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I remember when I was learning to drive my instructor told me that while it's legal, it's best not to change lanes on a roundabout as it can be confusing for other drivers
true , it is uncommon and in alot of cases impractical to change lane sin a roundabout , but for this video its more address the issue of if its legal , not often you will need to do it (legally anyway )
that is true - but the traffic entering has to give way cause im in the roundabout anyway - from a 2 lane roundabout into a one lane exit that is like a dogs leg
the instance where you would have to indicate changing lanes is where two lanes enter into a round about from one direction but is single lane from the other. many driver believe they can enter from the inside lane to the outside without indicating.
@@ScottsCarcameras I am a little worried about going through a petrol station to cut traffic because this video was about like 3 years old. Is it still legal to drive through a petrol station without stopping for anything?
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In VIC, it's the law to indicate right when entering a roundabout, and indicate left when leaving, but no one does it like that. They simply indicate left or right if that's where they're going, or they don't indicate if they're going straight. It's not legal to do it that way, but it's what everyone's used to, and it would be unsafe to do it differently. Driving instructors and Vicroads license testers even expect you to do it the "wrong" way.
Hi Thanks for your comment , to correct ti No that's not how the laws work in VIC , the rules for roundabouts are the same in all of Australia and teh same as in this video , you do not indicate right if going straight , if going straight you don't indicate ( left on exit is practical ) and ONLY indicate right if turning right , the idea to indicate if going straight is a myth and teh reason i made videos like this , i always ask people who comment here , where did you get this misinformation from ? :)
That's terrible that an instructor is giving out this misinformation , ive done the same training course and if they telling riders that is should be reported, always do your own research :) take care
I disagree with how you've presented point 5, You approached in the left lane, designated by road markings to proceed straight ahead in that lane, a lane separated by a solid white line from the right lane. Claiming you can then change lane in the intersection is 'almost' the same as being in a right turn only lane at traffic lights, then proceeding straight because 'I can change lane in the intersection' All comparisons break down at some point, what i'm saying is you're really pushing a grey area. Watching many youtube crash videos suggest a bulk of incidents involve cars changing lanes during intersections. Just because there is no law specifically against being stupid, doesn't mean you should internationally act that way.
Hello , a lot to explain and correct you on here so will go in point form 1- no sure what you disagree with how pretested, ? its correct so No 2- Not claiming you can change lanes YOU CAN change lanes that the law and the point of number 5 and the video 3-the roundabout in 5 as per all roundabouts have a solid /unbroken line on approach as you can change lanes at that point for safety , but inside the roundabout you can change lanes , the lines are not unbroken , they are longer then on a standard lane marking as they are there to show the lanes designation on the bends to help cars stay in the lanes when 2 are next to each other but are broken lines , in the event you were not allowed to change lanes the lines would unbroken all the way through the roundabout and/or would; be sign posted or have lane markings etc . see the link to the official gov rules on roundabouts watch video at 1:16 covers this :)roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/roadrules.html 4- Again no "claiming " you can change lanes in an intersection , re being in a right turn lane and going stight IS NOT almost the same , At all there is a specif rule/law for that stating you cant doing it ! see links . regulation 88 to 92 www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s92.html 5 _ No no break down ! 6 - NO , no grey area is all in black an whore the laws clearly say what you can and cant do , and all points show in the video are legal, correct and ok , 7 , last point wrong and mute , the law is there to say what you can do and how you should driver , just because you dont understand or like or were taught wrong etc doesn't others should driver correctly , if you still dont understand any law or want more information let me know Good day :)
Number #2 - Stopping on a Yellow. Now, it states you must stop "if it's safe to do so". Obviously there's variables that come into play as to whether a driver or vehicle can safely stop, but in the event that a police pulls you over, who determines whether it was safe or not? It's the drivers responsibility / decision, yes ?
yes but if you are seen by police they deem you could have stopped safety then you get a ticket if you dispute it then you go to court and the judge reviews the video and makes the decision :)
At 4.49 I assume the dash cam was on a bus . Just because it is legal does not make it sensible logical or practical. What speed can you drive thru a servo ??Having your indicators on when another car is next to you is a recipe for a side swipe ..
Hi re bus not that bus lane timed , speed varies 10-15 kmh , if if was not logical or practical it would be illegal , having your indicators on does make your car move :)
@@ScottsCarcamerasThat timed Bus line also creates problems how many vehicles have a working ACCURATE CLOCK ??? There are a lot of rules that are not Logical or Practical that is why a lot of people end up winning cases in court and having court having rules changed /amended . My point about indicators is that that they are not visible to either driver when both vehicles are side by side and virtually impossible to verify .Common sense and just vehicle awareness on the roads has gone years ago .. That is why the sale of dash cams sales are increasing .from what I see all 3 rear view mirrors; head turning and more attentive driving has long long gone .
