5 BEST Messengers For Privacy & Security!

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Looking for the best messengers to take back your privacy and security? Look no further! Here's our recap of the 5 (more like 4) best services for privacy.
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@redeyesdrogon786 3 года назад

alternative title: Techlore roasts Telegram and then gives the top 4 Best Messengers for Privacy

@ajhalili2006 3 года назад

He probably roast Telegram users next like me.

@shoukokomi8081 3 года назад

@not hing lol on Element/Matrix you can create your own server lol so all your metadata was on your server inshort there's no need to worry about it sir

@diogonunes1608 3 года назад

A "Roast list" would be a great video idea. Top 5: FB Messeger, WhatsApp, Google Messenger, Snapchat, Kik, etc.

@ushilives3 3 года назад

Nekogram X is more secure than Telegram

@burhanbudak6041 2 года назад

Telegram isnt IM, its social media like Facebook, Discord and VK.

@oscwavcommentaccount 3 года назад

My face when telegram had the most votes: *hide the pain*

@madness1931 3 года назад

Same. I think it might have something to do with the Linux community. It's pre-installed, or easily available (by that, I mean the front page of a Repo Store) on a lot of Distros, I think some make the connection that it's automatically private because of that. That's the only reason I can think of, anyway.

@InventorZahran 3 года назад

Telegram is currently one of the most popular substitutes for WhatsApp.

@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 3 года назад

@@InventorZahran so what? WhatsApp is most popular 😀

@MK-of7qw 3 года назад

Telegram is like the Minecraft Phantom of messengers. give people a choice of options and they pick the worst one =D

@InventorZahran 3 года назад

@@MK-of7qw Phantoms don't add any real value to the game, other than providing material to repair elytras. But at the same time, they greatly diminish the player's freedom by effectively "punishing" them for not sleeping regularly. Phantoms are especially bad on multiplayer servers, where all the players must be sleeping at the same time in order to skip the night.

@dreadinajeep 3 года назад

had to pick my jaw off the ground when he said kik and SC lol.

@coriander3170 3 года назад

Yeah I was like - Oh Henry

@kodyballard49 3 года назад

Glad to see Session get some love, remember finding the project a good while ago & thinking it could easily become a Signal competitor. Can't wait to see the "Ultimate Comparison" video. Any chance of getting more videos like this regarding Browsers, MobileOS, & PC OS? Your videos have been a great help on my personal journey towards privacy

@techlore 3 года назад

Always have more like it on the back burner!

@kodyballard49 3 года назад

@@techlore always look forward to your videos

@w1z4rd9 3 года назад

@not hing Source?

@w1z4rd9 3 года назад

In Privacy Session wins. Just no video call because of the system.

@belletable147 2 года назад

Does Windows know what I'm doing in the Session messaging application?

@altamci 3 года назад

Techlore is probably one of the most important channels on youtube right now

@buddhafx5973 3 года назад

Did you say Rob Braxman?

@declinedyt5565 Год назад

My vote goes to the hated one But ok

@baconboy-robloxmore2684 Год назад

No he did not

@kidlaroii Год назад

yes

@papagalos7103 3 года назад

Very good work bravo !, I found your channel recently and I really loved your work continue to inform and help people about anonymity.Γreetings from Greece! Peace n stay safe!

@marius1382 3 года назад

I like Threema, works perfekt on my A4 with Calyxos. Jami looks also very cool but not many people use it and I dont know how safe it is.

@kdfksfkldsklfkldsff 3 года назад

I was so shocked when he said snapchat. 🙄😂 Oh my god!

@flxmeXD 17 дней назад

Same 😂

@DjDevastor Год назад

Briar reminds me of the old days, me and my friend sitting in bed at night chatting locally on our Nintendos without connecting to a central server

@ListenToPumpkinMusic 3 года назад

Nice to see a sensible response to The Hated One's video on Signal which a lot of people seemed to interpret the wrong way.

@macktheripper7454 3 года назад

I like the hated one but he gets a lot wrong ..the more people talking about privacy the better tho

@ListenToPumpkinMusic 3 года назад

@@macktheripper7454 He wasn't really wrong about anything in the video, it's more that the problems he raised in it don't actually affect his average viewer. People were freaking out like they needed to delete Signal overnight when a "wait and see" approach makes a lot more sense for the majority of us.

