I'm completely with you for have 6110 and 6111 for the T1 spot. I love the engines, but it's a shame and kind of ridiculous that the prototypes worked better than the production engines; the fact that they were built during the same time as the Pennsy's first road diesels doesn't really qualify as an excuse to me.
They worked better because the PRR was declining rapidly and a complex, modern, and experimental steam locomotive was not what they needed. They also didn’t train engineers on how to use to them properly. The K4s by comparison were simple but underpowered locomotives.
Cheers I really enjoyed that, coming from the UK I will always feel that our steam was the most handsome but the US loco's were truly awesome beasts, really loving all the US steam documentaries on the tube now. looking forward to seeing part two.
Not a bad haul my favorites in general include the LMS princess royals stanier 8Fs the AC 12s the Union Pacific FEFs union pacific Schenectady 4-4-0s stanier moguls SAR Rx class Ffesteniog Garratts NSWGR garratts the LNER p2s and the j94s
A good, intelligent video... Thank you for producing it. It's rare to find an American that understands anything British... especially railway related but you definitely know your stuff.
I don't understand why you hate the T1 trust. They're rebuilding a very unique and impressive locomotive from the rails up, which is an extremely difficult feat. And yet, you act like they're just a bunch of egotistical dummies from the US who are hungry for a pointless record? Yes, the record IS pointless! Which is why A: That isn't their primary goal, contrary to what you might have to say and B: You.. shouldn't care? It's literally pointless if it breaks a record. So what? The A4 will still be the winner in so many other regards, and no pride will be lost just because a larger and more capable locomotive was finally give it's chance in the limelight. The T1 have already been speculated to have traveled much faster, what's all the fuss about? Can't we just agree that the A4 is better overall, even if the T1 proves the long-standing myth about it's top speed?
If you are from the PRR T1 Trust, you can still build the new T1 #5550 and get it to the (LNER A4 #4468) Mallard’s record of 126 miles per hour. It takes time, but we support the idea of the new T1. Make it happen, especially with the New York Central J Class 4-6-4 Hudson #5300 and New York Central 4-8-4 Niagara #6600 if you get the chance after you have built the new T1. Don’t give up and do your best to keep your projects going no matter what. Keep this new T1 going and build the rails up.
The AC-9 was a conventional mallet steam locomotive and there are already preserved examples of this type (Big Boy's, Challenger, Yellowstone). The T1's were duplex locos of which none survived (as far as I know) so I think it would be good to have at least one example of this unusual type of loco in existence.
Spoiler alert Jim, Hornby released their new Hush Hush model this year both in its original and rebuilt forms. By the way, they look very nice except the original version the Hush Hush model is a bit lighter than rebuilt version which has a heavy chassis from front to back while the original version's front is light and back is heavy. The reason why the front of the Hush Hush's front is light is because the running board is made out of plastic and it is not ruler straight.
As a small boy, I remember seeing 'Turbomotive' in service in its original form - and, of course, I remember the Harrow and Wealdstone disaster. Subsequently, I saw 71000 'Duke of Gloucester' in regular service. It (or should that be 'she', despite being a Duke?) had a reputation for poor steaming. However, when it was restored, they discovered the reasons, a combination of design and manufacturing faults and rectified them. I was on a steam excursion a couple of years ago, with 71000 double heading with 60163 'Tornado', a new build replica of an LNER A1 Pacific. But then, if you're a real 'gricer', you'll know all about 'Tornado' - and you'll probably know that it topped 100miles/hr on a test run in February of this year.
Jim, I can safely say that, if there were ever plans to do replica/new-build projects for the N&W Y6bs, B&O EM-1s, SP AC-9s, UP Fetter Challengers, C&O T-1s, PRR J1s and Q2 Duplexes, I would be onboard with each one. We lost so many steam engines during the transition from steam to diesel locomotives. Taking inspiration from you, I may eventually do my own list of extinct classes of locomotives, but instead of 15 or 20, I might do 30 locomotives and split it up into three parts with 10 locomotives in each part. Of course, I'm gonna need Windows Movie Maker to make this project of mine work.
