5 More Extinct British Steam Locomotives (AKA Honorable mentions) 

The M Bison clip was enough to have me subscribed to your channel. Also, thanks for the mention at 12:42. ;)

Good video...no need to make excuses for sound quality or errors, your enthusiasm is greater than these...

4:40 - the first two Patriots were rebuilds of the large Claughtons, using parts from the older locos. The next forty were actually totally new locos but classified as rebuilds for accountancy reasons.

Thompson's dislike of Gresley is very much over played by enthusiasts, by the time Thompson took over, the LNER was in a terrible state, having very little money, with the restrictions placed upon him by the war and subsequent post war austerity, he was in a position of having to rebuild a lot of Gresley locos, which were utterly worn out, and turn them into something just as powerful but a little less high maintainance. People often site his rebuild of Gresley's Great Northern as an example of Thompson's dislike of Gresley, but the simple fact is, Great Northern was chosen as both the most worn out and the next into works. Similarly, the A2/2s were only rebuilt as such owing to the need to simplify the design. It is worth remembering that Gresley himself rebuilt / scrapped a number of Holden, Raven, Robinson etc machines, but we don't view him with such animosity.

How to make a successful Praire: -Do not use Praire tender engines if other, more compatible locos are aviable in sufficient numbers! The only case when you need it is if the length is confined, but you want wide firebox. -Compounding is a good practice, but 2-cyl superheated engines are more efficient and cheaper to operate. -If you need an express engine very urgently, because the Atlantics are insufficient at traction power, but their boiler and framework is well designed, you have a nearly full Praire. Turn it from a 4-4-2 to a 2-6-2, and you get more pull.

The LMS Fowler 2-6-4 tank definitely should have mentions. The Midland Railway had built an 0-6-4 tank often called "Flat irons", which were inside cylindered engines which worked better in reverse than forwards. When Derby came to design a new 2-6-4 Tank there was a basis in the flat irons. The outside cylinders used for the Crabs was adopted and Fowler insisted that long lap travel valves were used. As a result a very good 2-6-4 Tank was produced, which even William Stanier accepted was a good locomotive and initially only modified in its cab details. It went on to influence the NI 2-6-0 W and 2-6-4 WT. Stanier put on a taper boiler, Fairburn (Ivatt) shortened the wheelbase and eventually BR Standards were strongly influenced by the concept. They were a good locomotive. A driver who had driven all except the NI engines, said that you couldn't put a cigarette paper between them, meaning that there wasn't a lot of difference in their performance.

Some good honorable mentions would be the nbr H class and the highland railway clan class

Making opinions on Thompson is a lot harder than I thought it would be

Hi just watched your very interesting review. I was fortunate that my last school was 300yds from a main freight line. I left that school in 1968. I used to go to Crewe works on a Sunday and walk around the workshops whist the steam locos were still being serviced. How i miss those days with my mates. You did not just walk in, one had to apply to the superintendant for a pass in advance. Running gear on the rails and boilers in the air on gantry cranes. I live by one of the most scenic railways in the U K. If i was clever with computers i would put on this new fangled machine 4472 Flying Scotsman, three foot from me doing 90mph on a tour from London on its return through Pensarn. Maybe i will post it one day. The two best films made for steam locos ever in Britain are, Oh mister porter, starring Will Hay, Moore Marriot and Graham Moffat, and The Titfield Thunderbolt. Every famous British actor of the day was in it. If you do decide to watch this film you maybe pleased to know that the subsistute locomotive still exists today. Built in 1829 it is housed in the waterfront museum Liverpool,its original name is Lion. Many thanks. Ron

Thompson never hated Gresley, as was discussed on a podcast regarding Thompson, he had a difficult job on his hand during WW2, and actually CHOSE to maintain quite a lot of Gresley locomotives. If you don't believe me, check out Railway Mania's podcast where he's discussed. And also, that bit about the A2/2's isn't entirely true, seeing as they achieved a higher availability, and retained some of the positives from their older P2 forms.

