I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the ru-vid.comUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.
My preference for a “do all” LR/precision scope is 3-15X. I have multiples of 3-15 and 5-25X (Steiner), but I grab the 3-15X equipped rifles most frequently, for the points you made.
My favorite video on RU-vid, new to bolt action and scopes, baught my teenage son a Bergara b14 HMR wilderness 308 for his bday and bought him a vortex diamondback 4-16x44 and after a bunch of research I was beginning to stress thinking I waisted 3 or 4 hundred (whatever it was) cause I should’ve got the 6-24 because hopefully we’ll be getting into shooting a few hundred yards, I feel a lil to a lot of relief after watching this video, perfect timing with a perfect affect, thanx bud.
They had a $100 off sale for Vets on Veterans day, I wanted the 4X16 but they were out of stock, so I ended up with the 6X24 on my RPR in 6 mm Creedmore. Its just a range toy, not used for any critical work so it doesn't really matter. Haven't mounted it yet, but just examining it in hand in impressed. I do think most shooters today want too much power, I'm quite content with a straight 10X , it's what I'm used too. But I'm an old retired Army Hi-Power competition shooter who has shot many a long range 600 & 1000 yd match with iron sights with no rest allowed except a sling or a cuff depending on whether I was shooting an M14 (sling) in service rifle or my pre-64 Model 70 bull gun (cuff) in match rifle class. If you can do that you can shoot a 1000 yrs with a 4X scope
I have a Gen 1 Sig Sauer Tango 4 in 4-16x44 with the grey body, so far of all the scopes I’ve bought it’s been my favorite. It’s clear, tracks precisely even for a Gen 1 and has just as much if not more clarity than a vortex viper. Love the 4 power in the 243 when practicing for silhouette Varmint, for the close range shots and going to 945 yards I can easily see the bullet trace and hits even at 14x or 12x. I’m looking at the Arken for another build, and the Bushnell match pro 6-24x50 for a CZ 457. Bushnell having the ability to adjust parallax down to 10yards is great. Love your videos, and completely understand why you enjoy the 4-16x scope mine sig is awesome in that magnification range.
Under field conditions the 16X is about the most that can be used because of mirage. Higher the magnification the higher the optical quality needed. Save the higher magnification for paper punching at closer ranges even then on a Brite sunny day , mirage can be like looking in a pot of boiling water.
I have a 4-16 PA SLX MIL dot and waiting on my 6-24 SH4, but the scopes won't really compare lol But my reason is largely the same for magnification. What I am putting the scope on matters, and with the rifle the 6-24 is going on is not something I would generally look at less than 600-800 yards with. Though possible, I plan using it at distance. Though tube diameter also helps in field of view. 30mm is also more narrow and lets less light in, while 35mm gets more detail and clarity out to extreme distances. Check out sniper 101 from Tibosuarus Rex on that info. Or it's something close to that. But that's one consideration of course. It really does depend on use in my own opinion. If I were to go to a competition where I wasn't planning to go past certain distances and needed fast target aquisition, then yeah a 4-16 would be on that list. But something where I would be shooting much further, then I would definitely want something to help me reach out.
It seems like the Arken 4-16 is quite a bit better than the 6-24. I was ready to go with 6-24 on my Ruger PRS in 6mm Creedmoor but now I am going with the 4-16. Both scopes are better than my abilities. lol.
I just purchased the 6-24x50. My question for you is: When shooting for groups at 100 yards, do you go for max zoom or do you lower the zoom to lets say a mid point around 12 to 16X?. I do have two scopes, one is the PA 4-14x44 and the Arken EP4 Gen 2 6-24x50. With the Primary Arms I use max to 14x and it shoots very good. But I think the 24x on the Arken may be a bit much to do 24x. It feels the target move a lot more / more sensitive to movement. Am I right in saying this?
Cheers for this. I'm brand new to long range shooting and thought maybe I'd be missing out by not opting for the 6-24x vs a 4-16x. I'm looking at a pretty good deal (I think) on a Vortex Diamondback 4-16x.
