The most shocking part for me, is Cindy lacks the insight to know badmouthing your murdered daughter-in-law on TV is inappropriate! She exhibits obvious antisocial behaviors, her decision making is solely focused on herself.
@@Mrs_Small Yes I think she truly couldn't understand why noone could see or take her side. So uber- focused on disparaging the dead, she couldn't see how heartless she appeared, her own grandchildren dead at the hands of her son, her golden boy. Did she think they deserved it because they came from Shanaan ? Or was it because she had spares via her daughter ...
your compassionate approach is amazing. yes, no one is asking her not to love her son, but she needs to hold him ACCOUNTABLE for the horrors he perpetrated. there is ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION for what he did.
Totally true. Maybe her attitude toward Shanann influenced some of his very bad decisions. Fact is, she would never have liked ANY woman he married....
This one line is all you need to hear to realize how she thinks, at least at the time of this video. This did not "happen" to Chris. His actions are what "happened" to his family.
@@zsoeblack2830 I caught that when she was speaking of the trial. Steve someone was interviewing her. But I think I recognize most of all is the way she described her eldest granddaughter " quiet and conservative Just like Chris" I think Bella was five.No four year old should be classified as conservative.
Rainman has confessed to killing his pregnant wife and daughters at least 11 times by my count. Regardless of this, Crazy Cindy continues to act like she and Rainman are victims, she acts like Rainman got busted for selling dime bags of weed and should have been out of prison long ago. There’s something seriously wrong with this entire bunch.
Just a reminder that the movie rainman is about an autistic person and it’s not fair to the autistic community to call CW rainman! He is not autistic he is a monster!
@@emmaphilo4049 when he was interviewed by law enforcement he was asked if he had any aliases or nicknames. He responded that his coworkers called him Rainman.
The triple murder by her son reflects poorly on her as his mother. That's all she cares about. How it makes her look. The dad is now saying Chris had PTSD from his marriage - justification for the murders.
He didnt have PTSD from the he had PTSD thinking about the money he would lose in child support and alimony. He was thinking his little girlfriend didnt want to rent a studio and drive a old Honda. He knew that. He killed the kids so he definitely didn't want custody.
And the kids? What did they do?🤔 they acting as if he only killed Shannan🙄 they act like he didn't just suffocate and drown 2 innocent little girls in crude oil.
@@MeaghanTamara But his girlfriend who held a degree in Geology and had a steady job, did live in a studio apartment and drive a small truck..It was SW who wanted the big mansion that they could not afford. They were 3 months behind on the house and about to declare bankruptcy
How could Cindy and Ronnie not go to their son’s wedding? It’s so rude and so hurtful. Wild horses couldn’t have kept me away from my children’s weddings! But Cindy’s ego is more important than anyone else’s feelings.
More than that, Ronnie *wanted* to go and she basically forbade him. Only Chris’ grandma was capable of telling Cindy to F off and attended the wedding. I think Chris didn’t speak to his absent family for two years after that.
Make sure you have ALL the FACTS before coming to a conclusion, the one your led to believe as Gospel. Do some deep diving, and you'll see first hand the other elements in play for YEARS...
DELUSIONAL. And at the end when she said she “forgave” her son. She didn’t have much to lose. And I don’t believe she loved her grandchildren either. She’s just mean and bitter and self centered
I've tried to put myself in her shoes and wonder what I would do. I dont think I could ever not love my child, but how she degrades and slanders her daughter in law, mother of her slain grandchildren, is something I cant understand. Her only focus is her feelings and clearing his name. Sick.
Even if she can't grasp the totality of this tragedy and she wants to paint him as a victim, as if implying or insinuating that Shanann brought this upon herself, by painting her as a 'bad' person which is what she did by this interview, it's hard to feel any sort of empathy, especially if we try to grasp her position and how we would react if we were in her place. She can spend the rest of her days fighting for him but enough with the bashing of the victim. I don't see anything genuine about her. I see her as very hateful and cold and willing to blame Shanann for losing her son. Shanann was the mother to her grandchildren. Shanann was once the woman her son chose. She was a human being that did not deserve how she lost her life and her children as well. Shanann deserves respect. I personally feel Cindy needs therapy. Great video. You touched so many feelings that many have felt towards this woman. And your final message was beautiful. Thank you for this video.
