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Funfact: During the Dark Imperium novel Gulliman 'spoke' with Crawl about the mech's idea of using the seed again. How the flaws were with their primarchs decisions not the seed. And to Papa Smurf's credit - he flipped his shit.
Alternatively, Thousand Sons gene-seed may result in an Astartes chapter with a disproportionate rate of producing librarians, a strong passion for gaining knowledge, and a memetic penchant for kleptomania. (wink)
Random Techpriest: What about the II and XI Legions? Why not use their genes- *Warp portals open and every loyalist and traitor primarch comes through to brutally murder the techpriest before returning.* Bellasarius: THAT'S why.
@@schopenhauerassplower4223 It was bad enough for the Emperor to personally get rid of all the information on them and order the the Space Wolves to violently deal with them and their legions, and all the Primarchs at the time agreed to never speak of them again. And it is telling that even after rebelling against the Imperium the traitor Primarchs still didn't violate that agreement and, despite their actions, not even the traitors got this kind of sanction (granted the Emperor might have been planning to do that after the Heresy was dealt with but oh well).
Elysian Kentarchy The Emperor also considered purging the Word Bearers just because they did something he indirectly caused(his worship). He also DIDN’T purge Angron and did everything he could to exacerbate his - shall we say? - personality flaws. He also though the White Scars might be a traitor legion at one point. The Emperor was fallible to a truly human degree. He made enormous morally questionable choices like creating and utilising the Night Lords, killing off the Thunder Warriors after they served him, and well committing genocide and imperialism on a Galaxy wide scale but failed to recognise glaring short term problems with hisPrimarchs and Space Marine legions. He could have destroyed the lost legions for any number of reasons. No matter the justification he’d have had no choice but to completely wipe them from history. The idea of the Demi god sons of the Emperor being a disposable tool wouldn’t look too good
Thousand Sons were so loyal that chaos used their loyalty for its own gains by using magnus as a pawn. And then making the Space Wolves attack them under false orders. If that had not happened, they would be the perfect anti chaos force. Which is why they had to be forced to the side of chaos. Reinstate immediately. Station on Cadia.
Fulgrim only fell to Slaneesh due to the Laer blade. Had he not picked up that sword I suspect that Ferrus Mannus would have managed to bring him back to the emperors side. More or less agree with all the rest. I do think with the word bearers that if they were told the truth from day one then they could go the other way entirely and make the Black Templars look reasonable and measured
Self-replicating whatnot oh he was a total manchild and little shit without a doubt and there was plenty of openings for him to be turned BUT it took the laer blade full on possessing him against his will to fully fall. No primarch should have been able to be possessed like that so yeah he was ready to go and he could have been turned by Lorgar eventually but I reckon without the possession that he could have had the stupid slapped out of him literally by old silverarms.
fucking ERRREEEEBUSSSSSSSSSS! xD No, Fulgrim did turn back, as did a few daemon primarchs... their bodies got turned into daemons so their legions would follow. Fulgrim has been reborn as Ynnead now ;D The pointies can keep him though, who wants that prancer anyway? He was too fabulous for this world.
I agree with your analogy on Fulgrim. Something else to consider now is Clonegrim. If he was to escape/released from Trazyn's clutches. I suspect he would come to be in an anti-chaos pro-humanity side but not necessarily pro-emperor/imperium.
Honestly, I've seen hour and half long videos with ads every 10 minutes. Every. 10. Minutes. And you, sir, provide quality content for years. I think I can live with ad or two. Ad away.
I'd rather not put pennies in the pockets of anyone who relies on such tactics. Arch is well worth putting pennies into, as he always puts out well researched and presented content :)
What truly makes me want to put up with a couple of ads in his videos is the fact how reluctant he is to put them there. I mean, he could do this years ago, and only now (after adpocalypse) he kinda wants to "test the waters" to see if it's too aggravating for his viewers. You can't help but love this guy D:
some of the material in the Deathwatch tabletop RPG implies the new canonical chapter 'the stormwardens' may infact be created from World Eater stock, evidence 1)white and blue colour scheme, different pattern but similar 2)tendancy when they start to 'loose it' to resort to going melee 3)fondness for melee weapons, (in this case silly huge claymores) 4)a published adventure where each chapter gets a 'nightmarish vision' from a xenos artefact that tends to key into their fears, the stormwardens get a very,,,,,, interesting one 5) they are explicitly stated not to be Space Wolf or Blood Angel Successors, 6) the first company some time ago locked themselves away in a stasis vault saying 'open this only when you really need us' 7) the name of their primarch and most of their history prior to about M36 has been expunged if it was ever recorded in the first place, its implied a fair bit of it was expunged by the first company before they locked themselves in a box
Luna wolves were fine pre-Horus, also you forget he had to purge the living shit out of his own legion, it implies it wasn't unstable gene-seed. Luna wolf survivors went on to help found the grey knights and become members of the inquisition, malcador and the emperor himself clearly didn't see the Gene-seed as bad. As they all (for waht we know) remained loyal.
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I dont mind the ads, as long as all this GLORIOUS LORE keeps rollin our way. Question though, because i cant seem to find answers anywhere. Did ANY of the loyalist World Eaters go on to form new chapters?