Hi not sure what your indicator point is regardless of the rules outlined in the video if a car is next to you you must give way to them if you want to change lanes indicators dont change that
Scotts Car Cameras To add to pedestrian lights: What about if you're waiting to turn left (for e.g.), the light (but not arrow) is green and someone is starting to cross on the other side, you know you have plenty of time to scoot through before they get to your side of the road (and cars behind you tooting), do you HAVE to wait until they've finished crossing? This happens all the time at an intersection in Coffs Harbour, Pacific Highway and West High Street. Heaps of oldies and disabled people around who cross the 6 lanes very slowly...
short answer is you can go / dont have to wait until they are completely crossed , you must give way to them and be safe , would need to get some examples/link for it , will try when i get time :)
Scotts Car Cameras Awesome, cheers. Most of the time I would go when it's safe, unless there's a cop around in case I'd been wrong. Ive seen other cars do both, so figured it's probably a common misunderstanding.
Hi mate re the question on pedestrians crossing here are some link to page son the subject , should help , you will not all it shows you must give way but not wait for them to be complete crossed etc , any other question let me know ols2.rta.nsw.gov.au/ebus/docs/rescat/pdf/7/898/45094455pedcrosaprl2008.pdf www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/traffic-lights.html www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s81.html
Peter Brock, the famous Australian racing driver once said, people aren't taught to drive, they are taught to pass their test. I'm not a racing driver, but I fully agree.
Going through a service station to bypass traffic lights might be legal, but it’s a bit of a dick move. Usually because the people who do it drive flat out through the service station forecourt so they can beat everyone else. I’d rather we had more intersections in this country where you can turn left in red. They’re becoming more rare every year
Known as doing a 'rat run' for a reason. Left turn on red after stopping and yielding is a great thing ! Agree there should be more of this, if done right it saves a lot of hold ups, improves traffic flow, but if done like the yanks often do it, well . . . it's then a sh!tfest of accidents.
@ 2:17, it's okay to turn left into either lane yes, but not okay to drive down the middle using both lanes for 100m till you decide which lane you want.
Hi Andrew re he rules , no , re the two system there would be no traffic coming from the right as they have to stop and give way to traffic turn left, and No the rule for turning into any lane is the same in all states sin Australia , a urban myth or Chinese wispier thing that some people thing you have to go the inner ?left lane :)
@@ScottsCarcameras there is a difference which may only apply in Victoria. If the road is marked with broken lines that specify the turn (hard to explain) then you must stay in that lane during the turn. (rules 29 and 33)
as a motorcycle instructor once told me: it doesn’t matter who’s in the right if you’re dead. If you survive long enough following the “road rules” to notice which ones most often cause near misses, just stop doing them (and start watching out for when other drivers do them and avoid them too)
It's been in folklore for the better part of a century. The saying, passed down to me from my father, is: "He was right, dead right, as he sped along, but he's just as dead as if he were wrong."
The changing lanes while turning scenario is one manoeuvre that we were told not to do by driving instructors on an advanced driving course. I guess what's legal, and what's best practice are sometimes two different things.
@@bencodykirk I've done it but only because the lights only allwoed three cars through at a time and I'd been in the line for four changes of lights. While I would have got through on the fifth i wanted the person behind me turning right to be able to make it. They have thankfully adjusted the light sequence now.
@@StraightNoChaser86 Unfortunately in Poland it tents to be normal... A lot of people find themselves in the wrong lane on the roundabouts and the create traffic jams because they wait for people from other lane to let him through
if you're going straight ahead anyway, might as well just change lanes when you have exited the roundabout. Same with traffic light intersections. Rules are one thing, common sense another.
first, thank you for #4. I always turned into the lane I needed to be in when I need to turn next but my Australian wife told me I need to turn into the inner lane. I'm not from Australia so I did it like I learned it where I am from. second, even if it might not be a traffic violation to go across a petrol station I would consider it bad manners. A petrol station is private property after all and the owner or proprietor might not be too happy with drivers using the petrol station as a short cut.
Yes, I agree. There's legality and there's manners / not being a douche. There are a lot of things that are legal that really shouldn't be done in a civilised society. Sure, you can't get arrested or fined for them but it doesn't mean it's good practice.
A servo owner here in QLD put a stop to it. It was right near a primary school, and the kids often stopped there for drinks/snacks. New chain across the "exit" people used to use. It had a couple nice big "no exit" signs attached. The first time a local ran into it, he had them charged with damaging his property and trespass, since they had no reason to be on his premises. The kids felt a bit safer as well.
yes , the point in the video is to explain to those who dont know that you are legally required to stop for a yellow , BUT avoiding a crash is always an exception to rules , its never a good idea to slam your brakes on to stop for a yellow , its always only if you can stop safely , but to those who see the yellow and hit the accelerator to get through before the light goes red , thats a no and the same fine a running the red
dmyl004 no, 70k zone, about 75m out from lights, L plater over compensated.. EDIT: to be clear, there was ample time to stop normally, it wasn't like there was 20m between the lights and him/her, but still scared the shit out of me ... 3 second rule saved by car
@@-Yogo depends on what the speed you are at. Fines are not only if you don't stop on a hard stop but the yellow light fines are if you had plenty of time to stop but chose to hit the accelerator instead
Common road habits in Australia: 1: Sitting in the right hand lane on a freeway at 110 kph despite there being no traffic in the left lane. 2: Merging immediately from a side road into the right hand lane on a freeway and only doing 100kph for the next 4 KM before looking in mirror at queue behind you. 3: Pulling your truck into the right hand lane and doing 80KPH uphill overtaking another truck doing 79.8KPH and gradually slowing to 60kph near the crest of the hill, when you pull in behind the truck you failed to overtake. 4: Mirrors what are they for? Identifying the driver you slowly pulled out in front of and giving him the finger. 5: Sitting in the right hand lane at Canberra because you need to turn right somewhere in Sydney and you want to be ready for it.