Yes, thank you for your videos on the Watts case. It has helped me greatly to understand the personalities of the Watts family, thus making this entire horrible scenario more able to 'grasp' and understand.
Our biases are because Cindy watts refuses to see the reality of it. I’d like to think I am grounded in reality, my parenting reflects that. I have a realistic understanding of my children. Chris watts is a malignant narcissist. There’s a reason he is that way. It’s rooted in abuse and sick parenting. I’d like to think I’d take a harder look at myself and the people who I surround myself with if my child ever did an act like that.
Cindy is in so much denial she can't even begin to heal. She, as CWs mother, shouldve told him to do the right thing and tell the truth in the beginning.
He did confess within 48 hous I think and it had nothing to do with Cindy's hurt, in fact the day before sentencing Cindy et al, were telling him not to confess. She is a hideous example, yet perfect example of a Narcissist and proba sociopath herself. What she and her husband had read to judge by an attorney had to tell Court that in this very interview Cindy did not mean harm's she didnt YET know all the facts, yet she continues to deny that her monstrous son killed them all. She is a horror story and these people who "support " Chris are mentally and emotionally unsound. And his dumbass continues to pretend like he is getting out or that he is a prophet. And Nicole K...well not only is karma a bitch...
A narcissist often sees their children as extensions of themselves and not as separate human beings. Cindy won't emerge from her denial because the truth would make HER look bad.
Cindy is just consumed by hate for Shannan above all else. I believe Chris being the ultimate narcissist he is cultivated that in his mother for Shannan. Narcissist actually desire to play their mother against their wives.
such a relief to hear the opinions of someone who is actually qualified to make a qualified, professional assessment. Thank you for this, Joe. I saw the netflix documentary on this case and was deeply disturbed trying to make sense of how a person could murder his family. Couldn't sleep at night. What I found online was a lot of lay people with very highly charged emotional opinions, some of them actually questioning Shanann's personality, which seemed so warped and disturbing. It is a relief to me to have found your channel and assessment of this case. You have conveyed the humanity of many of the players without excusing their behaviour. Thank you for this, I appreciate your work.
Thank you for such a kind comment. Yes, it’s hard to get your head around such an atrocity. Most of us, myself included, could never really begin to understand such a cruel and senseless act. I can’t help but feel compassion for all who were impacted by one man’s actions. Incredibly sad 😔
Yeah she’s a piece of work. He is the way he is because of her, because he can do absolutely NO wrong in her eyes. It’s an inappropriate relationship to have with your son, and a mother-son dynamic like this is a recipe for disaster. I lived through this. My former partner’s mother KNEW my ex was abusing me and she JUSTIFIED it. These kind of women are a danger.
Beautiful ending!!! I hope she hears this episode, the lady needs it. I'm just glad she doesn't do any more interviews, with her way of thinking best thing is to keep her quiet.
What an amazing video this is, your last words touched me in an unimaginable way. Cindy can not be blamed for loving her son but to justify him and vilify Shannan is her greatest weakness and she will never find peace till she sees her son for what he truly is, a cold hearted murderer.
Interesting! From my own observations of narcissists, they often have a spouse with a 'flat affect' like Cindy's husband. Sometimes a flat affect is caused by having to 'shut down' due to being constantly bullied or hen-pecked, or from depression, or from the fact that the individual is a latent sociopath. Their family dynamic is a pattern I've seen before, eg: a controlling narcissist, a spouse with a flat affect, & adult children with Cluster B personality disorders - including psychopathy.
Oh you know it had to have! I guarantee she was all about telling anyone who would listen about their flaws and pretending she just felt so badly for them! You know, because she feels everything soooo deeply!🙄 Disgusting
Just as a narcissist mother sees her children as an extension of her, Cindy would have seen those children as an extension of Shanann as well, so I think you're right.
Cindy watts is the sort of mother when her son annihilated his family says ...omg son what did she do to make you do that...never blamed him still to this day believes he's innocent..she should leave her brain to science so they can try and make sense of why she acted the way she did ..
