Was able to try on the A. Lange & Söhne in a Boutique when it just came out… fell in love… but even though I already own a pricey model (Grand Lange Mondphase, Pt), it seems I will never be on the list. This is immensely frustrating… I wear my Grand Lange at every occasion because I love it. And the Odysseus would finally be a replacement for my daily watch (IWC Ingenieur). I love watches and firmly believe that they should be worn & used, not locked away… But that’s just my 2¢
@@thibaultbossert8863 nothing that special… and the big watch was paid for over the course of several years. But about every 5-10 years I indulge in a really nice watch. My car (diesel station wagon) is 8 years old, by the way & I plan on keeping it for at least 5 more… go figure
@@JB-zu2we you sound like a true, genuine watch enthusiast. it's folks like you the brands should be focusing their attention to. having said that, i truly hope you land the Odysseus one of these days.
@@sidesauce What you say is true. But I still find it annoying that I was offered to “maybe” be put on a waiting list if I purchased a different watch which was available. I do not have the resources to shell out 40.000$ just to “maybe” put on a waiting list…. While the same model is fairly easily available for wealthy collectors who just pop ‘em into the vault for safe keeping. No lie, I was later informed (at a different A. Lange boutique…) that another interested customer was also unable to get an order through because his “history of purchasing” was not extensive enough… we’re talking 4 (!) A. Lange & Söhne watches… Nobody is making any more, or less, money on the sale, since all dealers (in different countries and continents) have all maintained that they ask the official price. But adhering to these sales tactics just spoil everything for “the rest of us”. I don’t know, maybe random allotments would be better?
The Odysseus was poised to blow up the moment it's announced - the 1st sports watch from everyone's favourite brand, plus extremely limited production, and it's looking fine too. It's an open secret that the Ody will go up in status more prestigious than RO and Nautilus, because of scarcity, pricing, function, and craftsmanship. Now how many people can capitalise that? The 0.1 percenters who are loyal clientele of Lange, it's like a reward from the brand, not dissimilar to the MAD 1.
Watching this video while wearing my freshly rebuilt 1969 Seiko Lord Marvel with 36000 bph, 5740C movement. I'm sure no one back in the 70s thought it would hold a special place in someone's collection - yet here I am!
A. Lange & Sohne maybe an excellent watch to invest in, because it appreciates significantly in value, but if I could afford to purchase one I would never see a return on that investment because I would never sell it. To sell something that represents such tremendous artistry and craftsmanship, for a profit, seems to be almost sacrilegious - like renting out the Sistine Chapel for a rave party because it is lucrative.
A watch is not, and never will be, an ‘investment.’ The only people that believe it’s an investment either A. Do not know the definition of investment, or B. Are attempting to make money from people by misleading about investing. Buying a watch hoping it will go up in value is speculation, not investing.
A watch is an investment as far as a handbag is an investment. Not all watches are investments, such as not all handbags are investments. However, there are investment grade handbags such as the Hermes Birkin and Kelly. The same goes to watches, there are also investment grade watches as evidenced by the current market.
Please allow me to play the devil’s advocate here. Please prove that Nike/Apple/Tesla stocks will go up/down. Any and all investments are speculation. Some are merely more educated speculations. If we look at property as an investment, then 2008 was an absolutely horrible time to invest in a “solid & proven” investment. I’m not trying to bash anybody’s opinion, nor diminish the very good point you’re tying to make. I’m only trying to show a different way of reasoning.
It’s all a bunch of B.S.!!! Hyped up absolute nonsense. It’s become a comedy. A bunch of people with mega wealth getting introduced to watches through Instagram and their next “must have” item, paired with flippers jumping on board, more hype from publications, industry hype, and sheep mentality. It’s come to be not fun anymore. I’m just waiting for these people to realize they’re holding hundreds of thousands of dollars of non-precious metal, overhyped steel wristwatches, and realize it’s relative junk compared to what they’re paying. Then the prices will come down to earth again. They will get bored and move on to something else. I have no interest in being screwed over at these prices. The day will come when you can buy a stainless Daytona at retail again. All bubbles burst. I’ve just taken a commitment to not making any more purchases until those days are here again. My collecting is on hiatus and I’m enjoying the collection I’ve built over the 12 years prior to 2018/2019 (beginning of absurdity).
This video is exactly what is wrong with the watch hobby and why a lot of people on regular incomes and who love watches are getting turned off. Each one of these watches will be bought by investors looking to make money and will spend their lives in a safe. What a shame they won’t actually be used as jewellery and as something to tell the time by people who love them for what they are - watches. Disappointed in Watchfinder making this video.
I was going to play devil’s advocate based on the assumption that much of the big money moving into watches now is NOT from an audience that appreciates Watchfinder videos, and that from a RU-vid channel perspective this is going to pull views, but… I do feel sad that so much focus is on resale value rather than enjoyment of craftsmanship and expression of one’s style. I can only hope that in some form as the popularity of watches grow, it brings to the fold future generations who appreciate them for what they are and not some future monetary sum.