I would be interested in how they stack up in the overlapping range: 6-16x. Are they functionally identical in that range, or does the 6-24x make compromises to hit those higher magnifications?
@@jakubkonecny4553 When comapring two optical sighting system with different variations of zoom but an identical mechanical turret and housing in dimensions you are losing FOV, adding more chromatic aberration, visual artefacts and distortion under low visibility as well as losing eye relief. Take for example a PM2 3-12, spectacular glass and FOV, switch to a 5-25 you are going to cut in half the FOV from 5-8 due to tunneling effect of the zoom mechanism since it is compressed in a too short tube for the technology we had at the time in crystals and turret erectors. The same goes for NX8 4-28
I've been conflicted about which of these two zoom ranges to put on a 20" 6.5 Grendel. This video not only cleared it up for me, but also introduced me to a scope company I'll have to check out. I've been a big Vortex fan, but the Arken's feature set blows Vortex away, especially at comparable prices. Now to find out if they're reliable and durable.
Just browsing RU-vid and I thought your voice was familiar… then I saw the channel I was watching. I frequent the west desert wheeler channel as well. two shared hobbies. I like it.
I have the 6-24x on my rimfire bench rest set up. Stock is also laminate so it’s quite a heavy set up. But I love my Arken scope so much, I’m considering getting the 4-16x for a .223 for a hunting rig. Polymer stock .223 with 4-16x Arken, would this be considered a light enough set up to cruise around with all day slung over the shoulder?
when hunting, a 6x min zoom is way to high for ranges up to 100 meters and at 50 its almost useless as you cant really expect to adjust focus at a fly - close shots are fast shots. 4 is a compromise but works and is regarded as the best magnification for swedish hunting. 6 or higher are limited to few situations and range-work.
I was just out with my cousin yesterday-he has an RPR in 6.5 topped with a 10-40! I told him to try a group at 16x and see if it was better and it was lol. He hates hearing that.
Generally i like low power scopes, especially the eye box. However it is completely dependant on target size and color and mirage. Ill take 32 x for a prairie dog with no mirage but mirage or a big orange target 14 x is more than enough.
I have the 6-24 and no I won't trade it for the 4-16. Don't need the extra field of view, 1 oz. won't kill me and I like the look of the longer scope. Oh and I paid $400 for mine when they first came out. I would consider the 4-16 if it was second focal plane with a little thicker reticle for hunting.
Yeah I'm all for being patient but I'll never buy another one. Other good companies that would NEVER have 6+ month wait that keeps changing every time you get close to being your ship date
@@tcmoney1321 I finally got mine last week and took it to the range this weekend. If they can get their supply lines worked out it's an awesome scope for the money.
@@tcmoney1321 mine was ordered in march and it's already shipping. Ahead of the estimated wait time. Some of you love to act like the covid delays are still a thing.
These scopes are not for old 69-year-old eyes; a four hundred dollars scopes will not come with quality glass; better glass is the call turret second. Vortex Viper PST 3-15x44mm FFP.
Great video lots of great information I just picked up 2 scopes a 3-18x50 and a 4-14x44 love them. And for new guy’s & girls to the sport a good scope matters. For whatever reason I spent a total of 800 bucks on both scopes. And my groups instantly shrank from the vortex I was using.
For offhand shots when hunting or plinking. 4x power is the highest I would go because for me anything higher than 4x the wobble is magnified more so that it makes the shot harder.
Hi,Logan. Can you tell me what rings you have on both of those scopes. The ones on top look nice and beefy with the wide rings. I've been looking for something like those but with 20 moa. Thanks and great informative video. -Wade
I had a 20" tv when i was young...that was plenty....i have a 65" today....i now shoot with the Zeiss 4,8-35 and i like to bye the March 10-60 x56 for my next scope...i generly newer shoot below 15x when i shoot...but i like zoom...and i thing it is an old NATO word to say that zoom isnt good.. i can shoot a mile whit 10x like the Rambo gyes...but can you really see the target whit 10x
My fave is right inbetween! Love my XTR2 4-20x50. But I agree, I tend to lean to 4-16 over 6-24x scopes. Eye box, size, and FOV are so much more important to me than magnification. I never go further than 1100 yards, so anything over 15x isnt really needed! Aside from target shooters, I find that an easy way to tell an experienced shooter from a new one, is that new shooters tend to gravitate towards high magnification over other features when they buy a new scope!