@yokihosi9230 3 года назад

Just noticed the video, said 'oh Techlore' , this gonna be usefull and unique as usual

@ThinCar 3 года назад

How to use element, I have installed it and whenever I send anything its showing to the sender and to me also that unable to decrypt keys withheld.

@oscwavcommentaccount 3 года назад

I will try Session. (Signal is my second option if I don't like Session)

@Wolfman_NV Год назад

Curious how you guys feel about threema? Specifically vs signal? Was half expecting to see it on the list

@SzBenedek2006 Год назад

Session is much better, than it was and it's developing fast.

@bitwise4996 2 года назад

Telegram is absolutely beautiful and fast. Its a shame that privacy isn't its main subject.

@arditilazi4435 2 года назад

yes ! but now it doesn't work like it used to there are some typa bugs

@minatonamikaze2637 Год назад

How can you expect privacy in a public channel? + there are secret chats

@dyxlexorcist Год назад

But, it is miserably useless for offline usage.

@minatonamikaze2637 Год назад

@@dyxlexorcist wdym offline usage

@saktimanbobby3026 3 года назад

I was waiting for this 🤣🤣 u are awsome

@yassangiovannini9275 3 года назад

I would like to know your take on Jami.... or did I miss something? Thank you for all the info :-)

@jonathancorbett7882 3 года назад

No mention of Threema? Come on! By far the best mix of security and usability, hands down!

@eldrago19 2 года назад

It was one of the options in the community poll. That said it's a centralised solution that costs money.

@YellowJell-O 2 года назад

@@eldrago19You get what you pay for.

@Josteldrasfurion 2 года назад

Status im? it's also p2p..ish (does use nodes). It also has its cryptocurrency, what's the problem with those? I don't get it. It seems to be similar to Session.

@onediversity6317 2 месяца назад

Is there a way to get session on iOS without the App Store?

@jmart1280 3 года назад

So which one do I use so I can reach people that don't use these secure apps?

@ankur.vloggs 3 года назад

What do you think about Rolo? It uses Blackberry's security

@MrWalker1000 3 года назад

Session is based in Australia which has anti encryption laws. Signal uses Amazon web servers. Matrix not true decentralized and is inneficient to run your own server. No xmpp conversations?

@bradIeyyy 2 года назад

signal is open source ands end to end encrypted... (OPEN SOURCE )

@outlawandtattoos9481 3 года назад

God bless you btw what do you need to study in uni to become a security researcher

@AcidiFy574 3 года назад

@Techlore, I wanted to ask you a question, will GrapheneOS be available for the FairPhones as well?? & that goes for CalyxOS as well it would be a shame if that DIDN'T happen😢 the phone is Pro Right-To-Repair & /e/-Foundation even sells FairPhones with /e/-OS Pre-installed Maybe even libreboot them😏 FairPhones could be the "ThinkPad" of smartphones

@vicstoron 3 года назад

I think is unlikely that Graphene or Calyx will support Fairphones due to stuff related to firmware of the device. but, if something like a coreboot for fairphones start to happen (as you described) and that makes support with Calyx or Graphene possible, I can definitely see it happening, but dunno if it will.

@aksingh3167 3 года назад

Signal is still my favourite

@rikohermawan4966 2 месяца назад

Why ?

@ronnie3626 2 года назад

Briar seems like a dream to me! No annoying voice messages, video calls or anything. Just pure text messaging, I love it. 7:27 why was that so funny to me? :D Maybe because of the trollface and because I expected him to stay honest. :P

@Morphic-Realms. 3 года назад

can you do some deep diving on the utopia ecosystem, prometheus and butterfly protocol....... much appreciated

@tonightwerideee 3 года назад

Yessir. Thank you!

@antonystevenson1341 3 года назад

My favs: Telegram for mobile messaging, Softros for local network chats without using the Internet.

@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 3 года назад

You are joking, right?

@fosres 2 года назад

Signal: Still a great balance between privacy and user experience.

@dyxlexorcist Год назад

And, it can be used offline.

@otte385 3 года назад

Yeah my favorite was ANOM, but I can't send messages anymore for some reason. Can anybody help me out?