Exactly! Who does that! So how hard is it, really, for her to be in denial that her own son did, killing his children. She, Cindy, basically tried her own way of getting rid of the children, otherwise why would a Gramma give her grandchildren something that could kill them?
I’ve thought a lot about what I would do. I would still love my child but I would not be able to accept that they could have done something like this unless they were mentally ill. I know I would not be blaming the victim! Did his family even mention Shanann or their dead grandchildren at the sentencing hearing…at all??? This didn’t happen “to him” as she states….it happened to them because he murdered them all. I find it very difficult to feel any compassion for this woman!
I know you want to protect your child..but I heard one call with her telling her son to fight...please fight ...and then she had the nerve to say "we know what she was like" like what?? Chris was I think caught off guard because he said "but she was also a wonderful women we need to remember that ". Sad truly sad!!
This is the First time while watching this interview I realized how much similar Chris and his mother's facial expressions can be when they are at a denial mode or try to turn and twist the facts.
I have one son, if he were found guilty of similar crimes I would want him to tell me why, and I would need the absolute truth. If everything points to him just wanting to start afresh with his new, fancy girl (as in Watt's case) then he would be disowned and disinherited.
I would think that I’d do the same, and I might actually do that for a bit, that might be during the angry stage of grief, but at the end of the day, who knows? He’d still be my son. That’s super difficult. However, Cindy got to the forgiveness stage of her grief like a stolen Porsche through a red light. Maybe she did that to let CW know that she cared, but it might also be for the cameras in the court. She is all about appearances, what others think of HER, and while she must be (or rather should be) furious at her son for what he did to his family, in her mind she is shattered at what the world thinks of her. She is her own worst enemy at the end of the day.
That creepy Cindy is not telling the truth, CW was not crying as she told CW about the funeral, CW was giggling and laughing as she described the funeral and CW did the same thing as his weirdo sister told him about the funeral! Why don't you analyze why those Watts treat CW like he did something good, why they gush at CW like they're not related. Come on we've all watched and heard those Creepy Watts speak to CW like they're not related. His weirdo sister gushes over CW like he's a celebrity she's happy to share the same oxygen with! His dad to, he went off telling CW he loves him over and over, let's be real here we don't speak to our own children like that, it would be uncomfortable and disgusting!
I have thought about it...I would stand by my son BUT I don't think I would blame the people he killed. That is the part that is appalling. Plus her behavior before the murders is disgusting. No matter how much I didn't like his choice of a mate, I would never cut him out of my life. For all her talk of loving and supporting him no matter what? Bs. She didn't love and support him when he married someone she didn't like.
Sorry I disagree. I have 3 sons. I love them with all my heart. And if any one of them murders their wife or my grandbabies, he is dead to me. I'd be grieving the loss of my son as well.
To love our kids is that, too tick in thin, but her disregard towards SR was horrendous, brutal, inappropriate, shameful, like how he was raised didn’t made him the man he was, but SR. It was ShanAnn’s fault, Cindy is crazy.
What I would do? I would still love my child but also would despise him/her and myself as well for the rest of our lives and definitely not protecting. There is no forgiveness to a crime like that.
I would still live my son, but I would never say “ I don’t care what you did!’ He would still have to suffer the Consequences of his actions and I would never ever condone those action! But I would still care about him.
I've watched all your videos on the case this past week. As a survivor of narcissistic abuse and now am informed empath, I can safely say your videos are absolutely spot on. Cindy has clear chronic narcissist traits imo, she has obviously been pivotal in creating a family atmosphere where Chris has not learnt the correct emotional responses to survive in this world, hence commuting an abhorrent, murderous act simply to obtain new supply. Cindy is not guilty of murder but is responsible for not raising her family correctly, sadly her narcissistic tenancies mean she can't, won't accept responsibility Narcissism is a disease
Cindy is a mystery to me.. Dragged Shannan into the ground, put out nuts in front of the girl's, say's she forgives him for what he done, what about those poor girl's who's lives were massacred and nico her grandchildren, never showed any empathy or guilt, ronnie has his other grand children's names tattooed on his arm but not bella, celeste or nico that speaks volumes.How does cindy know he never killed animals, she wasn't with him 24 /7.Never went to their wedding, or cece's birthday party. Vile Vultures.