The J50 were also known as the Ardsley Tanks, because one of their main depot was the Ardsley depot between Leeds and Wakefield.

Well the prototype L1 was actually more successful than the production versions

Love the zee class pronounced zed class. V4 one of my favourites too. GWR Grange class, the engine mans engine?? J38 0-6-0 Greeley’s first LNER design. Darlington built, for coal traffic in Fife, Scotland, the Scots preferred their Scottish built 0-6-0’s, the English preferred the J39s mainly English based loco’s. But it’s all about opinion!

one of my favourite extinct british engines has to be the NBR H class, the 'North British Atlantics.' It's especially tragic as one was briefly preserved, after already been cut up and then rebuilt, only to be scrapped thanks to the outbreak of ww2. Also i've never heard of the Raven A2's before but damn there's something striking about them.

Most interesting and looking forward to more. Good stuff.

Good bit with the dishonorable mentions in a list of honorable mentions.

The Atlantic’s of the NER and North British worth a look as the passenger loco of the era.

if Thomas had been based on LNER J50 tank engine it would have meant that he was related to Gordon the big express engine who is an LNER A1 class express engine that would have made them cousins

LMS Fury is screaming in the background somewhere and is really really mad that he's not on the list

That so called Zee is actually pronounced Zed

Some UK Steamers WERE written off as Progress for Diesels and Some UK steam Switchers were scrapped in favor of Class 08 Diesel switcher.

I saw the patriot rebuild project at the midland railway in the butterly in the steam shed

Awesome video

Great job! Keep it up! RR history is the best!

I would like the e2 locomotives, even if Thomas wasent based on it. I love the design of the remade e2 locomotives, even though they weren't the most comfortable runner's, but the looks pay off lol

In my opinion the Raven Pacifics should have been ranked No.2. Furthermore the P2s were preceded by the P1s. These were essentially an A3 boiler on a Mikado frame, otherwise reasonable video

one of the Honorable mentions you forgot was the LNER P1

As wonderful as gresley was, and the lovely variety of lner locomotives, the lner was financially struggling, and part of the reason was they had so, so so many different locomotive types, it was a nightmare to service the things. That’s why the Thompson era was all about simplifying the engines. The GWR didn’t have the variety in designs, it that worked to their advantage, because they all used similar parts. At least that’s what I’ve gathered.

Another group of extinct locomotives that can be covered are the series of Robinson's 4-6-0 locomotives for the Great Central Railway. Under the LNER they were the B1 through B9. The 4-6-0 locomotives received mixed reviews. Some of the classes such as the B2 " Sir Sam Fay" and B3 "Lord Faringdon" were not successful in its intended role of express passenger, others such as the B4 and B7 class, which were built as mixed traffic, were more successful. The Robinson 4-6-0's of B1 to B9 were displaced by the Thompson B1s post war, the former classes would of been withdrawn by 1950. None were preserved.

Well done!

How about the Highland 'River' Class - a fine loco which failed due to lack of understanding by the civil engineers. Agreed Thomson had a difficult task to maintain availability during WW2 but he had none of the flair of a great engineer. I'd place him as a first-class maintenance mechanic but uninspired and promoted above his pay grade. The B1 was a solid reliable design but at least 3 decades out of date in terms of design. Pretty much a shrunk down Raven Pacific! There was a good reason why when BR needed more locos in this power and availability class they went for a Mark 2 'Black Five'.

There still is a j50 lol

Seeing that thumbnail makes me feel so sad like rip random 4-4-0 or something loco

So cool it's a shame that Thomas was not based of the J50 but instead he was based of the Infamous LBSCR E2 I suggest you do the same honorable mention for American Locomotive

I hope gonna do this but from steam Trains from México

But currently hasn't been given a name yet But currently hasn't been given a name yet good video

At least some of these lived on in 00 scale ready to run models, in the UK. J50 0-6-0T = Lima (1970's to 1980's) 2MT 2-6-2T = Triang Railways / Triang - Hornby / Hornby Railways R.59 (1956 to 1978) L1 4-4-0 = Triang Railways / Triang Hornby / Hornby Railways R.350 (1960 to 1974)

Patroit is not now Extinct. There is a new build locomotive part complete. Love the section on the Southern Railway Class Z locomotives.