Nick Radke I don’t think so, as most of the loyalist World Eaters had been on Istvaan 3, and Angron lead the first assault that forced the traitors into a lengthy ground war. It pissed off Horus pretty bad.
The World Eaters still loyal to the Imperium gave their lives for the Imperium. Pretty much all of loyalist World Eaters died at the start of the HH. They died in bloody melee with their traitorous brothers.
I want Chapters of "loyalist csm" because the concept of the loyalists fighting against their traitorous brothers at the start of the HH always interested me.
Arch, please could you consider making an opposite video to this one: Which Loyalists would be likely to turn traitor NOW? I know it might be a silly request but i would personally be quite interested in seeing the flip-side to this :) Cheers
Yeah the whole special snowflake marines could make certain chapters flip their shit like the Dark Angels. Like the most secretive chapter and then of a sudden pappa smurf hands them astartes 2.0 and goes, "here's your brothers my nephews please accept them." Where in the the Dark Angels you are not promoted based on skill perse but by how much the chapter trusts you. Also while we're on the subject Asmodai is a fucking child with genetic enhancements and power armor.
@@dejalmer well about the Dark Angels and Primaris Marines... ya that's basically what happened, (it didn't help that the Primaris let there pride get to there head and the DA where dicks to them)
Night Lords fear and terror tactics was tactics they trained to do. Per a lot of the night lords books, the marines from Terra weren't particularly terrible people, they just trained into it. Similarly, the marines from Nostrama were kind of cruel people because of the cultural aspects of the homeworld. It's even been said in the books that the Night Lords gene-seed is surprisingly pure. It's a giant case of nature vs nurture. The way you are doing this video comes mostly accross as, would this traiter marine make a good loyalist marine, it isn't a discussion on their gene-seed which is all that matters. Like Thousand Sons would be bad, because their gene-seed is prone to mutation. Blood Angel gene-seed gives their obviously known flaw, but night-lords and World Eaters aren't notoriously violent because of gene-seed, but because of "nurture" (terror tactics being the scope of the Legion's warfare, vs butcher's nails being implanted in the marine). Like, Kharn, for instance, before going all Chaosy, was actually really level headed, and quite popular among his fellow legion astartes! Like, recent traiter marine chapters have come from loyalist primarchs gene-seed. Good ol' Papa Smurf and Daddy Dorn are considered paragons, so how would you explain chapters with their gene-seed turning traiter? Honestly, in terms of pure gene-seed, most the traiter legions would probably be fine. Sans thousand sons because of mutations.
rhoadesd20 agreed. World Eaters were pretty normal until they got the butchers nails, so it was not a geneseed flaw, for example. Funnily enough, it is the same argument that cawl makes when talking to guiliman; that many of the traitors were not flawed per se, yet guiliman still says no, sadly without further explanation.
TS are fine assuming the Chapter will have Blood Angel-esque rules on what to do when a mutation occurs, aka, kill em all. The real question is whether the TS psyker tendency came from their geneseed, or their homeworld. If it’s from the former then yeah, keeping track and killing mutants is required. If it’s because of Nostramo.... well, yknow. Then theyd be just like any Marine.
rhoadesd20 Alright, here we go, Emperor’s Children: mostly clean, had some problem starting out, their initial geneseed batch was poisoned, but Fulgrim made things better, and then made everything worse with his Slaaneshi deviancy. Nurture Iron Warriors: super solid until Daddy decided they needed to siege harder than Uncle Rogal and his Fists, eventually they endured so much bombing and warfare that they developed a culture of cynicism and nihilism along with simmering envy fueled rage. Nurture. Night Lords: One part nature, due to mostly recruiting actual criminals from Nostramo. And one part Nurture, since Curze never actually discouraged the criminality from flourishing. He just kept recruiting criminals and then bitched to Sevatar that his legion was full of depraved murderers. World Eaters: definitely nurture, without the Butchers nails the World Eaters would have been a normal legion with an above average propensity for close combat, just like the Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and White Scars. Death Guard: nurture, Mortarion and his paranoia is what led he and his sons down the path of damnation. Didn’t help that one of his right hand men was basically a secret Nurgle worshiper from the very beginning almost. Thousand Sons: their geneseed is whack and makes you turn into a Chaos Spaaaaawarglebargle, but other than that Magnus and his sons did nothing wrong, except for Ahriman, he did everything wrong but he did it for the right reasons. Nature, but it’s the squid’s fault at the end of the day Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves: were a regular legion until Horus decided to turn traitor. Nurture. Word Bearers: their fluff mentions a predisposition towards extreme faith and devotion, which isn’t a bad thing, imagine if they had kept worshipping the Emperor, Black Templar’s would have nothing on the sons of Lorgar, too bad Emps fedora tipping autism and the shitheel Erebus put an end to that. Nurture, once Lorgar was on the Chaos train the rest of the legion fell in king right quick. Alpha Legion: “Hey, there’s two of us, we can play both sides and then never loose.” Unfortunately, neither Alpharius or Omegon thought far enough ahead to tell their legion about their plans. So, nurture? Their nature as secretive bastards? Who knows. Bonus lightening round: The Fallen: nurture, Luther got jealous of Lion El. Red Corsairs: Nurture, Imperial Bureaucracy creates yet more problems for the Imperium. Crimson Slaughter: Nurture, got a Chaos curse and then went crazy. All of the Chaos warband s that formed out of The Judged.: nurture, the Ecclesiarchy was so incompetent they let a Chaos Worshipper become Ecclesiarch and then send 32 whole Space Marine chapters into the warp, of which one made it out alive, half were killed to a man or reduced to such a low number they were just pawned off to the Deathwatch as Blackshields, and half were corrupted and became new Chaos warbands. Bravo Ecclesiarchy, now Goge Vandire isn’t the biggest f*ck up you’re responsible for.