It's interesting everyone talking about the new T1 breaking the speed record, there's quite a bit to do before like finishing it (that's going to be a few years yet) and then there is convincing the relevant authorities to allow an attempt to take place.
Yu know, whilst I understand your respect for the A4s, why should they keep the title of "fastest class of steam engines in the world" if they possibly werent actually the fastest? Thats not really fair is it? If the T1 deserves the title then itll claim it. If it doesnt, then it wont. The A4s, for all their grace and beauty, dont get a free pass.
22:26 anyone know where this clip is from? Also, love what you have done here mate. Sad to hear that this is your last year before retirement from youtube, but I understand your reasons, trolls don't deserve the nicer things in life. No one should have to go through the amount of abuse you and your friends have received. I hope you and your friends are OK and I hope you all do well in the future.
I hate having to place a reply like this. In case The Gaming Rhino is watching this, Christopher Kovacs gave me permission to use that intro, and as for the SP 4460 on the thumbnail that's some stupid glitch on RU-vid's end. YT always picks an image from about the middle sa the thumbnail automatically, but I changed it to the Turbomotive, and that does show up on the PC.
I hate Franklin Poppet Valve gear. Not just that it's expensive, its just really damn ugly. It looks ok on the T1 tho, probably because there are only two drive wheels per set.
What makes you think t1 trust is trying to break the steam speed record? I think it is a good idea to rebuild it. I just don't think they should try to break the record.
Now I am worried they might derail it. It's too risky. It will be the last of the duplexes, and it's streamlined. I like that engine I even have a Broadway Limited HO model of that. It's #5513.
Dude, you can't change my perspective of the T1 Trust... The people who formed it are as controversial as the locomotive they want to bring back from extinction...
why would you care if Mallards record is beaten? it would be apples to oranges. Beside, Mallard broke on that run anyways. Yeh, yanking your chain a little there, it was a ballsy run even if she did scorch up a bearing doing it. Just curious, ever talk to anyone who ran a T1?
21:03 yesterday marked 67 years since the crash happened and a youtuber by the name of thunderbolt1000productions did a video on it. Jim if your reading this I'm not sure if your interested in it but if you are here's the link to the video and I recommend checking out some of the other videos he's done m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-99fNHGFHVlo.html
She's being built as LMS 5551. That's what the majority of the people who participated in a poll voted for. So expect that 45551 number plate to be removed pretty soon, if it hasn't been removed already.
i wouldn't mind if they tried to take the record, as long as Britain tries to take it back. Andre chapelon did have calculations and possibly plans for a 16,000 hp 167mph locomotive, imagine an LNER A4 (2450)hp, LMS Coronations Class (3300hp), Union Pacific big-boy (6290hp), PRR T1 (6500hp), or a PRR Q2 (7978hp) modified with a double lempor or lemprex exhaust system, including all the improvements invented by andre Chapelon, Livio Dante Porta and David Wardale, EPIC. Chapelon doubled the horsepower of a 4-8-4 poorly performing locomotive to 5,500hp!!
if the Virginia railway and the erie and Virginian railroad has rebuilt the triplex into duplex, the can reduce into 2-8-8-2 driving wheels, while the Virginia railway triplex supposed to be 2-8-8-4 like the y6 from N&W
If you mean a full-size, fully functional replica TRIPLEX, that's a pretty poor plan, especially if it's for DISPLAY. At that point you might as well just make a mockup out of wood or something.
Wonderful video. Thank you for making and sharing this. Were railroads so desperate for money thathey needed to scrap the last engine of its kind? They should build another locomotive rather than ugly T-1.
