5 Reasons The Smart Home Hub Is Dead

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Which smart home hub is best? Which smart home system should you buy? Probably none of them! Whether you own Samsung Smartthings or Philips Hue or Hive this is the end of your Smart Home hub! Since the latest Amazon Echo now has a built in Zigbee hub Amazon have crushed the smart home market. Amazon's Alexa routines are now so powerful that smart home devices such as Wifi motion sensors and Zigbee door sensors will both work directly with Alexa without the need of a Smart Home hub such as Philips Hue or Samsung Smartthings.
Philips Hue and Samsung Smartthings will soon be a thing of the past as Amazon release new Echo products and include built in Zigbee functionality into every device. The Google Nest hub isn't a hub at all, and Google Zigbee hubs simply don't exist. This was a mistake and Google have lost the Smart home race.
Connected Home Over IP is on the horizon, and is further evidence that the industry is moving back to a hubless Wifi Smart Home. Philips Hue and Samsung will almost certainly begin to manufacturer Smart home devices to work with the Amazon Echo directly and will abandon the smart home hub altogether and it's going to happen sooner than you think.
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@paulhibbert 3 года назад

Install Raid for Free ✅ IOS/ANDROID/PC: clcr.me/sr8FxB and get a special starter pack 💥 Available only for the next 30 days ! Happy Saturday everyone! Change my mind 🤣 ... Since the latest Amazon Echo now has a built in Zigbee hub Amazon have crushed the smart home market. Amazon's Alexa routines are now so powerful that smart home devices such as Wifi motion sensors and Zigbee door sensors will both work directly with Alexa without the need of a Smart Home hub such as Philips Hue or Samsung Smartthings. Smartthings are already backing out of the market, and Philips have been working closely with Amazon to push their bulbs. Philips Hue and Samsung Smartthings will soon be a thing of the past as Amazon release new Echo products and include built in Zigbee functionality into every device. The Google Nest hub isn't a hub at all, and Google Zigbee hubs simply don't exist. This was a mistake and Google have lost the Smart home race. Connected Home Over IP is on the horizon, and is further evidence that the industry is moving back to a hubless Wifi Smart Home. Philips Hue and Samsung will almost certainly begin to manufacturer Smart home devices to work with the Amazon Echo directly and will abandon the smart home hub altogether and it's going to happen sooner than you think. Am I wrong? Yell angrily at me in the comments 😉

@saihaan.z6768 3 года назад

I think u r absolutely right Paul

@newbiesmarthome1709 3 года назад

Any chance you can review the new brilliant smart nexus ultimate hub

@davewood5387 3 года назад

Another good one, Paul. I think you could be right too. Keep em coming sir..

@Anthony-ym6iz 3 года назад

Hi Paul. I'm moving house shortly and planning my home automation already. One thing that occurs to me is the need for decent battery powered LED strips to avoid ugly wires in areas that don't have a 13 amp socket. Have you reviewed any solutions such as battery powered smart lighting? Cheers.

@PatonCavaney 3 года назад

That Star Wars skit was a bit long but it deserves a Like :)

@LadyRenira 3 года назад

So, can you recommend a smart bin that will be able to tell me how much money I'll be throwing away? 😂😳😭

@KristjanB 3 года назад

And this is why I decided on Home Assistant and basic WiFI components. Ohhh Home Assistant!!! Home Assistant!!!

@geoken2 3 года назад

Choip needs to exist because there needs to be a language for how hubs will talk to devices. Right now there are HomeKit supporting devices, and Alexa, and google home, and iftttt, etc. Those are all different languages that describe how a hub/service will talk to a device. As a bulb maker, you need to program your bulb to individually understand all those language (or at least all the ones you want to support). With CHOIP, there will be a defined language. So as a bulb maker, it will be a lot easier to create a bulb that just works with everything.

@MarkUpcraft 3 года назад

Are you telling me my "ohhhhh the zigbee" t-shirt will soon be obsolete, and I will need to upgrade to a "ohhhhh the choip" t-shirt? How dare you disable my services and make me upgrade??? 😂😂

@TheCelticbeast 3 года назад

"Oh the hue-bris".

@gereccius 3 года назад

Corporate greed!!!

@jwaggonr 3 года назад

They'll be come cult classic's that own nerds get.

@stepheng8779 3 года назад

Last night I heard my Mama singing this song, oooo-eeee chirpy chirpy choip choip

@merkylaw8899 3 года назад

Just bought a house, binged most of your recent videos. Purchased the Amazon Echo, planning to buy some Zigbee Gu10 spotlights, "Oooh the Zigbee" has entered everyday vocabulary. Life is good.

@danealexandrianjones6157 3 года назад

I've literally been building my smart home based solely on advice from this channel, so do me a favor and don't be wrong. (I don't think you are. 😉) Great video.