Just realised something listening to Arch’s description of how the Butcher’s Nails worked: they some a little bit like the implants that the Eversor Assassin are given to “nudge” them towards hunting down their targets. Could this have been where the Eversor Temple got the idea from?
Possible. Angron proceeded to implant his whole legion with butcher's nails, which means that, while not fully understood, they could be replicated. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to think the officio would use them.
About the Iron Warriors. They are not my faviourite legion (these are the Thousand Sons). But i have to say, i kind of understand why Perturabro turned to Chaos. If i imagine i would lead a legion, which is basically ignored by all of the other generals and is even considered a "lesser" legion in the eyes of a certain Primarch (Rogal Dorn) then i would not give a shit about the other Generals too. The Iron Warriors had always to do the dirty work. Years of attrition warfare in which even Astartes became crazy. Left behind by other legions, while they are taking the glory. (Ultramarines) And then the Emperor who gives literaly a shit about my legion. Furthermore the fact Perturabro was not so much a "warrior" Primarch. He hated war as well as Magnus. He would more like to build and plan buildings. And in the end the Imperial Fists gloryboys were allowed to build on the Imperial Palace, while Perturabro should be forgotten in the mud and blood of trench warfare.
If I was in charge of selecting Gene Seed for a new Space Marine Chapter and I was given the option of using Iron Warriors Gene Seed or Ultramarine Gene Seed, I would chose Iron Warriors.
The sad part about Perturabo is that he was a brilliant mind and a great architect, but his distaste for war made him a shit general. He started off by having 10% of his Legion executed and had only one battlefield strategy: meat grinder trench warfare . His gene-seed had the highest rate of compatibility and should have made his Legion even bigger than Guilliman's, but the high death rate from his awful tactics kept him as a lesser power.
My favorite touch about the Iron Warriors on the tabletop, at least in 30k, is that they are to only legion with Battle Brother level alliance with the World Eaters, which I can only imagine stems from Perturabo meeting Angron and going “I see you like sending hundreds of your sons to their death in pointless frontal assaults. You know I’m something of a strategist myself.”
Perturabo is a perturbed (heyo) manchild. He whined when people didn’t praise his conquests, but all he left were broken shells of worlds in his wake, much like Angron, only Angron did it for shits and giggles. These two are probably the most shit of primarchs because one is an inept weenie who vents his frustration through unbridled rage and the other just cries because Dorn has a better mustache and a bigger peepee. Would 100% ban the use of anything genetically related to either of those shitbags.
Well with the emperors children maybe you could play on their ego. "look at what your brothers became! But you are better, you can overcome and bask in the light of the emperor."
How about just telling the Successors the truth about how shit went down? Most of the Legions fell due to being lied to, and then a little unfortunate circumstance or direct Chaos influence. Screw Erebus.
The gene seed had a flaw known as the blight, I don’t believe that was ever fixed. Sooooo reinstating it would be pointless as they would just die soon ,in space marine terms of age.
While it was never fixed, the old corrupted gene-seed was replaced with fresh stock when they reaquired their primarch, so none of the gene-seed of the Emperor's Children currently in cold storage is afflicted by the Blight.
Well appropriate veneration of its lost heroes might help. Much like Rylanor they could once again be proud servants of the Emperor of Mankind, beloved by all!
Cawl mentioned that he had 11 gene seeds, the purged included. Emperors children may actually be in use already, new unit called sons of the pheonix... they believe they are Imperial Fist... that's from the preview pictures of the upcoming campaign books Iron warriors are a great legion to use. They're trench warfare skills would be needed. Once again I think we should make primaris iron warriors and tell them they are imperial fist gene seed marines. The Nightlords... I think they're similar to the raven guard. The main problem with 30k nightlords was that they gave their gene seed to criminals, social paths and serial killers. If they had given the gene seed to less psycho people then maybe they would be better. Make primaris marines and send to raven guard and their chapters. The world eaters are great, Angron not so much. The world eaters could be very useful. I love that the horus Heresey novels shows Kharn to be a knowledgeable and straight forward captain before becoming the betrayer. Make some primaris worldeater and send them to Commander Dante I'm sure he could use reinforcements. The deathguard, would be an amazing legion. Nathaniel Garro is an example. Their trouble came from Mortarion's insecurities and the fact that he was raised on Barbarus. That methane gas planet should not have been colonized. The Terra born were much better then the Barbarus born marines. Make some terra based primaris Dusk raiders. The thousand sons unfortunately were genetically flawed. I'm curious why the Emperor didnt get involved earlier and fix them. Instead he allowed Magnus to pray the gay away... I mean pray the defects away. They were probably one of the most loyal legions until the council of Nikea... and the space wolves almost exterminating all of them. Maybe the adeptus mechanic can primaris away the flesh change. The send them to the Blood Ravens to reinforce their chapter. The Lunar wolves were an amazing legion until they became the sons of horus. Look at Gabriel Loken before becoming Cerebus. Dont look at Ezekial Abbidon. However they're way too easy to corrupt, make a small batch of primaris and send to the deathwatch. The Wordbearers... I love this legion as they are born to be believers in something... Argul Tal, the chaplain and Sireenie were my favorite characters of first heretics. Dont make primaris marines unless you want to make "saints" or Emperor demons appear. The Alpha legion are loyal to Humanity and the Emperor. Sadly running into the Cabal was the problem. I like your Inquisition alpha legion troop, would make the inquisition scarier. My suggestion is make primaris marines and give them to the inquisition as armed forces. Perhaps a new adeptus espionage group... The 2 deleted or swiped left legions probably would be ok. I believe every legion follows their primarch. The 2 destroyed legions could be made primaris marines and founded in one chapter under the ultra smurfs...