Art work has always had a contingent of individuals who don't really appreciate the aesthetics of the art work, but just seek to profit from it. So it comes as no surprise that in the world of watches, where artistic mastery meets utility, a group will emerge who don't appreciate the beauty of watches and sees it as just something with a quick return on investment. The only silver lining to this is that incentivizes more newly emerging watchmakers to up their game, and as long as the true watch enthusiast gets in early on the nascent watch maker's products, there will always be plenty of interesting watches for someone with limited financial means.
They're a dealer, so what do we expect really Gavin? What's been revving up this tulip mania asset bubble has been the dealers and flippers. There is no actual shortage of steel Rolex, you can get one tomorrow, you'll just have to pay massively inflated prices for one. Plus this bubble has only been in play for about four years and really accelerated in the last two. So far it's been a letter perfect definition of an asset bubble, all that's left is the reset back to normal as dealers/flippers run for fear of losing their over extended shirt. It already happened with the vintage end of things. In around say 2015 all the pundits and dealers were reckoning "vintage Watch X will hit five figures in a year". Only they didn't for the most part. That market is stagnant. Sure, go onto any of the well known sites and look at the vintage prices. Take a screenshot. Wait six months, go back again. Take another screenshot. 90% of the same watches will be there unsold. Hodinkee are one of the few with the heft and name to sell the overpriced stuff to New York hipsters with manbags, but even there you can see discontent in their comment sections growing and the number of comments dropping. Ebay is another judge. Dealer prices at say 10,000 BIN, those rarer these days actual auction prices? 7000, even 5000, or less.
steel code 11.59 will certainly solve a lot of AP's problems. People just don't get why spend nearly 2x as much as a Royal Oak, for something as generic looking as a 11.59. If they REALLY wanted to get people to start buying watches outside of the royal oak line, they really should have made more other steel watches.
@@PSM5550 i own one and i like it. The reason is i find dress watches generally very reserved. The code is a fun take on a dress watch kinda like the aquanaut from patek.
@@shadimagdy8196 there are def ppl that are buying them bc they like them. I was offered a chronograph model but just couldn’t justify the price for a piece I didn’t really love. Agree it’s a great dress watch but for that price I need more versatility.
@@PSM5550 the new ceramic / rose gold chrono is super cool IMO. Can be dressed up and also has a sporty feel to it. I think in this crazy market the price is justifiable as it is cheaper than a steel daytona panda in the grey market. A flyback chrono from AP in rose gold is cheaper than a rolex daytona!!!!!
The Odysseus already blew up really hard. I have never seen one live and I see some nice watches in my professional environment, and even my AD, having Lange, say they never had one in store. So it is rare as hell aswell.
They deliver about 70 pieces per year. And they removed the access to the spring bars from the second production year on. Which means you cannot change to a strap anymore. So the first year production is pretty special and still underrated
to buy into the holy trinity at that price is something.. I for one, would hold out and save / wait for the 4500V (my choice black dial) .. and get the In-house movement.
Whoa! A real revolutionary! But don’t look to Seiko. Look to Apple. Smart watches are your best hope for a revolution. Query: will the revolution be televised?!?!?
Great Video, as usual. My favorite is the VC 56, allthough there is waiting time esp. for the blue. H. Moser & Cie is also beautifull and the only insider tip + best value for money.
These are probably all agreeable (there's only one Odysseus on a major Watchfinder competitor, and for north of 100 large), though I ended up buying the Horage tourbillons featured on Watchfinder not long ago for this reason just because of how limited a run they were. I'd be interested in a video around speculative swiss watch investments, where it's unlikely they'll actually appreciate e.g because they're just too unknown, but here's why some brands might actually spike if the stars align for them. Something like that.
I have a feeling next up is the Lange 1 moonphase 192.029. Probably the most beautiful moonphase watch there is. With the white gold case & black dial - can easily be a sport casual
I buy watches because I like them. I would not include the Daytona in the same sentence as these. Most people thought the Daytona(and most Rolexes) were UGLY when they first were introduced...and I still believe that now. My favorite is the A.Lange.
Lucky to have an H Moser Streamliner and can that in comparison to other sport orientated time pieces, it is so well rounded but also so much more fun. Watches are to be enjoyed - if you’re and make a penny or too, so be it - but enjoy the hunt, purchase -and wearing it daily
I see the rare and elusive Lange selling for double or triple today. If you could find some wealthy collector willing to part with theirs. I'm sure it's one per customer per lifetime. Moser is very underrated. Zenith and JLC likely make 10% of Rolex's million watches per year. The Chronomaster sport looks far more interesting than a Daytona. JLC's Polaris same deal. These brands deserve so much more love. The V.C. is more dressy than sporty.
What music is on this video. Not sure why but I love the music and voice is nice and soothing. This is probably my favorite watch channel especially with Grand Seiko reviews. Great line up of watches in this video and I hope I can afford one of them.