The development of steam locomotives and that of mechanical engineering paralleled each other for a century. But into the first half of the last century, while steam usage for electric power generation and for marine vessels continued to develop, the railways dropped the ball. That didn't have to be, as André Chapelon, Livio Dante Porta and those following in their work demonstrated so effectively. David Wardale, the Advanced Steam Traction Group as well as persons and organizations in other countries have been elucidating about steam's potential and exposing the virtual worldwide propaganda campaign that was used to discredit steam traction in the middle of the 20th century. Itself a classical example of the rule: 'Follow the Money'. And speaking of finances, had funding permitted the 5AT project to continue, the 'record' would have been broken in the UK, assuming cooperation by Network Rail. And cheered by steam devotees the world over. David Wardale, who understands as much as anyone on the planet about the capabilities of steam traction, both pro and con, has along with others, strived to correct the narrow minded, parochial stereotype that views steam traction as a near Mesozoic era artifact of industrial history. The 'record' should be seen as a part of history, and not as a sacrosanct fable for junior cultists who obviously show more interest in 'my team vs your team' tribal behvior than they do for actual steam powered systems. And hard as it may seem, you have to grow up some time, Jimmy. Seriously.
And I hope the patriot doesn't have the belle whistle usually associated with Fowler designs, I hope it'll heave the glorious hooter whistle of the Stanier locomotives
as a 7 year old i was in awe of the new Coronatiion passing through Crewe station, the 9 years later [apprentice then] actually worked on her, lovely memory, sadly locomotive was in war time drab black then.
On the J70s, the sub-classes weren't sub -classes, they were just order numbers. The GER gave their locomotives classes based on the first order number.
That wreck at 21.17 was the pilot engine, Jubilee Class 4-6-0 No 45637 Windward Islands. which took the full force of the impact. Incedently, part of 'Anne's frames were also used to repoair the culpret engine, 46242 City of Glasgow. so she donated parts to two other engines.
You know, Man, this is a badass list of extinct steam locos from the US and the UK that you came up with and I'm surprised about the locos that you chose for your own list. But coming to your rant about the T1 Trust and what they're trying to do with their engine rebuild goal, I totally agree. I mean, why would they wanna break Mallard's record now after she was firmly cemented in railway history with her 1938 record run? I just don't see that happening, Mallard's gonna remain the World's Fastest Steam Engine and that's how it's going to stay.
As a Brit I wan't and don't want that to happen. I wan't Sir Gresley's efforts to remain and stay throughout history. However, I wan't to find steam speed records get kick started again and that'd hopefully prompt rivalry again and maybe just maybe we'd get more of an urge to look at past designs that were overlooked and give them a shot at winning the record! If I can see steam getting to 200mph without fancy modern systems and just the old simple ways I'll be very satisfied! It is very unlikely but that is what I want to see before I go.
Superb! Like the sense of humour especially that bit when his colleague / assistant sticks that old Southern Railway billboard in front of the camera just as he mentioned the namesake words in his US railroad context! Always a good laugh where you get the ´blithering idiot’ character supposedly trying [ or wanting to make it appear so! ] to « assist « his boss in his delivery but succeeding in only making it worse! [ Like the scene in the 1945 Olivier version film Henry V where the cleric is going through a sheaf of large and complicated docs on Salic law and his idiotic « assistant » shoves any old and inevitably wrong doc in front of him…! ]. Never wears out, that scenario and shades of Benny Hill and Mr Bean....My sincere apologies for those who think this comment out of context...( and you may be right ) but I am referring to the delivery of this excellent document which is to inform, enlighten, interest, entertain and hold the attention of the viewer and my contention is that you need a good sense of humour of which the item under reference is a good example. A real and right pleasure to watch and listen to and my very best wishes go with you for your future research and endevours . On a more serious note, and perhaps sad one to all rail fans: I sometimes get a creeping item in my brain cells when watching like historic rail reviews that perhaps someone might/should/ought to introduce a new reference ratio stat indicator along with other stats concerning say historic locos that is a reference to their working life eg loco XYZ boiler pressure ´x’, ´tractive effort ‘y’ and working life ´z’ years and estimated route miles run over life, if only to bring it home to us how wasteful some of these investments were. For example, an example of a good investment might be loco or class XYZ was/were built at a total cost of ABC and covered an estimated EFG mileage over HIL years hauling trains of KLN tonnage. But perhaps am talking a load of cod’s wallop rubbish for which I bow with humble (not Uriah’s type I beg you to believe and grant me, heavens non! That’d be the very last straw!
