I caught hell for buying one of these over the 6.4. The person that gave me hell parked his 6.4 in the tree grove 3 years ago and I’m still driving this good ol hog.
These V10 models are the only ones I'd ever buy. The 6.4 has a very poor reputation and the 5.4 wasn't the best in these years either. These V10's have a great reputation though. I want one sometime in the future
Truth. I have a 2000 excursion with the v10 and 220k. It had 130 when I bought it. All the miles I've put on were towing 7k to 10k lbs across the country. So far all I've had to do was 2 coils and all 10 plugs.
@@5.43vI did mine when I bought it at 127k kms and it had both phazers locked out cause the car was shaking. If he didnt do timing at that point hes dumb
Wow, the 3V V-10 sounds quite a bit different than the 2V. It always was a great sounding engine, ridiculously smooth, great low end torque yet it loves to rev. I remember when Ford first came out with the V-10 in the 97 Econoline van, the engine sound was intoxicating, especially since the engine essentially was in the passenger compartment
v 10 is definitely the way to go, the diesels now will cost you thousands in repairs not to mention the initial $8,000 more for diesel and the fuel is Cheaper. get a v10 you'll have a truck to use instead of taking it to constantly get repaired at the garage with the diesel
MY 2002 FORD F350 V10 IS STILL PURRING LIKE A KITTEN. ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS THE BODY IS NOT GOING TO LAST AS LONG AS THE ENGINE. MICHIGAN WINTER SALT HAS TAKEN A TOLL. GREAT ENGINES.
OK don't laugh, 2003 F150 7700, 2v 5.4L engine, 4R100 trans, do you guys make a tune to give it a little more gusto (I tow my Jeep CJ5 occasionally, about 4,000 lb load)? Thx.
Cool vid. I've got a 97 Dodge V10. It's an 8.0L and seems to make decent power down low but my good god what a hog on fuel!!! Lol What are you getting with the Ford V10 towing?
They tow better if you learn how to manually shift that automatic trans , just taking the overdrive off when towing makes a big difference and it's better on the truck and transmission
The expedition in your year did not come with the V10 option so you are talking about something different. Unfortunately, for the pickup versions in the F-250 and F-350 models, they were only available with the 5-speed automatic transmission. You can only get the 6-speed automatic transmission option in some of the later years of the F-450 and F550 or chassis cab models. You could also get the V10 with the 6-speed in buses and other models like U-Haul trucks and box trucks.
How much does truck weight play into this versus the benefit from tuning? The tuned F250 out performed the stock F350, but it also is not carrying as much of its own weight as the F350.
No. These models would have the same transmissions in them as they were the same for these model years. If you look at the video and pay attention to the times from 0 to 60 mph as well as 0 to 70 mph, you would see that the stock truck (the 2008 F-350) actually out performed the one with he tune by getting to 60 mph about 1 second faster and to 70 mph about 4 to 5 seconds faster. So, overall, it was about 4 to 5 seconds faster from 0 to 70 MPH. Also, the stock tune shifted from 1st to 2nd at about 4750 to 4800 RPMs while the "tuned" truck shifted at about 5200 to 5250 RPMs so this is a difference of about 400 to 500 RPMs. Over the life of this engine, this could decrease the longevity of the engine forcing it to rev that high on a continuous basis. I understand these engines are made to "scream" and I have an older 2002 model that's got about 335k on it so I know these are reliable engines. But the more you force the RPMs to go up on a continuous basis, the more you are just asking for a part to break or wear out faster with even more RPMs than necessary. In the end, I don't think this was an actual improvement. I thought so years ago when I watched this video but now I question whether that is true or not.
I would like to see the difference between a stock 87 and a tuned 93. What you showed is exactly the kinda improvements I’m looking for. Curious if 93 is worthwhile.
Your going to get Barry more power and Barry better mpg with premium. It’s not the octane that matters though, at all. Octane does nothing for power. It’s because premium has no ethanol. And ethanol chemically has less emergeny that gasoline.