I have a hard time believing that Cindy didn't know that there was something wrong with Chris, that he lacked human emotion, yes Chris was very good at mirroring and faking social cues but the only way you don't know that as a parent is if you, yourself are self absorbed and you don't go out of your way to really know your kid true character. The fact that she's still in so much denial tells me that her relationship with her son was all about her and we know it was all about her because she didn't like shannan so she decided not to go to their wedding, often using a manipulative technique of affection withdrawal, often used by toxic parents. If she really wasn't self absorbed, she'd have supported her son even though she doesn't agree with him. And the reasons she puts forth for not liking Shannan are so superficial. I think her unwavering support for Chris now is out of guilt that she didn't parent Chris, she ignored him all of his life, even Nicole said something about the way Chris parents treated him, they just ignored him when he did something they don't like. And I say this as a mother, I'd know for sure if my kid lacks a moral compass, compassion etc. Chris is devoid of emotion, he's a true psychopath and mom is a true narcissist. And for them to even believe their son killed Shannan after she killed the kids. I'd have been like, are you serious son? That makes no sense 😂🙉 if your dog bites someone, kills someone, that falls on you as the owner, you have to put it down. As a parent, there's nothing you can do except let them go to prison, your child is clearly broken beyond repair, you failed them as a parent.🙉
I'd really like to think that as mothers, we have special insights into our children's souls and are therefore able to see whether or not they have a moral compass which is off or not, but I'm not 100% convinced that's entirely true. It's nice in theory but we aren't mindreaders.
I honestly feel some people mistake age for wisdom. It doesn’t matter how old a person is… If you’re toxic and unintelligent, you are exactly that…! no matter what life experience you have amassed over the years. Personal experience also tells me that, in some cases, a mother will usually feel that her Son’s choice of spouse will never match up to her own standards. The mother will always be right and the daughter in law will always be wrong. Believing the Wife is Not good enough for MY Son!!! What a complicated race we are…
Cindy Watts reacts the way she does because of her son and the things he told her over the years. Have you ever paid attention to the different friend interviews? Shanann's friends all have good things to say about Chris but Chris's friends immediately go to she was "controlling" or some other negative aspect of their relationship. Think about when he was in NC...He wrote that letter about if something happened to him. Imagine the things he was telling her. He has never been honest with them about what he did. He made up that lie about Shanann killing the children. To my knowledge, he's never corrected it (with regards to his mother) He just lets her continue to believe it instead of sitting her down and being honest with her. I'm sure she believes Shanann was a monster but it's because of the things HE told her and observations she made based on preconceived ideas of her. It's Chris Watt's fault she is the way she is, but it's her fault that she stays that way.
If Cindy loved her son so much why didn't she attend his wedding? Real mother's love would accept her son's choice and attend weddings, birthday parties etc. We had a difficult daughter in law and did all we could do to accept her and support our son. We love him so we accept.
She could not possibly love her son in the true sense of the word, and at the same time make his life a living hell by berating his wife and looking for ways to put a wedge between them. That is not love. Chris is such a mess that he can’t see or know what to think. He had to perform for her approval and in her mind failed miserably when he married this young woman. She calls hate love, and love hate. He grew up with this confusion, and can’t sort out his own feelings. Does that excuse him? No. He is a grown man and should have recognized that his mother was in a weird way destroying his life. But he didn’t. Now she gets up saying she loves him…but does she? I don’t see the love.
The interviewer asked his mother about his childhood. Did he play sports as a child. And she says yes, he played sports from 5 to 17. I don’t believe it. He was a shy, awkward, chubby, kid that stayed to himself. What sports did he play…baseball, basketball, football, what? I think she paints pictures of what she wants people to believe. He began working on himself, lifting weights and stuff probably because Shanann encouraged him to, and once he started looking fit he started looking around.
As soon as I saw Cindy's behavior during the trial I thought, well, there's the genesis of the problem. In answer to the question, what would I do if my son did something like that, my answer is not "I don't know". I know myself well enough to know that I would immediately start reviewing how I raised that child, and whether there were warning signs I either helped create, or turned a willfully blind eye to.
