're just being ridiculous............wait humanity really is fucked aren't they.
There is an exception to being able to defend an Imperial Hive from a numerically inferior foe. In Deadmen Walking, a Necon tomb awake in the middle of an Imperial Hive and quickly overwhelmed its defenders. Apparently, the Necron solution to taking the Hive was quite simple... demolish it. They literally gutted the entire hive creating a massive crater of collapsed buildings. I personally enjoyed that book since it gave us a good glimpse of the Death Korps of Krieg.
+Logan Snider The thing about attacking a Hive or anything in general is you generally still want it to exist afterwards, you just want to be in control of it now.
The thing about Judge Dread, is that the Mega Cities of the comic were an isnpiration for Hive Cities. Dredd came first, remember that. Also, Games-Workshop used to have a Judge Dread RPG at the same time 40k was beginning.
Brendan McLaughlin That would be a tiny fraction of a percent of a hive city. But a good real life analogy. Hive Cities typically house billions of people and stretch kilometers high into the sky. Kowloon WC housed about 33k residents (0.001% hive city population) and was only 13 or so, floors high.
It's crazy, I've never played any 40k games, but I love the lore!!! It truly is fascinating, and Arch does a great job at presenting it. I'll have to play the table top some day.
Noneof Yourbiz Logic! You want to end your miserable life, and because of that, the govnerment put you into an even bigger shithole, for the reason of why not?
Ah yes I love the logic of the Imperium. They throw buildings ontop of each other and then throw the fresh recruited soldiers in very big waves at the enemy :D
+HorrorKuchen a guy i know once described a typical imperium hive city as "Imagine Detroit but much bigger and then another but slightly smaller Detroit on top of that. Do that until you get a tiny amount of upper class housing and you have a hive city."
Forever a loner since i have gotten into these great contents Chaos seems like a 50/50 choice, depends on the day/ happening ? ( i was a Dark Angels follower as a kid anyway ha )
Ah, I was hoping for a Spyrer callout. Nobles getting bored and start hunting "the most dangerous game". Putting on odd power armour and descending into the underhive to hunt and kill gangers.
+Hawkeye Gough Well, it's imperial nobility that does it and they're not looking for a fair fight. just a hunt on gangers, scavvies and perhaps the odd lost Arbites patrols.
7:57 I can hear quadrillions of obese Batman fanboys screeching with rage. But you're right about Batman's hopelessness against any underhive, Nostramo especially - although "wouldn't last a week" is a funny way to say "would be tortured, raped, mutilated, murdered, and eaten (not necessarily in that order) within ten minutes of arrival."
+hedgehog3180 did you not listen to what he said, some of these cities have been around for 10 thousand years. They have already sustained themselves long term. Its generational conditioning, it is all they know and all they will ever know.
+Jason Jiang Well actually, there was a warboss known only as "The Beast" (I REALLY hope Arch makes a video on him) who actually used Ork diplomats, as in actual diplomats, to unify the Ork tribes and even mock the High Lords of Terra. There's a reason he was so destructive.
If I was a human in the Warhammer 40k universe I think I would try one of two things join the Imperial Guard and go die a horrific death at the hands of Aliens or Heretics or try to defect to the Tau Empire either way at least I am not in a god damn hive city
I just love this video, it's so well put forth and so entertaining that every week or so I just like to let it run while painting. And it amused me thinking about it that Dark Eldar could live with Imperials, on Hive Worlds or even most ships or other fairly industrial places with no need to ever hurt anyone, compleatly overwhelmed with so much abject misery, hopelessness, sorrow, fear, pain, and death which never, ever ends.
+alotosius Why would you want to join the alien when you can stay in the hive and embrace the emperor? Food, water, sanitation and proper health are only for the weak. Those who follow the emperor don't need those things because they have him.
+Leivve *Meanwhile in the warp* Emperor: *Facepalms* If I ever manage to get out of here, the Ministorum and I are going to have a long chat. Preferably with bolt rounds.
+alotosius yes ... the tau way of life ... where you are chemicaly sterilized, literaly mind-scrubed (at least in the imperium they only mind rape you if they find out you have bad thoughts, tau just scrub you out of principle), your reproduction is strictly done via lab methods and aproved by your glorious alien overlords and of you are good little loyal drone, then maybe just maybe your children might be considered second class citizens of the empire, as oposed to "guest workforce" status that you will live with for your entire life. I love how people like to pretend the tau are good guys and all noble and shit ... when in reality they are just as bad as the imperium if not worse (at least the imperium won't sterilize you just for beeing a different species).