@@robland3253 it was hinted in one of the Books that the Sharks are on chimera geneseed with atleast one part are World Eater. World Eater/Raven Guard is my guess for the sharks. Because well, they are pale n black eyed with a lot of aggression problems
I actually wouldn't be surprised if they were chimeric - a mix between two or more legion's geneseed. With Thousand Sons in the mix, explaining the extra psychers and the lack of information on who their Primarch is.
The problem i have with that hypothesis is that the Blood Ravens haven't turned into horrible monstrosities. and if your going to use the " they could have modified the Geneseed it to stop that" you have to remember that the Emperor himself tried to help Magnus in fixing that but couldn't anything and Magnus had to give up his eye to Tzeench in order to save his sons. I don't think modification is an acceptable answer.
T. For me if that is to be the case I hope there is a very good reason for them not turning into monsters. Like Magnus is actively holding back the mutations and is waiting for the right time to revel himself as the chapters daddy and try to recruit them. Even then that's stretching it to the limit.
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I'd argue that with konrad curze and his legion I'd say they were a legion out of time. Think about it, the imperium of man they served in and the imperium now is like a day and night difference. I'd argue that of all the traitor legions I think the one the imperium needs the most is the night haunters.
Of course it's fine to use traitor gene seed, just look at how we used World Eaters gene seed for the Black Temp....UMM I MEAN WE ARE TOTALLY IMPERIAL FISTS! YOU SAW NOTHING! Edit: The mid roll add showed up much earlier than intended. You don't need to intro and outro it.
THE BLACK TEMPLARS ARE LOYAL TO THE IMPERIUM AND ARE DESCENDANT FROM THE IMPERIAL FISTS AND FUCK THE TRAITORS TO DEATH. THAT IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY, RIGHT? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT?????? NOBODY EVER USED TRAITOR GENE SEED. EVER. THAT IS JUST HERESY. TO EVEN THINK IT IS HERESY. IN FACT YOUR FACE IS HERESY. AND ARCH IS HERESY TO EVEN SUGGEST A POSSIBLE SUGGESTION TO USE TRAITOR GENE SEED. DO NOT TRIGER THE SUPER LOYAL BLACK TEMPLARS.
Resurrection of the Night Lords is not necessary, for the Carcharodon Astra (SPACE SHHAAAARKS) could very well be a remnant of the Night Lords Legion (or maybe World Eaters, judged by their fighting style, close cobat preferency, and brutality). I refuse to believe my Chapter being Emo Ravenguard successor.
Márton Tóth I don't see any Night Lords in the Carcharodons. World Eaters or Space Wolves, sure, given their liking to CQC. Maybe less WE cause they aren't uncontrolled loonies.
One of their origin theories is that they were formed from loyalist Nigh Lords (and they kinda are what the Night Lords shoud have been "Justice,Judgement,Punishment"). As the WE theory (which has the less back up) they are not uncontrolled loonies because of the lack of the Butcher's Nails.
Guys, stop it, okay? We clearly KNOW where Carcharodons come from - they are part of old Raven Guard (pre-Corax, known as Dust Nomads who were basically Night Lords but more tactical - aka not-Emo, oh and they were exiled by Corax for being brutal and opressive force) and part of the Night Lords geneseed that said exiles captured during Sacking of Nostramo sector. For details, read Horus Heresy: Book Six - Retribution.
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Emperor's Children: possible, they weren't inherently corrupt. With this said I wouldn't use their gene seed because I bet Fabius Bile would istantly jump on them Iron Warriors: one of the safest options to bring back, as long as you never EVER deploy them with Imperial Fists' chapters (especially Black Templars) Night Lords: They could work with fluffy Astartes (ie Space Wolves) watching over them 24/7 because you know they would torture someone just for giggles World Eaters: a bit aggressive but workable, since there are Chapters who enjoy close quarter combat. They would pretty much be the canonic Angry Marines Death Guard: just brand them as Dusk Raiders, recruit them from safe places and then you have probably the best Chapter you could possibly have (taking into account the fact Astartes can't do anything on their own anymore) Thousand Sons: I think Tzeench corrupted the gene seed in the first place, to force Magnus' hand. With this said it's too risky to use them again, especially when you already have a Chapter of psykers (ie the Grey Knights) Luna Wolves: the idea of bringing them back should be an instant Excommunicate Traitoris. Even if you find a way to keep them loyal they have to stay as far away as possible from every other Chapter, especially the most zealous ones Word Bearers: if there's a way to make them loyal to the Emperor and not Lorgar you could have a workable Chapter. With this said it would be dangerously close to the Ecclesiarchy, causing other problems Alpha Legion: The Inquisition would hate these guys because the Alpha Legion would defy them at every turn AND the Big I wouldn't be able to pull off cuntish moves like they did to the Celestial Lions. With this said I wouldn't touch any of those gene seeds. Even if you make them loyal and safe every last one of them did terrible things to at least a loyalist Legion, which could spark another civil war. Granted after Cawl was able to create uber marines and avoid having a Sanguinary Guard using his head as cup it could happen On the add I had no problems with it, I think you could keep them on (if they make financial sense that is)
Emperor's children had that "Blight" thing that only their primarch's genetic material was able to fix. Who's to say it won't resurface at the most inopportune moment?