@qamic5775 3 года назад

this channel is underrated

@farhad3656 2 года назад

9:33 What about “status” (dapp messenger on Ethereum network) - wire and jami?

@torresaaron 3 года назад

What are your thoughts on Dust messenger?

@celiacartell9896 2 года назад

Does anyone know of the best anonymous forums? Not sure if he's done a video on this

@KazHope 2 года назад

Would like to see a video on Threema, Jami, and Twinme

@renatotoma934 Год назад

Can you please make a video about Wispr? I can’t find anything online from a secure source

@keiouji1629 3 года назад

What about qTox. There are also things like scuttlebutt / scuttle over tor. (Manyverse is the phone app for scuttle). Scuttlebutt is also interesting as it can be completely off line

@392_RHINO Год назад

Can I call and message on these apps without any number showing up on my bill?

@manishkharwar8293 Год назад

what camera do you use to film your videos?

@oneheadlight8000 Год назад

Do you use IOS or Android? What do you suggest for privacy? I don't want to lock the phone down completely but would like to encrypt images, messages, emails, etc.

@TILR 3 года назад

Still want a RCS backup option for Signal just like the backup option of SMS/MMS

@divingaquarist 3 года назад

People around me are finally moving towards Signal, and now I have a Pixel 4a 5g with CalyxOS, and Signal drains my battery like crazy. Without it, I can go 3-4 days on 1 charge, with it 2 days, max. Super annoying.

@jackc3205 Год назад

I've got most of my friends on signal now, and more keep popping up as 'now on signal' from time to time. So, switching yet again to another app isn't going to happen unless something major goes wrong with it. And it does have a good balance of usability and privacy.

@ibstayfly Год назад

I watched another video and they said that telegram actually isn't secure and I thought about switching over to there. What about Wire Dust Viber

@industriaaltaria1198 3 года назад

I think the list is missing XMPP Conversations? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. - Better federation than Matrix Element - End-to-end encryption through OMEMO - Doesn't require a number I don't use XMPP, though. I just read about it, so I'd really like to hear your thoughts on it before trying!

@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 3 года назад

How does it have better federation than Element, awh Matrix you mean? Don't know how much I should value this opinion since you can't distinguish Element and Matrix. OMEMO lacks of cross signing, and doesn't have native group support like MEGOLM does.

@industriaaltaria1198 3 года назад

@@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 Oh, you'd be right to doubt my opinion. I don't know the technical parts of encrypted messaging. That's why I'm asking for the Techlore team's thoughts. To my understanding, XMPP is the protocol used in the Conversations (messaging client), while Matrix is the messaging protocol for Element (messaging client). Correct me if I'm wrong. I draw those points mainly from Rob Braxman Tech. He said that the vast majority of users of the matrix messaging platform are in two servers (matrix.org and element.io servers). So, in practice, the platform is centralized as a duopoly, while XMPP Conversations has (maybe?) hundreds of servers. As for OMEMO, I really don't know much about that part. I don't know what cross signing is or what native group support is. I'll try reading about those, but I doubt I'll understand it really

@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 3 года назад

@@industriaaltaria1198 regarding Bradman: I saw his video, he says a lot - and I commented on it - see the comments to the pinned comment

@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 3 года назад

@not hing how about not spamming every comment with nonsense statements?

@michalkowice1989 3 года назад

Threema is my major messenger. It's from Switzerland with Switzerland laws and all servers are in Switzerland. It's fully crypted. Check it i use it for more than 6 years...

@somethingelse4878 2 года назад

Some texts i get from my son are normally readable, some say encrypted He knows nothing about them and have not seen a key or padlock in the chat window Whats going on The first time i saw this was after he sent a pic from a friend that said encrypted so i refused to click itt Is this Google or malware The encrypted txts are random letters and numbers and not readable We use android 11 and Google txt

3 года назад

What is Sealed Sender in Signal ?

@PiezasdeAjedrez 3 года назад

The hated one Ftw

@chandravansh6071 3 года назад

He makes video like anything in this world is entirely against them

@chandravansh6071 3 года назад

He just have the sane feeling that you shouldn't you anything in this world and just stick to the idea that all people and main stream apps are made by terrorists

@Ohmed_88 Год назад

How in the world do u communicate with out internet on brier??

