I have loaded a bunch of test rounds with my Lee Pro 1000 and 158, 140 and 125 gr. bullets and am looking forward to testing them out. Good luck with yours. You are going to love it.
A slower smokeless powder in 45 Colt gives better velocity, especially in a rifle. CFE Pistol powder, max book load of 9.2gr can push a 250gr RNFP cast bullet over 1000fps in a 7 inch barreled single action pistol, and still be under the SAAMI 14000 PSI pressure max, at around 13000 PSI. Add another 200-300 fps or so out of a rifle with the same load. You don't have to run +P loads in a 45 Colt to get it moving. At the "standard" (black powder) velocity of ~900fps, the 45 Colt is still no slouch, it was a cartridge originally designed to drop a horse at 150 yards!
@@gB-xd5fk Never hot rodded 45 Colt, no need to. But I have seen standard 45Colt loads in the ~1350fps range out of a 20" 92 lever action. That's more than enough. You can see some barrel leading at that speed range though, so got to watch your lead hardness. Speed isn't everything. In those old cartridges, mass > speed. Take a look at the 45-70 as an example. That 405 - 500gr bullet is a freight train that can drop a Grizzly, moose, or buffalo, and it's not moving any faster, usually in the original loading at around 1100fps. BP is not a very efficient powder compared to smokeless, they used mass instead of speed to improve power. Increased mass also gave increased range, and effectiveness at range. That's why you see the old rifle cartridges in the higher calibers. To move that much mass also needed more BP, so the cartridge size went up too. The limits of what BP can do really shows in the later BP cartridge era, with things like the 50-110 up to the 4 bore calibers for big game (elephant, rhino, hippo) hunting. I've heard there were even bigger, but have never seen one. I turned down the opportunity to shoot a 4 bore many years ago, and after seeing the bruise it left behind on the owner, don't regret it. :)
@@damrgee8279 Believe it or not, .454 Casull can top 45-70 out of a rifle. This is mainly due to the fact that 454 is usually loaded to 65,000psi, where .45-70 generally ranges anywhere from 28,000psi to 32,000psi. Now, you can definitely get more out of .45-70 if you really push the envelope. Even tho, generally speaking, the maximum safe recommended PSI is 32,000, some folks have loaded .45-70 to 50,000psi, and that'll sling a heavy bullet real fast; but to say it's risky is an understatement
Leverguns 50, I have missed watching your videos. Yes those Rossi R92s are well worth having and enjoyed my 45 Colt one, so much I went and bought two stainless Rossi R92s. One in .38/.357 and with the longer barrel in .44 Magnum. Hope to get those new ones to the range soon. Appreciate the variety of loads and the carbine to rifle tests. Be safe and well sir. I also watch your vids as RE:Desert_Boy. Thanks
Always enjoy seeing my lowly Rossi 92 in 45LC shine. 😁 Now that weather is cooler here In Louisiana jungle, I’ll have to take my carbine out for some exercise. Thanks man. Always good stuff. 👍
My first and favorite cartridge. The 460 mag is just a longer 45lc with a stronger case. That 92 action is strong, I was surprised at the 2400+ fps out of that cartridge. Thanks
I have both of those guns although my rifle is the blued version. I've done some action work and they are very slick. Like you I'm a fan of the 45 Colt. I have 3 of them and almost bought a Bond Arms derringer in 45 Colt but ended up passing on that. One thing about the Rossi's is the fact that they have a very quick and cheap finish on the furniture but at the same time it is very easily removed. On both of my rifles I've sanded then to 600 grit and did a hand rubbed oil finish. It really brings out the beauty in these rifles and I see one of your guns has some nice figure in the butt stock. If that were my rifle I would be chomping at the bit to have a go around with that wood. But I'm an old part time wood worker-mostly a wood turner now-so i like doing that kind of stuff. Great vid. BTW if you go to the Rossi rifle forum and look in the reloading section you can find where some of the guys were developing hot 45 Colt loads. It's been at least 4-5 years since I've visited there but if I remember correctly Lil Gun was one of the powders they were using
I do believe with the right projectile, it'll do just about anything you need done on just about any N American game under 100 yards. But, the power that T. Suite was getting out of that 454 Casull carbine was astounding. Basically 45-70 govt power from a pistol casing.
Like you comparison the length, powder bullet weight, size, they all have a purpose, it's like spices a bit of this with a bit of that and presto depends on what flavor one would want on that particular day and where you R, most people don't think about that cause not all people live on mauntains, sea level is one thing but altitude is another matter and there you have to check what works and what doesn't..! 👍👍👍😉
Couple years I was using a Rossi M92 lever rifle in .45 long colt during deer season. A young buck was heading towards my stand, wind in my favor, when he suddenly stopped, turned sideways and just stood in that position. Figuring that the 225 gr bullet would drop a little I aimed at the top of his back just behind his shoulder (open sights) and dropped him with one shot. Turned out the bullet dropped very little and I cut his spine in two. Next day I measured the distance from my tree stand to where the buck dropped and it was 94 yards, which is hard to believe even though i double checked that distance.
@@Leverguns50 I was telling my reloading buddy about what u found and how we need to try some slow burning powders in our long pistol caliber guns to see how we can utilize the long barrel
I have a Rossi R92 20" blued carbine in 45 Colt. Mine is really well finished. It's like they deburred it. No sharp edges and very smooth action. I replaced the flip safety with a button and the plastic mag follower with a stainless one. I also ordered a set of elevators from Rossi and found that the middle one is perfect for my chosen load. They come low, medium and high so you can match your load velocity.