Road rules are great for everyone to have a common understanding - like the speed limits on the open road, but the *real* requirement is for drivers to be well trained & tested, cars to be well maintained - and to *drive for the circumstances/situation*. - a problem for a significant percentage of *licenced* drivers!
I'm from the States and I'm scare to death to drive in Sydney, the roads are narrower, filled with potholes, missing signs and crooked asphalts. And drivers are very aggresive, specially the cab drivers.
I maintain double lane roundabouts are dangerous. Because if turning right you must cross the outside ring to exit. I still despise them. Plus most are too small to change lanes on.
Do the same for Western Australia jeez I live here from UK originally theses people don't know how to use roundabouts properly or merge properly onto a motorway etc
Are you trying to cause accidents? Seriously, that very first example violates the roundabout rules big time. In the example given, the camera car must stay in the left lane until they have left the roundabout. Part 9, Rules 109-119. It’s the same rules in the same section, under the same title in most states of Australia. Because the video started so badly, I’m climbing back out of the rabbit hole.
Hi thats a Negative did you actually read part 9 109-119 ? as part 117 covers this ? see link you can change lanes in a roundabout as per the example in video you do NOT have to stay in the left lane , thats is point of the video to show people like yourself who have misunderstood the rules what the correct rules ar eteh video is just a mirror of the rules and is correct and accurate , rewatch and see the rest of the video im sure you will learn alot :)classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s117.html roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/downloads/top-10-misunderstood-road-rules.pdf
Why do so many drivers fail to change the blinker from right to left when leaving the roundabout. Pedestrians hate trying to cross at roundabouts because they can’t tell what the traffic is doing
its hard to do with certain cars i.e. 2005 - 2015 BMWs or Teslas because they have a stupid stalk behaviour which makes it hard to engage th blinker of the opposide side.
@@kingprone7846 both of which are likely automatics? Somehow I manage just fine changing gear with left hand, clutch with left foot, alternate brake and throttle with right foot, steer and indicate out of roundabout with right hand...
Yes and thats the problem , so many people think thats how its works and create accident and road rage , example you turn right into a 3 lane road and want to then turn left , so you go into the far right lane and the then indicate to go to change lanes twice , meanwhile the car behind goes straight into the far left lane and now your about to crash into them as there besides you , another issue is when driver think traffic in both directions you can turn left and and right at the same time ( as they think everyone must same in the elf tor right lane) and those turning right dont give way and a crash or near miss causes aggression happens , thats why all drivers need to know the correct road rules , take care :)
Yep, that's how it is here in Canada, too. Whether you are turning right or left you turn into the nearest lane and then merge over. That way two cars can turn onto the same street at the same time. You can also get a ticket for an improper turn if you turn into the far lane.
If you are right and this is allowed then it shouldn't be! This is a really stupid rule and is as illogical as it is dangerous. Turning left you should turn into the left most lane and if turning right, into the right most lane. It's the drivers that cross lanes often indicating one direction while changing lanes in the other direction that make it dangerous! It hinders traffic flow by preventing two drivers turning left and right at the same time. It's dangerous because you can have the driver behind you change lanes to the left while turning right and passing you on the left! If you look at the road from above you will see that turning left does feed into the left-hand lane and the same for turning right. You need to change your line mid corner to go into the outer lane. As for changing lanes in a roundabout... Geez, a good percentage of drivers don't know how to indicate correctly let alone change lanes safely as well. Shouldn't be allowed and the roads should be designed to not allow it. I'll repeat what a few other people have commented. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you should ever do it!
You guys miss the point. If it's one lane turning into multiple lanes then they can pick any lane. If it's two or more lanes turning into multiple lanes then there are almost always dotted lines marking the lanes you can turn into. It's so simple if people actually pay attention to the markings and use common sense.
Andrew Holmes It's actually quite straightforward in Australia but some people just don't seem to graspnthe concept. Just follow the lane markings and there should be no problems. Also it's so hard to describe all this without showing it, which causes more confusion.
Seriously? There are 6 states and 2 territories in Australia all with different road rules. I suggest you change the title to "5 Misunderstood Road Rules in NSW".