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

Haha, thanks mate. I shall try not to be!

@AlexManMe 3 года назад

Other memes will go away, but corporate greed will never go away :-)

@mrdavidjk 3 года назад

don't forget ooo the zigbee

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

I fear you are right. 😂

@AlexManMe 3 года назад

@@mrdavidjk sadly, that might go one day as well

@AlexManMe 3 года назад

@@paulhibbert oi Paul are you on Clubhouse yet? Join the elite, we can go into rooms, smoke cigars and decide on what yachts to buy

@raflyabdurrasyid1124 3 года назад

A sad truth

@sylwestersuchecki9034 3 года назад

I think we are forgetting about one hub that may survive this war. After Paul's video(s) on IFTTT (I love both of them) I realized something important and started my journey with home assistant. This community recently released hub called "blue" ("raspberry Pi on steroids" with stable SSD memory) - which I think could compete with "corporate greed". Thank you Paul for your videos. Stay safe everyone and be kind to each other!

@grimani 3 года назад

All the more reason to stick with Home Assistant. Everything (eventually, mostly) works.

@bengrocott1265 3 года назад

That and the humping

@DirtyDogHydrobath 3 года назад

I don’t know what’s better the Star Wars reference or the fact you own a red squadron helmet 😍

@ArbyCreations 3 года назад

All I heard was "its time to switch to home assistant" And I fully agree with you :)

@nachtschatt3n 3 года назад

home assistant the diva of home automation: demanding, complicated and moody ... there is also iobroker or openhab to try :)

@DanTuckerSails 3 года назад

@@nachtschatt3n Kinda like the crazy girlfriend. It is GREAT when all is going well

@silk2949 3 года назад

I watched you, Brian, Craig and Reed last year to choose which way I was going to begin my smart home journey. And continue to watch all of you to keep up to date. Ended up going with Alexa all the way. Yup, all my eggs in one basket! Must admit I questioned why I needed a hub when I looked at gadgets. There are now soooooo many products that work with Alexa it was easy. We have over 50 devices running now and honestly have had very few issues. Routines have worked wonderfully. Latest purchases are the Taotronics routers to handle everything, everywhere (great range with two of them.....right out to my husbands woodworking shop). And the Eufy battery operated security cameras. No hub! Not needed! Thank you for all the work you have done to make my smart life easier!

@RobStarsinger 3 года назад

Loved watching Facebook comments in Home Automation groups today to this.. the hate is real.. Your characterisations are just too accurate..Keep it up mate 😊

@kloakovalimonada 3 года назад

I laugh in my Home Assistant with a $5 zigbee stick.

@Matt_H_ 3 года назад

OpenHAB with a ZWave Dongle and an Alexa hub here. Waiting for a decent Bluetooth 5+ dongle to be released and then I have everything I need.

@MichaelGisiger 3 года назад

Same here, plus ESPHome.

@dinkleberg794 3 года назад

I want home assistant but the main thing that turns me off about it is the $5/month subscription if i want Alexa/Google integration

@kloakovalimonada 3 года назад

@@dinkleberg794 I understand but it's still probably much cheaper than the alternatives

@BrianRoy86 3 года назад

@@dinkleberg794 you can do it for free, just takes a little know how. There’s good tutorials everywhere. The $5 a month way is just the quick easy way

@keyboard_zombie 3 года назад

But i dont want an alexa for my hue. I want google home for my hue 😭

@eddiesenn3005 3 года назад

Look at Geeni

@JeffTiberend 3 года назад

Hey. Maybe Google will add a Zigby hub into their devices.

@unknownperson3691 3 года назад

@@JeffTiberend they’ve went and added thread to their latest device meaning it is a huge mess out there.

@jamiecooper 3 года назад

@@eddiesenn3005 already did, glad I got rid of that often non functioning crap for hue!

@jamiecooper 3 года назад

both Alexa and google work work better with Hue, than any other smart bulbs I've tried in my home! specifically because of the hue hub!

@pariscloud2907 3 года назад

If Amazon controls it all I'm out of the smart home stuff.

@gabiruman 3 года назад

to be fair it's not Amazon's fault, Google could've competed if they would've been smarter about it, in some countries (like mine) they still do compete because Amazon still doesn't sell their echo devices worldwide.

@florian5935 3 года назад

But only Amazon will bring us the real "smart" home. We should be thrilled and scared.

@jwaggonr 3 года назад

Go ahead and post all your devices for sell.

