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5 Open Cockpit Rec Kayaks Compared PART 2 On Water Comparison 

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On water comparison of the Old Town Loon, Old Town Sorrento, Liquidlogic Saluda, Wilderness Systems Pungo, Eddyline Sandpiper.
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@stevenhewett5038
@stevenhewett5038 Год назад
I know as a heavier paddler, the Loon 126 has done well by me and stood up well to wind and waves on Grand Traverse Bay.
@davidschultz2097
@davidschultz2097 3 месяца назад
6’2” 250, the Loon 126 is the perfect and most comfortable kayak for us bigger guys. I’m completely comfortable for a 10 hr day paddling. It’s not as fast as others but if you are looking for comfortable day touring the Loon rocks.
@wingmanhoy3999
@wingmanhoy3999 Год назад
As a newbie in this sport, I very much appreciate your professionalism and opinions on all boats tested, really great job on reviews, very enjoyable, all the very best, Happy Holidays.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Glad you like them!
@Joe-xq1nt
@Joe-xq1nt Год назад
I’ve heard you mention weights before and needing to actually weigh them. Please do! A short video of many of the actual weights verses advertised weight. Eddylines , wilderness systems, old town etc. Let’s see who’s being upfront and who’s wishing or guessing.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
I’ll try and get that going
@supporterofsanity
@supporterofsanity Год назад
Definitely! Weight is important to me as I get older and I like to know how much weight I am putting on my vehicle roof.
@ljoelmchanley3676
@ljoelmchanley3676 Год назад
The Eddyline and the Liquidlogic are just simply beautiful boats.
@robertuffman3041
@robertuffman3041 Год назад
we love our Jackson Trippers. we kayak small rivers mostly and a few small lakes. lexington, KY
@ChristopherErringtonPhoto
@ChristopherErringtonPhoto Год назад
I own 2 loons. 126 for me and 106 for my better half or a friend. I fish out of it occasionally but mostly use it for wildlife photography. I couldn’t be happier with it. I set up a tripod in it and I have zero concern about it tipping.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Very helpful. Thanks for the feedback
@steveprinty5674
@steveprinty5674 Год назад
I ordered a Sandpiper 130 two years ago without testing one. I love it. I get a LOT of compliments at Lodi Lake about how good it looks, (red over silver).
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
The Silver hull is beautiful. Stoked you’re enjoying it.
@tedgaddy7398
@tedgaddy7398 7 месяцев назад
Your review is spot on, I have one as my creek drop in to get through deeper polls, I hated the seat like you, I changed it to a low lawn chair style brooklin kayak seat, wow how great it is now, I also use a Jackson thermarest lumbar support . It’s light and works great for what I use it for , much to my surprise it paddles great, and tracks great too. And your correct it’s built great, my main kayak is a Jackson coosa HD, but for throughing in the truck in the Afternoon and hitting the water for short fishing is great, and I’m 64 yo…
@BobBohner4851
@BobBohner4851 Год назад
Please please please get the loon120 and append this video. It’s just not fair to compare a 10’ to a 12’ and you have the loon such a positive review I need to know how the loon 120 stacks up. Thanks for reading my comment. Super great content!!!!
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Noted!
@jefff7287
@jefff7287 Год назад
Great overall reviews and perspective. I had the Loon 120 and loved the boat. The one point to note I think in addition to what was mentioned is that its construction is 3-layer poly vs the others, which is why it is gray on the inside. Supposedly there is a foam middle layer which adds to the buoyancy.
@groovymoon
@groovymoon Год назад
@jeff7287, How's the vertical clearance for your feet. I have a 2017ish Pungo 120 and size 12 feet. They are a little cramped vertically.
@jefff7287
@jefff7287 Год назад
@@groovymoon I don't have the Loon anymore, but from what I recall it was good foot clearance (I wear a similar size)
@DeepBarney
@DeepBarney Год назад
I think it'd be interesting to see the 12' Sorento and Loon compared with others. Personally the Eddyline doesn't feel like it has a place in the comparison due to its extra length. A Sky 10 seems like the more apt comparison. Comparing the Sandpiper with the 12' versions of the other boats would be a more useful comparison. Granted I realize a lot of this is dictated by what you can get your hands on. Either way I appreciate the time and effort you put into this video. Thanks for the info.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Exactly. In a perfect would I’d have just matching boats, but it’s been a struggle to get the boats I need to make these videos possible. Thanks for watching
@Patriotic327
@Patriotic327 5 месяцев назад
Same here after the Dagger line. My 2nd choice would those 2 OTs. Dang that camo color angler really grabs my attention.