Yes , so fyi the road rules for all of Australia as mostly the same in all states only a few road rules have so variation and change usually just in one state so the title and rules are valid and to show the rules in this video are all the same in all states , the only exception is the rule for changing lanes in an intersection its not legal in only WA unless there is an obstruction . everything else is the correct rule for all states :)
Here's a suggestion for another video. Normal residential single-lane streets that intersect with a main road. When exiting the residential street you could go left or right. Turning left means waiting for traffic from a single direction, while turning right means having to wait for both lanes. Thus turning right normally takes longer. Although there are no lines painted on the road, often roads have enough space for other cars to turn left, instead of waiting for the car in front to eventually turn right. My ex was in this common situation. A large truck was waiting to turn right into the main road. She carefully pulled up on the left and was waiting to go, when suddenly the truck driver decided he'd had enough of waiting, and decided to turn left, crunching her car in the process, since he didn't see it down there. The insurance company found her at fault because she should have waited for the truck to turn, and there were no lines on the road to legally create the space for her to turn from. I don't think anyone would wait for right-turning cars, and if there were space they'd just go for it and turn left.
hi I have done a video on a similar set up but it’s when there are two lanes on the road with no arrows not when it’s a single lane obviously when it is a single lane as you stated if there’s enough room you need to if you’re turning left or right you need to go as far to the left or right of robe as possible to allow others to turn at the same time without getting more details of your exes accident I can only assume that the truck driver probably said that he was indicating left the whole time and taking up it was on the right side of the road because he needed the space and given the large trucks have the do not overtake turning vehicle sign they would’ve found her at fault that if she had a dash camera to show he was Indicating right to start with the change he would’ve been found a fault as no camera it’s her word against his
At approx 2mins 19seconds into this when the two cars turned left into the Airport/ Eastern suburbs road and could go into either lane, the black SUV in front straddled both lanes after turning for a distance which is actually a fine and loss of points, so hardly "right" oh his part.
Hello Tom FYi NO the law is the same for VIC as NSW ands other states YES you can change lanes in a roundabout and intersection , not dangerous done million times a day as it is not illegal :) watch video in link , your welcome :) www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts
This just doesn’t make sense to me and I’m from Australia..... People!!!! Don’t change lanes in an intersection....u can just before one... People!!! Don’t change lanes in a roundabout...unless there is an abstraction....then safely avoid it..... By stopping,check blind spot move around toward the left....as to not congest traffic further in that inside lane.... SIMPLE.
As I can it now, someone is turning right at a roundabout and you are in the left lane (Straight through and right arrow) and you in the roundabout decided to change lanes, because you needed to go back to where you came from.
Wouldn’t the requirement to drive to the left mean that you would be making these manouvers in the left lane as much as is practicable? In Victoria there is a requirement to “drive in a manner to avoid a collision” which is as clear as mud that would mean changing lanes in a roundabout would land you in hot water. Also, both of my instructors and the Victorian L plate book stated that you must complete the manouver in the same lane as you started. I don’t have a licence and declined to renew my learners in 94 as driving was just not my thing. Not easy living without a car but can be done
Hi , you comment is a little unclear and incorrect in parts i will do my best to guess what you mean and explain , the first part re drive in left lane not sure if you are referring to using roundabout or intersection , but "drive to the left " doesn't mean anything with lanes or turning if you could elaborate i can explain more . re lane change in roundabout NO you can change lanes in a roundabout " drive in a manner to avoid collision" is a given but as long as you obey all other rules you can change lanes no issue. and re the driving instructors or book you may have misunderstood or the may have given incorrect info , drivers handbook for VIC s doesn't say that , but if you did your tests before 94 they may have amended it in VIC to be inline with national rules . if you need any more info let me know :)
Scott, what I would really like to see you do is the full roundabout set of rules especially right of way requirements. I watch too many examples of motorists blowing up about heavy vehicles already in the roundabout. I am a former NSW driver examiner and would love to see people be made aware of these rules.
Hi i actual here done a full one and did roundabout rules in the vol 2 and 3 see links :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MGQLghn5FlY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wMoSLKzsr-g.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s_jBUuvzyjI.html
I am a driving instructor. Thanks for the video. But it is illegal to pass the petrol station to avoid the red light or avoid traffic because you are illegally to use the foot path. You'll be fined and loss points in NSW, Victoria and west Australia., so Don't do that.
Hi well I hope your nit charging people money :( lol No that’s incorrect , hard to understand your broken English not there is no such as “ you are illegally to use foot path “ not sure what you meant to say , but you obviously drive over the footpath to enter and exit a petrol station to stop and get fuel , so not different here and this is no fine or points for it ! please re read the rules you instruct any one else :)
Thanks for your quick response. According to Australia Road Rule 288 Driving on a path. A driver must not drive on a path unless certain conditions. I don’t think passing the petrol statioin ( in NSW) to avoid traffic light or traffic jam is legal. Also, when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal and will be fined. I am not going to challenge you, but just try to find out the fact.