I noticed that, when talking about ressurecting the Night Lords gene seed, alot was said about Konrad Kurze/Nighthaunter (btw, great video on this guy. Both of them.). If the Night Lords got ressurected in M41 Kurze would be a non issue BECAUSE HE IS LONG DEAD. Also part of what the Night Lords go bad was were they recruited from and the fact that Nighthunter absolutely hated what they became. Even though the legion, for the most part, probably didn't care over much about their Primarch I cannot imagine that knowing your Primarch detests everything about you wouldn't have an effect of a legions psyche. Night Lords ressurected in M41 would likely still be a 'terror legion'...but the Imperium has and uses other terrible forces. I can't imagine that actually being much of an impediment. Given a different source of recruits and the absence of Konrad Kurze the Night Lords could turn out a very different legion.
@@paradoesntcare7275 "It’s too late... the Wolf is at the door and it hungers for blood. Oh, Throne... no, the blood! The Ravens, I see them too. *The lost sons and a Raven of Blood.* They *cry out for* salvation and *knowledge,* but *it is denied!* A brother betrayed, a brother murdered. The worst mistake for the noblest reason! It cannot happen, but it must!"' from *Prospero Burns*
I don't think Arch gets Angron's plot or character. His whole shtick is that he didn't want to be a soldier or general in an army and definitely didn't want to rule a world. He just wanted to be free and chill with his bro's.
No other primarch was instantly set upon by overwhelming numbers the moment they woke up and enslaved. There was literally nothing angron could do. Unsure how that makes him a failure
JDL R People say Blood Ravens can’t be Thousand Sons because they don’t suffer from the flesh change. I say that they do, but it only effects their vocal chords. In mild cases, it leads to “Unavailable Original Voice Actor Syndrome”, in extreme cases it makes the Marine go mad and begin ranting about Steel Rheine and Beenblades.
They do say the cult of corvidae yeeted due to their foresight. I believe the blood angels psykers are well known to predict the moves of their enemies. What a strange coincidence.
The Space Sharks are possibly already made from the Night Lords, Arch. Look up the 40k Theory. And I say...FULL PRODUCTION MODE!!!! Also, the World Eaters astartes volunteered to have the Butchers Nails implanted in order to try and understand their father. Back in 2014, in February, the very first Horus Heresy novel I read was the fourth novel, “Flight of the Isenstien”, so I LOVE THE LOYALIST DEATH GUARD!
I think that midrolls are worse than an "upfront" ads, because I like to listen to these Episodes kind of like an audio book and the ad really takes you out of the mood. BUT, it is not dramatic enough to make me turn off the Video or turn on adblock. An I understand the business point of it all, so if it helps, I won't complain.... much :)
I can understand the business side and what not. But to be completely unfront and honest with you. Ads period are a terrible thing, RU-vid allready double and triple dips with its ads having page ages, banner ads, suggested videos as advertisements themselfs, sponcered content. Im sorry but I have to speak out in this case. I have been running an ad blocker 24/7 on every site I visit cause im SICK AND TIRED OF STUPID ADS TAKING UP 50% OF MY BROWSING TIME! There are too many ads as it currently is which is why ad blockers even exist outside of stopping pop up advertisments which where just annoying as hell expecially when they made it so you cant easily close them. you do what you gotta do man, it is your channel, your time and your work, but I dont support it, not one bit.
This is just my point of view but nothing breaks my enjoyment more then the 8 millionth time I have to hear an ad for some garbage Final Fantasy 15 mobile game. Ads at the start are all good but midrolls take me away from the content I came to watch to try and sell me something that I have no interest in. As someone who has worked with RU-vid having had a separate gaming channel at one point the money you get from ads is so negligible its almost not worth putting them in, thats why the God Emperor invented Patreon he just happened to misplace the STC.
I agree midrole ads don't make me turn off the video but it does break the flow of the video. What about ads at the end of the video? I dont mind those as much.
I think when it comes to the fall of the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus is not some dark flaw in their gene-seed, but an ingrained passion in everything they commit to. You can see it in both the loyalists and traitors, and most recruits were from Cthonia, a place famed for it's intense characters. Such passion can be used for both heavenly good and thrice damned evil, so controlling that point would be paramount.