Great vid Jeremy! Looks like we are going to have to love the short rifle pistol caliber package for its esthetics, sight radius, and extra capacity, and not for generating more velocity. I just wish we could find out what powder Barnes and Buffalo Bore loaded in their ammo to get a significant increase in velocity with the longer barrel in the 44 Mag. By the way, I love the Target Suite plaque you made for me. I "seasoned" it with some vinegar, salt, and ammonia to give it an aged look. It will be on display in my next long form video.
Just a guess but I bet they are useing H110/W296 (same powder) or LIL-Gun, they seem to give the highest velocities in max cartridges such as 357, 44 mag and 45 colt.
Nice rifle. Really like both my Rossi 92’s. I took a scotch brite pad to my stainless one and knocked that shine off it lol. AA#9 has given me the best velocity in my 24 inch 357. A little over 1800 fps with a 160 gr cast bullet.
Hi, Thanks for making this Video. I have been looking for a .45 LC Rifle to go with my Ruger Vaquero in .45LC. I really am getting Sold on the Rossi. Decent Price for a Great Rifle in my opinion, though I haven’t Shot one yet. I like the idea of carrying one type of Ammunition for my Rifle and Pistol. If you look at Stories from the Old West, most of them Carried .45LC Rifles and Pistols. Also the 44-40, which I have a combo of already. Something about the .45 LC just makes it my favorite. I think you Sold me on the Rossi.👍👍
900fps for the plink and 1700fps 250gr for the big crits. This cartridge is no joke in the little rossi 92. Love mine!! Added the bullseye peep and its so fast!!
Sounds like you're running the same setup as I am. I've got a Bullseye sight on my 20 inch and it's dead on at 100 yards with the elevator removed and the factory front sight.
@@Gristle111 I use a lot of Hogdon Universal for my plinking loads and H110 for the hot stuff. I use Blue Dot and 2400 too. I've been trying to get my hands on some Red Dot but haven't been able to find it locally.
Great channel. Nice shooting. 16 barrel feels great to hold. The 45LC can get some real warm rounds too. No 45-70 but an amazing pistol round in a rifle! Won the west!👍
Funny. I don’t mind stainless carbine, but a stainless Octagonal barrel just seems wrong. I have had the .45 Colt carbine over twenty years now and love it. The stock is some hardwood that’s stained very dark, almost black. These guns are just so handy to carry, stow and pack a helluva wallop.
Added magazine capacity and increased sight radius with the rifle, but the carbine is handier with similar power output. I myself have a rossi 92 trapper with a scout scope, in 45 LC. The rifle is light, handy, and accurate. The scope is nice for my aging eyes and while I haven't chronographed it, I believe it will still deliver good power. Handguns can deliver impressive power, an while my 16 inch barrel may not reach the level of the carbine or rifle, I bet it's not far behind.
Great video. I shoot a 45 Colt with a 24 inch barrel. 21.7 grains of H110 gives me 1375 fps with Hornady 300 grain XTP Mags. Fed Large Pistol Mag primers. I don't know why i like the rifle so much? Maybe its because it thumps just enough, is accurate and fits well?
A thought just occurred to me (Yeah i know it scared me too and i wont be doing that again) black powder fouling and rust is it an issue with these guns When theyre fired with black powder
I have the 20" in 357 and I love it. Just don't get to shoot it as much as I'd like. I upgraded all the springs and mag follower and added a Saddle Ring.
I have the same rifles 24in and 20in, when loading the 45 colt more toward approaching 44 mag pressures (45 colt Ruger data) 250gr cast for instance @ 1700 with the carbine, I get over 1800 with the rifle useing H110, I found a 110-130 fps gain with the Rifle depending on bullet used and close to max charges of slower powders.
The cartridge that wasn't EVER chambered in any original rifles, not even by Colt. Still one of the most versatile rounds available today, but a 120 grain bullet???? Yea.......that has .350 Legend hype all over it!
We did see a difference in his handloads where he ran slower burning powder, it was ~125 fps with another 4" of barrel. There's a limit to everything in pistol calibers. Just so happens 20" barrels are pretty much right where things are maximized with .44-40, .357mag, .44 mag, .45 Colt, etc. Only with the bigger horsepower stuff would I suspect in most factory loads you'd see a bit more velocity with longer barrels, such like .454 Casull, .460 S&W mag. I don't think .500 S&W mag would benefit, from what I've seen with the Big Horn Armory lever. High pressure longer casings benefit some. It's more about increased magazine capacity, sight radius, and how the barrel swings/handles. Velocity increase is quite impressive with .357magnum in levers. Buffalo Bore published data with real-world firearms, but BB loads their cases to about max in all practical purposes.
Man its sad because A american henry rifle will runn 550-600...and they're chambered in .22 LR. And the bigger the caliber the bigger the price tag on them Henry's. I like how ive seen this gun or one similar to this except it holds 10rds in the tube and is also chambered in .45LC for basically $500-550.
That’s true, but you could use a slower burning powder and get more velocity because the barrel is longer, but with the powders most people use, you would have no advantage with the longer barrel other than it holds more cartridges, and with peep sights it’s more precise, because the distance between the sights is longer