I’m brand new and was interested in the arken sh4 to put on my ruger precision 22lr. Goal is to get to 300 yards. Is the 4-16 better than the 6-24? Any help would be great.
@@thelion4921 Hey there! Both models will work just fine for your purpose! And Arken makes excellent scopes for the money. You dont need anything more than the 4-16, however, for .22lr, which makes rather small holes in paper, and barely noticeable marks in steel, you may find that the 6-24 makes it easier to see your hits. But if a 6-24 stretches your budget, you could do just fine with a 4-16, especially if you only plan to shoot steel targets!
So I'm watching this as a newbie stepping past 400 yds with 223, I got a Christensen MPR in 6.5 creedmoor to stretch things out. You said at minute mark 6.19 you went with the 24 x for 6mm creedmoor, Would you suggest the that someone after a personnel best from 1000 yards,1400 yards and beyond....?
In my experience, using the same zoom of 16x (for example) on a 6-26x is way better than in a 4-16x, witch'd be on the maximum light that the glass can give you
I mean most of the top shooters in PRS run 5-25 or 7-35. Certainly the magnification range depends on the task but for all around 5-25 can certainly do it all. There’s no definitive answer to this question
To be fair PRS competitors don’t have the issue of targets showing up 20-50 yards away, and usually don’t have the issue of moving targets. Some things to consider for hunting or other applications
@@aidanorcutt8442 PRS definitely has moving targets and close range targets. Not every match. The other thing I’ve found is that in a 5-25, the sweet spot is at 15-18x for clarity. Optics typically don’t have the best clarity when maxed out. So a 4-16 at 16x is leaving clarity on the table. Regardless, to each their own. I’ve hit 600 yard targets with irons 😂 it’s all personal preference
Plus the 4-16 has a lot more internal elevation. You want to put on a 60 moa base on my .308 and got my 100 yd zero and can dial 122 moa. Really good scope for price. Glass isn’t great but for $400 can’t complain too much
Live in the U.K. and we have strict firearm regs. Got some 12 ft per lb springer rifles and good pistols but may go for my fac liecence where cal, unlimited mag size and silencers don't matter. Shame we can't open or concealed carry over here though. Love you Yanks. Take care and ATB my brothers. Love to all fro the suppressed U.K. 💥
I use the S&B PMII 5-25x56 FFP with the MSR reticle. The only time I go above 10x is when milling targets for unknown distances and when shooting groups at the range for a new load. 10x is enough for any distance for me, primarily for target transition reasons. But it helps with chromatic aberrations that gets worse for me if zooming in high contrast areas and also getting parallax free. Another benefit is that your small shakes does not get exaggerated at 10x = you will not overcompensate for them = more shaking. Yet another benefit is that you have a much higher chance of spotting your trace and then compensating for wind. Especially important if target is where no splash will happen.
My Leupold 4.5-16 M1 is far superior to my Leupold 6.5-20 M1. More compact, clearer optics, less parallax error and more elevation adjustment. The extra 4x magnification isn't worth it.
What height is the burris mount? i have the 6-24 and still need a 34mm mount and i know the gas plug in bottom sticks out a bit so scope will not mount on every mount out there. I'm local in WVC if you want to sell something too
While I have to say that in my opinion, this is not really a review of these scopes, but of magnification in general. The major difference is that I say heavier glass usually translates to much better high magnification imagery. Logan, I wish I could show you my high magnification, 40mm tube IOR Valdada scopes. ps- I ordered a new uintah ar10 in 6.5 cm about five weeks ago and you did sell me on those barrels, too.
Literally just slapped a PA 4-16 glx mil dot on a 6arc upper. I was highly considering the Arken 4-16 sh4 gen2 but I’m glad I went with the pa. So lightweight.