I honestly think that with the amount of videos you have made and the length of theme they all are, I would gladly accept the ads. You put in so much time and effort, the amount of information that one could learn, especially for new comers to 40k is amazing. Plus your sense of humour is great, love all the tiny jokes and such you put in
Commercials midway for long videos, given proper intros and outros, are just fine. As you grow larger it makes sense to increase ads, but perhaps they'd be better suited for the beginning and end of a video so the content goes on uninterrupted.
Brutalyte616 The Whatus What? You sound like you've gone off on the deep end, I think you should go check in to your friendly neighbourhood inquisitor and have him check your spiritual health.
*Begins to furiously take notes, especially 6 minutes in.* Edit: So here's my thoughts. 1: Emperors Children fall into temptation too easily, and if recreated must be heavily watched. 2: No. 3. The Night Lords I would rate a maybe, Send them after Xeno's (Mostly Eldar) and we'll see how this'll work out. 4. World Eaters are a solid maybe, Make them avoid Butchers nails and deploy them to Xeno Fronts and it should be good. 5. I'm on board for more Loyalist Death Guards, just if they go back to their Pre-Primarch versions as we need more Legions that work very well with Imperium Elements. 6. No. 7. Hell No. 8. Hell Fucking No. 9. ...I'm...Not sure on this one...But it'd be best to say No.
Resurrect the Dusk Raiders! They were fine Marines who were failed by their leadership and the 'shattered' elements that stayed loyal outdid themselves. Now that the Imperium needs Marines like no other time since the Heresy I say they'd make an excellent choice for founding entire sectors' worth of new Astartes. Hell, I'd even make them the template for 'modern' Space Marines even ahead of the Ultramarines, who have a proven and nasty streak of... pride (looking at you, Cato). Oh yeah, and go ahead with the ads my dude. Well worth it to me.
MrMortull most if not all the traitor legions are prefectly safe and only really became crazy because of their primarch leaders and prolongued exposure to the warp if you train them well enough I don't see any reason to not put all the traitor gene seed back into service hell might give the traitors more than they can deal with
MrMortull But it took the primarchs to amplify said faults to the point they became a problem plus it took the mighty charisma and more and more recruiting from the Primarch's home world where said Primarch was most likely considered a god and thus having said legionaires loyalty be to their primarch first to turn most traitor as we saw their were loyalists amongst every legion showing the gene seed itself to be fine hell in some cases like the Death Guard it took exteme situations to turn them to chaos worship even after they had become traitors
Mhh. You make a real point... of course the damage has been done to their Legions as it is. The likes of the Thousand Sons and Word Bearers would still be a very serious risk or at least SEEM to be so to the Imperium. Possibly bad enough to drive them to become renegades eventually anyway.
The Luna Wolves were the most prideful legion and along with a highly charismatic primarch for whom the entire legion would lay down their life, as well as years of manipulation and scheming (and the warrior lodges) towards the purpose of corruption, I'd argue it took *quite* a bit to turn them. It took one plot device and a dream sequence to turn Horus, because no amount of reasoning would've done it. Abaddon was the archetypal "jock character" who had all the skill required to be an excellent astartes, but no capability of diplomacy or consideration for anyone but fellow astartes (and then mostly only his own). He is the prime example of why astartes need indoctrination and complete devotion to keep them in line, even in the glorious and beloved Luna Wolves legion. In the end, I'd say the Luna Wolves are the most likely candidates to re-create, provided the stigma of association wasn't an issue.
I agree, I think a lot of the problem with the Luna Wolves was their pride and loyalty to Horus that led to their downfall along with a hefty amount of manipulation by Erebus. Have a good leader and honestly just tell them they are descended from the Ultramarines, no one but the Inquisition needs to know the truth
I think Arch has a point about the Luna Wolves being easy to turn. In Horus Rising, the first Luna Wolf to be exposed to the Warp - Xavier Jubal - turns after a single engagement all because he was sulking about being passed over for a promotion. Admittedly, he doesn't fully 'turn to Chaos' and more 'turns against his brothers' and sure, this was their first real experience dealing with chaotic corruption, but still. One engagement is all it took to turn the first Luna Wolf against his legion. I'd also argue that the most prideful legion would be the Emperor's Children. Mostly because they were obsessed with the idea of perfection and becoming as perfect as they could to the Emperor (I'd say some of the blame of that goes on the Emperor himself since if you name one of the legions as your children, there's a good chance they'll be constantly trying to live up to the name). Their pride and reluctance to admit to any mistakes got them into trouble on more than one occasion.
For the world eaters/ warhounds, we should probably mention they did not work well with mortals. Post or pre primarch. They were known to just butcher auxillia regiments they though did particularly badly, even before the butchers nails.
This covers the traitor legions, not the loyalists, I'm sure that he'll get around to the loyalists eventually...I can imagine the bile that he'll have for Big Papa Ultrasmurf, Angron and Lorgar Aurelian...along with the Ultrasmurfs.
Angron was never meant not be perpetually angry. He dearly wanted to stop. He wanted to be stopped. But he could not strop himself and he was incredibly hard to stop. It would be a great Irony is Angron was a reflection of the Emperor's good nature and restraint that was twisted and bent into an angry monster that dearly wanted anything but to be angry.
However much he wanted to stop its been stating in a few books that if they could remove his nails he would never ever do the procedure. His own words on that one.