@josedearimateia2361 3 года назад

Bye bye

@Lucidchronicles 3 года назад

Amazon is Skynet

@DestinationFawked 3 года назад

RU-vid suggested this channel, not sure why, but I do find the silly skits funny and Paul's high pitched voices have caught the attention of the family. I have been using nothing but WIFI plugs but did purchase some zigbee ones on sale. I handed one to my 9 year old for his lamp and when he asked how to pair it I simply said no need the smartthings hub will automatically add it. He asked how and I was like that's how zigbee works. He then proceeded to do some air humping while yelling oooooohhhhh the zigbee. I found it amusing while the Mrs. Just rolled her eyes

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

Hahaha. I love this! 😂❤️

@nstg8 3 года назад

Internet uptime will have to get a lot better before hubs go away. I love that when my internet goes down my habitat still runs all of my automation. I came from Wink and will not be going back to an ecosystem that can just decide that I now have to pay them money every month to access my smart home system.

@parrottm76262 3 года назад

Finally, someone speaks the truth. Everyone should have seen this coming. I just had my entire security and smart home devices 'binned' as Paul has said. I'll be waiting for a few months to see if CHOIP does anything.

@jimb032 3 года назад

You mean a few years ... This isn't going away anytime soon

@EsotericArctos 3 года назад

I don't think ZigBee or Z-Wave will die. There is so much development still in ZigBee, especially on the cheap chinese device market. Aeotec, who now took over all the SmartThings hardware, have always been very heavily into Z-Wave, and so is Fibaro, Home-Seer and a few other hubs. I can't see them going away for several years yet. My advice is get what does the job for you now. If you have a z-wave hub, the Z-wave part is local. It will keep working until the electronics actually fail. Even the first gen Philips hue hub still works and can pair the latest bulbs, it is just local only. Connect it to a hub like Home Assistant, and you get all your voice assistant stuff back. Buy what works for you now. Don't worry about 10 years time

@Quentame74 3 года назад

@@jimb032 I've seen CHIP expect to be release this year, in 2021

@jimb032 3 года назад

@@Quentame74 Expected. Then adopted is another story

@geoken2 3 года назад

Nothing ever goes away if you stick to devices that can fully run locally.

@garethjones5068 3 года назад

Should definitely have called this 'Smarthome hubs are for the Choip' 😏

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

😂😂😂 Wordplay.

@jan-paulmajoor1757 3 года назад

@@paulhibbert Amazon is choipping off the heads of smarts hubs!

@bobriemersma 3 года назад

"Choip?" Sorry, I can't remember that much 7th grade French.

@MarkSmithMCS 3 года назад

Smarthome hubs are for CHOIPs. Smarthome HIBBS? ;-)

@kporourke 3 года назад

Great video, as ever Paul. Just one thing regarding your theory that Z-Wave is dead, the Ring alarm system (Ring is owned by Amazon) uses Z-Wave to communicate with the contact and motion sensors. Amazon hubs would need to avoid killing off their own Ring alarm system's functionality. Just a thought.

@JasonWasko 2 года назад

Only to force consumers to buy a new product. Worked for apple. 😕

@jennifermeier3873 3 года назад

It's nice you put UK and US affiliate links. I'm from Germany though and would love to support. You're the funniest reviewer I have ever encountered 😂

@FJgenieter 2 года назад

This aged well. 7:18 The fact of the matter. 7:26 at least the ones that matter. Nice Paul, you really are from the future.

@AmandaMeowMeow 3 года назад

Google seems to be releasing a Zigbee hub with their next generation of Nest Hub after all? Their recent FCC filing seems to indicate that.

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

Good info, thanks Amanda! I genuinely hope they're not too late. The industry needs competition.

@hometechUK 3 года назад

Yes I've seen that aswell. It had a 100 day privacy embargo so after that say April we should get more details/leaks?

@Chris173972 3 года назад

@@paulhibbert suppose that's the one thing the industry needs. If Amazon controls it that would be very bad.

@chrisfranknotts1 3 года назад

Competition drives innovation!

@27jakrabbit 3 года назад

Google included a Thread router in the Hub Max and Google Nest WiFi? And Thread is most likely going to be part of choip. Don't count them out just yet...

@jeffnewcomb601 3 года назад

We want more Hibbert! The quality of your vids are improving, but I almost forget who you are from weekend to weekend. No complaints. Carry on.

@AntonioCunningham 3 года назад

Because I'm so new to the smart home space, I haven't got a hub yet. However I'm not interested in Amazon or Google devices as I don't want microphones listening to me. My programmable heater died and I needed a way to add trimmers to its replacement. (Hard switches only) Now I've tasted home automation, I've been expanding my devices to automate as much as possible. No more leaving lights on by accident or wasted power from devices being in standby mode. (My TV won't fully turn off for example)

@AkhilVaswani 3 года назад

Oooohhh the Zigbee... *Thrusts air*

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

Oooooooooh the Zigbeeeeeeeee

@ryanyeackley3627 3 года назад

They must be pelvic thrusts for zigbee. It’s in the protocol.