Ever since i've played necromunda when i was young.. i fell in love with the lore behind hive cities. Now that i'm older i found that the only way to revisit the terrible and fascinating underhive is to DM a Dark Heresy campaign for my friends and take them there on investigative duties for an inquisitor. This video helps in preparation with getting the lore and the ambiance right :) Thx a lot.
you'd think hive cities would be extremely susceptible to plagues... but as it turns out having poisonous industrial waste trickling down on you from the upper levels makes it pretty hard for pathogens to survive as well.
You should come to India and tell your opinion after seeing India..... You americans think that you are the only clivilized country in the world...... When your ancestors were roaming around naked we were writing novels at that time.... Don't teach us India is civilized or not.
@@NoBody-em2mf then stop shitting in the street, maybe also try drafting a law that concerns rape, unless that changed. also stop using call centers to scam people. china sucks too, japan licks ass and free tibet. fuck most of western europe and fuck the entire yucatan.
Ayyyy, when I heard you mention Vraks in this video years ago I never in a million years thought you’d ever actually do it. Here’s to what this channel’s become!
Difficult to think of 40k history when I think of human history in AD terms. 2000 years since the Romans and look how much history has occurred. Now imagine settled worlds colonies growing from “the Martian” style habitats to hive cities. 38k worth of future history. That’s why I love warhammer 40k Heck Star Trek was only 300 odd so years into the future lol
Now I'm wondering if there are Hive worlds strictly designed for building Hives. That amount of material would not be easy to produce, and you would want the resources of that planet to be dedicated to something OTHER than constructing a Hive, so that would mean you would want someone else to "build" the Hive, and then assemble it on site. An Ikea city, if you will. That would take care of practically the entire city, while the Underhive would form out of the undesirables simply getting hemmed into an area together. Nowhere else for them to go, so they make their own damned city.
I love the batman part it is very funny. But one thing that strikes me as impressive now is the fact that the Death Krop of Krieg who specializes in siege warfare actually go for places like this on a daily basic almost. That really strikes me how impressive the Krieg troopers are.
+Calum Deighton Wasn't it a detachment of Krieg whom were meant to be bodyguards for a political envoy to a Hive city, Who had the envoy killed, And they ended up destroying all the communication satelites and sieged the place until the whole thing was destroyed. I destinctly remember the siege continued six years after the Hive announced surender Haha.
Calum Deighton Couldn't be more true! You seen Frankyin1080P's little series on gritty guys in history? It really shows you the diffrence betwen regular humans who are afraid in war, And those who are determined. Theres a history about a man whos squad was pinned down, And everyone was afraid of geting shot so they didn't shoot back, And he alone scared the Nazi's so much they eventually tried a bayonet charge! And he described it has a duck hunt, '' You don't want to shoot the one in the front because then the rest will flee, You shoot the one in the back then move your way up.'' ... Abseloutely terryfingly enough he managed to pull his entire squad out from a full rout into a winning postion. a Man with a will is worth twenty men with no vission I'd say.
Been getting into 40k lore and I honestly don't know how people can keep up with this shit. So far what I've got from this is that it's full of pure badassery and hell on earth at the same time.
Great stuff. 40k is my favorite IP, and stuff like this is the reason. The imagination runs wild when one thinks about it. The whole time you were talking I was thinking about writing a story, or running a tabletop RPG. The problem with the former is anything I would write having to do with 40k would probably be labeled either pornography or obscene, which would preclude it from obtaining any kind of licensing. The fact is that the true 40k universe is absolutely vile, and if it were to be told in that way, most people would find it incredibly offensive and unfit for all but a small segment of the population. The Japanese would probably dig it, though. I'd love to write a story about an inquisitor hunting down a cabal of heretics dedicated to Slaanesh in the lower hives. Classic 41st millennium detective story mixed with "se7en" style perversion and horror. Add in some Lovecraft and you have a truly twisted tale.
Arch: 'The under hive is the most vile of places. Actually even worse' Me: so Glasgow Plus I really want to see a crossover comic where batman and the joker are transported to a hive. Batman and The Joker VS Necromunda
+Reece Dignan it would end in under 5 seconds given what gangs can pack in necromunda. 40k is so over the top you can't really transport anything in it without it getting killed rapidly. That beeing said, I can see the Joker becoming a gang leader easily and maybe even a chaos cult leader potentialy ascending to a powerfull servant of tzeench. Alternatively, Cegorath and him become best pals and troll the universe endlessly. Batman would die in 5 seconds though ... either gangers gun him down with bolters or the arbites kill him for beeing a deviant (what maner of sane servant of the emperor dreses like the maniacs of the night lords traitor legion).