Shanann was organized, housekeeper (house), cook, loving and caring, modern and independent, she was an angel in the eyes and gaze of all women in the world (except mother Watts Cindy & Jamie the sister, the jealous , witches in Cinderella) !!! He killed Shanann pregnant while Bella watched, he killed Celeste while Belle watched ... When Bella begged him and asked, "Are you going to do the same to me?" he said "yes" this madman ... He killed Celeste next to Bella, he threw Celeste in the oil tank in front of Bella's eyes ... She must have been in an unspeakable fear and she struggled ... He should have been sentenced to death !!!
We never know what we would do in a case like this involving our own, but I absolutely adore my grand children, and it would take alot for me to forgive, I stress out if my son tells his 3 yr old daughter off!
After I went off on my son I myself would help the cops put him away if he murderd his family or anyone for that matter but murdering my grandchildren is not excuseble!
Great analysis! Do you believe she is in such denial because accepting that her son is a monster and family annihilator would circle the blame back to her and his upbringing?
@@explorer0213 Both families are victims, but that does not answer my question. In the end, Shannan may have been as controlling as Cindy wants to project her but it was ultimately Chris Watts himself the one who enabled her to be like that. There was no boundary crossed that he did not allow his wife to cross and no territory claimed that he did not allow her to claim. Cindy has projected herself in the media to be the mother in law from hell. Controlling and very critical of her daughter in law. And there is no stronger sign of narcissism than that of outcasting her own child by not attending his wedding.
Cindy quite simply is a nasty cruel woman. She showed that by her behaviour in court. Ok, we get it, she loves her son, but why on earth bang on about it in front of the victims parents? She could have told him that privately. She should have instead berated him for the sadistic killing of his family. Her and Ron are pathetic, I hope quite frankly they live miserably for the rest of their lives.
She had balls to talk to him about the funeral he the reason that they are dead..And they had fun at the wedding because Cindy wasn't there...I just hate this family...Disgusting your son is a killer Shannon was better than your son she didn't kill any body....🤪👿😈💩💩🥲
Seems like she is mad at Shannan, because she blames her for ruining her son’s life by getting herself killed. In her way of looking at things, her sweet innocent cherub of a son was not capable of doing such a thing except for that awful woman drove him to it. After all she wants to believe that he killed her only because she killed the kids. Mama’s pride and joy.
I don't think any parent could turn their back on their child no matter what. When you have kids, you are a parent for life. However, if you start to try to mitigate the horror of what they have done, you have crossed the line.
Cindy is a typical Christian mother who doesn’t practice what they preach. She was vile to her daughter in law. She didn’t seem to show much kindness toward her. I think in some ways she and Shannan were similar in that both were the decision makers in their families and had no choice but to be in control. The men around them they married didn’t seem to be very helpful in that capacity. That being said how she still can almost condone the murders of her own family members makes her a delusional and very sick woman to me. She is the worst of all!! If she demanded answers from her pos son I firmly believe we would know the full truth. I detest his mother!
Wow...unable to forgive Shannan for being an allegedly overbearing wife (Cindys opinion, so taken with a grain of salt), but totally beyond ok with forgiving her son for killing his family, including 2 little grand daughters. WTF is wrong with this woman???? Apart from everything Jo just dissected, of course. But, I reckon there's more.
This series is soooooo interesting. Jo you nailed it about the mother. I listened so closely and I found this so informative. I would love to have you as a teacher in this field. 😊 I definitely subscribed to your channel.
I don't think it's Cindy's love for her son which bothers people, but rather it's her hatred for Shanann. She may as well say "I don't blame him for killing Shanann. Good riddance to worthless trash." She almost does say that. Maybe Shanann was not the most delightful person in the world, however Cindy's hatred for her seems extreme. Her son is the monster here not Shanann.
I think any parent would have an extremely difficult time accepting that their child had committed such a horrific crime, especially a child who has never demonstrated aberrant behavior in the past. We can see this demonstrated in Scot Peterson’s parents who still won’t accept that their son could have killed his wife and unborn child. They seem to all be parents who make excuses for their children. We can also see this in Paul Flores’ parents. A pattern of cover-up.
You can't talk to your son but Shannon family has to go to thr grave to talk to them. Shannon family can't hug their family or even talk to them. Rip Shannon and babies. Cindy watts is crazy and Shannon was too good for Chris. She knew how to be a good wife and mom. Cindy was Jealous.