@ryanyeackley3627 3 года назад

I made that comment before watching the video. I am now a life long viewer sir. As someone who designs and programs smart home for a living your videos are refreshing.

@mariogirod6195 3 года назад

For me the biggest problem about a purely Alexa based solution are the terrible light controls they have at the moments. There are only a few colors you can select from instead of the whole color range and I regularly have to problem that a routine either only change the color or only the brightness.

@elyob 3 года назад

Recently turned off my Ikea hub ... replaced with a Sonoff Zigbee bridge (flashed Tasmota). I also did the same with my Telldus hub, replaced with a Sonoff RF bridge. This means I now have fully local control, which is the biggest benefit. I seem also to be freeing up more USB power cables, which is excellent news.

@BobbyBearing 3 года назад

Hi I have an IKEA hub and a Sonoff hub, what’s the benefit of doing this? Do you have a link?

@elyob 3 года назад

@@BobbyBearing Main benefit is removing the cloud from my setup. The re-flashed Sonoff Zigbee bridge sends to my Home Assistant. I found that my HA to Ikea cloud implementation would sometimes lose its auth code and required re-setup. Now there are no future issues.

@elyob 3 года назад

Dr Zzzs has a video and a couple of others on RU-vid were also helpful getting bridge flashed. All depends if you are running HA or similar.

@truflas 3 года назад

Another great video. Either because if the informative part or the entertainment part. I can only imagine the time you spend on editing your videos and dressing up. Happy Hibbert Day 😁

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

Thanks man! About 40 hours each minimum ☺️

@truflas 3 года назад

@@paulhibbert God dam. I though it was 20h and its a lot of hours. 40h?!? My hat is of to you sir

@craigs.4302 3 года назад

Here's the thing a hub gives me?Platform agnostic support between Google Home, Alexa and Homekit at the exact same time. And Philips can't just get rid of a Hub and depend entirely on Alexa if they still wanna support Homekit for Apple iOS users. So that's not plausible and they aren't going to give up Homekit and Siri support.

@martinborgenby4047 3 года назад

I agree on mostly everything in this Video. Personally I’ve been trying to stay away from Z-wave for some time now and instead buying zigbee stuff where it’s possible. I think that hubs might be not all dead in the future but be limited to a small group of powerusers only that wants to do more stuff than you can do with your Amazon Echo or who want’s to do stuff in their own way. But these hubs will probably be comunitybased stuff like Hubitat or the Home Assistant Blue and may also be subscription-based in some way or another. I think the big battle will be between Amazon and Apple Homekit who both target the same type of customers for their smart home solutions; The big masses who wants a easy solution that does not demand that you are some kind of nerd to make it work.

@MaximusJohal 3 года назад

Corporate greed is ruining the flexibility of smart homes. There needs to be a standard.

@olavvalsvik 3 года назад

And Betamax was the better choice with regards to quality...

@kevinwhite2380 3 года назад

Actually. Betamax was not as good as VHS - There were TWO versions of beta max... the one available to the public, that was crap. And the better version (on all accounts) but only available as professional (&expensive) kit 😱 #Blue_Wizzard

@olavvalsvik 3 года назад

We had both Beta and VHS and peronally I like the Beta.

@SuspiciousAra 6 месяцев назад

Exactly this I was thinking when I saw what can I integrate outside the hubs and dongles and their protocols. What I do like by they look, are expensive and does have their limitations, while their cheaper wifi versions are way more apropriate for long term use. Do not buy your stuff around ecosystems but the other way around. Choose smart. The problem is, most people will want something to work right out the box and don't want/know to tinker with scripts and code. Welp, Hoooome Assistant! :) EDIT! while listening again your video, just bought two diff. Shelly switches to try them out. And a yeelight led strip for my Mrs. Thank you Paul!

@mrpmj00 3 года назад

Amazon Alexa is the best for home automation, it has the most skills. Echo dot 4th generation has zigbee builtin (to control my blinds, doorlock, light bulbs, etc.). Also, Google can't add a device to more than 1 room or group; example: kitchen and family room are adjacent to each other and I want the lights in both room to turn off if I say all, as well as independently turning off either room. Alexa is inexpensive so I bought 8 to equip every room with Amazon Alexa for voice control so that I can just ask 'turn off the lights' and the echo in that room knows to turn off those lights and not other lights in the house. Google app's fonts are really really really tiny for my old eyes. All 8 of my Amazon Echo devices have a clock... very convenient to tell the time or see a timer's countdown. or better sound, I have a few of my Amazon Echo dot 3 with clock output the sound via its 3.5mm headphone jack to my Denon HEOS speakers.

@mckens02 3 года назад

Happy Saturday! I love Paul Hibbert! He knows his Zigbee! Bring on the end of the hub! Trying to decide what I like more, his shiny eyes or shiny head!