Glx has a lot of nice upgrades from glass to turrets. I have the SLX and it does it's job. But zero stops would be an awesome addition. Waiting for my SH4 to ship so it'll be an interesting comparision. Definitely SLX is not a scope past 1k, but it's an awesome learning tool.
i don't agree, of course it's my opinion, but i like high magnification scopes, but yeah no need for so much zooming and most of the time i stay arround 12 to 18 , so i will be sure to try more the 4-16
@@WestDesertShooter of coursee i did try it a good amount more clear glass and good wheight reduction so hell yeah, and thank you for showing us that, soo cool and great and helpfull🤗🤗🤗
@@WestDesertShooter valid point. I do have a 1-8 on my AR15 come to think of it. I guess it just depends on the intent for each rifle. I upgraded from my 6-24 to the 4.5-30 for a few reasons. But the weight of that rifle doesn’t matter. (Well I guess it does since I added a weight kit to it) but I won’t be hiking with it
I was conflicted on which to buy; pulled the trigger on the 6-24. I was concerned you would say something in this video that would make me regret it; false alarm.
Bro.... stfu!!! West desert wheeler!!! I just found this video and as soon as I heard your voice i was like.. what??? Seen the name amd boom!!! Good to see you bubba! Just finshed my 10.2 comp build, went with it cause your rock pirates build. Anyway on topic. Buying an arken tomorrow, using on my 6.5 to shoot 1k plus. This caught my eye. Subscribed. Good stuff man. Arken scopes are sick!
Most of these points are moot, other than the base magnification. Even then, not like 4-6x is that much of a difference anyways. Better to have and not use the 24x than to be limited and not have it.
16 week backorder on Arken Optics? I cant wait that long, season will be over by then. Hell, even six months ago, they were 6-8 week backorder. Makes me wonder about their production process.
Depends on what caliber and environmental conditions, along with elevation. I'm curious what his is, but mine is around 97moa on an average day at 700 elevation out of 6.5 creedmoor running 2610fps with 140eldm
A 4-16 and 6-24 are both dated mag ranges. I prefer 5-25 or my current scope, 4-28. Fov compared at 4x to 6x is very marginal especially at longer ranges. Also I would rather give up a small precentage of fov for 10x more high end mag for spotting, identification etc and in general its good to have. But I agree that especially for budget guns lower mag will give better image quality
How does the 6-24x and the 4-16x compare at the (6x to 16x) magnification range? Are there any noticeable clarity, resolution or other differences in the two scopes at ("common"/shared) magnification ranges? Thanks for your time.
That's why I purchase 6-24 variants of Athlon, Riton and looking at the Arken 6-24x50. Since they use the same glass, I assume the zoom is determined by distance between lenses as the throw lever is rotated. That must be why the 6-24 is an inch longer???. Either way I usually shoot around 12-16 and crank up to 24 for spotting duty so I'd love to get a comparison of the optics at 16x
@@larrydecker881 The reason I ask is because a few years back I purchased several 1st Generation, 1 inch tubed Bushnell Drop Zone AR Optics [ (3) 4.5-18x40 & (2) 3-12x40]. I fully expect scopes in that price range to have a "drop off" at maximum magnification. The cheaper Bushnells are usually good for 90% to 95% of their magnification ranges. The 3-12x40's are worth every penny I paid for them, however, the 4.5-18x40's are so much better to my eyes through common magnification ranges (4.5-12x) and beyond (up to 18x; min & max magnification) . Even the turrets feel better for some reason. I only wished that I had purchased only the 4.5-18x40's.
@@OC_Lofton I've always heard good things about Bushnell AR optics. And i love finding a winner among all the $150-$350 optics. I would like to see the 16x comparison because I am considering the Arken sh4 and I wasn't sure if I'd get better glass out of the 4-16. But if it's the same glass just longer adjustment range then I'll stick with my original plan of a 6-24x50, I really want to try those fat turrets on a 34mm tube. I enjoy the engineering side of optics as much as I enjoy shooting a fine rifle.