Hi No i have covered this already in other comments an video's rule 228 means you cant use a footpath as lane tor drive down the road , you can obviously drive over a path to enter a driveway to your home or car park or business . this is obviously done a million time a day by drivers as that how it is meant to be done ! that's why if you actually read and under the rule is states you can driver over a path " b) driving on the path to enter or leave, by the shortest practicable route, a road-related area or adjacent land" which is what the law defines a petrol station , read related area , you this no law against driving into a petrol stain for obviously reasons , so the law doesn't care why you went in there if you stop for petrol or not , if you drove in there can found its closed and keep driving you not breaking the law , so No its not illegal's to drive through any road related area , if there a a MacDonald's or shopping center park and drive through it exit same thing no law broken and no fine , there is no such thing as :when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal " if you know rule 228 you know the legislation that the law and its shows no it legal and no fine ! there is no challenge as im not making option i just showing the correct facts . :)
I’m very concerned that someone who says their a driving instructor doesn’t know this rule. Correctly , if you don’t know the rules and your teaching others then this is the problem a why bad drivers exist
Hi , driving in a bus lane is illegal if not turning etc , but here there are different types of bus lanes , and in this case that is a timed bus lane , so it's a bus lane. From 3-7pm for buses to use in peak hour but the rest of the day it's a normal lane for all to use . :)
Gaming Ninja51 Bus lane or bike lane, you can drive in it for a short distance if you are turning. Allows you to get out of the stream traffic and slow down without holding up others. Similar in Victoria and South Australia.
OMG, I did wrong most of time about the Amber color traffic light!!!!!!!! By theway, I am a from a town in NZ that doesn't have any traffic light!!!!! Only roundabout!!! LOL.
I thought Australian road rules were; Biggest car has right of way on a roundabout. The thing that bugs me though is the people that are going straight through a roundabout but indicate left, right, left. And leave everyone else wondering where they are going.
Note rule 57(1)(c) which says if you can't stop before the line but cna stop before entering the intersectiomn then you need to stop before the intersection. People often think the first solid line is the only point to stop.
Agree. It seems super risky, and as it is private property you are entering I think the law should require drivers to stay on the roadway and obey the signals. Likewise there are private dwellings on corners with driveways providing through access. Hard to believe the law is ok with you cutting through the property to avoid a red light!
Hi FYI no all is correct these are not opinions just copy paste of fact/law there is not such thing as "not allowed to as doing this will increase the probability of hitting a pedestrian" there is no law against driving in a road related area :)
Hi FYI its no classed a s private property is public access and open to public and the road laws sapply is sped dlimit s, stop signs , this is classed a sroad relate darea dn doesn't matter if its petrol station , car park etc all the same, and same if you take the red light was an dhave a stop sign intersection or roundabout same situation same laws :)
5, 3, and 1 I had no clue were legal. Although, changing lanes on a roundabout should be illegal because indicating can confuse other drivers as there are two options for intentions, as well as spacial awareness being compomised due to different rear mirror viewing angles and cars frequently entering and exiting. Changing lanes in an intersection should mostly be fine, although they are more dangerous areas where the driver should be paying full attention to cars that might enter unexpectedly. And increased traffic through a service station that isn't intended to be used as a thoroughfare would heighten the risk of accidents.
In this day and age, an Indian or a Chinese driver simply doesn't know the rules existed or just does not give a s**t mate. I'm a delivery driver and I know I've seen so many of them breaking the law.
It is a dangerous practice short cutting through service stations. It shows idisrespect to pedestrians and impatience. Nothing is so important that you need to save 2 seconds and risk a life.
@@ScottsCarcameras then the point is, if it's 'legal' then there will be plenty of self-centred arseholes that will do it .. just because they can .. and it's their 'right'!!😠
Is this all states and territories inclusive? No wonder there are so many accidents. I know someone who failed their diving test for switching lanes through an intersection. So confused.
There are a small amount of variations or differences in states with road rules 99% are the same in relation to this video the only rule that's different in another state sis the change lanes in an intersection which is not allowed in WA only
Glad you put out this video, cos I had been thinking of doing it..... we need this to go viral, but then again, drivers these days just don't care about the rules even if they take the time to learn them.With your incorrect example of lane changing within a round about, the car not only changes lane without indicating, however also crosses an unbroken line. road markings within roundabouts must also be obeyed.
Hi mate , thanks for watching the video m FYI the roundabout fail you mentioned , actually they were not unbroken lines , most rouandbouts have longer broken lane lines on the bend especially to help guide the traffic , you will note the lines are not continuous / unbroken for the whole length of the roundabout and even in the correct example and diagrams show similar lines , if a roundabout does have a continuous line will be for the whole way and usually done if there are two lines/ lanes of traffic but are going in different directions eg left lane only turn left , and usually will have painted arrows on the road , does that make sense ? Have a good one
This was filmed in NSW. This not correct for drivers in NSW. You must turn from the left most lane into the left most lane 27 Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road) (1) A driver turning left at an intersection from a road (except a multi-lane road) must approach and enter the intersection from as near as practicable to the far left side of the road. Maximum penalty-20 penalty units. (1A) Subrule (1) also applies to a rider of a bicycle who approaches and enters an intersection from a bicycle storage area. Note- Bicycle storage area is defined in the Dictionary. (1B) Despite subrule (1), if there is space in a bicycle storage area for 2 riders of bicycles to be next to each other, the rider on the right may approach and enter the intersection as near as practicable to the right side of the other rider, but only if that other rider approaches and enters the intersection in accordance with this rule. (2) In this rule- road does not include a road related area. Note 1- Intersection and multi-lane road are defined in the Dictionary. Note 2- Road related area includes any shoulder of a road-see rule 13. Example- Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road) and the same for the right turn Got to NSW Legislation site and read it for yourself.