@Bluebuthappy182 3 года назад

Sounds like a cogent argument Paul. The only reason i didn't but the 4th gen Amazon thingy with a build in hub was it didn't have a clock in it. That and i wasn't sure Zigbee would be around too long either with Thread/Choip coming etc.

@pchiabrera 3 года назад

I am very happy with my Sonoff Zigbee ecosystem, everything works great and my Echo 4th Grn recognizes it. With the routines created and Alexa working like a charm, this indicates that interesting changes are coming for those congested Wifi Routers. Good things to come !!

@cedricorcellet5211 3 года назад

AH AH AH God that « Luke pretend he destroyed the Death Star » made me laugh 😆😆😆

@SterlingSansing 3 года назад

They have LoRa too. As a new hardware provided building our own LoRa gateway it is very tempting to just use Amazon echo. Cheaper to put one with every unit we ship then develope and manufacture our own

@sethkazzim731 3 года назад

Perfect timing, just what I needed to know. Saved me a lot of money and time.

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

Glad to have helped man 😊

@sethkazzim731 3 года назад

@@paulhibbert Thoughts on the Apple HomePod? Never considered it but the new one looks nice.

@dave-j-k 3 года назад

Looks like i made the right decision to go all Zigbee on my Home Assistant setup :) Ooooh the Zigbee........

@minkthegreat 3 года назад

Hello Mr Hibbert Thank you for taking the time to create the videos After watching your videos I have decided to move all 68 Zigbee devices from Smartthings to Home Assistant, best thing I have ever done, it was easier to setup and add devices in Home Assistant than IKEA smart hub (piece of S**T) and easier than Smarthings I was amazed how easy it was using a Conbee 2 USB Zigbee stick and the Zigbee Home Automation The best thing is if I unplug my internet I can still control all my devices!!! no more relying on someone else server Cannot wait to watch the next video :)

@matthewbaker8307 2 года назад

I spent way too long looking for the comment that points out that Luke blew up the first Death Star which was orbiting Yavin, while the Ewoks were on the moon of Endor which had a shiel generator for the second Death Star. Looks like I have to be 'that guy'.

@fixandtests 3 года назад

I still enjoy my low-cost Broadlink setup, and the new Bestconn multi sensors are amazing.

@dikkybee 3 года назад

I sort of agree to a point but I have had my light switches for about 3 years now and they are Zigbee and I unfortunately bought the Echo with a built in Zigbee hub to find the manufacturer, while using a Zigbee protocol, did not use the Zigbee protocol in the Echo but used their own version and all the switches only hook up to their proprietary hub. I contacted the manufacturer of said switches and they told me I had to use their hub as no other Zigbee was compatible with their products. I could swap my switches but I shelled out $300 AUD for my switches and I could not return them as they were not faulty. No where in the advertisement for their products does it say it only works with their Zigbee only. But after watching your video on the Hubitat I was considering changing over until I saw the $250 AUD price tag. I am quite happy with what I have but may consider swapping if they fail.

@MrPirreE 3 года назад

My HomePod Mini wants more work so give me all that Thread stuff.

@djashjones 3 года назад

Wonder when Amazon will make Alexa a prime only service?

@catalindeluxus8545 3 года назад

i think never tbf. too much precious user data to be generated

@BeefyTV 3 года назад

😂😂😂 aw man you actually NAILED a NORTHERN Irish accent, one of the hardest to do! I'm from Northern Ireland, so it got my seal of approval 👌🏼😂😂

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

Dammit! That was not the goal! 😂

@BeefyTV 3 года назад

@@paulhibbert 😂😂

@RobAKemp 3 года назад

I’ll be keen to see how this all pans out. Luckily not to heavily invested just yet. Smart home stuff aside and more importantly, where did you get your Stormtrooper helmet from along with your other Star Wars bits and Back to the Future props from.

@GizmoTNL 3 года назад

You can't get the Echo hub with ZigBee in a lot of countries. For example in the Netherlands you can only get the simple Echo from Amazon. So Google is bigger in that respect over in the Netherlands. And Google speaks Dutch while Alexa doesn't (yet). So a lot of things depend on Amazon's strategy.

@Giruno56 3 года назад

Hubs are not dead. I know a lot of people who use smart lighting but don't have a smart speaker, and do not want one.

@bkbrown5881 3 года назад

How do you only have 140k subs? Your videos edits are epic.

@DaxsDad 2 года назад

A lot of great information told in a really interesting way, the question I still have is other than profits, why did we ever need a smart hub to begin with?, why are smart home devices so much different than TV remotes,, car fobs, or any of the other thousands of things we had that didn't require a hub‽every wifi device has a unique mac address, your laptop/phone should easily be able to do everything the hub does. Printers do far more than toggle on and off which seems like pretty much all the hub does and we never needed a hub for them to work on wifi. It all seems like such a waste created for no more reason than to create more profits. Here is device x but rather than actually just working as you thought when you bought it, you need to buy controller y, then we can upgrade either the device or controller and extort more money out of you

@NeilNatic 3 года назад

The problem for enthusiasts bis that they will never deliver the complexity we desire in Amazon or Google platforms. Node red / Webcore type automations are not likely based on everything we see and have seen from major companies.

