40k Lore The Scythes of the Emperor Of The Adeptus Astartes 3rd Founding Successors Ultramarines 

How are they a blight on the Ultramarines and Guilliman? 🤔

Essentially an Ultramarine counterpart to the Lamenters if you will. Not to dull their awesomeness by saying they are clones or something

Alas, almost every other time the Tyranids have shown up in a story, they have been soundly beaten. The Scythes story is one of the few that shows the true horror of the Tyranid.

@@Gorbz Ka'Bandha dispelled the notion that the shadow in the warp defeats Daemons. The impossibly tall skull stack of an entire Tyranid splitter fleet stood as testament to that.

@@mutegrab666 And yet the Tyranids have an entire hive fleet dedicated to destroying daemons with a super powerful shadow that does banish them. Except in the game rules, where it sucks

Except you might appear in the TV😆

Yes But instead of using your hands to move it. You use your emotions. Which is REALLY hard for the loyalists running the Pharos. (Mechanicum, Imperial Fists and an Iron Warrior) Blew the loyalists minds when the Night Lords got it running perfectly on accident.

Yeah I thought my hearing was messing up for a second. Must’ve been a brain fart on arch’s behalf

Probs meant Allies. Funny nontheless

MORE ENNEMIES!!!! MORE COME FACE OUR WRATH!!!!!!

Just Arch being Arch

@@gammaspector true, but it would be a very 40K quote though, when surrounded by enemies all you need is more enemies :D

Yeah I enjoy them a lot too

Bespoke: space marine hobos

Yep, the original Scythes are dead. As for the genestealer, it makes sense that it remained behind. On most Planets, the Nids graze off the surface and move on. But that doesn't mean tge planet is truly dead. In a few thousand years life will re-emerge. So the Genestealers are placed there to await the next cycle.

so... they basically stole the name of an honored and prestigious astartes chapter..... their previous (astartes most of all) allies should have MASSIVE problems with working with them as well as a lot of firstborn marines since what happened to the scythes is what they are afraid of will happen to them with the primaris replacing them. Also they should be having chapters demanding their gifted relics back for all the reasons above.

@@robrib2682 no, the original Scythes were quite happy to give the planet they failed into new hands. Chapters being replaced is nothing new, the fact that this one took up the colours and name of the previous one is a sign f respect and reverence for those who came before. When the primaris came, there was no chapter left, no relics no nothing. There was a single, battered squad of marines and a dead world. In the millenia before, the Imperium would have simply founded a new chapter and let it take up where the previous one left off. This way at least the scythes legacy and rememberance lives on

@@draochvar9646 that changes things I guess.... still there should be some friction of "we knew the scythes, who are you and where are they?"

​@@robrib2682 Nah, what's really lost is their initial purpose. They were tasked to guard the Pharos beacon on their home planet. Now the beacon is blown up, they are just holding a normal planet like any other planet in the realm of Ultramar. The planet still has a massive Blackstone reserve but it's not as cool as (spoiler alert) guarding literally jail that holds a C'tan shard.

Exactly

They refuse to pass on knowledge? And culture? WHY? That's even dumber

@@leonemaledetto1500 because primaris are not worthy, what is dead may never die.

@@TheMithridates Wolves of fenris deemed primaris worthy after Kaag passed his trials on fenris. Dark angels used Primaris as Bullet Sponges and mindwiped them over and over again until the Primaris figured it out and confronted them about it, causing the Primaris who Confronted them to be killed all save one. That remaining one ended up being inducted into the higher echelons of the DA command hierarchy. Don't see how primaris aren't worthy after the 5 years worth of backfilling books and lore we've gotten for them.

@@Benthesniperof8 and both of those parties doing that was weak writing to justify gw's power creep by making superer super soldiers

I read that in the Forest Gump voice for some reason.

Scythes: Turns to the Black Templar escorting the Inquisitor "Your chapter master Helbrecht is bald huh?" Black Templar: "so?" Scythes: "Horus was bald..." Tension levels at maximum.

@@aeterna789 That made me laugh way too much. Thanks, it really improved my day.

The reason no one cares when a Marvel or DC hero dies.

Well, as of "The Great Work", the original Scythes are officially extinct.

Really goes to show how prideful he was. Rebuilding the legions would admit to his brothers that he had made a mistake, so make reinforcements secretly, so when the worst happened and the legions were needed, he'd receive praise not condemnation.

@@shanehudson3995 I can't recall much details about Codex Astartes, but weren't there exemption for Chapters to create Legion strength against extraordinary threats? After all, it was meant to be a guide, not hard rules to go by.

@@Panocek The Imperial Fists set up a trigger, the Space Wolves just ignored it, but everyone else fell in line.

