I wouldn't call it " remarkable police work" I would say that the investigators put an actual effort forward. Terrible police work for the prior decade.
I could be wrong but I thought I also heard California at one point as well. Can't remember whether it was Socal or northern CA but it was near the beach. I don't know where or when I heard this, so please take it with a grain of salt because it could also just be a rumor.
Yes I have heard that also, I'm wondering how young he was when he first started. Also he probably has a lot of hidden bodies that they are probably never going to find.
I haven’t finished the video yet, but why is the daughter’s fascination with the macabre some sort of evidence for her dad’s potential crimes? People love horror movies, Halloween, and dark humor without having violent urges. Unless they are writing the yearning to kill, it’s like saying video games make people violent.
@@TheBicentennialDragonright…if my father was killing a bunch of women in my home…How would I not know…why would I not work with police…father or not…multiple women…I’d disown my father. I’d work with police, father or not. They’re weirdos. Sick people…Her art was disturbing knowing everything now. She def knows and is on it too
@aliciamadrid8524 His daughter was 13 years old at the time of Amber Costellos (the victim her hair was found on) disappearance. She was also verifiably out of town at the time of the crime. Her DNA being found in Costello’s body doesn’t implicate his daughter of a crime, but rather strengthens law enforcements case against Heuermann.
that attorney making those accusations is just so wild. imagine finding out ur father is a serial killer and then a year later getting accused of being a cannibal. many people r fans of horror it does not mean they r cannibals. i do not like horror or anything but imagine if they looked at my RU-vid history and they’re like she watched SO much law and crime indicating she was OBSESSED w murder!!! idk i feel for the family. The daughter should sue for defamation
They were in the home when the murders happened. The time lines don’t make sense. Their dna was found on all crime scenes. They were involved. Her art work explains it all.
@@PolaPoplawska no. And doubt their dna would be found at a crime scene and I doubt they’d gladly stay in a home that so many murders happened…like how would you miss that? If you want to believe that the mom and daughter are saying…they came back right after the murders…which I believe is a lie. They have already said their timelines were off…meaning they were in the house when it all took place.
@@aliciamadrid8524 Where did you find that information? None of the articles I've read have said they were home, but they have mentioned she was out of town when the Gilgo 4 were murdered. Just want to make sure.
I grew up quite literally around the block from this family in Massapequa and attended high school with Victoria Heuermann. I also went to Suffolk County Community College where I had John Ray as an adjunct professor for Business Law. He was one of the kindest and best professors I’ve ever had but always very hungry for the high profile cases. It’s devastating and shocking and so so sad that he held that press conference where he exposed Victoria like that but if what he was saying was true it makes me so sick to my stomach. She was always sort of an outcast in school and I truly cannot imagine she wasn’t abused as a child or if by some miracle she wasn’t I can’t seem to wrap my head around what it would be like to find out your father did such things. It’s all so unbelievable and surreal.
...thank you for your fair assessment. Idc for JR's antics. It's horrible that he dragged Victoria through the mud publicly, without any legal foundation. I'm not contending with your experience of him, but he showed no compassion for her when he did that.
@@dsoule4902 Ethics are in short supply these days. Not referring to JR, there will always be jackasses like him around, it's a given. But twenty years ago the press (at large) wouldn't have given his sensational antics this much weight, even if they wanted too.
So because the girl love horror stuff she’s guilty with no proof?? Now I’m terrified because I watch crime docs everyday so he must think I’m a criminal to. Like make it make sense.
@aliciamadrid8524 yeah bc transfer of hair never happens. He lives in a home w his wife who has LONG hair, not a stretch to imagine her hair getting on him or in his vehicle & therefore transferring to a victim.
The murders speak for themselves. This weirdo has swung blindly at anything and everything since he was hired and not once landed on anything of substance, yet continues to ride the coattails of the law enforcement that did and act like he had something to do with it all. It's pathetic, the man is just loud and obnoxious.
His daughter could just be an alternative goth type , the type of people that like Maralyn Manson type music. Does not mean she is a killer or helping a killer. It's a gothic image and culture, linked to a genre of music.
Where is the “John” that Shannen Gilbert saw the night ahead went missing? Where is the doctor that called and harassed her family? Where is the driver that drove Shannen that night and left her there? Those are my questions.
@@helenazalom4301 Pak was supposed to protect Shannan not laugh at her ! It took a long time for him to "look for her" Was the car his ,that was spotted by nieghbour Paks ? How do they know it wasn,t Heurmanns ? Why didnt the residents help more ?
No one is addressing the fact that she said they’re after me! Not he” but they’re after me “ that indicates that there are more people involved in this! Is any organization investigating that! I say start with the chief in charge at the time this was going on ! HOLLA!🤷🏿♂️and also “ why is he hiding behind his lawyer ? You only hide 🙈 when you’re guilty of something “ or in fear! From his arrogance he ain’t scared of his department that he ran while hindering the investigation into these murders” from all reports he was very outspoken ! But why he ain’t talking now? He was bold and had so much to say then ! What’s he silent for now? Something ain’t right “ and the authorities need to find out exactly what that is!