@robert.wigley 3 года назад

And for those people there is Home Assistant. 😁

@NeilNatic 3 года назад

@@robert.wigley agreed! Will be interesting to see how that continues to do. If amazon and google simplify it so much the need will be far less than today as the hassle brings less value. I've always said google could crush ST and HA if they just made the hub and a powerful rules engine. They are great at ux and usability

@robert.wigley 3 года назад

@@NeilNatic No matter what Amazon and Google do, I can just never see there being the powerful automations that you can create in Home Assistant, as they will need to keep it simple. Unfortunately, with power comes complexity. Personally, I need the multiple triggers, conditions and ultimate flexibility you get with more complex system such as Home Assistant.

@NeilNatic 3 года назад

@@robert.wigley when I look at Webcore I feel that's digestible enough as an advanced options page for a normal user. Maybe not mode red. Make it super simple like HA normal automations then an advanced options button.

@robert.wigley 3 года назад

@@Reprint001 I agree it is more complex, but the UI does actually allow you to do simple automations now without really touching YAML at all. I have only come to HA two months ago, so have had the ability to use the UI since I started with it, but I prefer to edit the YAML directly. I haven't even tried Node Red yet, as I am happily using YAML. Each to their own. At least there's options to choose from and it does look like HA is becoming simpler to use in almost every monthly release.

@willemkossen 3 года назад

This is good. Zwave stuff will be cheaper and more available second hand. Ooohh the zwave...

@clickrick 3 года назад

Previous generations had their odd-balls going on about how they had a Phillips Laserdisc.

@jlwtrading 3 года назад

Paul, although I love your shows, I don't think that you've hit the mark on this one for the following reasons: 1. One of the key competitive advantages of HomeAssistant and Hubitat is the ability to operate locally. As more and more info gets transferred to the Amazon cloud, I predict that that this aspect of both platforms will be a key advantage over the internet based Amazon Alexa. 2. Both Home Assistant and Hubitat have a 2-3 year lead over the currently available Alexa programming ability. Their ability in this area may be compared to an elephant, while that of the Alexa is like a mouse. 3. The flexibility of dealing with multiple protocols (including wifi, zwave, etc.) and multiple vendors will be another key advantage. Most individuals who have invested in Home Automation on a serious basis have many devices from many vendors that use many different protocols. Amazon (with others) announced CHOIP in December 2019. What have they done on it since? NOTHING!!! Perhaps Zigbee will win the race, but it won't happen for many years (if at all).

@desluna1609 3 года назад

Yeah, this was or rather is only a question of when not if. The moment I invested in getting SmartHome Devices I knew I do not want to be dependent on HUBs for every brand. Once I discovered Home Assistant, I was at least somewhat at ease. But I am a Nerd anyway ^^ And in regards to Z-Wae, they have never been a compelling choice here in Germany since they cost almost double the ZigBee.

@PsychoticShine Год назад

What is cool about the Echo 4th Gen Now. Is that it has thread now. So it is a Thread Border router, Zigbee, Bluetooth, and Wifi. It is a very versatile Smart Home Hub Speaker. You can connect Bluetooth Wifi Zigbee and Matter over Thread Products to it

@BobbyBearing 3 года назад

Using an Echo for the vast majority of people certainly makes sense. It’s less confusing and now that Amazon have put zigbee into their hub more and more companies will jump onto supplying bulbs, locks, sensors, etc. Hopefully this should push prices down. I just hope it doesn’t stop competition from other speaker/hub suppliers I.e. Google

@alcopop2006 3 года назад

Things that I've invested in: SmartThings, Hive & Google... 😭

@Fly2kill1 3 года назад

SmartThings will be fine. Now it might be a subscription service eventually and that’s ok as long as it becomes better.

@AntiSane 3 года назад

@@Fly2kill1 Did we watch the same video? Go back and watch it again.

@Fly2kill1 3 года назад

@@AntiSane I watch SmartThings very close. Aeotec is rebranding all the hardware. Samsung is handling the software.

@CrypticConsole 3 года назад

@@Fly2kill1 yep

@michaeljohnson_ok 3 года назад

Samsung users are migrating to Hubitat in large numbers. Mind you, they do have issues converting all of their current devices over, but ways to do convert more SmartThings compatible devices, are still progressing. The dent in Samsung has ZERO to do with Alexa, and people who expect echo devices to "eventually" evolve enough to do what they want live on a complete different planet all together. Hub users have hubs because they are smart enough to realize, "routines" will never provide the smooth integration between devices a hub can. Also with one login and password, vs. one for each device you own.