@troysnow3978
@troysnow3978 Год назад
Thank you! This is a great video! I’m really leaning towards a Pungo when I upgrade.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Good choice!
@Medawgoner
@Medawgoner Год назад
The Pungos now come in a 105, 120 and 125. WS phased out the 140 ~ 3 years ago , when they upgraded the line. The P140 was the Cadillac of rec. kayaks. Shame it was discontinued. The P140s now fetch a premium on the used market.
@alpintourer
@alpintourer Год назад
I love my 140!
@thomasjordan5533
@thomasjordan5533 9 месяцев назад
Wilderness systems doesn’t even show the Pungo 105 on their website anymore. Just 120 and 125 are available now. 😢
@Medawgoner
@Medawgoner 9 месяцев назад
Not Surprising. Pelican bought out Confluence Water Sports about 18 months ago. Confluence was the parent company to Wilderness, Perception and Dagger. Pelican also did away with the sale of spare parts. No replacements, if something breaks, No telling what will get slashed next. Most likely quality will suffer, in the name of profit. @@thomasjordan5533
@Kryogenikz15
@Kryogenikz15 Год назад
Thanks for all you do! Because of your videos, I ended up getting the Liquidlogic Saluda 12 last fall. I was debating between it and the Pungo, and after watching your video on the Saluda 12, I went to check one out at my local shop and there's just something about the shape and the performance of the Saluda that drew me to it.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Good choice! Glad the video helped.
@groovymoon
@groovymoon Год назад
GR8 video. I have a 2016-17 Pungo 120. I'd love an Eddyline but the rivers we run can be shallow in spots and we bounce off the bottom a lot.
@tomiam79
@tomiam79 Год назад
I have tried many kayaks and I have been wanting a more comfortable one. May have to try the Old Town Loon.
@skatermanxl195
@skatermanxl195 Год назад
Love my Loon 120 for recreational. So comfy for a whole day of being out. Extremely stable, you have to try to flip it if you want to. Sweet removable cockpit dashboard that is mostly waterproof. High weight capacity and great legroom for taller, larger folks or carrying gear. You're right tho, with extreme wind it is hard to keep straight and paddle against. Give me an Old Town seat in an Eddyline sit in and ill spend anything.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Agreed with that! Their seat is top notch!
@allonsy9808
@allonsy9808 Год назад
Don't get me wrong, I'm really impressed with everything I've learned about Eddyline as I've been researching for a new kayak. But...daaaang Eddyline, not ever a water bottle holder? LOL Great review! Thank you!
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Haha. I give them that feedback all the time.
@rodbrown8306
@rodbrown8306 4 месяца назад
The Eddyline foredeck is brilliant probably a flare in the bow would be a further improvement, just sets them apart imo. I have a similar type boat but poly, called a Mission 3.90 mt Catch made in New Zealand. For 220lb guy you look balanced in this boat not tail low as with some. The first boat the Old Town was also well balanced and a safe boat for beginners.
@stanleyheath5486
@stanleyheath5486 4 месяца назад
I love your video comparisons, the one thing I think you might remember when you talk about comfort and fit is that you're a big guy. It would be interesting if you sometimes had a smaller person get in and paddle to give feedback. I imagine women make up a good portion of your audience and probably purchase a good percentage of the kayaks you test. Keep up the great content.
@grantricketts4257
@grantricketts4257 Год назад
Really enjoy your content finally decided to subscribe. Picked up the Big Fish 105 about 6 months ago really fits my needs well and am looking forward to getting out again this year once it warms up. Thanks for the great videos!
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Thanks for the sub!