Remarkable police work!?!? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard!! It took them a decade and a half to even get a suspect despite people having reported someone with RH's vehicle matching his description to the police a decade ago. Most disgraceful police work ever. Who knows how many lives could have been saved and murders prevented had the police done their jobs in the '90s or the 2000s or the 2010s It's appalling and to call it amazing police work is more shocking than anything in this video.
That attorney for those families is gross. He gotta justify his fees to the families and it's been a bit quiet lately. Hey look over here at this lead lol. I would be embarrassed to be associated with him even if he was working for free. See ya
What happened to creepy James? Been very quiet about him after he was arrested in the park. He should be reprimanded for not taking this case seriously when it first came up
There is so much of my hair in my husbands truck, clothes etc… His daughter is just an odd duck, that’s it. I hope this dude will leave this family alone.
I meant burner phone there was a I terview on tv about her sister being g called by the killer and was afraid but it was traced to times square was it rex???
I have always felt like Shannon was having some kind of spiritual energy, pulling her into this area, where all of those other girls were and that she was honestly some kind of protection for these girls, and unfortunately, she succumbed to the environment. I’ve just always felt like that. I’m probably 100% wrong, but it was interesting how everything unfolded after that point. All of these woman matter. All of these woman seemed so loving and were just trying to get by in life. ❤
If Shannan was able to hold a conversation with 911 for over 20 minutes with the operator she couldn,t have been that bad. Why were Brewer and Pak laughing in the background Why didn,t they help her more and who was the third individual present ? Someone should have helped the poor girl she was terrified !
This monster chased me thru the massapequa woods years ago when i was around 16 years old...i had to run thru a lake and call my mother to rush to the entrance to get away. ill never forget his face.
So during her formative years, a young artist's output is influenced by activities happening in her neighborhood. This is weird how? If you live in the country you might draw horses...
John Ray is so disrespectful to the victims. Instead of focusing on getting justice for them he attacks heuermans daughter for having the audacity to be an artist. He's just trying to get his five minutes of fame by sensationalizing something so tragic. Shame on him.
When his house was raided they pulled a large painting of a woman's bruised face that looks like one of his victims.....I wonder if the daughter painted it. 😢
I feel so bad but the case with Shannon doesn’t convince me yet of murder. She sounds so damn high in the phone call. Maybe she was drugged? I dunno. If she had a bad trip and ran out there, like multiple witnesses in the neighborhood claim…I dunno. Maybe she did accidentally fall and hurt herself. And ironically it happened near a serial killer playground. Not saying it wasn’t murder. I just have a lot of pause with that particular case. The forensics say they couldn’t find drugs in her system but remember, her body had been in the elements a long time; any evidence of drugs would have been faded away by that point. And she was a known addict. That doesn’t mean she wasn’t killed but I just can’t fully say that I’m convinced of it.
This case is so crazy ! Idky but I really think there's more victims out there. I hope they find them all! Prayers to the victims and their loved ones 🙏🏿❤️
I totally agree. The house is tiny. Victoria worked with him. No one ever heard a phone call with him calling hookers? No one ever saw those horrid images on his computer? He was prolific with this life of his. No way they didn’t know about it.
This is insane and the fact supposedly his nickname was Peter from family guy. Who was also lowkey a serial killer, his whole family actually. Seems that nickname was more accurate than they could ever know. It’s sick and scary real life darkness, always dwarf the darkness in fiction.
Shannon went to visit Joseph Brewer @ 6:47 Brewer is heard saying, 'Yeah, he wants to talk to you, the guy wants to talk to you.' The 'guy' is not Pak. Who is the 'guy' Brewer is referring to. Was this guy Heuermann. Was Brewer on Heuermann's pay role that evening. I still say to this day, Brewer is involved somehow.
It’s a shame the sidebar added the ridiculous false claims Ray made. Its not hard to vet the facts guys. I saw VH’s REAL art pages and they absolutely have nothing of what was claimed. Anyways, imo i don’t think RH plead NG bc he doesn’t think hes the perp… ive got a feeling he just wants everyonet to know. His notes were clear and he isn’t a simpleton-just saying he knows what he had in his house (ie 400-something of electronic devices). Imagine if the Heuermanns had a pet and they found a hair from it on a body….😂
You may want to not be so adamant in your defense of the Heuermann family-crow is difficult to eat. When you insist that there is not a shred of evidence against them, you totally ignore the evidence: hair on the victims, which is just as likely to be there because she was involved as not involved; the daughter’s signed artwork when she was 15 is a monster eating a woman’s breasts, as well as internet searches of pure depravity; witnesses that implicate the wife; discrepancies in the families alibis, which includes receipts of hotel stays that don’t line up with the murders; and, but not in conclusion, both of the women totally erased all internet presence, which is highly suspicious. I think an investigator should look more carefully into this family instead of blindly “clearing” them without even an interview.
And there is no evidence that John Ray provides to say she has any involvement other than implications and telling people to use their imagination. It's shockingly reckless behavior from a lawyer, who should know how to provide evidence to support his assertions.
Shannon Gilbert was paranoid because of drugs she was on, she was not murdered by LISK, but her family for some reason refuses to accept this fact. And there is no new information that you presented on here.