I don't know I do a lot better in light gun 1000yd benchrest with the 8-80×56mm March X on my light gun than I do with my unlimited gun with my 15-55×52mm nightforce competition.
No 6....Higher magnification in Africa, or warmer climatic conditions beyond say 10 or 12X is useless. This is due to heat mirage distortion. A Swarovski spotting scope for example cannot be used effectively in warm conditions beyond 25X ( So even the best quality optics are limited by ambient temperatures at higher magnification) My 10c worth
This is exactly the info I was looking for. I'm sold on the Arken but I was not sure which magnification to choose. I am new shooter and I getting a .25 FX Impact. I can't see ever even attempting to shoot past 125yards (and that would be super super super rare) I'd say 40-100 yard will be where I'll be shooting. Is the 4-16X the better option for me? Thank you in advance.
Kevinwood44 I've got the 6-24 on my .25 aea varmint pcp it's tuned to shoot 28 grain slugs at 1000fps. I've downed birds cleanly out to 200 yards I love this scope perfect for my airgun
@@danieldyck2576 I actually ended up getting the Athlon Midas Tac 6-24x50 APLR4. I did not want to wait 3-4 months for the Arken. My next scope will likely be the Tract Toric or Delta Stryker. But I LOVE the Athlon. I think it has the best reticle of any scope out there. I could upgrade to the Athlon Cronus too, but the Tract is so sick. I hear great things about the Arken. Especially for the price, impressive!!
Kevin Wood 44 I got my arken in less than a week for 450$ but that athlon does look pretty sweet. My only gripe I've got on my arken is the weight 36 once but I got use to it quick my aea varmint pcp is only 7lb so it's not too bad. What does that athlon way in your gun setup?
@Kevin Wood 44 my setup is cheap 1050$ scope and gun for a 200 yard gun no it won't do what do what fx regulated guns can do. But it can reach out to 200 yards with acurarcy the main difference is it doesn't get the shot count like your fx
If the glass is the same on both scopes and glarity is the main thing for you, i would go with the bigger magnification. This is because you have more to play with on the top end, and you never really use the 4x anyway in precision shooting. You would still have the same glarity as the smaller mag one up to 16x and after that imperfections get magnified. People have to remember that bigger magnification doesn't mean worse glass, it means you can see the imperfections of the same glass better. Not that you really need the 24x, but you have the option for zeroing or something like that. Check the following video from 5:15 onwards. I'm not quite sure if that applies to cheaper scopes but still something to consider and something people don't normally know ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Kd8ZD-G1QFM.html
@@WestDesertShooter let's be honest, your just trying to help Arkin sell the 4-16s because everyone is backordering the 6-24s 😂😂😂 jk man, love your videos and skills!
@@WestDesertShooter I just tried my arken epl4 focusing on cars an tacking em an mine is 6x24x50 I turned it from 6 x to 8 simulating the difference 4x and 6x mag turned it from 6 to 8 an an its harder to track em moving less fov eyebox all that but I find x24 usable for varmint work an I shoot airguns a lot so I mean il get 2 4x16 for hunting an another 2 6x24 for more varmint oriented work.
Help. Have you or anyone else here noticed this problem? "Why l'll never use the Arken SH4 Gen 2 4-16x50mm scope." RU-vid The Social regressive. Scroll forward to the 12-minute mark. Perhaps the Japanese glass is better? He returned one of his Scopes and they gave him another one it was a little bit better but still not usable. Have you noticed any problems shooting in bright sunlight chromatic aberration?
The only times I would want the 6-24x would be varminting with a low-recoil rifle or for some slow-fire precision target shooting. Your reasons are dead-on.
@@WestDesertShooter You aren't crazy. All my AR's have low power optics because I hunt with them. My bolt guns have high power optics because my bolt guns are heavy target rigs.
I bought the 4x16 gen 2 and after zeroing in my crosshairs were at a diagonal.I got a refund from Amazon.I have 20 yr old 100 dollar scopes that have never had a problem.