+93Avenger93 yeah, I know that. But I just want to see Joker bring his clown goons into another gangs territory, thinking he would be able to deal with them like in the comics and batman show up to deal with it and well.... Esher: blow both of them apart with flame throwers and autoguns + their ratlin compatriots. Van Sarr: turns them to piles of goo with plasma and other advanced tech. Pretty much they would get brutalised, but I just want to see their reaction. Plus it will train the gangers I need for the guardsmen regiments. We have a planet full of xeno, mutant, sorcerer pony pony (I think that's what their called) here. (Raises bolt pistol to your head (you have 2 options. 1.Do not speak of this or the Inquatision and I, will deal with you. Or 2.You join the regiment and help deal with the xeno scum) choose wisely)
+RuSosan yeah! And they already have a Harley too, Mad Donna Ulanti (well an even more fucked up Harley). Plus the romance between her and the joker would be hilarious. Instead of Harley always trying to please/siduse joker and him being unotticing/uncaring. This one would be the joker running for his life as mad Donna tried to cave his head in. The women of Esher can be a bitch at 99% of times.
'Space Marine: Enter the Hive'. (Counting on you THQ). ...Maybe the plot could be that the major underhive gangs have all joined up without reason (heresy expected; tyranid infiltration feared -spoiler: it's a dark eldar ..pretending to be a disillusioned eldar seer?) and they've taken charge of a powerplant. They then threaten to use it as a bomb if their demands aren't met (better living conditions, the head governor, more weapons, etc, etc) ...When in reality the dark eldar plans to use it to build a warpgate (or distraction, depending on how things work out). ...Or shorten the scope a bit into; 'inquisitor gets sent to investigate heresy.. Turns out it's xenos ..and not even the expected kind'. I'm thinking open world (3-4 blocks; dozen apartments; crapton of tunnels; main finale building; torture room; etc), item shops and hidden upgrade rooms, investigative shooter. ..With enemy territories to flip (mutants, gangs, etc) over to the arbites.. And subjects to 'question' (get X to arbite station for interrogations.. -their rank and information determine how furiously the gangs chase after them). ...And a grappling hook/gun (because those are nice/rooftops are fun to snipe from). Edit: Grapple gun that can be used in combat? -like pulling enemies off opposite street rooftops/apartment windows?
Cousin Skeeter I can picture it; Mix matched groups of guardsmen, hive punks, and random citizens working together.. Bullets whizzing this way and that. Explosions. Pull back; a brother captain, alone except for a handful of arbites, overseeing the recruitment trials of a couple dozen hopefuls. The sound of bolter fire filling the mock city block as the training servitors fight for their survival ..A hopeless but useful thought.. The smallest hint of a smile forming on the brother captains face -another good selection. The trainees kill the last servitors and claim the bunker flag. Victory. Arbites start clapping; The brother captain just beginning his speech~ Red lights fill the room as the sirens begin.. The story being played out with him taking a group of recruits with him (he thinks the situation is far less than it is) and often leaving them alone together to work out their mission on their own -combat training. ..Also, he'd rather they survive/get out of his way (their second 'mission' accidentally leads them back to him ..well, a little roughed up and with fewer members). ..Though i'd definitely want it to end with most of the hive's citizens thinking "Did a space marine with a rag tag group murder a whole bunch of people for no reason? Why didn't the arbites handle it!?!" -you know, a big 'ole blackmark for both the chapter and government.. -possibly inciting future chaos cult..
tigerhunter77 Definitely. I mean, the homeworld of the Ultrasmurfs did -which is probably filled with hive cities.. There's even a story (can't find it now) of one being shelled to dust by a loyalist chapter (either it took 6 days; 6 weeks; or 6 months ..can't remember).. And i'm pretty sure that was just regular old mutiny/couping. But it is a 'grimdark' universe.
WayWard Trout wow if a hive is as hard to capture as arch says yet they still have fallen makes me wonder how hard a proper fortress or fortress world is to crack.
Imagine having a moderate hive quake exposing a large part of the underhive under a hab' block and the more interesting elements of society are having a fun round with the locals while the Arbities assemble the shotgun troops...
Love your lore videos. Didn't know very much about Warhammer canon before I started watching these besides the fact that it's imaginative and way out there. Keep them coming. I'd like to hear more about the Green Skins evolution from savage to space faring. Do the advanced Orks use their savage brethren as cannon fodder like their fantasy counterparts do?