@AdmiralBison 3 года назад

I’m sick of hubs and have no interest in Amazon’s hubs either. I got a IIFX lighting instead of Philips Hue because it requires no physical hub, you can control and manage it with either your phone/iPad or an app on the pc/Mac + no additional hardware and cleaner, minimal set up. looking for universal remote controller that can still learn and would have all the communication components and protocol all contained within the controller - Infra, Wi, Bluetooth, radio, gyroscope and act like a hub itself - can connect to a pc/Mac via usb-c for advanced configuration. Logitech harmony elite seems to be the best one so far, but it still uses a hub.

@inkpot999 3 года назад

so bridge is still required, it's just that a product from a company has put that as one of available capabilities. no reason the same bridge capabilities can't be installed on a cheaper Rpi or or CHOIP

@cjramseyer 3 года назад

Paul, I think you are right on the money. Personally, my smart home focuses entirely on WiFi devices in part because of crap like this. I don't need a bunch of "hubs" in my house. I have a smarthome hub in HA. In terms of Amazon Echo routines, while perhaps they have gotten better, they still suck. Echo routines can't handle complex conditions (someone left and has been gone for more than 5 minutes, but someone else is home). It would actually be pretty unusual (in my opinion) for real automation to not be based on a complex condition. I suspect most of us don't actually do everything on a permanent strict schedule. Thanks for the great video. Always insightful. Cheers

@vermeulengert 3 года назад

I think you are right Paul. MQTT and home assistant all the way!

@darkzine 3 года назад

This is exactly why I’m moving across to APPLE HOMEKIT Fed up with android, google and Samsung discontinuing products as soon as they don’t make £1m profits

@wesmannpaintball 3 года назад

Another great video man! Thanks for the information and entertainment lol Iv built my smart home around your channel and I feel that it has been invaluable thus far! Thanks

@jvolz283 3 года назад

Since I have an Apple TV, iPhone, and HomePods, I am starting my Smart home journey with HomeKit devices. What are your thoughts? Thank you for giving us an alternative to all the dry videos and creating VERY entertaining content!

@OrangeSamurai01 3 года назад

I’m an Apple 🍎 user as well and have been waiting to figure out what to do for my smart home journey. I hope Paul responds to your message. I’m also wondering 💭 what his thoughts are.

@EvertZwevert 3 года назад

Good job Paul! Love your vids for the humor, quality, advice and insights in smart home.

@tobyjohnson3898 3 года назад

Don't worry about slagging off google... I think I've nailed the getting here early skill!

@hexadroid6884 3 года назад

@paul Hibbert Do you think 'homey' and 'homey pro' are worth it? Its an all in one hub with zwave, zigbee etc and their own interface for routines etc. Or do you suggest investing in amazon echo/zigbee like this video suggests?

@lpsmaduk 3 года назад

no, im not cheesed off. I brought a 4gen Echo, and loving that I haven't invested in a hub yet! I do have a couple of Sonos sensors, which amazon doesn't give all the functionality ... yet... (whereas a Sonos hub might)

@thesinofthetin 3 года назад

laughs in home assistant

@The_1 3 года назад

Great video, impressive, it's been a long time since I've seen such a good video. you're fantastic continue the presentations. it's on I subscribe.

@JamesMossR33 3 года назад

Great video Paul, it just pushed me over the edge...became a Patron. Greetings from (just outside of) Ashby. Keep up the awesome work!

@KJW648 3 года назад

I think of Google as smart speaker and nothing else, it's part of my smart home. It plays music/radio, answer my questions and controls my device's via voice. What I want to know is what Tuya is up to, my smart device are controlled by there app(ZigBee hub or WiFi). These device, relies less via Google voice and more on sensors, like switched, detection, ect.. Tuya/smart life app is brilliant.Super markets like Lidl, Asda and Tesco all use Tuya.

@lelandclayton5462 3 года назад

Z-Wave isn't dead. It has it's place in the professional AV Integrator/Alarm Market.

@808GT 3 года назад

You did it! 10/10 ! Zigbee thrust, Corporate greed thrust and a new addition the CHoip thrust!

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

The trifecta! The holy trinity! 😂

@flboy77 3 года назад

Interesting video. I've had a lot of bad luck with wifi only devices due to a large area to cover, therefore poor coverage, and also every time the wifi router went out, half of the wifi devices had to be restarted. So I went with the Lutron Caseta hub for all my lighting, ceiling fans and shades and I haven't had a single hiccup since. I sure hope they don't get rid of their hub!