HI Green FYI no its all correct, you have confused it , so the quote you pasted has nothing to do with this its is only to do with where you can START a turn , its for when there is only 1 turing lane and 1 lane to turn into and its states if you read it you must stay the left SIDE of the road NOT anything to do with lanes or lane choice that's different rule , re read you quote the see link to reference page scroll down t "turning " section you will the rule s, details and images showing the rule and that as in the video when its a single turing lane you can turn into any lane left , middle , right etc and fyi these these rule are the same and correct for all of Australia , any questions let me know :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
That first 1 is a bit weird cause the first car changed lanes halfway through the roundabout he should’ve stayed in the lane he was in but he’s correct.
You can't indicate for a turn and a lane change at the same time. That said, my driving instructor (Victoria, 38 years ago) was quite voiciferous about it being illegal to change lanes through a turn at an intersection. It's interesting to see the opinion that it's not illegal in NSW provided you're entering via single lane access. I'll have to double check here in Victoria. It's one of those unspoken things like cutting through a servo to evade traffic lights which I used to do a lot when driving small, manoeuvrable vehicles.
Hi Mark a few things to unpack here you can indicate to change lanes while making a turn.Yeah you’re driving instructor was probably not up-to-date back then it’s been legal to change lanes in an intersection in Victoria and all states in Australia except W.A. for over 60 years But this is changing lanes while going through intersection is not to be confused with turning at intersection So were you reference single lane Access to clarified this if you’re turning right or left from a single turning lane into a multiple lane road you can go into any lane you wish you’re not making a lane change you’re simply turning into a chosen lane If there are example 2 lanes turning right into a two lane road then it will designate which lane you have to turn into. Your new must follow that however unless there are unbroken lines or signs or something telling you you cannot you would be legally allowed to change lanes while making that turn for example you could be in the far right lane and while making the change the outer lane this would require bay all of the road rules i.e. if there are cars next to you you would have to give Wayne wouldn’t be able to make the lane
At 1:34, is that the only legal combination possible (in NSW)? Can the green car turn right into any of the 3 lanes (if the traffic allows)? Similarly, can the middle blue car turn right into any of the 3 lanes?
Hey re-134 guess there are many possible combinations that can be done in use in all states this rule this the same Australia wide know the green car cannot turn into any of the three lanes in this example and neither can the blue as there are multiple turning lanes so it they will designate what Lane you can turn into in this example the green car must go to the right our lane only the blue car has the option of the middle lane all the far left lane for the blue arrows that could be reversed in a setup allowing the green car to go to the middle and right lanes it depends on how many turning lanes you have and how many lanes you can turn into but whenever there are multiple Turning lanes and you cannot turn into any Lane you wish in that only applies when there is a single turning lane when there are multiple there will always be - markings on the road and or signs telling you what lane to turn into that makes sense cheers
That one about driving through a servo shouldn't be allowed. It's inviting an accident on the forecourt. I know...the driver should exercise caution but that reality will be different
the example was a petrol station but is all road related area , liek car parks , shop s, drive thru"s , grass area , you are have to give way if you are stopping to get petrol or not so no difference
Despite the fact that the lane on the left side is clearly blocked due to many parking spots, there is a brazen driver who refuses to line up on the right side and overtakes the vehicle on the right side in the left lane before cutting into the right lane. It is Australia's own crazy rules.
I think some of these rules only apply in NSW. Amber light means STOP if you can SAFELY. Lane change when turning at intersection. Not sure but in VIC you must follow the lane your in, as in, turning from outside lane into outside lane not changing to inside lane. You should turn into the lane THEN change lanes. Changing lanes in a roundabout, NO, complete your roundabout trip then change lanes. Doing a lane change in the roundabout is dangerous and could confuse other drivers. But as I said these rules you have highlighted may not apply in other states.
Hi Fred acutally NO all those rules you mentioned are the same in VIC and all states , unfortunately it’s a misconception many have I’m trying to help educate on , with that in mind how did you come to think all these things ?
HI Fred now i have more time i can reply in more detail , so as i said No there rules are the same in Vic 1. its a yellow light :) and yes same law in Nsw and vic (all states ) as said in video you MUST stop if you can stop safely before reaching the stop line law 57 2.NO in Vic same when turning at an intersection with only one turning lane you can turn into any lane , 3.YES you can change lanes in a roundabout as long as you obey all other rules , see links :) www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s117.html classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s57.html would love for you to reply so i can discuss with you where you got the incorrect information from helps me with promoting the rules and educating Thanks
Fred Nutz you know if I had dollar for every time I had someone say , oh no it’s different in Victoria I would retired , I don’t why it is that think the rules are different in VIC when they clearly aren’t , very poor driver education and training in there , must poor drive schools , government body not teaching , maybe it’s the idiotically thinking of many of the population in that state , :(. Glad I don’t live there the new Mexico
Hi no its not hence the video , what if the light was green ? what if it was green the went red , hat if it was a stop sign ? see makes no sense as its not illegal you have broken nbo law
hey scott, i was wondering did you have any opinion on the problem of new road rules/changes to road rules not being directly communicated to anyone, ever? like i got dicked for idly holding my phone up to my window, trying to get the gps to start talking to me again, and apparently touching any electronic device while in your car, that isn't in "an approved cradle" is illegal and comes with a $500 penalty now.. i was stopped at the lights and the cop said nope, u gotta be pulled over, with the car fully parked in order to be able to touch anything (without a cradle). last i heard you couldn't write sms while in the car and had to use speakerphone, and that was it.. like decades ago.. which got me thinking.. in all my years of driving, nobody has ever communicated a road rule or change to road rules to me.. not vicroads, not the department of transport, nothin.. and they sure af have all my details. every time vicroads issues me a new license, they should make sure i know any new changes to rules, but that doesn't happen- they aren't doing their job as the licensing authority and just rubber stamp license renewals, letting people eat shit when they find out about new rules the hard way..