+tvfreakman611 Yup. There's a weapon created by the Ork Mekboyz called the Shokk-Attack Gun, which literally uses Snotlings as living ammo (they get sucked up through some kind of vacuum apparatus and come out the 'gun end').This is made even worse when said Shokk-Attack gun shoots these Snotlings *into the Warp*, with the idea being said poor lil' sods will come out in front of (or more preferably, INSIDE the body of) the Ork's target stark raving mad and/or more violent than a Khorne Berserker that was forced to live as a pacifist for an entire week. That's *if* the unlucky Snotlings even make it out of the Warp after being shot into, and don't just disappear altogether.
There’s a subsect of Orks known as the Snake Bites, basically they’re Orks who got lost on a planet long enough that either they lose all knowledge of advanced technology or only retain enough for “basic” things like cybernetic Squigs and revolver type guns. Whenever more advanced Orks come across these lads they at least make an effort to reintegrate them with their own shootas and vehicles, though most Snake Bites prefer their old fashioned gear instead.
It actually gets worse than this. Imagin a hive world the size of an entire subsector, where everyone not a literal slave is either a sadistic space pirate or something far, FAR worse, and the only real law is "Don't displease the Overlord". That's Commorragh in a nutshell.
yup the dark eldar are kind of bastards how are the dark eldar you might ask well you know the eldar murder f***ing that birthed a choes god? well that that is the dark eldar
True, but all Dark Eldar seem to feel right at home in that kill-or-be-killed life. It's the slaves that are worse off but that's because they're basically pain-bags
I dont think you're giving Batman enough credit, here. He adapts. He wouldn't go to an underhive in his normal get up, he'd go in fully armored and (non-lethally) armed.
He would be eaten by Cannabals wielding Bolt Guns. Doesn't matter what armour he has it's not standing up to a fully automatic nuclear grenade launcher at point blank range.
i really wanted to catch up on all these stories since i was a kid years ago i was heavily into 40k but local store shut and just life stuff etc etc... yearssss later her i am thanks for the great works!!
You have two choices: Live in the Hive, or die in the Imperial Guard. Even if I died immediately after leaving the Hive, it would be worth it, because at least I got outside.
James Buckner I know. But he at the same time ISNT Batman. Cus from what i have read... Curze is BRUTAL. He is like Nathan Explosion mixed with a Bruce Wayne that lacked any compasion. But would be DEFINITLY something worth reading.
doubleP You could say that, but at the same time. He WAS kinda molded by the crimes in his home planet so his sense of justice was scewed. But he did still have a sense of justice in him , its how he was killed. He is a sad case of.... well,.... his growing up. Had he landed on another planet, he would be a great warrior of justice.
wow when you need a military training ground for most imperium worlds just use the underhive it just got everything a guardsman needs to see for training live fire.
I really enjoy your lore videos. I like Warhammer and 40k alot and so look for new lore videos in other channels. The thing that sets yours and Grey Hunters apart from the rest is how animated you both are when you speak. I can tell that you are very enthusiastic about the hobby and its infectious
This is great. As someone who knows nothing about 40k but has friends who won't cease speaking about it I found this very informative and entertaining to listen to. Your voice is pleasing to listen to and you're very descriptive!
You're wrong about Batman. He would easily clean up the Hive Cities. Fear is a wonderful tool. And Batman is already in WH30k. He's called Conrad Curze ;)
+Johan Dale man the scope of it is so big. im just trying to imagine how an army would try to subdue the city as they would ahve to minimize the killing of citizens.
+Sadistic Spece Marine Minimize what? Civilian losses is not term that is in Imperial guard vocabulary. Either they get out of your way or they are enemy. Sometimes it is better to shoot even on those who are trying to get away just in case it is retreating enemy and not escaping civilians. You never know. Better shoot first.
James Palmer Hmm i remember vaguely playing something like that with my cousin quite a long time ago but aside from that it doesen't ring any bells really.. But yeah would be interesting to see something like that, star wars 1313 was going to be a gritty story about the dark and miserable lower levels of the planet wide city called coruscant, but alas like some other sw games i'd have liked to seen it got canned and left to rot. Prey 2 would have perhaps been something worth seeing aswell, i'd like to see some more gritty and dark scifi / fantasy games in the future, the most recent scifi titles like the newer Halos, Destiny, Titanfall, CoD AW etc. are not really to my tastes, the artstyle is too clean the setting too simple and generic, besides i can't even remember when was the last time we got a decent scifi RPG, last one i remember must have been KoTOR.