The idea was so it wouldnt happen again, in case someone forgot the Traitor Legions were loyal and he did more then that, the . The Imperial Army was reorganized into what is the Astra Militarum that was composed into planetary regiments and when a Army is raised its not allowed all arms of that Army from being of the same planetary regiment with some exceptions (Death Korps of Krieg) to minimize the chances it all goes traitor and even if some does, its easier to put down. As a bad idea that was in hindsight, at the time the Imperium wasnt in such a dire situation as it found itself 10 Millennia later, the Traitors were defeated and fled to the Eye of Terror and this was before the Tyranids and Necrons, the Orks were a problem but this was before the War of the Beast and you still had many Primarch around that could rescind it if needed it, Dorn even enacted a protocol to recreate the Imperial Fists Legion just in case, Dark Angels "complied" because they are all loyal and have no secrets what so ever (and are in fact still Legion, just more decentralized because they all share that terrible secret) and funny enough the Ultramarines due to Ultramar unique status are at Legion strength so its not as if they all followed that bad idea and what happened is the only ones that could rescind that order were the Primarchs that disappeared for one reason or another or the Emperor that never bothered likely due to spending most of this time keeping the Warp out of Terra, the fact when Girlyman returned he pretty much revoked it says this was more of a case were nobody had the authority to actually do it until someone come back.

Scythes of the emperor the best makers of xenos acid nades in a pinch

@@chillyavian7718 nah, it's always nubby fault.

@@Gakido117 Yeah, he chose that fucking wreck that refuses to give up and die

@@Jfk2Mr to be fair, it was Inquisitor Oaks orders to buy the ship....

Well Doc kept that damn Marine alive through thick and thin, he might not even need to be interred into a Dreadnought to return to service as long as a cybernetic rebuild can be done on his lower half.

Any idea which book it was? Was it called "the space marine omnibus?" Thanks bro!

I have trawled through all the comments to see I'd there are any other men of culture here.

dude, Palps literally pulled out a gazillion star destroyers out of his ass in the last one.

@@doubt_ movies that count my guy. not movies written by epileptic gibbons slamming their heads against a piece of paper.

@@TheCreepyLantern based and agreed, although I would argue that Cawl and most of the recent 40k lore developments feel more like the recent SW crap than the good old warhammer.

@@doubt_ and THAT is 100% correct as well

Then what's a vagabond?

A pirate scoundrel

@@davidfrancisco3502 someone who travels and does petty crime

I learned something today.

So you believe that they're Filthy Frank's boys?

@@NetMoverSitan I don't know WHO'S they are. I just think that was the original intent in their early writings. It also would have been a pretty cool story line.

Throw in the Lamenters for some wacky fun.

Yeah I'm fairly new to 40k lore so I didn't even had a favorite chapter yet but, the I learned about the Lamenters through Arch and I can say that they now are and always will be my absolute favorite chapter.. nothing can break those guys, not even a massive space hulk that drove other chapters to madness, not the inquisition and not even the Minotaurs.. tho they did surrender before the Minotaurs finished the job.. but the Lamenters emerged victorious and redeemed from their 100 year long penitent crusade.. absolute favorite..

*Yesn't*

@@Benthesniperof8 disturbing

@@markmooney9416 Not as much as you think.

They are NOT cured, its just buried. Recent Astorath the Grim novel talks about it in detail during a enslaver invasion post devastation of baal adventures and events. The tldr: its very much still there it just takes alot to release it and have it come to the surface.

They are more resistent to it, but once they get it, its even worse

He's to self conscious to show his minis.

They should have just left them out of it and made them repaint their marines, then released an updated Ultramarines supplement for $40 that just gives them an extra command point, forcing them to repaint all their marines blue again.

I hope not. It would ruin the settings if the imperium regains it strenght.

@@malaficus wouldnt it be a matter of balance though? You have chaos and the tirinids growing in strength and advancing on the empire from both sides so having a few of the chapters return to legion or near legion strength may be be a means of balancing it.

@@tobydawes6007 You think games wokeshop would balance it. Want to buy the loden bridge? Joking aside games woke doesnt know how to balance. I rather have them not make it worst then risk them "Balancing" it.

If the Lion or Dorn come back next: maybe

If there isn't a campaign book for that battle he can't make a series about it.

Except force healing was in Legends and proved to be a major plot point at times.

@@benjaminwhite3292 Except Legends was killed by Disney. Retroactive saying "but it happened before! It's somewhere in that massive open grave with everything Disney shot in the back of the head" doesn't work. Also, like everything else from Legends that Disney took a look and decided to copy after turning the original non canon, their version is shit and really bad made.

@@caiocbcn When he says force healing was a major plot point, it was only a major plot point in the characterisation and stories of Dark Lords of the Sith, not jedi. Light-side Jedi couldn't do it. Dark side Jedi couldn't do it. It was exclusively Sith nonsense beyond the purview of jumped up little force users like Yoda. That little green fuck couldn't cure a stubbed toe! It was even beyond the reach of Darth Sidious. Even after studying Sith Alchemy for literally decades the best he could do was die and then climb his Force ghost into an empty body and drive it around like monkey in a stolen golf cart.

@@CallMeMrChainmail But don't worry, Rei can do it perfectly without training! Fuck Disney.

I believe in an old Q and A video he recommended the Night Lords, Eisenhorn and Chiaphas Cain books.

Yes, a marines malevolent video please

Or as Arch calls them "The Marines of Evil" *dramatic noises*

Seconded. Although blood angels lore is suprisingly sparse, only in depth novels are dante and devastation of baal imo.

Patrons or supporter perks?

Arch ignores everything that happened post fall of Cadia.