@kcclemo 3 года назад

Any opinions from the Techlore crew on Keybase?

@ajhalili2006 3 года назад

1:49 Also ads that coming to Telegram will be only available to large-traffic channels.

@thatguywiththeak820 3 года назад

Question, since #1 uses peer to peer but the free proton vpn servers dont support peer to peer, could i still use it?

@zer0r00t 3 года назад

Free protonvpn doesn't work with BitTorrent p2p, but other p2p protocols might work. Try and see

@thatguywiththeak820 3 года назад

@@zer0r00t ight that actually makes sense, thanks man🤌🏻

@user-mt3qz8je4g 3 года назад

4:04 Session!

@belletable147 2 года назад

Does Windows know what I'm doing in the Session messaging application?

@fusion9619 2 года назад

So it looks like a choice between Matrix and Briar. Anyone here ever use either?

@joshaprior3699 3 года назад

Where did you get that cap from I need a cap but if its from eff it's even better

@techlore 3 года назад

Donate to them!

@joshaprior3699 3 года назад

@@techlore They only have a Beanie as far as i can see

@FamedKitten9 2 года назад

Can you do a video about or give your feedback on Sekur?

@fn8571 Год назад

I just hate that signal tells all your contacts when you get the app and what contacts you know have the app. Completely goes against privacy.

@aa-xn5hc 3 года назад

I love telegram. Thanks for the cool video

@smk4428 2 года назад

Hey Techlore, which messenger will retrieve emails

@rajsekharsharma8199 3 года назад

No ones talking about xmpp with pgp. I wonder why, cause thats the ultimate privacy method as of now! May be its because its not normal people friendly.

@MrWalker1000 3 года назад

Its not hard to use at all

@mauzekhan9093 3 года назад

BRIAR my favorite

@Adrian-fy1zx 10 месяцев назад

I'm using Signal, Session & Threema

@K0MBIAN 2 года назад

Any less intrusive FB Messenger alternatives out there For Android?

@MrWalker1000 3 года назад

Why don't you make an xmpp room ?

@shab-re5334 3 года назад

conversation for xmpp is really good I was hoping for it to be atleast in the honorable mentions as its really underrated

@bigmeany1184 3 года назад

So it is okay to keep using Signal right? I don’t have to migrate my entire family to another messaging app yet again after WhatsCrap? Lol

@techlore 3 года назад

Nothing so far has impacted privacy/security of users. And there is currently no reason to migrate outside the obvious issues. (Phone number) But things can always change regardless of how recommended a trusted a tool is.

@cyberp0et 3 года назад

I am currently using Wire, also some Telegram. And I am testing Session and Jami. Jami is not on this list. Also Jitsi meet will do for an alternative to Zoom.

@belletable147 2 года назад

Does Windows know what I'm doing in the Session messaging application?

@cyberp0et 2 года назад

@@belletable147 I suppose no. Unless you got some keyloggers.

@belletable147 2 года назад

@@cyberp0et Ok, thanks a lot for the information.

@khalidmansoori838 2 года назад

Briar doesn't have voice or video call options.

@yeahok9165 3 года назад

Matrix has Read Receipts that cannot be disabled. Even what you look at is public because of Read Receipts.

@privatename542 2 года назад

Good catch! Which do you recommend?

@yeahok9165 2 года назад

@@privatename542 maybe some other client instead of element, that lets you opt out of sending read receipts

@leesweets4110 Год назад

What about XMPP clients?

@adminpro875 3 года назад

Honestly briar is overkill for 99.9% of users

@unknownghostshadow666 3 года назад

Yeah but for Hackers and Criminals it can probably be a useful tool for commucation.

@antux5183 3 года назад

@@unknownghostshadow666 activists, dissidents, whistleblower? Not only criminals need privacy... Briar is a great tool that can save (innocent) people' s live

@unknownghostshadow666 3 года назад

@Black Lives Matter Yeah I know. But most people use these sites for criminal activity.

@unknownghostshadow666 3 года назад

@@antux5183 Yeah I know and possibly some* government agencies.