@groovymoon
@groovymoon 20 дней назад
No more Pungo 140's since 2018. To Bad I want one bad and they are $$$ on the used market. Own a Pungo 120 and paddled a Loon 126. The Loon is more stable, stiffer, less playful, and SLOWER. Waves over the bow is my one big complaint of the Pungo. I wouldn't trade my Pungo for a Loon. But, if I had bought a Loon first I probably would love it anyway. I SO want an Eddyline Sitka XT of Sandpiper 130.
@countywaterskayaking
@countywaterskayaking 14 дней назад
I've got 2x pungo 125s, 2x pungo 140s, and 2x 120 loons. Definitely prefer the pungos.
@rickspann9352
@rickspann9352 Год назад
Great review as always. I have watched your channel for several years and you have helped me purchase my kayaks and paddles...thanks. I am a Wilderness Pungo and Aquabound paddle fan and have several kayaks and paddles. You mention weight. I wish you would do a review on kayak and paddles advertised weights. My Pungo feels heavier then other 49lb kayaks. I have been lucky to find 2 thermoformed Pungo kayaks ( 2011 and 2015 ) which weigh in at 39lbs, a big difference. Unfortunately, Wilderness Systems does not make them any more. But weight is important especially at my age (mid 70's). Also the paddles, the advertised weight is always 2 to 5 ozs heavier than manufactures claim. A review of actual weight would be great. Thanks again for producing great videos
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Thanks for watching! I think an actual weight video would do very well.
@swimrski
@swimrski Год назад
Like comparing a bunch of steel frame bikes to a carbon fiber frame bike. If you're just going to be riding around the neighborhood with your family, the steel bikes will be absolutely fine. That said: My girlfriend has been enjoying kayaking for a couple of years. This past summer I finally went with her in one of her two 9' cheapest you can buy boats. I immediately felt how fun it could be, but it sure wasn't. Talk about working hard to go nowhere on a zig zag path. After watching a TON of your videos, I came away knowing at least one thing - yes, you can stay afloat on a 9' boat and propel yourself forward, but a longer boat was going to be a lot more fun, and if nothing nothing else, this better be fun. Your review videos were instrumental in me having some understanding about what I was looking at, so thank you. I did wind up buying a used Tsunami 125, which is a blast for a beginner like me. After she paddled around in it (and said wow and oh my) I gave it to my girlfriend and bought an old fiberglass 15' Cape Horn which is both alarmingly tippy and comparatively fast, and we've had way more fun on the water this way If over the next year or so this becomes more than a sometimes activity, we probably will look into the Eddyline boats. Let's face it, they also look real nice 😄.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
That’s awesome to hear. A good kayak makes the sport so much more fun!
@ianpeterman5162
@ianpeterman5162 Год назад
Great comparison review. Would love to see an apples to apples on water review of the Pungo 125 and the Loon 126!
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Me too!
@SteveHarrellRally
@SteveHarrellRally Год назад
Any chance we could see more skeg boats? I'm primarily a river guy so skeg boats are my ideal since they provide both tracking and agility.
@JonnyFlash80
@JonnyFlash80 Год назад
I'd love to see you review the Loon 120. For my 2nd kayak purchase it's between this, or the Pungo 120, or the Dagger Axis 120 right now. Surprisingly the Loon is about $150 CAD more than the Axis or the Pungo at my local outfitter.
@waynobots
@waynobots 27 дней назад
I bought a Sandpiper 130 with slight damage from Idaho Water Sports for $800. Wish it had the Pungo dashboard.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak 27 дней назад
Level Six has a nice nylon dash coming out this year.
@flushot6513
@flushot6513 Год назад
I know you can take on lot of water with it more cutting through I had my 105 on lake not that big but wind is always blowing so waves were pretty rough and Hitting from side and coming into cockpit lol but was fun surprised that didn't flip me loved it skip winter and go back to water
@chiefenumclaw7960
@chiefenumclaw7960 Год назад
Very helpful, much obliged.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
You're welcome!
@toymastertoyman
@toymastertoyman 4 месяца назад
Thank you learned alot just watching your channel. Question for you whats gonna be better Pungo or the dagger axis. Thanks
@RJB
@RJB Год назад
As someone who owns the Loon I wish they would have molded in slots toward the front of the cockpit to rest the paddle in.