The because its irreverent when the answer the if aspect. If he could get them removed he wouldn't and he has stated that. His issue boils down to ultimately that he was enslaved to the emperor just like he was to the high riders. He was in his mind a slave from the very beginning and the only freedom he ever felt was when he was with his eaters of cities. When they died, he died. He was denied a real death. He would never remove the nails though
Arch put in the Monty Python intermission screenshot and 5 Seconds music before and after the commercial break in the middle of the video and I think everyone will be cool with it and will get a laugh
Except copyright. But a funny way to announce the ads will go a long way to make them feel right. Maybe something specific video related or just a 40k radioshow introduction or something.
I think by far the worst two legions to try and revive are the thousand sons and the world eaters. Because the thousand sons have incredible luck with the whole mutation thing. And the world eaters because they never worked out all that well even when they were loyal.
I mean if the Blood Ravens are a Thousand Sons successor doesn't that sort of prove that you can still get some effective and loyal marines out of traitor gene-seed, assuming it wasn't some other factor that caused all their chaosy problems. I mean the majority of the chapter didn't go bad so that has to be a good sign.
Kyber Cat the world eaters issues where due to the butchers nails implants, an attempt to emulate there primarch. Despite the fact that Angaron generally did not approve of the practice. As for the thousand sons, good old fashioned manipulation.
The World Eaters' biggest problem was their heavy use of the Butcher's Nails in emulation of their Primarch. Without them, it's perfectly possible that marines using their geneseed would work out fine and dandy. The Thousand Sons, I agree with you on; their entire problem was genetic mutation.
I think that Angron's, Mortarion's and Perturabo's legions could be very viable for rebirth. The 1000 Sons are a great choice for rebirth, except for their geneseed flaws. Alot of Warhounds didnt like Angron and many of the Warhounds were very logical before the butcher's nails, they were less wild Spacewolves, they were pinpoint directed aggression. Angron couldn't conquer his own world because he was highly malnourished. I think many chapters were better off before their primarchs came into play. Mortarion and his legion was pretty much forced to join Nuurgle. Sidenote: How do the butcher's nails work? Do they require electricity?
But Arch, we do have The Emperor's Children reinstated! Because the Sons of the Phoenix *totally* come from Rogal Dorn with their name and armor colors suggesting otherwise. Also, what about the Silver Skulls (whose appearance and chapter iconography screams Iron Warriors) or the Sons of Orar (if this the chapter isn't an Alpha Legion successor, I'll be surprised). The Alpha Legion itself is bitterly divided in how they view themselves. You have Legionnaires like Voldarius (the fail sauce who became a Daemon Prince) who have totally devoted themselves to Chaos, while warbands like The Redacted see themselves as still loyal (The Redacted in particular see their actions against Imperium forces as a means of testing Imperium defenses and weeding out weaknesses. They also are not afraid to conduct operations against the traitor legions like the Word Bearers, either).
"Lets go Racing- to bring back the 8th Legion. Its Madness! Mix it up with the BIG BOYS! See their corruption really GO! Bolters, Power armor and Heresy! Dyn-o-mite! 2 corruption speeds, FAST and WAY TO FAST! Only for the Khaos gods!" I know nobody is going to get this reference but I don't care.
I love the idea that arch's guy has inquistors watching him 24/7 wondering why he is talking into a tiny warp portal about things that he shouldn't know about.
I don’t see a problem with the inquisition being very close with the night lords. The whole “terror” thing basically is a defining part of the inquisition and fits their organization. It also fits well with the emperor’s ultimate role for kurze as a judge/Justice head.
i actually think the nightlords would be a potential geneseed option, their geneseed is quite resistant to corruption and the taint of chaos. The problem with the nightlords was the humans implanted and the severe split personality of curze
I'm not a space marine fan by any stretch of the margin, although I still occasionally have a soft spot the pauldron bearers. However if I were to make a fan chapter it almost certainly would be of traitor legion stock. All of the traitor legions had their own virtues that ended up being overshadowed by their own follies or the follies of their primarch. Just imagine a chapter descended from the World Eaters that maintained the warrior traditions of the Warhounds of old or a Word Bearers descendant chapter that still bears a resemblance to the Imperial Heralds.
To be fair to The emperors Children, Fulgrim was Tricked Death Watch could be easily reinstated Dont forget that in the Lunar Wolves, There was Little Horus and Torgaddon and the last boy that ive forgotten the name of, Not every Son of Horus was traitor in their geneseed. The Iron Warriors have been seen to be Loyal to the Imperium at large and that Humanity must survive. The rest of the Legions are a Bad idea however.
Geez Arch - you are so Chapterist. There's no such thing as "variations between the chapters" - it's all just a social construct. There are actually trans-marines - who identify as a different chapter than their Primarch There are also Chapter-fluid marines - who might identify as a Blood Angel in Close combat, but then identify as an Ultramarine to get all their BS re-roll to hit/wound for the shooting phase. There's Otherkin Marines - who may have been born as a RavenGuard, but are actually a Tau Crisis suit, just waiting to fire their Rail guns. Imma flag this video as hate speech....
Emperor: "Konrad Curze, be at peace, for I have arrived and intend to take you home." Curze: "That is not my name, Father. I am Night Haunter, and I know full well what you intend for me."