@LTT.Official 3 года назад

@Black Lives Matter all lives matter

@ParkBURST 2 года назад

Wat about Jami ( from the GNU project )

@slowbluesmaster 3 года назад

Threema for me. I don't care if I have to pay the equivalent of a Starbucks coffee to use it or that it has a small user base. Important to me is: no telephone number required for registration.

@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 3 года назад

Matrix offers that as well

@hhhgggds Год назад

You gave all your most important credentials and you say nO pHoNE nUmBer... hahahajaha duuude

@slowbluesmaster Год назад

@@hhhgggds No credentials needed. RTFM To be clear: I didn't buy the from Threema, but in the App Store. Threema knows nothing about me.

@hhhgggds Год назад

@@slowbluesmaster are you totally dumb or what? When you use your card to pay you give them all your information

@user-vy4ry8rb2c 6 месяцев назад

@@hhhgggdsВи праві, дані платіжної картки надаються саме Швейцарській компанії Treema, яка несе відповідальність ща Вашу конфіденційність! Так що в цьому поганого, якщо Ви не злочинець, чи не терорист, чи не шпигун? Я наприклад довіряю уряду Швейцарії та підходом там людей до бізнесу! Але якби я був хакером то мабуть вибрав Briar und SimpleX )

@barbyboi 3 года назад

Lol, I have them all, still watching the vid

@avilengroup7187 Год назад

I need a chat app where not just anyone can send me messages, I had a problem with once where random numbers where sending me random threatening messages on Whatsapp and I kept trying to find a way to only allow my contacts send me messages but I couldn't do that on Whatsapp can anyone recommend a chat app for me?

@techlore Год назад

I would definitely check our communities out so you can talk to others and have a discussion to find the right messaging app for you. We have a forum (recommended) & a Discord server for you to get help from our communities. Otherwise there are many great privacy-focused public Matrix communities! Forum: discuss.techlore.tech/ Discord: discord.techlore.tech/ - S

@roditor6247 3 года назад

Signal is great, the worst con for me is both phone number requirement aaand not storing messages in an password encrypted database and "forcing" us to use something like molly-im (fork of signal with encrypted storage)

@eldrago19 2 года назад

And then Marlinspike's hatred of third party clients and other people using their research. I just wish Wickr would share their source code.

@encantarebelde Год назад

Will molly-im continue to support SMS given signal dropping support?

@learngain2659 Год назад

Wow. Great please make web 3 based completely encrypted app

@bubar1795 Год назад

Is element allowed all over the world

@kayf7073 3 года назад

How about threema?

@RealShadowfiend180x 9 месяцев назад

Session is based in Australia part of the five eyes

@FloridaStateDeputy 2 года назад

Thanks !

@enochrockwell7202 2 года назад

I'd love an actually FOSS version of telegram

@secondid8726 3 года назад

I come to know an app called "wickr". It's open source. And anyone know anything about this app?

@inbox0000 3 года назад

sold out to amazon

@Nur__ 2 года назад

What about wire?

@NADEEMKHAN-sj5hn 3 года назад

How about WIRE Messenger?

@northmanmartin5186 3 года назад

my previous company start using telegram for their company privacy purpose for communicate with the workers. sigh.

@gentledolphin Год назад

How about Jami messenger?

@DiegoLinde Год назад

Twinme app?

@GameandComedy 5 месяцев назад

What about dust?

@Someone-er7dl 3 года назад

What about Jami and Threema? I want to know @techlore review on these apps. I don't care about what people voted for in community poll. And your thoughts on XMPP?

@cxplorerv3 3 года назад

Sucks that my friends are too stupid to use Signal. They are still on Facebook messenger and I am not on facebook anymore. 😒

@BipinBabu2024 2 года назад

Which app is better for maintaining extra marital affair secrecy...?

@vmsmhn434 Год назад

😁😆

@greekindiegamers56 3 года назад

I don’t get it… Why so much hate for Telegram? Did something happen that I’m not aware?

@jamesentenaro6830 3 года назад

Because it doesn't e2e encrypt all chats by default I guess. On a side note, he recommends Protonmail, which was banned in Russia because it was hard to track the users. Something similar happened to Telegram. Russia tried to ban it because the creators of telegram rejected to give the government the personal data of users and access to their messages. Though it is implied that Telegram staff can access the messages except secret chats