Premium fuel is higher octane. Octane is the fuel's resistance to pre-detonation due to increased timing. Higher octane allows for increased ignition timing which makes more power.@@devin3156
I see 36 seconds vs. 40 seconds 0-70 with the stock one being the winner. The tuned one runs several hundred RPM higher before shifting and still looses. On the CC hill pull the stocker does downshift more, but both bottom out at 55 then climb so no clear win either way. The tuned one pulls more RPM while accelerating and lower RPM on the hill climb, suspect.
I know your comment is old so you will likely not even get this notification or remember what you typed at this point (6 years old now) but, I was just coming back to this video to do a comparison for someone else that is doing a test while pulling a camper from a stop with the newer 7.3 gas engine in a 2022 model. I was thinking that the tuned vehicle was a little quicker in this video but after watching it multiple times again, you are correct based on checking the times in the video when he mashes the gas to when they reach 60 mph and then 70 mph. The stock vehicle without a tune appears to make it to 60 mph in about 24 seconds and the "tuned' vehicle was about 25 seconds to 60 mph. Then, the stock vehicle makes it to 70 mph in about 8 or 9 more seconds while the "tuned" vehicle makes it to 70 mph in about 12 to 13 seconds more so the "tuned" truck was a bit slower at about 37 to 38 seconds overall to 70 mph compared to about 32 to 33 seconds with the stock truck. That's about 4 to 5 seconds roughly. Also, I noticed the 1st to 2nd gear shift in the stock truck was at about 4750 to 4800 RPM while the "tuned" truck was about 5200 to 5250 RPM. That's a difference of about 400 to 500 RPM and although these V-10 motors are meant to "scream", reducing the RPMs over the life of the engine should considerably increase its life and/or reliability. I'm not sure the "tune" actually helped anything other than have a higher RPM shift point which may not have actually gained anything. Unless we were not able to see the MPHs accurately either time and compare properly, the loss of time doesn't indicate an improvement and would in fact show a decrease in performance. And again, if the engine RPMs are increasing as well, if this was happening on a regular basis, there's not way this could increase the longevity of this engine.
@@eldridge201 At that time I was towing a 13k lb boat with a V-10 F-350 and was looking for anything that would help it. I solved the problem by buying a 7.3 diesel Excursion 🙂 It still worked pretty hard pulling that beast, but didn't feel like it was struggling as much.
The 343RL is 11,080 dry and has a GVWR of 13,900. My caper is about the same weight and I tow with a F250 7.3. Personally, to me the V10's look faster. I only get 10mpg towing and it's freaking noisy all the time.
Chris Marx well 7.3 is an old horse and this is a new Engine so it should be more responsive along with a better transmission 7.3 was paired with the 4R100 for years 2008 to 2010 they were paired with a 5R110W
I towed a 13k lb boat with a '99 F-350 V-10, then a 2002 Excursion 7.3. The boat was just over 13' tall so the drag should be similar to your camper.. The 7.3 was considerably better with acceleration and hills. Fuel economy seems bad in the 7.3 pulling heavy, but it's about double what I got with the V-10.
Little confused here? Correct me if I'm wrong but the 1st truck was no tune? If so based on my calculations the non-tune performed better than the tuned? It took 37sec no-tune vs 41sec tuned 0-70??? Was this video to prove that a stock performs better than tuned
Actually What you are calling "Three Downshifts" in the Stock 08 is actually a Downshift from O/D (.71) to Direct (1.00), the T/C Unlocking hence the only 400rpm jump, then the downshift to 3rd (1.54). *Not really 3 Downshifts* I have a nearly identical truck (SCLB)... The 09 just did need to unlock the T/C to begin accelerating again (2500@60), it never even went to direct (3000@60)...proof that the transmission is holding gears better and the engine is likely producing a little bit more torque. The 4R70E in my 2004 F150 2V 4.6 w/3.55 gears with factory tuning (Doesn't have tow/haul) but when driving in O/D and you came to a slight hill EMPTY the T/C would unlock first, then it would downshift to Direct with T/C unlocked, and if the load stayed the same or let up slightly it would engage the T/C lock and remain in 3rd...until the load decreased. After I had FORD re-flash the PCM, it would NOT unlock the T/C until it was in process of an O/D to Direct downshift (no more T/C unlock on ant hills!) as I don't tow in O/D with that truck anyway!