I would without reservation supporting breaking the steam rail record if it were done using a new build steam turbine locomotive. At least that would reflect the progress that would have been made if steam continued to be developed, and serve some purpose in demonstrating something that hasn't been seen before, and would still leave Mallard as the pinnacle of reciprocating-piston steam locomotive speed.
#18 W1. At 7:17 we are told that it was the only 4-6-4 Hudson built in the UK. However in 1950 - 1951, North British of Glasgow built more Hudsons; 70 R Class express locomotives for the Victorian Railways as the Australian company's workshops were all too busy to do the job themselves. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_Railways_R_class
Sorry for being a pedant. However the 70 4-6-4s sent to Victoria were broad gauge for 5'3" tracks, so you can truthfully say that Hush Hush was the only standard gauge Hudson built in the UK.
I would love to see a steam race between the Br 05-001, the Mallard, the Coronation and the T1. Fire them all up! These things were not build to sit in a museum. They were build for speed. Just like a classic car, they should be driven!
What about the Wabash P1 Hudson's? Those look rather appealing in my opinion. Sorta like a crossbred between a UP FEF, Reading T1, and a NYC Hudson. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_class_P1 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_class_P1. They were built on the Wabash's 2-8-2 mikados and semi streamlined with Elephant Ears and side panels as well as being painted in Navy Blue with a white stripe with red trimming going across the side panelling and numberplate.
I think the 844 could beat Mallard's record. It is told that FEF-1s have gone over 110mph, and FEF-3s were built to go up to 120mph. I think it is possible for that to happen.
Breaking the speed record isn't pointless if the T1 is built to the same standard as the originals. If the T1's really ran 125 mph, they deserve some vindication. At least one of the production series T1's was equipped with good spring rigging, according to Vernon L. Smith, (author of "One Man's Locomotive's") a long-term mechanical engineer that worked on the engines. Even if the record is broken, the British still have bragging rights for having the "official" record of the steam age, which is a better choice of words anyway. If Britain really beat America, it's probably not by much. Andre Chapelon thought the Hiawatha Atlantics and Baltics reached or exceeded their two mile a minute design speed as claimed. He saw them in action
I know this is a late reaction, but you are completely forgetting the Swedish steam turbine program, The only truly succesfull steam turbine locomotives ever build. Several of those engines have been preserved, and one of them is the only operational steam turbine locomotive in the world
My problem with the T1 Trust trying to break the record is that they seem to have forgotten that Mallard nearly tore herself apart doing it. Don't build a new train, just to break her boiler in a pointless stunt.
An addendum; the NYC Hudsons were allowed to go,between Toledo and Elkhart( by the Employees time table),120 MPH,and that with a 20 car train! The Niagaras were also on the same speed limit. So unofficially,the Hudsons and Niagara s were beating the Mallard's every day,but no mention was made outside of the employee's operations! This was the reserve that the NYC had if trains were running late,or held because of snow storms,or other weather conditions! Upstate New York, was and is notorious for snow,especially from the Lake effect storms! The PRR,had its equivalent,between Crestline and Columbus,on the old Lines West! So there were many runs,equally as fast as Gresley's masterpiece,but no one was the wiser!! Just remember the NYC 999,and those other engines of the same era,their successors were doing the same feats with 1000 plus tons of passenger trains! Thank you for an interesting video,and don't put the Hudsons and Niagara into,an also ran status,they deserve far better,as the management treated steam rather shabby,it doesn't help perpetuating the bad mouthing of a cynical media,and stupidity of boards of directors! Thank you for your time,and effort,it does cause people to get out of the box,and think,that alone is worth while!! 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚉🚉🚉🚉🚉🚇🚇🚇🚇
If the volume of the foreground music is reduced, the I could happily hear the narrative. In future, please do this, then you can more clearly be be understood. The music ruined a good video.
I read up on BR and I heard they were kinda A holes when it came to steam preservation. I heard rumors that private owners are not allowed to operate their steam engines because they wanted everything "modern".
The ban on steam locomotives after BR got rid of steam in the late 1960s was removed sometime in the mid-1970s. The only loco that the steam ban did not apply to was Flying Scotsman, whose owner had got BR to agree to several runs as part of the purchase contract.