@The66Leadfoot
@The66Leadfoot Год назад
Please review the Loon 120 and the Loon 126. The Loon 120 is 1" narrower and has a 2" lower deck than both the Loon 106 and 126.
@onanysundrymule3144
@onanysundrymule3144 9 месяцев назад
Great review Sir. I have an old town otter at 9'6" long, and I love it for tidal inlets and creeks exploration. My partner has an otter too and we love to do the inshore saltwater thing. I really fancy a Sandpiper too though, probably at 130 long, but I have no idea if anyone distributes them in the UK. Kind regards.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak 9 месяцев назад
I can try to find out. I’m sure Eddyline has a UK distributor.
@onanysundrymule3144
@onanysundrymule3144 9 месяцев назад
@@HeadwatersKayak Oh, that would be great, thankyou so much Sir.
@angelmartinez-lz1ic
@angelmartinez-lz1ic Год назад
There are no loons near me but there are a few vapor 12’. Does anybody know how they compare?
@paddy_cakes
@paddy_cakes 7 месяцев назад
Great review!
@waynobots
@waynobots 5 месяцев назад
Wish the Sandpiper had a metal rail to attach a gopro mount. Like the pungo pod has.
@peterbedford2610
@peterbedford2610 Месяц назад
Someday, I'm gonna break down and buy an eddyline.
@TXGirl6
@TXGirl6 Год назад
Great video, have you ever reviewed the WS Tsunami 125 or larger?
@jimfromoregonusa9899
@jimfromoregonusa9899 Год назад
Excellent!!
@johnmartin2597
@johnmartin2597 23 дня назад
I have a Sandpiper 130 and I’d like,e to see someone do a self-rescue with it. I haven’t found the solution yet. A heel hook is complicated by the fact the seat back does not fold down flat and out of the way. Thinking of 😢…..
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak 23 дня назад
It’s a harder boat to rescue in. Really takes assistance if your in open water. With that said it’s also tougher to tip over.
@glyn829
@glyn829 Год назад
Good review thanks 👍
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@user-ch3px8er2i
@user-ch3px8er2i Год назад
Hello! I know you didn't have a Point65 KingFisher. Is it suitable for fishing in the sea or better PELICAN SENTINEL 100XP ANGLER?
@curtismiller591
@curtismiller591 2 месяца назад
I've been going back to fourth for a month on the Pungo 125 or the Loon 126. Any advice to which one I should go with; I tend to like to kayak on calm lakes and currently using a Sound 120 XE. I mainly just like to get out on the water and exercise while kayaking but i do enjoy speed. Thanks so much for any input anyone can give.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak 2 месяца назад
I would say buy whatever is available at your local shop. They’re both great
@joeymoon4390
@joeymoon4390 Год назад
I’m a big fan of eddyline. There great boats that look amazing. I would like to see your thoughts and review on water of the Sitka LT. I was debating on that or the equinox. Haven’t seen many lt reviews online with video. You give the best reviews so it makes it easier to narrow down choices
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
I believe I have one. A comparison to the Equinox would be good. I like the LT way more. It’s almost as stable and so much more capable. I actually took my ACA Level 3 exam in a Sitka Lt years ago.
@Joe-xq1nt
@Joe-xq1nt Год назад
It’s like most things. Want more pay more. The Sitka costs hundreds more so one would assume it would offer more.
@waynobots
@waynobots 5 месяцев назад
Pungo has a sunskirt also
@BigE1986
@BigE1986 Год назад
So I have a wilderness systems pungo 125 and my friend has a loon 120 in my and others experience the wilderness systems tracks better than the loon
@jtaylor7572
@jtaylor7572 Год назад
So how would a sea skirt work for these? Or is that not an option?
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
It would be hard to put on, but would keep your legs dry. They also make lap skirts to keep paddle splash off.
@mikkelherskind8290
@mikkelherskind8290 Год назад
Did you try the longer version of the Loon yet? I’m considering buying it, but I’m not entirely certain😉
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
No video on it, but I’ve paddled it and it’s sweet. You will not be disappointed
@mikkelherskind8290
@mikkelherskind8290 Год назад
Thanks mate! Cheers from Denmark ;)
@Levi-xg1fz
@Levi-xg1fz Год назад
I just picked up a used Pelican Intrepid Angular in amazing condition. First kayak. Have you come across this model at all? Thoughts?