@OsCerna24 3 года назад

I agree with this. My home is Wifi / Google based, and I was already considering Alexa just because of the routines, but the hub integrated move made me consider Zigbee and Alexa more than ever. I will keep my Google speakers for my Google services, but my Smart House will most likely based on Alexa from now on.

@jmchez 3 года назад

Somebody should tell the smart lock manufacturers about this. They still insist on requiring an extra bridge if you want to control them remotely.

@paulgill7271 3 года назад

Thanks for another great video Paul. I have been wondering about buying a new hub as most of my smart home device's are currently WiFi. Now you have saved me from any mistake. But please never stop saying ooh the ZigBee 😀

@lukelongley7225 3 года назад

All makes complete sense and certainly the right direction. I’ve got far too many hubs and it puts people off getting into smart home stuff

@veejay420 3 года назад

It will always be "Ohhh The Zigbee!" to me!

@toddbrewer683 3 года назад

Nope, not mad rather refreshed that I didn't rush into this forray. Keep up the great work.

@dinkleberg794 3 года назад

Z-wave dead? I certainly hope not its the superior protocol in my opinion

@jvband91 3 года назад

Paul, why do you have to keep reminding me that all of my google stuff isn't as smart as Alexa, when it comes to most things. I'm in way too deep. But thank you for vids like this. I'm always on the fence of getting a hub for zigbee control, etc, and you make a compelling argument for just saving my money and continuing to invest in wifi stuff. Now if I only had the patience for Home Assistant to get everything to actually work.

@1987RaPsCaLLioN 3 года назад

140k subs! Proud of you man!! xXx

@desenvolvimentoetecnologia 3 года назад

I'm with you!! Oh the Shelly!! 😂 Oh the Shelly!! 😂

@paulhibbert 3 года назад

You'll like next week's video 😉

@davidjohnson2782 3 года назад

@@paulhibbert You're reviewing the Shelly Motion, aren't you!?

@MonstaAU 3 года назад

Needs to be OOOOHHHH YEESSSSSS SSHEEELLLLLLYYY! With air thrusting for maximum innuendo points

@desenvolvimentoetecnologia 3 года назад

@@paulhibbert Thanks! Can't wait 😛

@edwardgreenjr167 3 года назад

I purposely looked for devices that were Wi-Fi first and compatible with both Amazon and Google AIs. But over the course of the last year I have literally peppered my house in Amazon devices. Paul was spot on about Google dropping the ball and has not led me wrong yet. Now that said, I do believe Ring still runs with mostly Z-Wave plus on their security devices and their 'works with Ring' program. Seeing how the alarm base station can be considered a Z-Wave hub, and are still under the Amazon umbrella, I'm curious how that pans out in the future.

@TheMathKing 3 года назад

There is a lot of humping in these videos. Subscribed.

@Forky218 3 года назад

I am not 100% in with WiFi stuff because this is sharing the time with other devices that are connected to the same WiFi, and this reduce the performance of the other more powerful devices like the laptop or the mobile phone! I know that the ZigBee operates on the same band than the WiFi 2,4Ghz but for the wireless this signals should be considered as an interference and the WiFi is designed to overcome this! Plus AC AX WiFi are using other bands than 2,4Ghz! My humble five cents. It should be super cool that the CHIP would be designed using other bands than the wireless and very narrow channel, but I think it will work as Bluetooth or WiFi 2,4.. :(

@q8386 3 года назад

Well, well, who'd a thunk? I'm ahead of the game here instead of being a late-comer, almost entirely thanks to you Paul.

@Richard-eh8ib 3 года назад

Zigbee will be old hat once THREAD takes off. Zigbee still relies on a single hub, THREAD can have multiple “hubs” (called routers) so much more reliable as well as zigbee features such as a self healing mesh network. However it will be IP based.

@weatherlover1 3 года назад

I did not get into smart lights etc at first because of just this. I know how these things go and I didn't want to spend a lot of money and end up with a brick. We just started using smart lights because of Govee wifi that works with Alexa and they seem to be a pretty steady company. The prices are good too. I did look at Shelby but at the time they only had the white smart lights not the colored ones for the US. The more I use the smart lights the more I want to buy more. 😂They work well with Alexa too which is nice. I love your channel by the way I look forward to your videos, and you are very informative and so very funny. Keep up the good work!

@Techlifeandmore 3 года назад

Phillips hue works with HomeKit, so they’re not going to go over to the echo fourth generation or any other Amazon Zigbee device

@jerrycallahan7696 3 года назад

Phillips hue works with almost anything

@Techlifeandmore 3 года назад

Phillips hue would’nt abandon HomeKit

@ksnax 3 года назад

What about cloud reliance as a factor? No device that depends upon it to operate is truly viable where high reliability is required. CHOIP may be problematic for users with high numbers of devices, creating bandwidth bottlenecks and IP addressing limits.