Absolutely. Shanann was too good for him. Poor baby. If she would have known what he was going to do to her and her precious children, she would have run the other way, let me tell you.
Any mother I would hope, would love their child unconditionally no matter what he/she has done. It doesn't mean you defend what they did, it means you love the sinner not the sin.
CW knows exactly what happened, but because she had never seen a bad side to him, she can cant process what he has done, that's my opinion, she hated poor Shannan, would she hate anyone else if they were with him! Has she ever visited the babies resting place, etc
She visited the graves, but it was surreal. His family had a photo of them taken, but it only showed their backs. I believe CW wanted a letter read there or something. When they spoke with him in prison about the graveside visit, they were laughing about CeCe's mischievous ghost playing with the tape recorder! Sitting there with CeCe's murderer, who put her little body in a tank of oil, laughing with him as if everything was honky dory. Bizarre. Reminded me of the film Psycho, for some reason.
@@lesjohn534 some very twisted minds in that family, noway would my son ever know about the resting place where his victims are placed, he needs to rot in internal hell for what he done and his family for supporting him... I hadn't seen anywhere where they had visited so I thought maybe they hadn't, ty for clearing that up.
@@Vonnie01223You're very welcome. I didn't think they'd been either because they didn't go to the funeral. But then I saw the photo on a video and heard them talk about it on the prison phone calls. Sometimes I wonder if CW didn't send them out there just to get a pic of the graves for his own sick pleasure. I find it hard to believe they would ever have gone without him sending them.
According to Shanann's family; Cindy Watts also didn't ask for a single thing in the family home to remember the grandkids by. They only asked for things that belonged to Chris, like his old trophies. Seems very strange and goes along with the theory that she cared about Chris more than the grandchildren.
It is interesting to listen to her own son’s interview. He talks about his mother not showing up at his wedding and never coming to those sports games she seemed so proud of. When asked about her , he also immediately starts talking about his sister. He said she was more like a mother figure . She asked about his feelings . I don’t think they were close at all. So where was her unconditional love when he got married or his games ( which he often says he sat in the bench) . He seemed rather sad about that. The only emotion he seemed to show, was talking about the wedding . In another video, she had her friends tell that her mother was a narcissist. She told them she had vowed not to be like her . But her son was close to the grandmother and often stayed with her.. So it was not her fault, it he was one, I believe what Shanann told people about nutgate. There were several versions .
If my son killed my precious grandson I'd never be able to look at his face again and can not fandom how I'd ever be able to forgive him and I probably feel the same way about my daughter in law as cindy did Shannan but that would not influence me where my grandchildren are concerned like it did cindy. My son would still be the monster for his actions.
How can Cindy talk about Chris’s reaction to his daughters funerals knowing that he was the one that murdered them? It makes absolutely no sense. Cindy seems to be wanting to show that Chris was sad and tearful. She never acknowledges that he created this entire situation.
If Cindy had truly loved & adored Shanann, I wonder if Chris would've never killed Shanann? I definitely believe Cindyy hatred for Shanann made his decision to kill Shanann easier. It certainly wasn't a deterrent😔💔
If she loved her son so much why did she refuse to attend his wedding. Why didn’t she support his choice of wife even if she didn’t like her. Cindy’s love and support was conditional. If Chris did as she wished then she gave him love, if he didn’t she withdrew it. Chris said himself that his parents ignored him if he didn’t do as they wanted. This was evident in their visiting him and their grandchildren only twice a year. This was his punishment for going against their wishes. Cindy lamenting the fact that she can’t see her son now because he’s in prison seems ironic considering she chose not to visit him when he was free. I have no issue in supporting your child and loving them despite the fact they did something awful. My issue with Cindy Watts is that she is only supporting her son now because it affects her reputation. Her main issue is how this reflects on her. She has never once voiced that what her son did was heinous or held him accountable. But even in death by the hand of her own son, she is still blaming Shanann. Also she barely mentions or shows any empathy for what her innocent precious grandchildren went through!
This is an excellent point: "Cindy lamenting the fact that she can’t see her son now because he’s in prison seems ironic considering she chose not to visit him when he was free"!