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
I have not but Pelican sells the same Kayak under 50 different names to every box store in the country. It’s probably the same hull as most others
@sidilicious11
@sidilicious11 11 месяцев назад
I have the Pelican Intrepid with two holes for fishing poles, so maybe it’s the same boat. It’s my first kayak and I like it so far.
@Levi-xg1fz
@Levi-xg1fz 10 месяцев назад
@@sidilicious11 just took out for the first time a couple weeks ago. It was great. My only gripe is the plastic rivets holding the knee protectors on. On a down stoke with the paddle, my pinky finger nail caught one of those and just about pulled my nail off. Going to have to find a way to cover those up.
@sidilicious11
@sidilicious11 10 месяцев назад
@@Levi-xg1fz ouch! I’ll check mine to make sure that doesn’t happen. I’ve used mine about 20 times on a couple lake excursions, on some slews with minor current, some rivers, and even have gone through some rapids big enough to get my adrenaline going, but probably only class 1.
@ajpend
@ajpend Год назад
If we’re calling each of these an “open cockpit” kayak, what are we calling a LiteTackle or a CK1 Venture? Genuinely curious what the language would be.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Sit on tops kayaks.
@ajpend
@ajpend Год назад
@@HeadwatersKayak I appreciate it.
@Nightshift12482
@Nightshift12482 Год назад
Would you say that the Dagger Axis is the top of the crossover boats?
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
For a Rec kayak that can do some solid class two it’s the best.
@Nightshift12482
@Nightshift12482 Год назад
@@HeadwatersKayak I'm torn between the Axis and the Liquidlogic remix xp10. Lots of creek, ponds and the Niagara River to put in up here in WNY. I want to relegate my Pelican Trailblazer to flatwater buddyboat duty. I was thinking about the Old Town Sorrento, but after this review, I don't think it would be a good fit for me.
@griffshark
@griffshark Год назад
Do you have access to Current Design kayaks out there? I'm in MN and CD is the main line that my outfitter carries. I would like to know how you compare them to the Pungo and Eddyline.
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
I don’t have many nice things to say about the Solera by CD. It tracks terrible and the seat is not built to last. I had them for a year in my outfitter fleet and they were so Squirrley.
@girlinvt
@girlinvt 4 месяца назад
My best friend had a Current Design its a nice boat. The model she had was a bit heavier and had a skeg. I had just purchased my Eddyline Sandpiper. I start Kayaking at ice out, so the Sandpiper can be cold, her Current design was much warmer. I just tossed a towel down. It depends on what you like and how you kayak. The Eddylines are Cadillacs, light weight and built to last if cared for. Mine is close to 20 yrs old and still looks great. Ive had it on Lake Champlain in 3 to 4 foot waves its a stable boat and had no issues. My friend bought an Eddyline Skylark a month after I bought mine and sold her CD. She kayaked until she was 78 in that Skylark
@HipOperation99
@HipOperation99 Год назад
How do you film the paddling shots? Also, can you compare each kayak to a car? Would the Pungo be a Honda Accord?
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Yes with leather seats and a butt warmer.
@steveprinty5674
@steveprinty5674 Год назад
@@HeadwatersKayak I also would like to see how you film these videos. But, maybe you don’t want to give the competition any secrets. Well, I don’t think you even have any competition. ☺️
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
@@steveprinty5674 haha it's no secret. Seth is using a Sony hand held camera and a pedal drive. He has a steady hand and a keen eye for quality.
@darlenesnow304
@darlenesnow304 Год назад
Have you reviewed the Aspire 105?
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
No
@mikeschrader6052
@mikeschrader6052 Год назад
How does the Bonafide EX123 compare?
@HeadwatersKayak
@HeadwatersKayak Год назад
Higher stability, slower speed more build towards fishing. It is a very comfortable craft to be in all day. Just not super efficient.
@AhhBigWilly
@AhhBigWilly Год назад
Lionel Messi!! World cup hero!
@LJ-jq8og
@LJ-jq8og Год назад
💪❤🙏
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