Ayy wasup Thomas

Fun fact thomas was never ment to be an e2 tank he was originally supposed to be a j50 but he was turned into an e2 instead but the reverend made thomas have all the e2 features taken away

The Aberdares weren't popular with crews being poor steamers. In one footplate man's memoirs they are called "The bloody awful Aberdares."

What about the LMS Fury, I think that was also a failed experiment and there was only 1 built

Personally Thomas should've been an E3 class or at least an E1

Damn i wish i could have thomas and edward in my backyard

I know more Prairie type engines like the v1 and v3 tank engines of the LNER v3 being rebuilds of v1s which were tank engine version of v2 and the GWR had a huge fleet of prairie s with 51xx/61xx a couple more large prairie and the small prairies and the br standard 2 and 3 also I think the lms 2-6-4t still exists also wilbert did not change Thomas to an e2 the the person who did the drawings for the first book Thomas appeared in saw a picture awdry sent he had a choice of a lms jinty and the LNER j50 but the drawer mistook the the Jinty for a LBSCR E2 and the little blue embarrassment was born

The prototype Thompson L1 Adriatic tank was fine but the production batch were worse than the prototype

LMS patriot class i think there is one currently being built witch is '' uknown worrior ''

I just found out that the big city engine from the book Gordon goes foreign was based off of the LMS patriots they we’re talking about the stations in London

You should have included the LBSCR D3

Noting the E2’s did 50 years service just as the J50. A really bad engine? No. A good shunting engine, yes.

IN the UK they were called "Zed" class, not "Zee" because of the way we say Z LOL

neat

L1 2-6-4t

I thought they were more V4 than 2

No southern designs survived (if you don't count the ex K class U boat locomotive 31806

how do you only khow thomas by a e2

Can someone explain to me why the L 1 is bad and Andrew an engine I would add to that honorable mentions list is and L S W R and S E C R Locomotives like the Drummond 700 and secr E and J class

For the American honorable meantions, I think you forgot the Southern Railroad Fs class 4-6-0 because of 1102 is a Fs class that the song Wreck of the old 97 was based off from. Denver & Rio Grande Western C-41 2-8-0T No.01 the only Tank locomotive the railroad had. For the record, Ffestnoig railway rebuilt a Alco 2-6-2T with a cab style of their Farlie steamers, which is ugly. Talking about insult towards American builds.

when i was you young and green the station of lordan is king cross the patriot;kings cross is not king cross´s is eutens

Engines which lasted 50 years couldn't have been all that bad.

6:33 why is this picture an eyesore to me

when you realise that Thomas the Tank Engine was a flop irl

D16 4-4-0 LNER

Will the southern Z class get a rebuild? I guess not?

14:35 NOOOOOHOOOOO!!! NOT TOBY!😭😭😭

0:03 this 4-4-0

Sick and Tired of People Hating on E2s 1. The bunker and tanks were FINE, it was the Boiler 2. THEY WEREN'T EVEN DESIGNED TO PULL PASSENGER TRAINS OR WORK IN DOCKYARDS 3. They'd Never go that fast in Regular Service so Rough Riding at High Speeds wasn't even that much of a problem 4. The S100s didn't replace them, The E2s came to Southampton AFTER the S100s, the S100s having been there since the 1940s, They Both Helped Eachother, the E2s Handling the Heavier Shunting, and the S100s Handling the Tight dockyard curvature, And they both Got Replaced by the BR Class 07s in the 1960s

The engine in 4:09 is not a Patriot. It looks like an LMS standard 2P, a much smaller locomotive with only four driving wheels and not six. Both the 2Ps and Patriots were very successful and numerous, and now extinct. It is great that you talk about the new-build project to build a Patriot in its advanced stages. I didn't know there was also a project to build a new V4.

I really dont like any GWR locos... They always look "antiquated"... By the standards of the other 3 companies.

nice....and sus