Hi with regards to your question although I think yes there should be more done to update drivers on changes not sure how Victoria is by the New South Wales the government is fairly active weather for example your one with the phones has been well publicised on TV another advertising campaigns to explain the rules along with other room changes like seat belts speed limits and other things get well represented but I think now with the Adrian we should have to take it you’re an online test every couple of years we can meet on your home computer , laptop , tablet etc to make people re learn laws , like we have to for work and other things we do
@@ScottsCarcameras thanks very much for your reply! yeah the department of transport informed me that they have tv ads and magazine campaigns for road rule changes, but i don't watch tv and who buys magazines.. >.< so are those particular ads currently running? or it was just for a period, then they assumed everyone should probably be reliably informed by then? the case i've been trying to put to our vic government is that i don't watch tv, and as a result haven't been informed of most/any road rule changes since initially getting my license decades ago.. i don't think i'm the only one? the licensing authority has a full database it could use to directly inform each of us of changes to road rules the moment they happen, and i think nowadays it's way smarter to just directly inform people instead of pissing money up a tree with tv ad campaigns and magazines that you can never be 100% confident everyone has seen and understood. also i agree with you, it's very easy to provide timely and relevant information and testing online. if any rules ever change, people should have to in some way at least acknowledge the change, in the form of a test online, or at least having the information displayed to them and asking them to indicate they've read it and can therefore abide by it. pretty sure i have fkall chance of anyone bothering to fix it, but man i have been trying XD
What about 2 lanes turning left into 3 lanes. No markings on the road to indicate which lane you should be going into. I'm thinking Delhi Road turning left onto Epping Road. www.google.com/maps/@-33.7941303,151.1350354,3a,75y,227.76h,65.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s90RzTmf71SmqwVZHGJOKcg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Can the left lane enter the middle lane of the 3 or does it need to stick to the inside lane. Can the right of the left turn lanes enter the middle lane? As I see it all the time where both cars try to join onto the middle lane.
Hi Matt know the spot , yes agree should be marked better , in this case the unbroken line after the stop line of the traffic lights dictate the cars in the left lane go to the left , the right cars have the choice of the middle or right
Hi yes true that why i have done more on roundabouts see links :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MGQLghn5FlY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wMoSLKzsr-g.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s_jBUuvzyjI.html
HI the rule has not changed there has never been a time requirement on indicating for a lane change , however if teh runabout id very small you may not have enough time signal a lane change so doing one is not safe or practical and unable due to traffic in the roundabout so you wont not do it :)
Turning to take either lane... At 1:32 the diagram shows a green and a blue car both turning right into 3 lanes. Why does the blue car get to choose which lane it wants while the green car is shown with only the closest lane as the turn option?
Hi , in that example they show that setup , in the real road there will be dash lines on the road showing what lane or lane you can turn into , in these setups they typically do it this way to allow large vehicles ie trucks , buses to use two lanes for easier turning and but there are setups where green car would have tow lanes to turn into and it would be shows on the road with lines and/or with signs :)
Regarding the roundabout...that’s what gets many people...the fact that while it’s legal...the line markings and the usual road rules apply for lane changing For exam0le, near my house is a big roundabout at a typical cross roads...two lanes each way with median strip division between directions... ...people make the turn right, and try to go immediately into the left hand lane for petrol station access...sadly they think they have the right of way to cut off the driver next to them in the left hand lane...what’s worse is that for the petrol station, 50m down the road is a cut in the median specifically marked for u-turn...which was added there when the petrol station was built... ...no one wants to drive the extra 100 metres to be courteous to other road users...often nearly causing collisions, and assaulting the victim driver by screaming “why couldn’t you be courteous and let me across”...simple...they aren’t technically obliged to...you also showed no courtesy to them, why should they to you
Hi re your question so it’s not a case of maintaining your lane as there is no set line yes in New Zealand you have a law you must turn into the far left lane when turning then change afterwards you have this because in New Zealand when traffic is turning right and left it in a section they can both turn at the same time this doesn’t work in bigger places with much more lanes and more cars like Australia so in other places are in the world the law is when turning right you must stop and give way traffic As most it crashes happen at intersection allowing traffic to turn into different directions into the one lane at the one time Accounts for a very high percentage of crashes so in places with a lot of traffic in big cities and lots of cars like Australia they don’t have t left and right Turing traffic going into the same street can’t turn at the same time hence also why we have a rule where when you turn left you can go into any lane you wish as the problem would be if you had 10 cars all turning left into a busy road then not all trying to change three lanes to make a right turn Old accelerating at different speeds you would wind up with a crash as well hence why in the rest the poster in the world they don’t do it that way like in New Zealand :)
richard, as long as you don't have a truck behind you or someone with a trailer, then you will be fine. Anyone driving a heavy vehicle or towing a heavy load will take at a minimum 10 times longer than your vehicle to stop. Big trucks will take 20 times longer, which is why you often see them running lights.
