To me it looked like you really had 100hp more than e46 but it pulls away in corner exists. I think this was a perfect example how power needs to be matched with components to eliminate bottlenecks..
@@RDEnduro It think the reason he was on the power sooner was like Misha said in the video, with soft suspension you need to wait for the car to settle after the corner. So with hard suspension, the lateral force is absorbed by the tire more than suspension, producing more grip, more consistent grip and car is not tilted, so you have lower center of gravity
I appreciate his honesty but it’s a hard position for him to be in to say anything. Hopefully most owners can accept the advice and “not let it affect their pride”. I love his commentary about parts and car and the track etc…
@@GrabberSmurf Yea, owner was humble and open minded. If i was him i would keep the comfy suspension and sacrifice those 10 sec that i would gain few times on TF 😂
I love this. Once I saw that e46 fly-by I said to myself - oh, boi, here goes that e92 sitiuation again and Misha will be on it. And I was not wrong, neither disappointed :) Absolutely adore these "duels" makes the content pop-up alottt. Great driving overall !
This does really not look like 480hp... I mean, take it with a grain of salt because it's pretty inaccurate (and it's not on a straigt road really), but going by tachometer and timestamp at the start of the lap, it took around 11 sec 100 - 200 km/h. I think stock is ~12-ish sec with 340hp. Also would check out with the E46 M3 being slightly faster or par. Both cars also pretty much weigh the same actually (M3 ~1570kg, M240i ~1565kg). So I think Misha is pretty much spot on with the suspicion of around 380hp instead of 480hp.
i am using m240i xdrive.i am also using mhd stage 2. but it depends on the amount of ethanol you put in, it can be 420 horsepower. apparently it wasn't like 480 hp
Mischa, this car is the perfect combination for track? I was expecting a better lap but at the end I made my mind that this car doesn't have the 480hp stated by the owner. Thumbs up to the M3 driver he was going very hard man 👍 The suspension was also all over the place 😁
if stage 2+ on 102 ron it is around 460-480. But those numbers are never related to track performance, when stuff gets hot power is lost. Source: passed a regular m2 on my 140i stage 2+, slowly lost power to the point he passed me on a straight again and my car went limp :)
Misha, unless you let off during the first pull along the straight, the 100-200KPH (even just using the speedo measurement and not GPS speed) looks to be around 10.5-11.5 seconds. Definitely not 480BHP if that's the case! I have an M240i with a stage 2+ BM3 tune and it will do 100-200 GPS in 7.5-8 seconds depending on the weather. It'd probably look like less than that if you were just looking at the speedo too. BM3 stage 2+ will be something like 450-480BHP.
Considering the car being from the UK, I'm not surprised with the soft setup on the suspension of the car . The roads are not letting you drive with a hard setup.
Well, the steering wheel feeling of the 1M really is trash against those e46 or older gens, imho! Assistance is great ratio but idk why you just loose so much feel when comparing to e46 M3 or even E92 from which it has the front end.
This is the biggest issue with people getting coilovers and I've seen it twice first hand, people buying them and assuming they are ready to go from the box without paying any attention or learning how the car adapts to different ride heights, spring stiffness and damper adjustments.
The KW V3 is fine out of the box: - on a road car - but NOT suited for a track use! …and also not matching with semi slicks. The tyre offset much less than the stock car which makes the springs even softer
E46 M3 driver was driving to the cars full potential but this M240i was a disappointment in the performance department. He needs to get the engine mapping done by someone who knows the B58 well and the suspension/geo setup properly.
Another tuned M240i with the handling of a Vietnam riverboat. Seems to be a uk thing when M140/240i owners go straight for 450+ when they should address the poor chassis first. LSD, M4 LCA’s, bracing, bushes, decent coil overs before POWAAA. Always many tuned examples of these on autotrader with standard chassis, maybe lowering springs and spacers if you are lucky 🙈I guess it’s all about ‘gapping’ on dual carriage ways though right?
KW V3 is great For ROAD use. But for TRACK its too soft. An the wider wheels (smaller offset) of this wide body conversion make the soft V3 spring rates even softer in reality
@@miguelsousa6216 yes V3 is top of the line for road use (besides XTAplus3). But suspension developed for road use is not the correct one for track application. For track you wanna go for e.g. KW Clubsport coilovers
Suspensions soft cause it has adjustable suspension and adaptive dampers. You were in comfort mode, should’ve put it in sport +, which would’ve stiffened the suspension, added more weight to the steering, and given you access to all 480 bhp since it’s a valved exhaust. Also the m235i and m235ir had the n55 engine, with the m240i switching to the b58 engine. Edit- after further along in the video, I realized misha turned on sport + halfway through the video.