Happy this wasn't a pump and dump video like those done by others. "Here's a load of mid to expensive watches we've just bought 100 of each and are about to list on chrono for 4 times retail..."
I can’t watch these videos anymore without thinking of Oisin’s excellent recent parody. He has stained beautifully the Watchfinder way, as he has the palm frond Datejust. And all palm trees. 🌴
Most new watches don't represent an immediate investment. There are of course exceptions, but given that in order to acquire these select pieces, you have to sit on a waiting list for sometimes years, it can hardly be referred to as flipping. Therefore, to realise any serious money, as with many investments, you have to be prepared to go long.
For the VC, I think the Quai de l'Ile is a better call and it is Geneva seal. Used prices are slightly above the 56 for the steel model. Just no one knows how to pronounce it haha
I like all these watches. The Patek is ridiculously beautiful in the real world. Tom, the 7234 is wonderfully proportioned at 37.5 mm. Unsolicited advice Don’t buy a watch you won’t enjoy (lots of ways to enjoy watches). Don’t buy a watch you can’t afford (priority on life’s fundamentals). A fair valuation of a watch collection should include psychic capital.
The sad truth is all this video does is stoke the imagination of those who purchase watches not as beloved timepieces, but on spec; upon which, once acquired, they are stashed away, never to be worn lest an errant scratch instantly devalue them. While those of us who might scrimp and save in the hopes of one day owning such a beautiful piece despair knowing that so long as they are hoarded by speculators, we must either hope for a total meltdown of the luxury watch market or continue to scrimp and save for another, oh say, 122 years, before we might actually realize the dream of strapping one on to our collective wrist.
For many people spending over 10k for a luxury watch is a no go-unless it holds value or appreciates. Back in the day when your watch lost 30% after leaving the AD you were either rich or a true watch lover. Now any average joe can scrape up money or credit to buy a hyped watch and flip for a big profit. Expect prices to keep rising as more people get into the watch market.
We got to see ONE SINGLE SECOND of the whole Lange watch with a frontal shot, and then tons of macro details shots. Let us see the whole watch! I like macros but they can't be the main course!
I think you forgot to mention Czapek @watchfinder - Otherwise I’d agree with you with these features pieces . H Moser is doing some fantastic pieces currently. I love the Patek pilots watch and I do feel when AP release the 2nd gen 11:59 will be a great piece
The secondary market has ruined timepieces. This used to be a love for me and now it’s destroyed. If you resell watches and try to upsell at every turn, I hope you’re happy. You’ve admitted to the world you have no value and are a cheat. I hope at least you’re pleased with yourself. Stay out of Manhattan. Thanks
Ah, what a choice of riches (literally!). My favorites: The Vacheron Constantin FiftySix is probably my favorite! Beautiful dial & finishing. Second would be the Audemars Piguet. I am not a fan of the Royal Oak, but this is one I'd definitely consider. Third is the A. Lange Odysseus. I'm a fan of A. Lange and this is a beauty, IF I were a regular customer I'd be trying to get my hands one one. Fourth: The H. Moser Pioneer Centre Seconds. The watches are spectacular, the dial color incredible, and the finishing, to me, might just beat out all the others; when viewed under under a macro lens, it lacks very minor flaws I saw on some of the others (talking REALLY minor). Probably one of the best deals on this list. My least favorite was the Patek. The dial design just left me uninspired, and feeling I could have found a better dial design on a far less expensive watch. Again, just my opinion on these and whichever you like is the right one for you.
Funny thing is when trying to sell one of these investment watches to WF they offer 65% of what they sell them for so better have gone up big time for it to be an investment
I don't think any of the 5 will be an investment watch. I think that in order to qualify a watch should be in steel, from a brand with reputation, produced in small numbers, preferably with integrated bracelet, and of course it should look cool and different. The Lange has potential, but honestly I think it looks ugly...
This video was ,sadly, predictable. I do respect and appreciate the effort and research it takes to produce a quality video. In my opinion the content was lacking, maybe flawed! These watches are admittedly ( by you) not attainable for most collectors, either for cost or lack of connection. Also the brands are the “chosen ones”, for good reason, and have manipulated the market (not a criticism). I would think that most “collectors “ already know the potential of these watches, either by brand, model, availability or cost (vs retail). It would be nice to see a video about watches that are attainable and hold all or most of their value. Another point, I am not sure the watch market can sustain this up-word pace! Also, there are watches that are comparable quality (except maybe A. Lang) that are available and affordable.
This is most certainly correct. But diamonds are certainly more portable, more valuable and easier to authenticate. That’s why the notion of watches as storage of value is kinda silly.
Traditionally Moser makes balance springs for other brands because it is the most difficult part of a watch to make. So the next generation of Moser thought why if we can make a balance spring lets make our own watches.
I actually like the AP Code 1159. I've never understood the hate for it and think AP should release a more affordable version but let's face it, I likely won't be able to buy that either. Cool piece though!