These things might be legal but common sense should prevail. In my humble opinion, and in most of those scenarios, the risks outweigh the benefits. Especially driving through a service station to avoid waiting at some traffic lights for 30 seconds.
Page 95 of the Road Users Handbook: www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/licence/road_users_handbook-english.pdf - Turning left: On your approach to a roundabout you must select the left lane, signal left, stay in the left lane to exit. -Going straight ahead: You may approach the roundabout from either left or right lanes (unless there are road markings with other instructions), drive in the same lane through the roundabout and exit in the same lane. -Turning right: On your approach, to a roundabout you must select the right lane, signal right, stay in the right lane and signal left before exiting into the right lane." The rules above are consistent with the picture you showed of a multi-lane roundabout at 0:35. So clearly we have conflicting messages here from transport nsw. I see you pulled your screenshot from page 5 of roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/downloads/top-10-misunderstood-road-rules.pdf
Hello , so I assume your are referring to the rule for changing lanes in a roundabout, (FYI the image used was for page 96 of the drivers handbook you linked ) what was your question or conflict or point in Regards to the rule ?
As I've pointed out with my comment previous using the examples of left right and straight ahead. The handbook clearly instructs you to exit in the same lane you enter in, and drive in the same lane throughout the roundabout for each example. Left - " You must select the left.. stay in the left lane to exit" Straight - "Either left or right lanes... drive in the same lane... and exit in the same lane" Right - "You must select the right... stay in the right lane... exiting into the right lane" So this conflicts with the misunderstood road rules document which states that you can change lanes.
Hi , Ok yes i understand , so its not a conflict rather more a poor use of words and not a perfect way to explain on the Rms page , ive had similar issues when researching making videos on other rules with the Rms on how they explain things eg , the keep left and turn in at intersections which only give short basic definitions and explanations hat leave things out and doent cover all rules , same as the rms page for roundabouts doesn't cover all scenarios and possible setups , i had to contact them and go there to confirm laws for that and lane filtering on the videos i did on them ,. So to explain think of it this way the rms site was just giving a basic explanation of how you would use a roundabout and was correct that if you were to turn left or right it you would do a they said and turn form that lane not turn left from the right lane etc . same if going straight , if explaining to a learner driving you would say you would stay in your lane and go tif you are going straight dont just "hop over" other lanes and exit wherever you want you must obey al other road rules eg stay in your lane ,BUT yes they should have mentioned that you can change lanes, but as i said it was written to basic instructions for people to understand basic roundabout use . Next thing to keep in mind the way the laws for driving are written ( and all laws) are in reverse in that they dont say what you CAN do just what you cant eg there's not where it states you can changes lanes in an intersection , but theres no where its states you cant , so unless there is law saying you cant do it you allowed to , , same for changing lanes in roundabout there is no laws saying you cant do it , when i make videos and check laws for things like this best to go to the source that the RMS and transport nsw use the legislation road rule 2014 to confirm these things i will leave a link also see link to Transport webpage on roundabout watch video at 1:16 covers changing lane sin roundabout . hope this explains but any questions please let me know :) roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/roadrules.html www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/regulation/2014/758/full
I have to disagree with that last part about driving through front courts and driveways like that. It is a serious hazard and dangerous to pedestrians and persons working at such venues. It got that bad that I couldn't reverse a car out of a workshop without nearly getting collect by the traffic running though to evade the lights.
Hi Hayleigh no the point of the video was it works the opposite way to way you said , you must stop for a yellow light unless its not safe to stop as in you cant stop in time / are already to close to the line , make sense ? :)
I would like to see how these differ from state to state considering this was all filmed in NSW. I know that certain rules change from state to state. For example in Vic you can perform a u-turn at a set of traffic lights, unless it is signed as no u-turns. In some other states this is an illegal and you can be fined for it. Maybe not the best advice to give if it is illegal in other states outside NSW. Maybe you could posted which states allow these manoeuvres where possible as not to create confusion with different states road rules.
Hi this has been taken into account , the video notes at the start this is off NSW but all the rules in this video are the same in all states and territories in Australia . the only note is a slight variation on the change lanes in intersection rule in WA only :)
maximum penalty is 20 penalty units. Current cost of 1 penalty unit is $210 20 x $210 = $4,200. Let's not run that amber light in case the officer decides to give you the maximum
I know that when I'm going ahead I should have right of way instead of cars indicate right in the opposite lane. When it comes to a busy intersection, several cars on the opposite lane are turning right(which is to my left), what should I do to show that I'm intent to going straight, also which position to wait for the oncoming traffic when there's no clear markings on the road?