Failed the MSoP Test...Misha Seat of Pants, what better way to test a car HP figures mean nothing if you cant put it down to the ground. Well Done Misha Buddy.....careful though Buddy the speeds you are driving I would wear at least a crash helmet and some eye protection. Gotta love your passenger for his running commentary as well
Which brake pads does he use and which KW suspension? I didn't understand it acoustically. By the way: Misha also speaks good German, as I hear at the end 😃
My BM3 stage 2+ with Supra high pressure fuel pump is marginally quicker than the stage 1 power (7.5-8 seconds 100-200KPH versus 8.2-8.4 stage 1) but I have seen dyno runs from other cars supposedly around 480BHP with similar 100-200 times. I haven't had mine on a dyno though and it's hard to know which ones to trust, but a lot of 500-600HP saloon cars produce similar 100-200 times with a bit more weight. The M240s really fly because they're so light compared to loads of other stuff on sale today!
even if it has 100 hp more than the black bmw that was ahead, without a doubt they are not noticeable in the face of a less powerful but much lighter car.. I didn't like the constant rubbing of tires on the trenches, it distracts the driver and could cause problems on a track
Henry Catchpole reviewed this car for Carfection a few years ago. Pretty unique road car but also feels pretty pointless as the M2 exists. Could explain why only one exists…
I love it when misha humbles these guys who claim big power numbers and think they have the sickest car. If I’m honest the car looks awful onboard and that e46 is so much better😍
Two things come to mind: 1) is that "really" 480hp? or is that other BMW nicely modded as well. 2) eye opening to see how much gas is needed for one lap.
@@tommerlin6579 I think its mainly the suspension that is the reason for the cornering performance we've seen from M3 here and not speculating how heavy the driver of M3 is 😆
Hey Misha 🖐 I am curious what's the reason You do laps in so many different cars? And Second thing: Maybe could You do a video about Your favourite FWD, AWD and RWD cars with small explanation why and what do You like in that cars the most? See You 👊
@@mdev8846 It is especially the calibration of the springs, which must be checked ... but the hydraulics of the struts are not to be overlooked ... it is a set. Putting one without the other makes no sense (personal opinion)
Why ppl always have to flex with fake HP numbers? If ppl ask me i am always going with "uhm, dont know.. 140 somethin" and just surprise them :) 200 isnt that much either but for me totally fine :)
Yep, spring rates are all wrong for the track hence the bottoming out and riding the bump stops but this is a better example of just how shitty the damping setup is on the sub-M cars.
Hey Misha , great video as always , quick question , for my stock M240i manual (M sport suspension) , I want to only do 5 laps of the ring , do I need to get new tyres , pads and discs or can I do it on the existing ones , but keeping in mind that all of those will wear a bit more ?
im not misha, but you should be fine going in stock as long as you dont go full ham. if you want to go ham, id recommend upgrading brakes due to possible fading issues
Epytec adapter für 380 m4 bremse vorne, stahlflex Bremsleitungen, motul rbf 660 Bremsflüssigkeit, Endless m4 Bremsbacken. Das ist Mehr als genug fur für Daily und track use.
@@paradox5556 Awesome , thank you for your reply :D , I suspect that any decent vended discs for the fronts and rears and maybe EBC yellow stuff should be enough to help with the fade?
For just 5 laps you will be fine as long as the current components are in good condition. Monitor the brake pressure while driving and back off once the pedal starts becoming soft.
I like soft suspension, it's not useless if you're style works with it. People get used to following the same code without question, eventually it becomes group think. Having a loose ass end creates more grip than having the dime a dozen setup, but yeah the front end should be lightly stiffer than the rear not arguing that.
@@mdev8846 with stock tyres size & offset the V3 might also work on track for some rounds, I’d recommend to firm up compression & rebound damping by some clicks
Always had that lawnmower feel with this brand which I never had in the Audi's I drove. Maybe I renew my experience driving something like this (once I've redone all electronics aircraft style so I can put some trust into the system 😁)
If you cannot drive significantly faster (straight line) with a 480hp M240 which should do 8s 100-200kmh than the E46 M3 which is doing 11-12s 100-200kmh you know sth is wrong with these claimed 480hp ;)
@@vollcare4076 The nurburgring isnt about 100-200kmh times in a straight line. It has corners, it requires skill, and most importantly, it requires a car with a good setup of balance including brakes and suspension.
KW V3 are really a good suspension, his just needs to be stiffened a bit , I’ve got bilstein b16’s which are pretty much the equivalent and handles great