Ha, can you imagine the Night Lords unleashed on the Tau?! Or, the World Eaters?! Also, with the Thousand Sons, it is implied that Tzeentch was the Demon Magnus unwittingly made a deal with. And as for the Alpha Legion... we all know Omegon is their only living Primarch and he's utterly loyal, Omegon and loyalist Alphas are still following the Emperor's last Great Plan!
I don't mind. But I suggest maybe, an intro ad and end ad instead. 2 ads and no mid cut. Again I do not mind, I use it as an intermission tbh, the ad does not bother me. I agree with the thing. Keep it up! some tbh
Mind you, the longer your videos the more I watch them personally, just don't do like some others with ads every 5 mins coz that gets annoying - but some I wouldn't mind like 1 per 10/15 mins
If the thousand son's mutations were chaos based, couldn't the grey knights help them stabilize their gene seed if they were recreated in the imperium? I feel like with the right adjustments and precautions the thousand sons could be a MASSIVE asset to the imperium.
The Crimson Fucker not really mate most ads on here are about 30 seconds so two mid rolls in a 45 min vid isn’t something I’d be two bothered about, especially if it helps arch make some more money. Here in the uk mate most tv channels have about 4 mins of ads for every 10-15 of actual tv. So doing the math your still way ahead watching this.
2:17 Emperor's Children: Medium Danger. 6:07 Iron Warriors: Safest of all. 11:12 Night Lords: Maximum. Gene Seed buried in some deep dark place where nobody can ever find it again. 16:10 World Eaters: Medium to low. 21:28 Death Guard: Low to medium. 27:30 Thousand Sons: Just don't fucking do it. Worse than the Night Lords. 31:48 Luna Wolves/Sons of Hours/Black Legion: *Heresy.* Horus' semen kept on ice. 35:39 Word Bearers: *Inescapable Heresy.* 39:06 Special mention of Arch braying into the mic. 39:29: Alpha Legion: Medium to high.
I didnt see any add in the vid?...that said...if the mid-vid adds makes you a little extra i think its only fair on long vids, im generaly of the opinion that if the vid is more then 30min long then multible adds are more then fair On the Lore side of things I am personally a beliver of the theory that the Blood Ravens are decentent from the Thousand Sons, and as such i would think that it would be possible, if somewhat dangerous, to create chapters based on their gene-seed, maybe whatever deal Magnus the Red made with the powers of the warp would cover any decendents too? the World Eaters/Warhounds isnt that different from some other chapters around, and as such i see no real danger in using their gene-seed, ofcourse they would have to be watched for khornate tendencies, but still as safe as any Astartes Legion The same for the Deathguard, they seemed like the perfect Astartes the rest i would think i agree more or less comepletly with Arch assessments, but yeah, i would love more videos like this while 40k Theories is a specialise in the subject of, well, 40k Theories you Arch however add your very own flavor which i find very appealing, and your longer videos also appel more to my tastes
the reason NOT to use traitor geneseed is simple,most evil primarchs are alive and primarchs have some genetically enginereed BS that makes their own marines to just... obey. if you make a emps children chapter (or many for that matter) and they just eventually come across fulgrim,and he says "sitt down"... they do. ironically that makes the sons of horus and night lords your best and safest bet. the archtraitors and the crazy psychos....
There are already plenty of traitor geneseed used in modern Chapters. The Sharkies are very Night Lord in nature, but more importantly, the Silver Skulls are literally loyalist Iron Warriors. The Blood Ravens are possibly Thousand Sons, but there WAS a company that Magnus kept off-world and didnt take with him to the Eye. Regardless, the TS are still rather closet Loyalists until the Burning of Prospero anyway... the Minotaurs might be loyalist World Eaters. And further complicating these are the ‘chimaeric’ geneseed Chapters.. AND the Primaris Marines, who have been developed for literally millenia. Dont think Cawl’s one to toss away geneseed for future usage.... And of course, there’s the Alpha Legion. For all we know one of the twins defected in total secrecy and became the source of multitudes of Alpha Legion-based Chapters officially listed as something else. Overall - if some remained Loyal during the Heresy, what’s stopping them from using THOSE geneseed in particular? Wouldnt they then be naturally resistant to this Primarch link? ....direct usage of Eye of Teror sourced geneseed should 100% be avoided though.
This claim makes 0 sense and is not backed up by the lore what so ever.If space marines have to bend the knee to primarchs no matter what then why where the space marines of the traitor chapters still loyal to the emperor dropped on Isstvan to be executed?If your claim is true no matter their loyalties if their primarch order them to defect they should have.
@@enggigg6644 I guess it's fair to say they feel a natural Kinship to their fathers, but this can be overcome. I find it curious that many of the Terran born Astartes within the traitor Legions remained loyal dying upon Istvan. I guess they felt a natural loyalty to their home, Terra, the heart of the Imperium. Something those marines raised from the adopted primarch home world's don't share. I would guess that while marines have a sort of link to the will of the primarch, it doesn't override their other loyalties.
Dude that is utterly wrong, each traitor legion had to purge 1/3rd of their own because these men had remained loyal. Not only that a great deal of them were Terran born and were not compromised by the teachings of their Primarch. A marine with another upbringing, who was separated from their genesire,... Remained loyal in most cases.
Arch, i noticed that whenever i listen to your videos i space out and imagine you sitting at a VERY ornate desk explaining lore and doing extreamly exaggerated hand motions and facial expressions