Yeah i researched about the unlock feature, apparently it's to get more power out of the engine without downshifting, really weird feature that my truck does too
I have a 2001 crew cab short bed V10, just recently rebuilt the entire thing, bored .020 over and added headers and a 5 Star tune. I have the 4r100, not the torque shift trans... 14k seems like a lot of weight for the truck... What's the pin weight? I am looking at possibly buying a 5th wheel but didn't think my V10 truck would be able to handle a 14k trailer.
photokendall Mine has the 4:33 gear...the gas mileage is not good but it pulls like my 7.3L diesel did. I use the tuner from these guys in the video. It is a night and day difference the way the programmer stops the downshifting.
@@24k_purplelove52 ONLY behind the 6.BLOW Diesel 2003-2004...the F-series V8/V10 ran the 4R100 until 2005 when the 3 Valve Gas Engines came out in the Superduty...Then they got the 5R110W (Which is technically a 6-Speed, but only uses 5 Gears.)
@@24k_purplelove52 No, its actually ONE and its an "either / or" situation... When the transmission fluid temp is below -15°C or 5°F it uses an Alternate 4th gear in the 5 gear sequence. So how the 5R110W works is... The transmission is a "3 Speed Automatic with a separately Controlled built in Overdrive"...(For a total of SIX RATIOS) 1st Gear is 3.09:1 2nd Gear is First X .71 O/D Engaged 2.2:1 3rd Gear is 1.54:1 4th Gear is 3rd X .71 O/D for 1.09:1 (This is the hidden "COLD" gear, and is used instead of 5th) 5th Gear is 1.00:1 (This the "Normal" gear used.) 6th Gear is 5th X .71 for .71 So in Normal operation it shifts 1-2-3-5-6 In COLD Mode it Shifts 1-2-3-4-6. . I have been told (though I have not tried it) that *SOME* Transmission Tuners can reprogram it so it WILL use ALL six gears.
@@misters2837 seems very Intresting. My dads ford LCF, well the rear end is like a 5.36 I think. But it already hits 3k rpm at 75 mph, and it makes a squeal when you try to go above that, I'm guessing it's the governor speed limit.
I like the V10 but they just get horrible mileage. I got a 6.4 Powerstroke DPF delete MBRP straight pipe with S&B intake and a H&S Mini Max programmer. It pulls like crazy and empty it gets 18-21 mpg depending how much power you run, between 50-300 horse over stock settings. You ever have any problems with plugs and wires on your V10?
I have a 2013 Itasca 27n with the V10. Would this tuner help performance/mileage with it? I’m not sure if the “tow/haul” transmission would make any difference or not?
For towing this big camper , it could use a 4:56 gear you'd notice the 5 speed hooking up and the rpms at a more constant. I love the V10 Ford still has it
Jonathan Powers...This is the dumbest comment I have ever read...you are talking a whopping 5% difference...the 10% jump from 3.73 to 4.10 isn't really noticeable in these trucks...Now Jump from 3.73 to 4.88 (Aftermarket Gears) now that is a jump that is noticeable.
+Brian Propst If you are mostly driving unloaded then it makes since to get a gas, but if you are towing or in the mountains the diesel is the way to go. It may be more to purchase, but the benefits outweigh the cost.
MONEYPITDBG I'm still going for the gas because as a construction worker I'm going to buy a truck in less than a year looking at a V10 and there's no time for down time even when towing cost will be greater on gas but he at least I'm moving and working than at the shop loosing
